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61-79-list Digest Tue, 26 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 262

In This Issue:
Re: where to buy a gas tank
Re: To: Dawn
Re: 429/460 heads
Re: Manuals....
Re: Thank you everyone
61-79-list] to: james dana 60, gearing and such
Re: Dual Exhaust
Another Manual Source
'70 Ranger XLT SWB for sale
Found 70 F100 f/s in Cen. Texas
Re: pondering my door panels
Re: [Fwd: Fuel Atomizer..(was Clean Fuel Tank)]
Re: Found 70 F100 f/s in Cen. Texas
Re: To: Dawn
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Re: life is too short....
Re: [Fwd: Fuel Atomizer..(was Clean Fuel Tank)] now snake
Re: Another Manual Source
Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Re: Thank you everyone
Re: life is too short....
Re: OIL
Re: 351W Heads
Re: Thermostat Options
Re: axle gears     (full of questions today)
D0VE heads
Re: Found 70 F100 f/s in Cen. Texas
Re: Found 70 F100 f/s in Cen. Texas

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From: "Keith" <A2JKEITH GCI.NET>
Subject: Re: where to buy a gas tank
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:35:47 -0800

Try www.napaonline.com  may be a bit pricey though

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Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 4:46 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] where to buy a gas tank


>
>I am going to be putting an 85 Isuzu Trooper gas tank in my 66, and have
had some trouble finding one. Anybody know of a company that sells gas tanks
that has a webpage?
>
>
>---Garrett www.1966ford.com
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:52:09 -0400
From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston switch.com>
Subject: Re: To: Dawn


Where else can you get service manuals? The Helm site doesn't work
except for G# manuals!

Thanks
Virgil

> The Chilton and Haynes manuals (debateable as to which is actually best!)
> are quite thorough for a lot of stuff but can be vague when you're getting
> into some of the nitty gritty. The Ford service manuals (many available
> from www.helm.com - about $100) are great except they only cover one year.
> Good thing the 73-79 trucks are mostly the same. They provide a lot more
> specific information on fixing and diagnosing problems - a must have I
> think if you plan on driving the truck for a while.
>
>

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:19:59 -0700
From: William King <kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: 429/460 heads

Let me add,
Another advantage of the early 429/460 heads, with the 'evil' rail
rockers is that they can be easily converted to adjustable rockers.  I
think this is detailed in Tom Monroe's book, and I converted my 429
heads to this adjustable setup years ago.  Basically, it only requires
buying screw-in studs for a Ford, hardened push-rods, guide-plates, and
BB Ch*vy, sled-type, rocker arms.  I've been very happy with this setup...
just one more happy thing about those early heads.

Ohio Bill


>>      Ok one & all, Whats so great about these types of heads ? I've got
>> access to 2 sets . One set I'm told is 1969 the other is 1970. This guy
>says


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Manuals....
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:18:59 -0700

I got mine from Faxon for $120 in pretty decent shape.  Helm did/does Ford
manuals too but they seem to be a tad hard to talk to for some reason.  Our
old manuals are out of print but Faxon and some others do reprints and sell
them for many older trucks.  That's what my big one is, totally reprint.
The smaller ones are used but in good condition.  The big one is the one you
will use most of the time so they get pretty beat up.  Anything older than
about 90 is probably out of print and not available at Helms except on a hit
or miss basis.

Years ago I called the SVO tech line and the guy gave me a huge list of book
sellers that handled Ford manuals and, of course, I lost it but I did have
some luck with Faxon :-)

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

>
> Where else can you get service manuals? The Helm site doesn't work
> except for G# manuals!



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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Thank you everyone
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:20:48 -0700

Quit shouting Dude! :-)  Oh, you ARE shouting.....for joy :-)  Do I hear
heels clicking too......:-)

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> 71 F250 4wd ( I FOUND THE DONOR PARTS TRUCK FOR THE POWER STEERING AND GOT
> THE PARTS FOR FREE! ! ! ! !)



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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:47:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Oxley <joxenburger yahoo.com>
Subject: 61-79-list] to: james dana 60, gearing and such

Bob wrote:
>
> Actually, I have a 14 bolt GM rear.  A friend owns a
U-Pull and I'm hoping
> he'll come across a D60 front end that I can toy
with.

If he does, he'd be stupid not to sell it for some
big money :-) I paid $600 for my last one and that was
cheap.

I might just go
> ahead and try to weld the D44 C bushing mounts to
the D60.  This isn't
> something I was thinking of till recently, but for
what I'm planning on
> doing with the truck, it seems to be the way to go.


Yes, that is what I did. See

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/BRONC_DETAILS/dana60frt.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/BRONC_DETAILS/frtdana60mnt.jpg


>Do you have a D60 under one or so of your trucks?

See above

> Hey James, where in Jersey do you live?

Central, eastern, Lakewood to be specific. About an
hour and 15 from philly (up 295 to 195 east).

I'm in Philadelphia and I'd really
> like to stop buy some time.  It would be a tiny trek
to see a great
> collection of 4 '79 Bronco's.

Actually 3.5, 1-78, 2-79's and half a 78 (maybe 3/4,
LOL!!).

> Also, to see how things are done right!  I
> seem to be starting a collection of my own...

 4 of them and all my mods were still cheaper than
one new full size sport ute :-) It is getting tougher
to find later 70's trucks, they are getting pricey
(especially broncos) like the early broncs.

                    OX


78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56,
D60/detroit/4.56, 44 boggers, 9" lift
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10,
D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5 SX's, 4"lift
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)



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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:58:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Oxley <joxenburger yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust


GMontgo930 aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/24/2000 7:42:38 PM Eastern
Daylight Time,
> hosses kootenaycable.com writes:
>
> << Hello list, Can anyone give me some insight into
dual exhausts on a '79
> f150 4x4 351M 4sp dual tanks. I want to keep my
stock manifolds for now. Is
> there anyway to run the exhaust down both sides or
would I have to run both
> down the ditch side. If I do then would it better to
exit both on the same
> side or run another pipe over at the back end. It
seems like this would make
> one pipe run a heck of a lot longer than the other.
If I ran a crossover pipe
> would this make it not matter.  Thanks.
>   >>
>

I have headers, but this is how my exh runs. It all
fits, but the muffs need to be real small unless you
don't care if they hang down a bit. I have not noticed
any problems with the drivers side exh being longer
than pass side. I've had this exh setup with a stock 2
bbl 351M, 4 bbl 351M, 4 bbl 351M with 400 cam (hair
more lift) and mildly built 400 with a healthy cam. I
do not have a crossover pipe.

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                            OX


--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56,
D60/detroit/4.56, 44 boggers, 9" lift
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10,
D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5 SX's, 4"lift
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)


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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:05:34 -0400
From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston switch.com>
Subject: Another Manual Source

I just ran across this source for manuals. Looks good. Anyone have any
experience with them?

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.books4cars.com/fordtrucks.html

Virgil

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:12:29 -0500
From: John Strauss <jstrauss inetport.com>
Subject: '70 Ranger XLT SWB for sale

I just saw this truck last night in a parking lot in Austin, Texas.  It was
kinda dark so I couldn't tell too much, it's white, has fairly new paint
but looks like a cheap job, not show quality but serviceable.  All the
chrome was in place and the grille was nice and complete.  Had straight
bumpers and the rear was a "contour" bumper.  Wearing '73-'77 Explorer
hubcaps.  Interior was OK, looked like the original seat cover and did not
see any tears.  3-speed converted to floor shift.  The bed floor had some
rust holes up at the front but the fenders were clean as far as I could
tell.  Looks like it sat with a bunch of leaves and trash in the bed for a
while.  Didn't look under the hood.

The best part is the price - they are asking $2000.  I am going to stop by
again this afternoon on the way home from work so if anybody is interested,
let me know and I'll get you the number and check out anything specific.

I'm on digest so if you want to get to me today, email me direct.
  _
_| ~~.  John Strauss
\, *_}  jstrauss inetport.com
  \(    Texas Fight!


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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:22:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brett Habben <bhabben juno.com>
Subject: Found 70 F100 f/s in Cen. Texas

Folks,
Wasn't someone looking for a 67-72 in Central Texas?  I saw one for sale
yesterday.  It's a '70 F100 Ranger XLT short/wide bed. 360, 3spd., manual
everything and no A/C.  It said $2000 on the for sale sign.  Phone number is
512-264-2707 (west of Austin). It's been repainted white fairly recently and
looks to be in pretty good shape. It would be worth your time to take a look
at it.
Brett




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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: pondering my door panels
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:46:10 GMT

Sorry it took so long to write back, I think I may be busier than I think I
am...I think...

Thanks for the reply John, are those panhead screws metal or plastic?  Would
they have a nut or are they a sheetmetal screw?  Did you upholster over
yours?

Thanks

Marty
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:08:18 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson <dpearson ctc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fuel Atomizer..(was Clean Fuel Tank)]



canzus seanet.com wrote:
>
> At 02:49 PM 25:09:2000 -0700, Dennis Pearson wrote:
>
> >Then, when paging through the
> >Eastwood catalog, I came across the item for $65--it's supposed to swirl
> >the air, causing fuel atomization.  After seeing that, I installed it
> >inside the K&N on my Cleveland.  I don't really know if it helped or
> >not.
>
>  You've shot my opinion of you all to hell.
>
>  Have you ever heard the term "Snakeoil"??

Dude, I got it for free at a yard sale...

It took all of two minutes to install...

Also, I thought of Eastwood as a reputable distributor, above the
promotion of "snake oil."

Oh well, you never know until you try...

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:10:44 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: Re: Found 70 F100 f/s in Cen. Texas

Brett-

Where did you see that truck???how far west??

Thanks
Howard

Brett Habben wrote:

> Folks,
> Wasn't someone looking for a 67-72 in Central Texas?  I saw one for sale
> yesterday.  It's a '70 F100 Ranger XLT short/wide bed. 360, 3spd., manual
> everything and no A/C.  It said $2000 on the for sale sign.  Phone number is
> 512-264-2707 (west of Austin). It's been repainted white fairly recently and
> looks to be in pretty good shape. It would be worth your time to take a look
> at it.
> Brett
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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: To: Dawn
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:13:44 -0700

Helm's does/did make the best Ford service manual available.  However for
our vintage they are out of print.  Best bet is to keep trollin E-bay for a
set.

Tom H.
>
>
> Where else can you get service manuals? The Helm site
> doesn't work
> except for G# manuals!
>
> Thanks
> Virgil
>
> > The Chilton and Haynes manuals (debateable as to which is
> actually best!)
> > are quite thorough for a lot of stuff but can be vague when
> you're getting
> > into some of the nitty gritty. The Ford service manuals
> (many available
> > from www.helm.com - about $100) are great except they only
> cover one year.
> > Good thing the 73-79 trucks are mostly the same. They
> provide a lot more
> > specific information on fixing and diagnosing problems - a
> must have I
> > think if you plan on driving the truck for a while.
> >
> >
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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:13:43 -0700


>
> In a message dated 9/24/2000 7:42:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> hosses kootenaycable.com writes:
>
> << Hello list, Can anyone give me some insight into dual
> exhausts on a '79
> f150 4x4 351M 4sp dual tanks. I want to keep my stock
> manifolds for now. Is
> there anyway to run the exhaust down both sides or would I
> have to run both
> down the ditch side. If I do then would it better to exit
> both on the same
> side or run another pipe over at the back end. It seems like
> this would make
> one pipe run a heck of a lot longer than the other. If I ran
> a crossover pipe
> would this make it not matter.  Thanks.
>   >>
>
> The choice is really up to you. with most 4x4's it's hard to
> get the pipe
> around the xfer case. This makes the dual "ditch side" look
> more attractive.
> One possible alternative if you want the exit on both sides
> look is to route
> the Pass side pipe over to the drivers side and let the
> drivers side exhaust
> on the pass side. This would keep both approx equal length
> and avoid the
> hassles getting the pipe around the drivers side xfer case.
>

With dual tanks I would be really hesitant to route an exhaust pipe anywhere
down the passenger side.  I have seen one truck where the owner routed the
pipes down the outside of the frame.  Looked kinda weird.

Tom H.

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:09:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Hall <sch8489 garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 SHill48337 aol.com wrote:

> Well, my engineering background and understanding of the specifications of
> Mobil-1 in caused me to start using it in 1977.  At this time it was only

hmmm.  well, over in the chemical engineering department, we get pretty
familiar with mobil1, too.  and amsoil, and castrol, and...  understanding
the specs--both stated and actual--is what we do.

out of curiousity, what was that engineering degree of yours?  civil,
maybe?  'course, if you got it before 1977, some things have changed since
then.

> Not only that I use filters that remove particles less than 0.5 microns.

I could go on for hours about just this subject, but I gather you *know*
the *real* truth.  for everybody else, there is a large difference between
a manufacturers claim to filter down to 5 microns and consistantly doing
it in the filter.  much like sears h.p. ratings on electric motors...

and burt, don't sweat it, I go to a *lot* of cruises where some old-timer
*swears* castor oil is the best lube 'cause that's the way they did it way
back when.  older folks can be a stubborn and tenacious lot when it comes
to deeply held convictions.  my neighbor a few years back was ready to
burn me at the stake because I didn't worship at the temple of mopar.

scott


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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:13:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Hall <sch8489 garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: life is too short....

> Garrett Nelson wrote:
> >
> > OK. I love you guys!

we love you too, man.


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fuel Atomizer..(was Clean Fuel Tank)] now snake
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:21:44 -0700

I'm forming opinions of everyone on this list....does that mean I'm
"Opinionated"?  Think I'll create a data base so I can update it easily when
I change my mind :-)  I understand Amsoil has a crew in South America
hunting Anacondas, not sure what that means but.....:-)

Swirling the air before it gets in the carb isn't likely to do much but it
may be an attempt to increase the pressure at the mouth of the carb which
certainly would be a benefit.  That's what K & N claim their filter does
so....are they hunting snakes too?

The fact is that the air cleaner bottom configuration does have a marked
effect on the air flow into the carb and ultimate top end power.  The proof
of this is the fact that way back in the old days guys used to remove the
air cleaner at the drags to get more air flow but they eventually discovered
that if they left the stock bottom plate on the carb they got better air
flow and thus more power out of it.  K & N and others make special horns on
the bottom of thier filter housings for this reason.

You'se guys do realize that carb air flow is measured at WOT and top rpm and
has little to do with low rpm, high load, WOT operation right?.....as in
Trucks?  Many items we see in performance catalogs may have a valid use
somewhere but for our purpose may have the same value as snake oil.....This
catagory actually encompasses most of the hardware the average guy bolts on
his truck :-)  This fact, of course, does not in any way reduce the "Cool"
factor of having it on there :-)

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> >  You've shot my opinion of you all to hell.
> >
> >  Have you ever heard the term "Snakeoil"??
>
> Dude, I got it for free at a yard sale...



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From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Another Manual Source
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:34:30 -0700

   I recently purchased a complete set of 4 service manuals (about $80) for
my 69 F250's from http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.books4cars.com/. They are original unused Ford
manuals in excellent condition, and I am very happy with them. My only
regret is that I spent 2 years restoring my trucks without these service
manuals!

BTW:) About 3 days after I placed the order, a rep from Books4cars called
and apologized for the delay. The books arrived about 3 days later via UPS.

Michael
69 F250 390 4V, T18, 3.54 LS
69 F250 390 4V, C6, 4.11
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> I just ran across this source for manuals. Looks good. Anyone have any
> experience with them?
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.books4cars.com/fordtrucks.html
>
> Virgil



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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Syntehtic vs. Dino Oil was Anti-Seize
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:47:58 -0700

Scott, shame on you......anyway, fill us in since you have all this info on
the subject :-)  Those of us who have been around a while know that what you
see/hear is way not what you get in this area.  Half truths is what you get.
Amsoil and other Snake oils were invented to keep turbine and jet engines
alive longer and they certainly do a wonderful job of that but dirty is
dirty no matter how well the molecules hold up so tell us more about what
you do in the lab? :-)

What have you learned about this issue of longevity, not the molecular
structure but the chemical stability over time and it's effects on engine
parts???

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> out of curiousity, what was that engineering degree of yours?  civil,
> maybe?  'course, if you got it before 1977, some things have changed since
> then.



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From: "Keith" <A2JKEITH GCI.NET>
Subject: Re: Thank you everyone
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:34:28 -0800

Oh that wasnt shouting, That was pure excitement, YOU try finding parts for
an older Ford where they dont want vital parts of your body for the price
here in Alaska and I would gladly tone it down :o) An old Ford part around
here is like a dragon, its a creature of myth.
   Also I found out somethin
c.h.e.v.r.o.l.e.t. Stands for Chews Heads Eats Valves Races Only Little
Electric Trains.
and thats all I have to say about that.
Keith
71 F250 4w
81 Ford Courier

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From: Gary <gpeters3 lni.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:24 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Thank you everyone


>Quit shouting Dude! :-)  Oh, you ARE shouting.....for joy :-)  Do I hear
>heels clicking too......:-)
>
>Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
>78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)
>
>> 71 F250 4wd ( I FOUND THE DONOR PARTS TRUCK FOR THE POWER STEERING AND
GOT
>> THE PARTS FOR FREE! ! ! ! !)
>
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:44:51 GMT
Subject: Re: life is too short....

>I happen to know more about
>everything than you'se guys (just ask me)

I've been trying to tell people that about you for years ;)


Man if I tried to gripe at everyone on the list about all the netiquette (like
etiquitte, but for the network) violations around here I'd have a list that
broke most of the netiquette suggestions, but trimming posts comes to mind quickly
...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:46:40 GMT
Subject: Re: OIL


>do 2 g's on exit ramps, when I sold her - with
>246,825 miles on the OD - all original except clutch, tires

Uhm, those must've been some awesome tires ... but this is also a case of where
the butt dyno doesn't tell the whole story ... ask Jeff what 1.2G's feels like
when you're going around a corner, I can almost guarantee it wasn't quite 2G's
on the exit ramps unless you were hitting that barrier, but I bet it did feel
pretty durned good with that nice light 4cyl up front and a well balanced car
as a result :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:48:45 GMT
Subject: Re: 351W Heads



>I have a 351W in my F250 with the same type heads it's been awhile but I
>believe mine are 68-71 that should put you in the ballpark.

The 69's I have are not adjustable, we tried this adjustment procedure and just
cracked the nuts doing this ... they torque down to about 22ft-lbs if I remember
right, a check of a service manual will verify or deny this I think ...

Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:53:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Thermostat Options



>i HAVE ALWAYS BEEN UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT AN ENG. PERFORMS BEST AT
>BETWEEN 200 AND 210 DEGREES .BUT BECAUSE THAT IS SO CLOSE TO BOILING WE PUT

>LOWER THERM. IN THEIR SO IT DOESN'T BOIL

Something like that.  As a motor heats up the wear on the cylinders is reduced
by quite a bit, that levels off around 200deg or so ... and when things first
started the systems were only holding 5 or 6 psi, so the boiling point was above
the 212, but not as much as now with the 14+ psi that most systems run.  The
boiling is prevented more by the pressure in the system I believe.  The thermostat
itself is rated by full opening spec., so by changing this you're changing the
MINIMUM temp that the system will run at, not the maximum as most think.  Maximum
is determined by the ability of the cooling system, if its not capable then
you have problems ...

> BEING A BIG BLOCK IT WILL RUN HOTTER THAN THAT. NOT LIKE A
>4 BANGER THAT THE THERM. KEEPS OPENING AND CLOSING BECAUSE IT COOLS OFF TO

>QUICK.

Sort of true ... the V configuration has more problems dissipating heat than
the nice inline, so the 6's and 4's both cool off through radiant heat from
the block much better than most V's ... again, this is all generalizations,
there are probably thousands of exceptions to these statements ...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:46:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Dual tanks which ones main?
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> On 73-79 Super cabs and
> 77-79 regular and crew cabs the main tank is at the rear of the bed.  Close
> to 20 gallons each.

I think the rear is 20 gallons (US) and the front is 18.


-- John
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:08:59 GMT
Subject: Re: axle gears     (full of questions today)

Josh wrote:

> Usually it's just the axle u-joint that breaks (especially
> when the wheels
> are turned)  I break these regularly.  The axle shafts do
> break every once
> in a while usually the long side just past the splines where
> the shaft neckes down.

Well since the Vette and Viper don't have these parts, that would explain it
... they have just the center section so no necking on the axleshafts and they
can do what they want with them ... as for the joints, not sure if they're runnin
u-joints or CV joints, either way they're not going as much of an angle as the
front end can go ...

>The difference between a Vette and say a full size pickup or Bronco...

Well that seems slightly duh ... but I know where you're going with this ...



> 2.
>Traction Yes, a modified Vette or Viper may be cranking out 600 hp, but how

>much is actually getting to the pavement.  Rockcrawlers running super low
>gears and Boggers usually have a high degree of traction
and something has
>to give, usually the 44's u joint or the stub axle.  Many of the mud bogging

>failures I've seen with the 44 are due to coming out of a hole under power

>with a wheel or 2 in the air.  The spinning wheel hits the dirt, and again,

>something has to give.

Interesting ... you're breaking parts outside the center section again though
... so its not really a power issue, but a power transmittance ... the axle
shafts and such just aren't putting up with it ... since the Viper and Vette
run the independant rears and such its not an issue for them ... well it is,
but its different parts ... and again you're talking about some serious shock
loading and running power through sharp angles ... all of which the Viper has
trouble mimicking because of its setup ...

Just my $.02
wish

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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: D0VE heads
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:26:25 -0500


Steve writes:  >>Ok one & all, Whats so great about these types of heads ? I've got
access to 2 sets . One set I'm told is 1969 the other is 1970. This guy says
he wants $100.00 per set. Is this a good price ? <<

IMHO - Yes!!  They are fairly High Compression for todays fuels, but I really
like mine.  If you are going to pull or haul heavy loads over long distances,
then I would not recommend them, but for daily commuting, they are A OK.
Not as good as Police or CJ, but the next best..


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Eric Washburn" <bruce9 flash.net>
Subject: Re: Found 70 F100 f/s in Cen. Texas
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:01:45 -0500

Phone number is in Spicewood.

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Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Found 70 F100 f/s in Cen. Texas


Brett-

Where did you see that truck???how far west??

Thanks
Howard

Brett Habben wrote:

> Folks,
> Wasn't someone looking for a 67-72 in Central Texas?  I saw one for sale
> yesterday.  It's a '70 F100 Ranger XLT short/wide bed. 360, 3spd., manual
> everything and no A/C.  It said $2000 on the for sale sign.  Phone number
is
> 512-264-2707 (west of Austin). It's been repainted white fairly recently
and
> looks to be in pretty good shape. It would be worth your time to take a
look
> at it.
> Brett
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:29:25 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: Re: Found 70 F100 f/s in Cen. Texas

I went over and checked it out at lunch. New white paint, looked to be
originally blue. Bed rusted out in the front, but might make a good project
truck for someone.

Howardb

Eric Washburn wrote:

> Phone number is in Spicewood.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Howard Bottles
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:11 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Found 70 F100 f/s in Cen. Texas
>
> Brett-
>
> Where did you see that truck???how far west??
>
> Thanks
> Howard
>
> Brett Habben wrote:
>
> > Folks,
> > Wasn't someone looking for a 67-72 in Central Texas?  I saw one for sale
> > yesterday.  It's a '70 F100 Ranger XLT short/wide bed. 360, 3spd., manual
> > everything and no A/C.  It said $2000 on the for sale sign.  Phone number
> is
> > 512-264-2707 (west of Austin). It's been repainted white fairly recently
> and
> > looks to be in pretty good shape. It would be worth your time to take a ....

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