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61-79-list Digest Wed, 27 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 265

In This Issue:
Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings
383s
Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings
Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Re: ADMIN: All new 2001 Ford trucks
Ad 588147
Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings
Re: 383s
Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings
Re: ADMIN: All new 2001 Ford trucks
Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings
Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10
Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10
Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings
Re: ADMIN: All new 2001 Ford trucks
Stubborn
Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10
Re: 383s
Manual
Nationals
Re: 383s
Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10
Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10
Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10
Re: ADMIN: All new 2001 Ford trucks
PHD
Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings
Re: ADMIN: All new 2001 Ford trucks

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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:02:27 -0700
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize

I just tried and a very pretty ERROR page
came up when I clicked on the link from
the Search.

dPrasse

PS

since it is close to 11 PM , I probably won't run out
to change oil , no matter what the article says  :-)

dP


Ken Payne wrote:
>
>
> Its amazing that people are still buying Slick 50 even AFTER
> the Federal Trade Commission fined them for false advertising.
> Read the snake oil article in the web site and you'll run to
> you truck to drain out the Snake 50.
>
> Ken
>
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:12:59 -0400

Just outta curiosity what caused the drop in pressure?  how bad were the
> bearings when ya tore it down?  I imagine that had to be one loose motor
to
> require STP.  Amzing stuff though.  It did cure the smoking in my old 68
> galaxie.  And I use it as part of my assembly lube.  But that guy wanting
to
> do a break in on the stuff was just too much.  We still laugh about that
one.
>
> Darrell & Tweety
> =============================================================
The bearings were way past the copper really and your right it was one loose
engine untill i replaced them
never use the stuff in a new engine tho i did one time it took about 40,000
miles for the rings to seat then and always be sure to have the engine
running hot when you pour it in then run the heck out of it for awhile then
otherwise it will plug the oil returns usually
the drop in pressure was from worn out bearings was all i think the oil pump
looked to be fine but i replaced it anyways while it was down for safety
this was in a 500horse V8 mack truck to and those were known to blow up very
easy we got over a million miles out of her tho before she did
gordon




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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:11:26 -0700
From: Don Grossman <duckdon mac.com>
Subject: Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings

>Bruce Montcombroux wrote:
>>
>>  I am about to replace the radius arm and axle bushings on my 76 4x4 ton.
>>  Would it be simpler to grind off the rivets holding the radius arm brackets
>>  in place or unbolt the shocks and springs and roll the front axle forward?
>>
>>  Couple factors to consider, I will (at some future point) be putting drop
>>  brackets on the radius arms to accommodate the 6 suspension lift (came with
>>  the truck).
>>  I only have one small floor jack, probably not enough to rest axle on and
>>  move it.
>>
>>  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>
>  Can't get C-bushings out without removing springs and lower spring seat
>anyway. At that point, axle is all but out, especially since you really
>can't remove springs without remvoing shocks.
>
>                                    OX

Bruce, since you will be that far into the project you might as well
get the drop down brackets in there now also

Just my .02
--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: 383s
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:18:25 -0400

In the guys defence, his car stunk pretty bad of varnished gas.  It was
still
> fun, and we ended up staying up most of the night at the local Sonic
talkin
> cars and thourogly trashing GM products in the process.
>
> Darrell & Tweety
> =============================================================
i had a couple of the 383 magnums they all ran pretty good to but would blow
the doors off of a 396 chevy tho straight from the factory the 383s were no
mods at all and ran even better after sticking some decent gears in them
like 390s or 411s
gordon



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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:20:07 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize

Click on "Tech Articles."  If you're getting errors with the
site, then ATT's lines are between you and our server because
ATT has been having problems since the 6th and I've had user
complaints about it.

Regardless of whether you read the article, the Federal
Trade Commission has already said Snake 50 is a sham and
anyone who continues to use it is flushing money away.

Ken

PS - The footer says "please remove footer when replying"

At 02:02 AM 9/28/00, you wrote:
>I just tried and a very pretty ERROR page
>came up when I clicked on the link from
>the Search.
>
>dPrasse
>
>PS



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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:53:59 EDT
Subject: Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings

In a message dated 9/27/2000 12:14:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
montcom BrandonU.CA writes:

<< I am about to replace the radius arm and axle bushings on my 76 4x4 ton.
Would it be simpler to grind off the rivets holding the radius arm brackets
in place or unbolt the shocks and springs and roll the front axle forward?
 >>

When I did mine on my Bronco (79) I started with the Roll the axle bit. Ended
up just pulling the brackets, which turned out to be much simpler. But then,
mine were just bolted onto the frame. Neat as I could tell, I was the first
one in there (Seriously doubt anything happened with the bushings in it's 1st
5 yrs of life).

George M in Fl.

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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:12:51 -0700


> Its amazing that people are still buying Slick 50 even AFTER
> the Federal Trade Commission fined them for false advertising.
> Read the snake oil article in the web site and you'll run to
> you truck to drain out the Snake 50.
I've had a couple of machinist's tell me that an engine that had used Slick
50 couldn't be remachined because of the teflon and other additives in it.
They would build up on the crank journal surfaces and make grinding them
impossible.
Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD
Happiness is a handful of warm deer guts


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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: All new 2001 Ford trucks
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:15:21 -0500

Drrrrooollllll, 2001 Ford F-650 Super CrewZer =)

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Subject: [61-79-list] ADMIN: All new 2001 Ford trucks


There are several new Ford Motor Company press releases on
the FTE web site.  Ford slam dunks the competition with the
new Super CrewZer, it makes the Super Duty and Excursion
look small.  Can you say tractor-trailor rig in your driveway?

Here's the list of press releases:

2001 King Ranch F-150 SuperCrew
2001 Ford F-650 Super CrewZer
Super Duty F-Series -- One in a Million
The 2001 Platinum Edition Ford Super Duty F-250
Ford Super Duty F-Series -- The Clear Leader in Customer Choice

You can find them at <a
href="http://www.ford-trucks.com">www.ford-trucks.com</a>

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Ad 588147
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:48:26 -0400


here is a link to a bunch of truck shop manuals if anyone needs or wants
them
gordon

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ep.com/js/mi/c0/n0/588147.html


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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:01:36 -0400
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings

>When I did mine on my Bronco (79) I started with the Roll the axle bit. Ended
>up just pulling the brackets, which turned out to be much simpler. But then,
>mine were just bolted onto the frame. Neat as I could tell, I was the first
>one in there (Seriously doubt anything happened with the bushings in it's 1st
>5 yrs of life).

Yeah, anyone I've talked to that has done it has found it much easier just
to cut the rivets holding the brackets in place and replace them with bolts
when you put it back together. Then when you ever have to do it again, it's
much easier!


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:28:42 GMT
Subject: Re: 383s


>i had a couple of the 383 magnums they all ran pretty good to but would blow

>the doors off of a 396 chevy tho straight from the factory

The only "truck" powered car I've driven that's been "fast" has been the 82
GT and that's just 'cause it had a steeper gearset (3.08's) and a wide ratio
4spd so the motor could actually use the torque ...  the 396 was just a chance
to say "hey we got a big block over here too" ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:24:21 -0700

AFAIK the 78's came with bolted brackets.  Now, lets tell the gentleman what
kind of bolts to put in when he replaces the originals......:-)  The reason
I did it the roll away way is because I was changing all the bushings and
installing shocks.  Removing the brackets would have been more work in that
case......for me :-)

When I rebuilt the front end I did remove the brackets and replaced all the
bolts in everything as well with grade............:-)

I'm a firm believer in removing only enough to get the job done but in some
cases more is actually easier and time saving which is one reason the second
or third time you do the same job it always "Seems" to go faster for some
reason :-)

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> >When I did mine on my Bronco (79) I started with the Roll the axle bit.
Ended
> >up just pulling the brackets, which turned out to be much simpler. But
then,
> >mine were just bolted onto the frame.


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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:29:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: All new 2001 Ford trucks

At 11:15 PM 9/27/00, you wrote:
>Drrrrooollllll, 2001 Ford F-650 Super CrewZer =)

Only 1,000 will be made for 2001.  My guess is that they're
testing the waters....  Its definitely a cool rig.  Total
carrying capacity is 9,000lbs on/in the truck and plus
total GVWR with tailor is 48,000lbs!

Ken



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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:38:41 -0700

I know that truck engines use steel cranks but when the bearings are past
the copper the crank is usually trashed.  All I've seen were in any case.
That was a pretty lucky break for you, eh?

Just curious where you found 5 gallons of STP and what size containers it
came in.  I've only seen the pint or 1/2 pint (not sure) size.

I once attempted to "Fix" some very loose bearings with 90 wt gear lube.
What I didn't understand  was that the oil had to get through the small
drilled passages in the crank and other places to properly lube things.
Needless to say everything burned up due to "lack" of oil in about 20
minutes of driving and it threw a rod through the block.

There is one valid use for STP and it's stated on the can.  It is basically
a very high detergent oil additive and it did free up the lifters on my 352
once when I used it for that purpose.  I've never seen any other benefits
from using it in any other engine but an old gentleman once made a statement
to me (when I made an erroneous statement) that "you can't argue with
success" and I have to agree.  It may be a fluke but if it works.......:-)

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> > require STP.  Amzing stuff though.  It did cure the smoking in my old 68

> The bearings were way past the copper really and your right it was one
loose
> engine untill i replaced them

> this was in a 500horse V8 mack truck to and those were known to blow up
very
> easy we got over a million miles out of her tho before she did
> gordon



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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:45:06 -0400
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings

Gary wrote:
>
> AFAIK the 78's came with bolted brackets.

They did??, never seen factory bolted brackets (on any of my 6, 78/79
broncs I've had). Later model broncs/150's had bolts, but only on pass
side due to cataclizmic contorter heat eating up that side radius arm
bushing :-).

                                     OX

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:47:44 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10



JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:


>
> I had the pleasure of driving my dads friends brand new F-350 with the V-10.
> I was not impressed at all.  It had all the pick up of an old wore out 351m.
> How Ford could ever consider that as a replacement for the 460 is beyond me.
> Dont get me wrong, its a neat motor, but all in all, it was noisy, weak in
> the knees, and got worse mileage tham Tweety's 460.
>

...so what was neat about it?  I'm not being a smart-ass...Was there
anything good about it...?  I've been wanting to hear more about these
ever since Ford first realeasing them...

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:45:15 -0700

Our favorite filter company (Fram) is the only one I've seen who advertises
the teflon stuff is actually in the filter to be sucked into the engine on
start up.  If it's so danged good why aren't the others using it?  Companies
use Hype for only one reason......it sells their products and they don't
care a whit about truth, only what sells :-(

Next we will be hearing about graphit oil and how it saved the world.....:-)
Oh, Yes, I've used that stuff too (once) :-(  Ever pull the pan on an engine
that used this?

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> >Wrong or Right , Slick 50 goes into each oil change ...
> >with regular 10w40 Dino oil and Motorcraft Filter.



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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:46:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> The guy
> figured if one bottle was good per oil change, running nuthing but must be
> god's gift.  After a liberal cleaning it was returned to him and fired up
> just fine.

That's good. Logic strikes again. Oh, that's funny.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:57:28 -0700

The 460 was designed during the muscle car era and has 45 more cubes than
the V-10.  I don't really understand their reasoning either since this
configuration certainly has the potential to be pretty awesome :-(  Looks
like Ford has been taking lessons from Fram and Amsoil :-(

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> I had the pleasure of driving my dads friends brand new F-350 with the
V-10.
> I was not impressed at all.  It had all the pick up of an old wore out
351m.



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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:01:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> There is one valid use for STP and it's stated on the can.  It is basically
> a very high detergent oil additive and it did free up the lifters on my 352
> once when I used it for that purpose.  I've never seen any other benefits
> from using it in any other engine but an old gentleman once made a statement
> to me (when I made an erroneous statement) that "you can't argue with
> success" and I have to agree.  It may be a fluke but if it works.......:-)

If you want to check your engine oil to see what it is doing inside your
engine, try this little experiment.

1. Get a new bottle of your favorite brand of oil.
2. Reach up under the engine somewhere and get your hands real greasy with
that black gooey junk that everyone's engine has on it somewhere except
Stu's. A cold engine works better. A greasy differential would work well,
too.
3. Pour a palm full of the new oil on your hands and scrub it around like
you do soap. If your hands loose the gunk to the oil, then you have made a
good choice detergent wise. If not, then I guess that's why the inside of
your engine looks the way it does.

Don't do this test a whole bunch as it has been shown that prolonged and
repeated exposure of bare skin to motor oil can cause cancer. (Says so or
something very similar right on the bottle.)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:21:45 -0700

Maybe this is so common because it's the first mod any one makes?  Heard a
lot of comments from others that they found bolts in theirs??

Mine "had the appearance" of factory installation so I assumed......I know,
I know........

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> Gary wrote:
> >
> > AFAIK the 78's came with bolted brackets.
>
>  They did??, never seen factory bolted brackets (on any of my 6, 78/79
> broncs


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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: All new 2001 Ford trucks
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:30:19 -0700


>
>
> At 11:15 PM 9/27/00, you wrote:
> >Drrrrooollllll, 2001 Ford F-650 Super CrewZer =)
>
> Only 1,000 will be made for 2001.  My guess is that they're
> testing the waters....  Its definitely a cool rig.  Total
> carrying capacity is 9,000lbs on/in the truck and plus
> total GVWR with tailor is 48,000lbs!
>
> Ken
>
>

Hasn't there been an artist's rendering of one of these on the web site for
years?  Now FTE leads FMC!!
Tom H.

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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Stubborn
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:29:11 -0500


Scott writes:  >>.  older folks can be a stubborn and tenacious lot when it comes
to deeply held convictions.  <<

Hey there,,,  Take it easy on us old folks!!!  I don't think stubborness is caused
by age..  Seems like to me anyone that thinks they're always right, and thinks all
others are wrong, just might be a bit stubborn also..

FTE content.    Gotta go to my daughters and mow her yard.  I''ll pull the mower up
with the wifes F100..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:40:42 EDT
Subject: Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10

In a message dated 9/28/00 6:47:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dpearson ctc.edu
writes:


> ...so what was neat about it?

Well Im a big car nut, so just the fact its a V-10 gets a few points.  I
liked its smootheness, and I liked the looks I got when people looked at the
badges.  And I'm pretty sure that with a lil bit of $$ and some careful
planning, someone sould bring that V-10 to life.  It has potential that way,
but in stock form, it just didnt cut the mustard.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 383s
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:39:36 -0700

I knew a guy with a 64/5, 396 Chevelle that was pretty awesome......Don't
think it was exactly stock though :-)

I just saw a show on this very subject and the 396 was actually GM's way to
beat Ford and Chrysler in the NASCAR races. They developed this engine for 3
years secretly and then popped the proposal to NASCAR that they were getting
way too fast for the tracks so they should reduce the cubes allowed.  This
tactic knocked the Ford 427 and Chrysler 426 hemi out of the competition and
left GM with the only viable "Under 400" race engine for several years which
regained GM the supremecy they wanted to boost car sales.

Every time they start to lose to Ford they get the rules changed instead of
coming up with a better mouse trap........

What I'm saying is that the 396 was race bred and should have been pretty
awesome.  Did I miss something?  The State Police used the 383 for many
years too and it was a pretty awesome interceptor in police trim.  I'm sure
it wouldn't hold up against modified big block engines but for what it was
it was pretty decent.

Cubes still rule but I did see an awesome bird doing 14's with a 2300 with
dual turbos set up on it.

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> 4spd so the motor could actually use the torque ...  the 396 was just a
chance
> to say "hey we got a big block over here too" ...



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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Manual
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:04:48 -0500


Eric F. writes:  >>Well since I just went through trying to find the '78 manual back in April<<

E Bay has a set of '78s right now.  Bidding expires 9/30/00 18:09 PDT..  Bid is currently $46.00.
Item447763096.
Type in "1978 Ford Truck Manual" where it states "What are you looking for"...  Sometimes you have to make "manual" plural (s)..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Dave Emerick" <djemerick hotmail.com>
Subject: Nationals
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:13:04 EST

I'm curious...anybody going to the 4-Wheel Jamboree Nationals in
Indianapolis this weekend?
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:21:13 GMT
Subject: Re: 383s

>I just saw a show on this very subject and the 396 was actually GM's way to

>beat Ford and Chrysler in the NASCAR races. They developed this engine for
3
>years secretly and then popped the proposal to NASCAR that they were getting

>way too fast for the tracks so they should reduce the cubes allowed.

Hmmm, I don't remember any of this, but I'm pretty sure the motor came out before
it saw any NASCAR usage ... in the old 66/7 Chevelle's, and I know Ford an Dodge
were still runnin the 426/7's then ... all the Chevy guys I've talked to call
it a truck motor 'cause its just too heavy and adds too much nose weight to
the car without adding enough additional power (course it would never be enough
power :)  ...

I'd heard some of the 396 being a NASCAR inspired motor trying to lower the
bar on displacements, but could've sworn that fell through and they decided
to concentrate on the small blocks then (hence the 302 Chevy) ... but now we're
getting a bit off topic probably so I'll just let it slide ...

On the Ford side of things I've thought about putting 396 badges on my truck
... its a .030 over 390 after all, so true displacement is much closer to 396
:)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:23:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10

>And I'm pretty sure that with a lil bit of $$ and some careful
>planning, someone sould bring that V-10 to life

Darrel, you might try and find a guy out in the LV area named Mike Arnett I
believe ... runs a Mustang shop of some sort ... he's got a Mustang running
a V10 from a Ford van!  Supposedly a pretty easy "bolt in" affair because all
the holes for the motor mounts and bell housing were already there ... the computer
they are still playing with I think ... it was pretty cool, not sure how fast
it was, but the cool factor was way high :)



Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:26:53 -0700

Ask and you shall recieve. V-10 Mustang:
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-----Original Message-----
From: wish [mailto:wish ford-trucks.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:23 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Smoked tires? NOT with a V-10


>And I'm pretty sure that with a lil bit of $$ and some careful
>planning, someone sould bring that V-10 to life

Darrel, you might try and find a guy out in the LV area named Mike Arnett I
believe ... runs a Mustang shop of some sort ... he's got a Mustang running
a V10 from a Ford van!  Supposedly a pretty easy "bolt in" affair because
all
the holes for the motor mounts and bell housing were already there ... the
computer
they are still playing with I think ... it was pretty cool, not sure how
fast
it was, but the cool factor was way high :)




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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:25:32 EDT
Subject: Re: Smoked tires?  NOT with a V-10

In a message dated 9/28/00 8:19:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
wish ford-trucks.net writes:


> Darrel, you might try and find a guy out in the LV area named Mike Arnett I
> believe ... runs a Mustang shop of some sort ... he's got a Mustang running
> a V10 from a Ford van!  Supposedly a pretty easy "bolt in" affair because
> all
> the holes for the motor mounts and bell housing were already there ... the
> computer
>


Havent met him, but I did meet his daughter online in a Vegas chatroom, sent
me pics of it before it had made it into the mags.  Awesome setup, and in
that small car, I am positive that V-10 shines through.  But in a 7000lb
truck, its just not up to snuff.  One positive thing about the V-10, being a
small motor, with no pushrods, Id bet that thing could rev like no other,
maybe a change in cams that allow it to come to life at say 5000?  Oh no, now
Im dreamin again.  Stay focused Darrell, Tweety's 460 is almost done.......

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:26:29 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: All new 2001 Ford trucks

At 10:30 AM 9/28/00, you wrote:

>>
>>
>> At 11:15 PM 9/27/00, you wrote:
>> >Drrrrooollllll, 2001 Ford F-650 Super CrewZer =)
>>
>> Only 1,000 will be made for 2001.  My guess is that they're
>> testing the waters....  Its definitely a cool rig.  Total
>> carrying capacity is 9,000lbs on/in the truck and plus
>> total GVWR with tailor is 48,000lbs!
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>
>Hasn't there been an artist's rendering of one of these on the web site for
>years?  Now FTE leads FMC!!
>Tom H.

The rendering was of a dump truck modified to have 4 doors
and an SUV back end.  This is very similar, though its more of
a Super Duty made into a tractor rig.  Maybe Ford ought to
pay us all consulting fees? :-)

Ken



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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: PHD
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:24:39 -0500


Tom H. writes:  >>I thought we had a lady who had a PHD in English.  Where is Clare anyway?<<

And I thought Clare's degree was in Biology..  See how we all read
the same things and get different perspectives/understandings from it.....

Oh well!!!!


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:31:32 -0700
From: Don Grossman <duckdon mac.com>
Subject: Re: 76 4x4 radius arm and axle bushings

>Maybe this is so common because it's the first mod any one makes?  Heard a
>lot of comments from others that they found bolts in theirs??
>
>Mine "had the appearance" of factory installation so I assumed......I know,
>I know........
>

The factory switched back and forth between rivets and bolts.  I had
a 77 that used the bolts.  Ended up cutting them off anyway.  :)

--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:34:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: All new 2001 Ford trucks

--- Ken Payne <kpayne ....


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