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61-79-list Digest Thu, 28 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 267

In This Issue:
Re: Off topic infor needed
Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Re: life is too short.... I need diesel fuel filters
Re: life is too short.... I need diesel fuel filters
Re: life is too short....
Re: life is too short....
Re: Off topic infor needed
Re: Slick 50
Re: life is too short.... I need diesel fuel
Re: Turbo Lubers
460 Hedman Headers
D0VE heads
Re: Turbo vs. Supercharged
Re: life is too short....
Re: 383's, 396'sm and V10's
column needs rebuilt
Re: column needs rebuilt
Re: 460 Hedman Headers
Re: Slick 50
Re: Turbo vs. Supercharged
buy it?
Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s)
Ford engine workshop
Re: life is too short....
300 PCV question
Re: life is too short....

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Off topic infor needed
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:10:50 -0400

there was a  small article on that in one of my many magazines  months ago.I
don't remember which  one it was.It would take me months to find it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Azie L. Magnusson <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:52 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Off topic infor needed


>
>Some time back there was something posted concerning engines that
>had rotating shafts with holes in it "something on the ballvalve principle"
>in lieu of the valve trains we know about and are familiar with.
>There was a WWW site posted and I looked and read this with much
>interest, but failed to make notes and save the data.
>Would someone in the know please post that site again???
>
>Azie Magnusson
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:53:50 EDT
Subject: Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize

In a message dated 9/28/2000 11:33:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
gselby4x4 earthlink.net writes:


> I had an Isuzu 4x4 truck.  I purchased it with 20k miles.  At the first oil
> change, I added Slick 50.  About 10k miles later (2 oil changes) I removed
> the oil, put on a new filter, started up the truck, and walked away for
> about 10 minutes with the truck running.

I really wouldnt put this on the slick 50.  My first car was a 68 Galaxie
Ranch Wagon.  My grandpa bought it new in 68, and put 220k miles on it before
he passed.  I got the car, and on the very first oil change, I drove off
spewing oil.  The old fliter gasket stayed on the block, and being a teenager
in a hurry, I didnt check anything, just started up and drove away.  After
100 ft, the oil light started flashing, then went solid.  I drove it the 5
miles home, not knowing any better, and asked dad to come look at it.  We
found the problem, fixed it, and after refilling it with oil, went on to
drive it for another year or so before I broke a piston racing out on the
hwy.  This car never got synthetic, but did get regular service with
Valvoline.  All those commercials where they drain the oil is phooey.  After
all its not the lack of oil so much as the lack of cooling that causes a
seize right?  Maybe Im goofy, I dunno, My brain is tired, Just finished a
motor today, and ended up takin 12 hrs to stab.  Have a good night all

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: life is too short.... I need diesel fuel filters
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:03:54 -0700


> Powerstroke fuel filters?  (Is this better :^) )
You can get fuel filters for the PSD from any parts store.
Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD
Happiness is a handful of warm deer guts


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From: "Deacon" <deconblu ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: life is too short.... I need diesel fuel filters
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 04:43:35 -0700

From: "Dale Frenz"
> Some of us don't want/need a
> recap of the last four lengthy thoughts on an idea, plus it just loads
up
> the list with spam.

When trimming replies, it's ok to keep a portion of the post that your
replying to, so people know what it is your commenting on. Untrimmed
post is just annoying, not spam. Spam is unwanted advertising and a
totally different kind of annoyance. 8]

> On another note, can anybody suggest the best (cheapest) place to get
> Powerstroke fuel filters?

There's a truck parts store here in Ontario CA. that carries stuff like
that cheaper than Dealerships. Check out the Yellow Pages for one near
you. It's also a good place to pick up polish, solvents and other items
in large containers at a good price. Buying polish to do a tractor
trailer from an auto parts store would cost up the ying yang.

Later!

Deacon

deconblu ford-trucks.com
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From: "Deacon" <deconblu ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: life is too short....
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 04:55:51 -0700

From: "Gary"
> You'se guys need to get thicker skin......I happen to know more about
> everything than you'se guys (just ask me) so if you don't want to
listen
> then go take a fly........

> (can't wait to see who takes this seriously, bet I already know the
> names....:-))  There is a serious message here, can you find it?

I found the serious message here Gary. You believe this to be true!
<snicker><snicker>

Those of us that know you Gary, know you don't know everything. You just
have an answer for everything. 8-]

Later!

Deacon

deconblu ford-trucks.com
deconblu earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: life is too short....
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:08:41 -0400

I happen to know more about
> > everything than you'se guys
=====================================================
now theres a fella that i would like to buy for what he is worth and sell
him for what he thinks he is worth
gordon



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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:51:32 -0500
From: Dwight Comfort <dcomfort tic.bisman.com>
Subject: Re: Off topic infor needed

>From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
>Subject: Off topic infor needed
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:41:42 -0500
>
>
>Some time back there was something posted concerning engines that
>had rotating shafts with holes in it "something on the ballvalve
principle"
>in lieu of the valve trains we know about and are familiar with.
>There was a WWW site posted and I looked and read this with much
>interest, but failed to make notes and save the data.
>Would someone in the know please post that site again???
>
>Azie Magnusson
>Ardmore, Al.
>
Azie, here is the site, I bookmarked it.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fbody.com/coates/

Dwight Comfort
'75 F250 Ranger SC 460 4V 2wd


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From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:18:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Slick 50

just to throw in some interesting facts:

 I'm not a spokesman for Slick 50 or anything. I run a 231 Buick
powered Suzuki Samurai rock crawler all over the country. 4 years ago I
converted a GM axial A/C compressor to use as a air compressor for
airtools and inflating tires. With no freon or oil in the system I
started looking for a way to keep the compressor  lubed without adding
oil to the lines. Four Wheeler  mag responded to a tech question I had
written in by suggesting I run some type of "oil additive" (slick 50,
duralube etc..) through the compressor on occasion and run the
compressor DRY!!!! when in real usage on the trails. I took their
advice and run Slick 50 through the compressor every 6 months or so
depending on usage.
 After 4 seasons of hard usage and abuse the compressor still works
flawless. Filling the air tank, running an impact wrench, reseating the
bead on a 33X14.00 Bogger and putting the tire back on with the impact
wrench the compressor will develop a little heat but not enough to
prevent me from holding my hand on the compressor when I'm done. At Moab
a couple years ago I ran the compressor for about 4 hours straight doing
repairs on my own and others vehicles and it got pretty hot but never
quit or gave any sign of anything wrong
  I'm fairly impressed with the qualities of Slick 50 in this situation
but not sure if it does this well inside a motor.

Laters, Danny Ling


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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:27:03 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: life is too short.... I need diesel fuel

At 07:44 PM 9/28/00, you wrote:
>What's annoying is how some of you 'listers can't create a new mail piece
>or become familiar with the delete key instead of replying to the reply of
>the reply to a reply to the reply of a post. Some of us don't want/need a
>recap of the last four lengthy thoughts on an idea, plus it just loads up
>the list with spam.
>
>On another note, can anybody suggest the best (cheapest) place to get
>Powerstroke fuel filters? The brite boys at International don't carry them
>and the Ford dealers want claim to your first-born child.
>
>Thanks.
>-Dale

www.genosgarage.com

Ken



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From: "John Webster" <jwebster tnt21.com>
Subject: Re: Turbo Lubers
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:23:47 -0400

<where'd you get your pump, john?
Scott,
   I picked mine up in a buy and sell publication for a $100.00. Since then
I've found you can get ones from large truck junk yards and places that
service large diesel trucks and buses, they use them alot. Most will be
motor and pump attached and sealed and your only doing a simple wiring and
hose hook-up. You should have know trouble in finding a good used one at a
reasonable price.

John
'77 F150 4X4 460/C6/4:11's/33's



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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:27:24 -0500
Subject: Re: life is too short.... I need diesel fuel
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> What's annoying is how some of you 'listers can't create a new mail piece
> or become familiar with the delete key instead of replying to the reply of
> the reply to a reply to the reply of a post. Some of us don't want/need a
> recap of the last four lengthy thoughts on an idea, plus it just loads up
> the list with spam.
>

I agree about snipping replies, but spam it isn't. Spam is unsolicited
e-mail. By signing up to the list, you are asking for whatever comes out of
it. Poor reply habits do indeed waste bandwidth.

> On another note, can anybody suggest the best (cheapest) place to get
> Powerstroke fuel filters? The brite boys at International don't carry them
> and the Ford dealers want claim to your first-born child.

On another note, you have a Powerstroke in a 61-79 F series? If you are
going to gripe about violation of one rule, don't break another one in the
next breath.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Michael Ray Jones" <mjones lcc.net>
Subject: 460 Hedman Headers
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:32:10 -0500

Is anyone using Hedman Headers on a 460?  I have a chance to buy a never
used set from an individual for about $100, and I was wondering if anyone
had any problems with them.  Any comments or tips would be appreciated


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: D0VE heads
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:56:57 -0500


Stoney writes:  >>I've used these pre-71 460's for years pulling trailers around the country
and swear by them. Not disagreeing with you, but, rather find out what your
experience has been and what set-up you've had better luck with under those
conditions. I've got one 460 due for a rebuild now so maybe I'll find a
better way to skin the cat.<<

I like to run my timing advanced to the edge of predetonation and on long hard pulls,
I find that I get valve ping. I'm sure that I could back the timing up around 4 degrees
and cure most of the ping, but then performance begins to deteriorate.  Someone
on this list has found a way to have variable(in cab) timing by using one of those
Electronic Ignition boxes that has an extra set of wires by hooking it to a
potentiometer and I think that would be ideal..  I gotta try that someday.  Got to
get the article again though first.  CJ was that you???
By the way those early heads really work best on the '72 and later short blocks
(taller block height/less compression).  Always use the timing gear sets for the
early('68-'70) though.  No built in cam retard.
My Sons engine is 100% pre '71, and this is the engine that I'm speaking of that
gets the ping only on long hard pulls..  More heat causes that I'm sure.  Not enough
to cause the heat hand to move up more than a bit, but enough to cause the condition
I speak of.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:07:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Turbo vs. Supercharged


> As an experienced owner of a supercharged
>Ford Lightning, let me just say that the s/c is totally over-rated for
>having "no turbo lag." That is a collective load of horse manure. S/C's
>have to be spooled up just like a turbo charger. If your engine RPM's are
>low, there's still a delay from the time you put your foot down until the
>time your supercharger comes into play..... just like a turbo.
>

As Gary said, its not the same type of lag though, as your rpm's come up so
does the compression ... a turbo generally lags behind this rev curve ... ie
it continues to spin up even after you've stopped accelerating (hence the need/desire
for pop-off valves (blow by, blow off, hissers, whatever you want to call them)
...

Anyway I'm curious as to what type of Lightning you have, if you've got a 99+
then its the roots style, if its an earlier one it can go either way, and a
centrifical charger will exhibit some "lag" due to inefficiencies at lower speeds
and not building the boost as quickly as a roots or positive displacement type
...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish

Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: life is too short....
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:20:29 -0700

I'll have you know that I actually delete some posts without replying
because I can't think of anything to say........:-)  The fact that I've
always been able to pass a multiple guess test even when I didn't have a
clue makes answering posts very tempting but I've learned to control the
urge unless I actually know what I'm talking about.  If I'm not sure I
"Usually" say so but occasionally I goof and Deacon is right there to pick
up on it.......:-)

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> I found the serious message here Gary. You believe this to be true!
> <snicker><snicker>
>
> Those of us that know you Gary, know you don't know everything. You just
> have an answer for everything. 8-]
>
> Later!
>
> Deacon



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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:02:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brett Habben <bhabben juno.com>
Subject: Re: 383's, 396'sm and V10's

Wish,
The 396 was not intended for medium-duty trucks. If you think of the FE/FT
paradigm, then ch*v's scenario would make a 396 marketed sorta like an FE,
and for medium duty trucks they had 366 and 427 high deck versions (HD 4
ring pistons) marketed sorta like the FT.
Up 'til '70 GM had a 400 cube ceiling on how big a motor would be marketed
in the A-bodies. While the 396 went into general production first, it was
developed as a smaller bore version of the 427 to meet that limitation. It
could be purchased as a formidable engine from the beginning but got the
reputation as having some sort of a curse. People'd wind them up like a 327
and the rods/bolts would fail, or the oil pump pickup would just plain fall
of the oil pump. Within short order if you went shopping for an SS396 you'd
open the hood and find yourself staring at a 307 more often than not. So, I
could understand people getting the impression they were a truck engine,
because the only ones left running were in pickups, suburbans, and the
occasional kingswood estate wagon.
Brett
>And I'm glad someone else had that impression that the 396 was >a truck
line of engines ...
>Just my $.02
>wish
>96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
>73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L




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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:32:36 -0500
Subject: Re: 383's, 396'sm and V10's
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> So, I
> could understand people getting the impression they were a truck engine,
> because the only ones left running were in pickups, suburbans, and the
> occasional kingswood estate wagon.

Brett,

I read the truck development story somewhere a long time ago in a galaxy far
far away....

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:34:34 -0500
Subject: Re: life is too short....
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> I'll have you know that I actually delete some posts without replying
> because I can't think of anything to say........:-)  The fact that I've
> always been able to pass a multiple guess test even when I didn't have a
> clue makes answering posts very tempting but I've learned to control the
> urge unless I actually know what I'm talking about.  If I'm not sure I
> "Usually" say so but occasionally I goof and Deacon is right there to pick
> up on it.......:-)
>
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

Right......You can fool all of the people some of the time and you can fool
some of the people all of the time, but you don't fool me.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: column needs rebuilt
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:49:36 GMT

I've noticed in the past couple months that my column shaft had some play in
it.  Last night I was changing my steering wheel and I noticed that it has
LOTS of play in the shaft.  I didn't have enough time to tear into it, so I
don't know what the bearing looks like - or if there even is a bearing there
anymore.

The column is in my '73 F100 2wd 4spd.  It had manual steering, but in my
conversion to power steering, I just swapped the center rod, so the outer
column is the original manual steering one - there all the same thought,
right?

I see that Auto Krafters has the bearings for $4 and bearing sleeve for $5,
I would need two of each right?  Is the bearing sleeve like a retainer for
the bearing or what?  Are there any other parts that normally get replaced
in a column rebuild?  My signals work good, don't need to replace the
switch, they just don't cancel since PO put on aftermarket steering wheel.

Are the bearings and sleeves easy to remove, or do they require
pressing/beating out?  Is there anything I need to be carefull of or watch
out for?

Thanks for your help.

Marty
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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: column needs rebuilt
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:16:16 -0700

I only have a ghost of a memory on this but as I recall the bearing is
spring loaded and when you pull the steering wheel the spring is released so
the bearing is not fully seated in which case you do have lots of play in
the top bearing.  It should tighten up when you re-install the wheel if this
it the type I'm remembering.

Of course even these can be worn out too......

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> I've noticed in the past couple months that my column shaft had some play
in
> it.  Last night I was changing my steering wheel and I noticed that it has
> LOTS of play in the shaft.


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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Hedman Headers
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:42:11 -0500


I just bought some for my 390. Paid about $130 from www.summitracing.com . Remember you get what you pay for, they don't look like the highest quality headers in the world. They look like they will work fine for me though. I thought for the price they were a good value.

---Garrett www.1966ford.com


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Michael Ray Jones
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 8:32 AM
 Subject: [61-79-list] 460 Hedman Headers


 Is anyone using Hedman Headers on a 460?  I have a chance to buy a never
 used set from an individual for about $100, and I was wondering if anyone
 had any problems with them.  Any comments or tips would be appreciated




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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:03:12 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Slick 50



Danny Ling wrote:
 ...a 231 Buick...
> powered Suzuki Samurai...a GM...

Please!  There are children who read these posts!   (This is an ironic
statement, intended for humorous use only. For external application--let
it run right off your back-- Not for internal use!)

(Please don't anyone bring up my Cadillac engine in a Ford truck.  It's
not running yet, anyway.)

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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Turbo vs. Supercharged
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:23:50 -0700


> Dale Frenz wrote:
> >
> > Somebody mentioned that they'd never own a turbo'd vehicle
> and instead
> > would go the supercharger route. As an experienced owner of
> a supercharged
> > Ford Lightning, let me just say that the s/c is totally
> over-rated for
> > having "no turbo lag." That is a collective load of horse
> manure. S/C's
> > have to be spooled up just like a turbo charger. If your
> engine RPM's are
> > low, there's still a delay from the time you put your foot
> down until the
> > time your supercharger comes into play..... just like a turbo.
> >
>
>  Very true. with the right setup, many turbos can achieve
> full boost at
> 2000 RPM, where as blowers achieve full boost only at max RPM. I do
> believe that blowers can reach max boost quicker once you get to that
> high RPM, but the actual torque curve of a turbo over a
> blower is going
> to be much greater due to a constant boost curve and very
> litle crank HP
> loss.
>
>                                          OX

Does this (supercharger lag) have to do with whether the supercharger is
under or over driven?  Or if over is it overdriven enough for the charger to
be delivering boost at a low rpm?  I know a turbo once it is spooled up can
achieve max boost regardless of engine rpm.  I was thinking if there is a
supercharger lag then why would top fuel dragsters use roots type blowers
over turbos?  Then I realized that those cars probably launch at close to
max rpm (close enough to be in boost at lauch anyway).


Tom H.

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:42:36 -0600
From: "Randy Cannon" <rcannon ussynthetic.com>
Subject: buy it?

I am considering the purchase of a '79 F-250 supercab (2 wd, 460, AT)
for $1500.  I think it is a steal, since the beast is in pretty good
shape and seems to run and drive well (except for some hesitation when
you really stomp on it).  However, being unfamiliar with older Fords, I
thought I would impose on you 'experts' for your opinions and advice on
what kind of things to look for and be aware of.  I have heard that
460's are not worth much due the rising popularity of the powerstroke
and gas prices.  True?  Is the 460 a solid, reliable engine?  Any
comments on the hesitation during hard acceleration would be useful
too.  Thanks in advance for your help and patience with my (ford)
ignorance.  (Sorry, but I currently drive a '66 chev 1/2T- my interest
in the supercab is spurred by a need for space for my wife and two kids)


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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:12:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
Subject: Late 70's F-Series wanted (A few ?'s)

Ok folks.  I figured I'd ask a question and see if anyone can help me out
here.  I'm to the point in my bronco rebuild where I've come to the
realization that I won't get it done before winter hits.  This is a
problem since I need to use my Bronco as a winter driver.  My mustang
doesn't do snow or ice.  :-)  I'm looking for a later 70's F-series 4x4 to
use this winter.  The way I figure it I've got enough spare Ford parts for
this vintage that if something does go wrong I might already have what I
need.  Ideally I'd like to find a pickup with a wrecked front-end since
I've got so many spare front body parts laying around it'd be pretty easy
to fix one up.  So now on with my questions.

1. When did Ford stop putting the FE's in the 70's F-series pickups?  Or I
guess a better question would be when did they start putting the 351M/400
in them?  I'd like to get a pickup with either a 351/400 or a 460 since
the 351M is what I'm already familiar with.  (Is that heresy on this list
to not want an FE?)  I know that '78 and '79's had these engines but what
about '76 or '77 models?  I figure if its a complete POS then I could at
least rebuild the motor and use it for my Bronco at some point.  (Everyone
needs a disposable vehicle to work on don't they?)

2. Does my theory sound reasonable?  I don't want to spend more than $3000
for this since I'm not sure I'll be keeping this very long.  (At least
that's what I'm telling my wife...)  :-)

3. Does anyone have any suggestions for where to look for such a beast?
I've been looking in the local papers, traversed just about every internet
classified ad site and I've come up with exactly zilch.  I've got email
updates at at least three different sites to keep an eye out for what I
want.

Thanks,
Eric Finn
'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project Still in Progress!)
'95 Mustang GT "Beauty"
'98 Honda Shadow 750 ACE
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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Ford engine workshop
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:15:27 GMT

What ever happened to the Ford V8 Engine Workshop at www.wrljet.com?  Does
it have a new address?  I hope we can still use it.  It's a very usefull
site.

If it no longer exhists, what book would have comparable information?  Like
the info on the different engine families.  Can anyone recommend a good book
or manual that would be similar?

Marty
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From: "Deacon" <deconblu ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: life is too short....
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:24:10 -0700

> now theres a fella that i would like to buy for what he is worth and
sell
> him for what he thinks he is worth
> gordon

   You wouldn't make much money off Gary. I've been on this list for
years with the man and I can tell you he's very knowledgeable. He'll
share his experience without any B.S. and debate opposing views if
warranted. If a better way is suggested, it isn't beneath him to
acknowledge it. It's not often it happens because he doesn't suggest
what he hasn't experienced himself. Gary isn't out to impress anyone and
he has impressed the heck out of me. If Gary says he's done something
and it worked, I have no doubt, he did and it does.
   If this is hard feelings over past post, please get over it. You are
taking things too personally. There is no room on this list for insults
from little egos with hurt feelings.
   Sorry people. I know I shouldn't waste everyone's time with post
like this but Gary's a long time friend and though Gary couldn't give a
hoot, it's getting me a little pissed off.


Later!

Deacon

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:34:47 -0400
From: somalley voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu (Sean O'Malley)
Subject: 300 PCV question

Dumb question perhaps, but...

The PCV valve is supposed to allow air to pass out of the valve cover
but not back in, right?

My '78 300 had a cheesy aftermarket air cleaner on it from the previous
owner and no hose on the oil filler vent tube.  I have since installed a
stock 300 airbox but still need to do something about the filler vent.
At idle, there's a noticable vacuum on that tube when I cover it with
my thumb.  That can't be good to have unfiltered air getting sucked into
the valve cover.  Is there a valve inside the little vent elbow that has
failed, or did there used to be a separate valve inline between the air
cleaner and the filler?  Or was there simply a separate filter element
where the hose attached to the airbox?  It looks like there's a bracket
inside the airbox that might once have held a a cigarette-pack-sized
filter.

What do people do when they install an aftermarket carb and air
filter?  Is there some kind of aftermarket PCV system that doesn't
need to be routed back into the intake?

Like I said, dumb question, but ya gotta start somewhere.

--sean

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: life is too short....
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:39:43 -0700

Still in good form I see....:-)  Thanks for the support good buddy but I'm
just fooling around.  I would rather have a little fun than get too serious, ....


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