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61-79-list Digest Fri, 29 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 268

In This Issue:
radius arm/axle bushing issue
Ford Lightning
Re: Ford Lightning
Late 70's F-Series FOR SALE
Re: 300 PCV question
Metal Bits in my oil pan
Column needs rebuilt
Ford V10
Found source: Metal Bits in Pan
Re: Ford V10
Re: 300 PCV question
Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings
steering
Re: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s)
Re: Ford V-8 Engine Workshop
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: 300 PCV question
Re: Ad 588147
Re: buy it?
Re: Metal Bits in my oil pan
Re: Ad 588147
Re: life is too short....
Re: Ford V-8 Engine Workshop
Re: Ford V-8 Engine Workshop/Obsolete Engine Textbook
Re: Ford V10
Re: Late 70's F-Series FOR SALE

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:56:27 -0500
Subject: Re: life is too short....
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Still in good form I see....:-)  Thanks for the support good buddy but I'm
> just fooling around.  I would rather have a little fun than get too serious,
> that's what this list is to me.....a fun place to be :-)

Thank God for both of you and the rest of the list, too. I think I would go
insane without it. Maybe it's too late....

Have a great weekend,

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:02:48 -0500
From: Bruce Montcombroux <montcom BrandonU.CA>
Subject: radius arm/axle bushing issue

Thanks for all the input on the radius arm/axle bushing issue.

ďsince you will be that far into the project you might as well
get the drop down brackets in there now alsoĒ from Don Grossman

Yeah it would be nice to do it all at once but at 275$ CDN for 3* drops from
Superlift.. they will have to wait till after the new tires. I have 4* axle
bushings so itís a good start at returning the castor to 0*. I noticed that
the rivets at the top of the bracket are behind the radius arm bolt. Once
the front end is out I think Iíll drill those rivets out for the future
installation of the brackets. Going to be a nice and noisy weekend..

Once again thanks..

Bruce
65 Merc I6
76 4x4 390




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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:19:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee <danlee_58 yahoo.com>
Subject: Ford Lightning

I read the recent discussion about Superchargers and
the Ford Lightning and I would like to know what time
a factory setup Ford Lightning would turn in a quarter
mile?

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:50:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Ford Lightning



>I read the recent discussion about Superchargers and
>the Ford Lightning and I would like to know what time
>a factory setup Ford Lightning would turn in a quarter
>mile?
>

Depends what year you're talkin ... check out www.nloc.org and you can probably
find all the specs.  Off the top of my head I'm thinkin the old ones ran around
the mid to high 15's in the quarter (they could turn too though) ... the new
(99+) are quite a bit under that, I've heard as low as 13.6 I think and that
was mostly stock if not completely ... that super really wakes them up ... but
I think the new ones are saddled with 3.27 or 3.55 gears which really hurts
them in stock form ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:48:07 -0400
From: Tony Marino <redneck raex.com>
Subject: Late 70's F-Series FOR SALE

Hey Eric (and anybody else)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=443881210&r=0&t=0

The auction is over- tons of e-mails but no takers--  Anyone on the list
want to buy my old' gal?

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com
Akron, Ohio



At 11:12 9/29/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Ok folks.  I figured I'd ask a question and see if anyone can help me out
>here.  I'm to the point in my bronco rebuild where I've come to the
>realization that I won't get it done before winter hits.  This is a
>problem since I need to use my Bronco as a winter driver.  My mustang
>doesn't do snow or ice.  :-)  I'm looking for a later 70's F-series 4x4 to
>use this winter.  The way I figure it I've got enough spare Ford parts for
>this vintage that if something does go wrong I might already have what I
>need.  Ideally I'd like to find a pickup with a wrecked front-end since
>I've got so many spare front body parts laying around it'd be pretty easy
>to fix one up.  So now on with my questions.
>
>1. When did Ford stop putting the FE's in the 70's F-series pickups?  Or I
>guess a better question would be when did they start putting the 351M/400
>in them?  I'd like to get a pickup with either a 351/400 or a 460 since
>the 351M is what I'm already familiar with.  (Is that heresy on this list
>to not want an FE?)  I know that '78 and '79's had these engines but what
>about '76 or '77 models?  I figure if its a complete POS then I could at
>least rebuild the motor and use it for my Bronco at some point.  (Everyone
>needs a disposable vehicle to work on don't they?)
>
>2. Does my theory sound reasonable?  I don't want to spend more than $3000
>for this since I'm not sure I'll be keeping this very long.  (At least
>that's what I'm telling my wife...)  :-)
>
>3. Does anyone have any suggestions for where to look for such a beast?
>I've been looking in the local papers, traversed just about every internet
>classified ad site and I've come up with exactly zilch.  I've got email
>updates at at least three different sites to keep an eye out for what I
>want.
>
>Thanks,
>Eric Finn
>'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project Still in Progress!)
>'95 Mustang GT "Beauty"
>'98 Honda Shadow 750 ACE
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:55:07 GMT
Subject: Re: 300 PCV question



>Dumb question perhaps, but...
>
>The PCV valve is supposed to allow air to pass out of the valve cover
>but not back in, right?

Right, the filler hole lets the air in on the other valve cover ...

>
>My '78 300 had a cheesy aftermarket air cleaner on it from the previous
>owner and no hose on the oil filler vent tube.  I have since installed a
>stock 300 airbox but still need to do something about the filler vent.

Its supposed to go over to the airbox, there should just be a nipple on there
for a piece of hose ... at least that's the way the older ones are, not sure
when they changed to the filters and such for those.  My 74 didn't have any
filtering mechanisms on it, just pulls air from the filter housing OUTSIDE the
filter itself ... I keep thinking I should buy one of those aftermarket filters
to stick over it, but they came without them for so many years I"m not sure
how necessary it is ...

>What do people do when they install an aftermarket carb and air
>filter?  Is there some kind of aftermarket PCV system that doesn't
>need to be routed back into the intake?
>

The PCV should be routed to the base of the carb or carb baseplate, if your
baseplate didn't come with one you might be able to pick one up and drill a
hole for one ... I've seen that done with phenolic spacers ... a couple of notches
so there's a vaccuum and it works just like stock ... the other part goes to
the airfilter, most airfilters come with the pieces to add the vent I think,
I know my K&N kit for a SBC came with the pieces (I just needed the lid and
the filter, the SBC parts were all they had in stock I swear!)

>Like I said, dumb question, but ya gotta start somewhere.
>

As someone said before, if you don't know the answer, its not a dumb question
...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:49:42 -0400
From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Metal Bits in my oil pan

First off, let me state I did NOT Slick 50 the Ford F-150.  Coincidence
that this happened, but with my previous post, I figured I mention that up
front, so everyone didn't jump on and say, "See, we told you so."

I was driving home yesterday, and my truck all of a sudden just quit.  Two
years ago I was having trouble with the valve stem seal setting stuck in
the oil pump, so I figured it quit because the distributor shear pin
sheared.  So I had my neighbor tow it back to my house with his 82 Ford
(300, 4 spd OD.)  I just now took off the oil pan expecting to see some
valve stem seals.  Well, I didn't.  I see metal chunks, that look like they
all come from the same thing that disintegrated.  However, I can't figure
out what they are.    Too small to be cam bearing or main bearing.   If I
piece them together, they create a circle with holes every 90 degrees , its
about 3/4-1" around if I piece it together.  I'm going to go outside and
take off the valve covers next.

Fortunately with the lift I have I can just crawl under the truck and
unbolt the oil pan and it slides right out.  The air racket doesn't hurt
either.

George Selby
78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd
86 Nissan 300ZX
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:50:31 -0500
From: Doss Halsey <halsey isl-inc.com>
Subject: Column needs rebuilt

Marty,

>I've noticed in the past couple months that my column shaft had some play in
>it.

Piece of cake. When you pull the steering shaft out of the center, it will
all be evident. The bearings just push in place in the column, top and
bottom. The retainer is a tapered plastic collar which slides down the
shaft and into the center part of the bearing. Yes, get two bearings and (I
think) two retainers. The bottom of the assembly is held in place by the
clamp. The top I think has a couple of screws holding a flange of sorts.

>  It had manual steering, but in my
>conversion to power steering, I just swapped the center rod, so the outer
>column is the original manual steering one - there all the same thought,
>right?

Yes, the bearing system in the two columns are the same. When you converted
to power steering did you change out the firewall mount at the base of the
column to the power steering version? They are different you know. The old
(manual steering) mounting flange will put too much pressure on the column
when used with the power steering box. The result will likely be that the
bearings in the steering column won't last long.

Doss Halsey
'68 F250 Camper Special
'72 F250 Camper Special




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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:07:21 -0400
From: Tony Marino <redneck raex.com>
Subject: Ford V10

You know, I'm very discouraged to hear this;

I just went out a week and a half ago and ordered a 2001 Regular cab F-250
4x4 Superduty with a V10 and a 5 speed.   Heavy duty everything, with 3.73
ratio gears.   I dropped 26K of smack down on it and it should arrive
sometime in the next three weeks as they are building it for me.

I have NEVER driven, nor rode in a V10. The way I looked at it, the 5.4
isn't enough motor for hauling anything I haul, and the Diesel is awesome
(trust me, have a friend with a F-350 4x4 with a powerstroke) but for my
short, constant, stop and go, turn on/turn off type of driving, I figured
I'd nuke the diesel.  (plus I can't really afford the extra cost)

I've been trying to find as much information on the V10 as I can, but the
one thing I want to hear from is the people who drive them!  AND USE
THEM!   I'm probably one of the biggest 300 fans,  I own a ton of them, hop
them up, and love the low end grunt they give me-- I've heard these V10's
don't have that, but produce only mid-range power.   I also have a 390 that
smokes in a '76 F-250 4x4, and it just rock'n'roll's all over the place.

How is the V10 going to stack up in your opinions?  Tell me why, not just
reply with "it's crap" or "it's good".   Am I going to be happy with it
doing what I maily will do with it?  (empty runnin') and the occasional
haul of about 7000 lbs to Tennessee and back?   I know mileage sucks, but I
don't really care about that.

Thanks guys-

(and at the pulls last year, they were at least beating the dodge V10's!)

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com


><< I'm positive it will out pull the stock Ford V10s I saw
>at the pull this year ... what a bunch of dogs  :-(
>( and , no , they did not run out of traction ... )
>
>  >>
>
>I had the pleasure of driving my dads friends brand new F-350 with the V-10.
>I was not impressed at all.  It had all the pick up of an old wore out 351m.
>How Ford could ever consider that as a replacement for the 460 is beyond me.
>Dont get me wrong, its a neat motor, but all in all, it was noisy, weak in
>the knees, and got worse mileage tham Tweety's 460.
>
>Darrell & Tweety


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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:24:58 -0400
From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Found source: Metal Bits in Pan

The distributor drive dear didn't come out with the distributor, but I saw
it next to the cam gear, however when I fished it out it was missing the
lower portion (where the shear pin goes, that was the 4 holes 90 degrees
apart) and 2 teeth.  The shear pin only sheared on one side, and the drive
gear exploded on the other, that was all the metal in the pan.

However, this was all post-oil pump lockup, not the cause.  I disassembled
the oil pump, and sure enough there was a piece of black plastic about 1/4"
by 1/4", slightly curled.  My suspect:  The valve stem seals, as they are
hard black plastic, slightly curled.

Now my question:  I seem to remember someone finding rubber (instead of
hard plastic) valve stem seals for the 400.  Anyone remember where I can
get some of these?

The good news is my pistons, cylinder walls, timing chain and what I can
see of the bearings (No burned rod ends) all look good.

George Selby
78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd
86 Nissan 300ZX
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:36:47 -0700
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: Ford V10

Hi Tony ,

I'll respond since I started this V10 vs I6 discussion ...

A farmer friend of mine owns one ... also was one of the
V10s we joked about after the pulls ...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ntpapull.com/FREEPORTPICTURES.htm

(third row , first truck )

The main problem with the truck for the pulls is the gears are wrong for
max grunt. For everyday driving and pulling farm wagons , he likes it.
Smooth running , can not even tell it is running from inside.
Someone else mentioned that the V10 they heard was noisy . I wonder what
is normal , noisy or quiet .

Slip a set of 4.56 gears and she'd run. The Chivy that won the class was
owned by the guy that now owns the V10 FORD. He came from a long line of
Chivy owners.


Hopefully someone will bring out some beef-up parts for the V10.
Only the govt. regulations keep the V10 from going better (and
we all know what the govt. wants to do for us SUV/truck owners  :-)  ).

I'd rather have a 300 I6 , but rathers do not count when buying new.
Don't compare the new V10 to your I6 and 390 , compare it to whatever
else is on the market and you'll not be disappointed.

dave Prasse

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From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: 300 PCV question
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:45:20 -0700

   The 3/8" fitting at the base of the carb near the rear passenger side is
for your PCV system. A hose (rated for use with fuel) should lead from this
fitting to a valve cover cap that has a PCV valve installed into the cap.

   Your other valve cover cap should have a 5/8" fitting with hose leading
to your air cleaner. If an aftermarket air cleaner does not have a 5/8"
fitting, then it probably has a knockout that will enable one to be
installed.


Michael
69 F250 390 4V, T18, 3.54 LS
69 F250 390 4V, C6, 4.11
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> The PCV valve is supposed to allow air to pass out of the valve cover
> but not back in, right?
>
> --sean



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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:45:27 EDT
Subject: Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings

I'm with Gary. No expert but I got my '79 Bronco in '84 with 52k miles on it.
It was here just last summer that I had to replace the Radius rod bushings
(at about 160k miles). It's had bolts in it since I got it. I just assume
it's had them since factory as I doubt it needed work in the first 52k of
it's like.

I could be wrong. in general, but that's what I see on mine.

George M in Fl.




In a message dated 9/28/2000 10:26:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gpeters3 lni.net writes:

<< Maybe this is so common because it's the first mod any one makes?  Heard a
lot of comments from others that they found bolts in theirs?

Mine "had the appearance" of factory installation so I assumed......I know,
I know........

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> Gary wrote:
> >
> > AFAIK the 78's came with bolted brackets.
>
>  They did??, never seen factory bolted brackets (on any of my 6, 78/79
> broncs

======= >>

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From: "Don Richey" <djrdon sisna.com>
Subject: steering
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:00:52 -0700


the colume shifter on my '79 ford broke off and I tore-down the steering-wheel but still cannot get to the shifter. Can anyone tell me how it comes out ? Thanks









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From: "Dave Resch" <Dave.Resch sybase.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:10:13 -0600
Subject: Re: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s)

>From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
>
>Or I guess a better question would be when
>did they start putting the 351M/400 in them?

Yo Eric:

Ford started using the 351M/400 engine in F-trucks at the beginning of the 1977
model year.  Early 1977's still had the narrower frame and taller 4x4 suspension
that was used from 1967-1977.  Sometime during the 1977 model year (some poeple
refer to them as '77 and a half), Ford switched to the wider frame (and lower
suspension on 4x4s) that was used through the 1979 model year.

For compatibility w/ your Bronco, you might want to avoid the narrow frame early
'77s and look for the later '77s and '78-'79s.

Dave R (M-block devotee)



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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:51:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Ford V-8 Engine Workshop

The V-8 Engine Workshp was pulled by its owner Bill Lewis.  He told me about
a year ago that it was consuming too much time.  He indicated that he might
sell the site, but he hasn't given any further indication on that issue.

Thom
1967 F-Series Registry
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

>What ever happened to the Ford V8 Engine Workshop at www.wrljet.com?  Does
>  it have a new address?  I hope we can still use it.  It's a very usefull
>  site.
>

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:32:04 -0400
From: bill poudrier <poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

Fortunately you can buy a system from Hooker for $129.95 from
PAW page 1078 1998 catalog(orange color).  They have both
manifold back Hooker PN 16661 and header back 16561.  Both pipes
run down the right side of the truck.

I have the same setup on my 1979 F150 2WD w/glasspacks and it is
great.  Unfortunately the system is falling apart, many moons old.
Hooker says they only make systems for 4WD.  What is the difference?
I would think 4WD would be harder to install on than 2WD.  Should I
take the plunge and buy the 4WD system and see if it fits?
Once I take the old system off I am committed.

Bill


At 05:43 PM 9/24/00 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Hello list, Can anyone give me some insight into dual exhausts on a '79
f150 4x4 351M 4sp dual tanks. I want to keep my stock manifolds for now. Is
there anyway to run the exhaust down both sides or would I have to run both
down the ditch side. If I do then would it better to exit both on the same
side or run another pipe over at the back end. It seems like this would
make one pipe run a heck of a lot longer than the other. If I ran a
crossover pipe would this make it not matter.  Thanks.
>
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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 300 PCV question
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:30:11 -0700

There is no real differnce between the two systems, they both use ambient
air pressure at the inlet and PVC at the out let to the crank case.  Under
normal operation there is little air flowing throuth it so it doesn't need
much filtering.  The typical system has a filter/filler cap assy for the
inlet but many had a hose from the filler cap to the air cleaner but inside
the air cleaner housing there is a small filter element covering the hole
the hose goes to so this is also filtered air :-)

On most old engines this little filter is full of oil due to blow by over
powering the PVC system and oil backing up through the inlet hose to the
filter or a failed PVC valve which has the same effect.

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> when they changed to the filters and such for those.  My 74 didn't have
any
> filtering mechanisms on it, just pulls air from the filter housing OUTSIDE
the
> filter itself


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From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:38:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Ad 588147

In a message dated 9/28/2000 6:42:33 AM EST, flash1 alltel.net writes:

<< here is a link to a bunch of truck shop manuals if anyone needs or wants
them
gordon

 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ep.com/js/mi/c0/n0/588147.html
 >>

       Your address doesn't seem to work . Are you sure of the address ??
I'll try again...

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: buy it?
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:39:07 -0700

Whether or not it's a good deal depends on your needs, mechanical aptitude,
time and funds in that order.  If you can fix it yourself and have a little
spare time to do it and a place to work on it then, IMHO it's a steal :-)
If it were 4x4 it would be a crime to buy it for that price.....

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> I am considering the purchase of a '79 F-250 supercab (2 wd, 460, AT)
> for $1500.


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Metal Bits in my oil pan
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:40:18 -0700

George, you have a lift too? :-)

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> Fortunately with the lift I have I can just crawl under the truck and
> unbolt the oil pan and it slides right out.  The air racket doesn't hurt
> either.
>
> George Selby



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Ad 588147
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:06:43 -0400

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ep.com/js/mi/c0/n0/588147.html
>   >>
>
>         Your address doesn't seem to work . Are you sure of the address ??
> I'll try again...
> =============================================================
YEP i just tried it and it works for me
gordon



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: life is too short....
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:32:25 -0400

>     If this is hard feelings over past post, please get over it. You are
> taking things too personally. There is no room on this list for insults
> from little egos with hurt feelings.
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i have no idea what your speaking of really i dont pay much attention myself
to Who posts What
i have better things to do than that
if you have taken something yourself personally you should get over it
yourself
gordon



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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:25:21 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Ford V-8 Engine Workshop

At 06:51 PM 9/29/00, you wrote:
>The V-8 Engine Workshp was pulled by its owner Bill Lewis.  He told me about
>a year ago that it was consuming too much time.  He indicated that he might
>sell the site, but he hasn't given any further indication on that issue.
>
>Thom
>1967 F-Series Registry
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee


I have full transcripts of the pages thanks to a couple of
people.  I hope to get Bill's permission to publish them
here.

Ken Payne




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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:32:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Ford V-8 Engine Workshop/Obsolete Engine Textbook

He is quite "protective" of the content and actively enforcing his copyright
to the pages.  Various articles had been posted here and there and I
*believe* were pulled upon his request.  I do hope you do get his permission
as it was a great resource.

    There is another nice resource I meant to mention at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fomoco.com
That is the Obsolete Engines Textbook.  Nice glossary of terms and the like.

Thom
1967 F-Series Registry
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

Ken spelled out:

> I have full transcripts of the pages thanks to a couple of
>  people.  I hope to get Bill's permission to publish them
>  here.

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:40:57 EDT
Subject: Re: Ford V10

Well Tony you have a few things goin for you, mainly its the F-250 and not
the 350 I drove.  Also his was a crew cab.  The cut in weight should help out
dramatically.  What you'll see with this motor is it will do everything you
want it too, but it doesn't supply any of the felt horsepower other motor
have.  I should have clarified this.  I had not trouble with driving on the
freeway, passing or anything, it just didn't have the seat of the pants smile
factor you think you get from a V-10.  It will just about be the smoothest
running engine you've ever seen, but oddly it sounds like a Honda.  Its just
to hard to classify it if you know what Im sayin.  Im sure you'll be happy
with it.  Its just not the 460 replacement ford made it out to be.  And I am
spoiled that way, having my own 460, dads van having a 460, a few of my old
work trucks havin 460s.  You just get used to the feel of the 460, and
nothing else compares.  Ive been driving my Cleveland for a month now, and Im
just starting to see that it really is a powerful motor compared to a lot of
stuff, but I kept comparing it to a 460, and you just cant do that.  Good
luck with your new truck, and when you go play, let us know how it performs,
I'm curious about its offroad potential.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: Late 70's F-Series FOR SALE
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:15:05 -0500

Ok, if I lived near you, you would have 2,300 dollars in your pocket and I
would have a '78 F150 =) That's a good looking truck!

-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tony Marino
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 3:48 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Late 70's F-Series FOR SALE


Hey Eric (and anybody else)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=443881210&
r=0&t=0

The auction is over- tons of e-mails but no takers--  Anyone on the list
want to buy my old' gal?

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com
Akron, Ohio



At 11:12 9/29/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Ok folks.  I figured I'd ask a question and see if anyone can help me out
>here.  I'm to the point in my bronco rebuild where I've come to the
>realization that I won't get it done before winter hits.  This is a
>problem since I need to use my Bronco as a winter driver.  My mustang
>doesn't do snow or ice.  :-)  I'm looking for a later 70's F-series 4x4 to
>use this winter.  The way I figure it I've got enough spare Ford parts for
>this vintage that if something does go wrong I might already have what I
>need.  Ideally I'd like to find a pickup with a wrecked front-end since
>I've got so many spare front body parts laying around it'd be pretty easy
>to fix one up.  So now on with my questions.
>
>1. When did Ford stop putting the FE's in the 70's F-series pickups?  Or I
>guess a better question would be when did they start putting the 351M/400
>in them?  I'd like to get a pickup with either a 351/400 or a 460 since
>the 351M is what I'm already familiar with.  (Is that heresy on this list
>to not want an FE?)  I know that '78 and '79's had these engines but what
>about '76 or '77 models?  I figure if its a complete POS then I could at
>least rebuild the motor and use it for my Bronco at some point.  (Everyone
>needs a disposable vehicle to work on don't they?)
>
>2. Does my theory sound reasonable?  I don't want to spend more than $3000
>for this since I'm not sure I'll be keeping this very long.  (At least
>that's what I'm telling my wife...)  :-)
>
>3. Does anyone have any suggestions for where to look for such a beast?
>I've been looking in the local papers, traversed just about every internet
>classified ad site and I've come up with exactly zilch.  I've got email
>updates at at least three different sites to keep an eye out for what I
>want.
>
>Thanks,
>Eric Finn
>'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project Still in Progress!)
>'95 Mustang GT "Beauty"
>'98 Honda Shadow 750 ACE
>Personal Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/cgi-bin/sf.cgi?uid=default&vr2=1&ID=788
>
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