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61-79-list Digest Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 252

In This Issue:
390 windage plate
Re: Discovery
One of the smartest things I have ever done.....
Re: WD-40 & assembly lube
Re: More Trucks?
Re: One of the smartest things I have ever done.....
Re: Anti-Seize
Fender to cab seal - tricks of the trade
Re: WD-40 & assembly lube
Re: Discovery
Assy lube
Re: WD-40 & assembly lube
l.p. gas(propane) for fuel
Re: l.p. gas(propane) for fuel
Re: l.p. gas(propane) for fuel
Re: l.p. gas(propane) for fuel
Re: l.p. gas(propane) for fuel
460 casting numbers
Re: 460 casting numbers
Re: WD-40 & assembly lube

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From: "J.X. Schulz" <bdijxs bridgetest.com>
Subject: 390 windage plate
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:56:18 -0600

Hey George,

Going turn some high revs, eh?

There's an engine guy in Denver named Rob at Blue Oval Performance (303)
762-8298. I know they're still available as he just put one in an FE he
worked on for me....

Hope this helps!

CJ


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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:52:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Discovery

In a message dated 9/19/00 6:19:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
wish ford-trucks.net writes:

<<  think they also sell PCV hose that works just as well for the air cleaner
... if you really need a bend, they do sell heater hoses with bends in them
... I put a couple of those together to get over to the carb baseplate on my
truck when I put it together ...
 >>
Thanks I will see what is available in preformed heater hose.
Burt Hill

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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: One of the smartest things I have ever done.....
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:56:33 -0500


...was to put in studs for my exhaust manifolds when I was rebuilding the engine. Didn't cost much and I know those bolts have a tendency to get rusted and stuck. I'm sure glad I did that. I also used anti-seize on the threads, putting my headers on should be cake.    : )


---Garrett www.1966ford.com


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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: WD-40 & assembly lube
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:01:12 -0500


I used WD-40 on some engine parts that were going to sit for a while. My favorite engine assembly lube is the purple kind that comes with most camshafts. My machine shop agrees. I have heard Vaseline is good to use in transmissions... but not engines.


---Garrett www.1966ford.com



 ----- Original Message -----
 From: bill poudrier
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:11 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Anti-Seize


 First I just bought a can of Nickle based anti seize compound
 and it is supposed to be much better than the aluminum one, I
 guess I will find out!!! It was over $20 but it was a good
 sized can.

 Secondly what do folks put on freshly machined engine parts
 that may not get assembled right away.  You know rods, journals,
 and cylinder walls.  Maybe WD-40 maybe not?

 Lastly are there any opinions on assembly lube?  Whats your favorites.
 A friend of mine assembles his automatic transmissions with vasaline.

 Bill





 At 03:55 PM 9/18/00 -0700, you wrote:
 >    You should have seen me grinning from ear to ear as I removed the stock
 >exhaust manifolds on my 390 to put headers on. I knew I didn't have to worry
 >about breaking an exhaust bolt because I assembled using Permatex anti-seize
 >compound.
 >
 >Michael
 >~~~~~~~~~~~~
 >
 >
 >> Oh yeah, one more thing, the brand they use at John Deere is called
 >Nevr-Seeze
 >> I believe, I've got a can of it at home and its pretty good stuff ... my
 >girlfriend's
 >> dad gave it to me, he calls it "next guy stuff," cause it helps the next
 >guy
 >> out, and if you're the next guy you'll really appreciate usin it, and hate
 >yourself
 >> if you don't :)
 >>
 >>
 >> Just my $.02
 >> wish
 >
 >



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From: "Travis Johnson" <flatheadv8 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: More Trucks?
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:02:37 MDT

I'm near Logan. Did you get those trucks? Is the '68 for parts or whole? If
it's for parts I wouldn't mind the power steering for my '67/'48 F-250
high-bred.

Travis,
Flatheadv8

"Fords always prosper"

>------------------------------
>From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
>Subject: More Trucks?
>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:36:39 -0700
>    Is anybody near SLC, Utah interested in a 68 F250 or 72 F350 flatbed
>dually? I've just come across a guy that is selling both trucks >because
>they
>are "taking up space". I'm going to go take a look at them, and >probably
>buy
>both. Funny thing is, I don't have room for them!
>BTW: they both have 390's, and the 68 has power steering

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: One of the smartest things I have ever done.....
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:15:19 -0400

also if you use the stud trick--put brass nuts on them,they will come off
easier too.
-----Original Message-----
From: Garrett Nelson <garrettnelson writeme.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 11:05 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] One of the smartest things I have ever done.....


>
>...was to put in studs for my exhaust manifolds when I was rebuilding the
engine. Didn't cost much and I know those bolts have a tendency to get
rusted and stuck. I'm sure glad I did that. I also used anti-seize on the
threads, putting my headers on should be cake.    : )
>
>
>---Garrett www.1966ford.com
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:00:31 -0700
From: John Lord <thelord home.com>
Subject: Re: Anti-Seize

In regards to WD-40, my father worked as a civilian machinist for the canadian armed
forces here on the west coast and out of curiosity he filled up a small jar with WD and
sent it unlabeled to DREP, they analyze items for the armed forces, and the results found
that it contained, mineral oil, water, and alcohol (i assume the latter was to help
evaporate the water), so it really isn't anything special.

As a side not about anti seize some shops get really upset when they find it on your lug
nuts. In fact in some places it is illegal to lube your lug's  A proper shop will torque
lug's to spec's and it calls for a dry torque the wet torque does put a bit more force on
the stud and can cause the m to fail.... ( but i still use anti seize on everything)

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:54:56 -0400
From: "Brice Sample" <sampleb state.mi.us>
Subject: Fender to cab seal - tricks of the trade

I just bought some new seals for my 71.  When I tried to put the fender to cab seals on last night it proved a little more difficult than I anticipated.  (if I only had 10 inch long fingers)  Is there any easy way to put these on without removing the fender?


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: WD-40 & assembly lube
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 06:27:09 -0700

When I rebuilt the 3.8 for my Old, the factory manual (Chiltons and
Haynes too) directed me to pack the oil pump gears with Vaseline to prime
the pump...

-----Original Message-----
From: Garrett Nelson [mailto:garrettnelson writeme.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 8:01 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: WD-40 & assembly lube

I have heard Vaseline is good to use in transmissions... but not engines.



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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:36:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Discovery



>It seems like on FE's at least on my 68 with the stock air cleaner, there is

>a sharp bend.
>

Mine had a short section that went from the valve cover to the side of the air
cleaner ... it was cramped, but I think the hose was just too long to really
do the job ...

I ended up switching to a 69 351 air cleaner and it has the nice curve across
to the front of the housing, so there's no sharp angles there at all ...

I'd guess if you put a high intake and a big spacer plate you might run into
problems ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:45:03 -0500
Subject: Re: WD-40 & assembly lube
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> I have heard Vaseline is good to use in transmissions... but not engines.

I have heard of stuffing oil pumps with petroleum jelly on first assembly.
Not suggesting it, just mentioning it.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Assy lube
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:43:18 -0500


Bill P writes:  >>Lastly are there any opinions on assembly lube?  Whats your favorites.
A friend of mine assembles his automatic transmissions with vasaline.<<

I also use vasoline for assembling autos, but on engines and the places you are
asking about, I use engine oil..Whatever you plan to run after breakin.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:54:14 -0500
Subject: Re: WD-40 & assembly lube
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> When I rebuilt the 3.8 for my Old, the factory manual (Chiltons and
> Haynes too) directed me to pack the oil pump gears with Vaseline to prime
> the pump...

Maybe that's where I got it, too. Gee, I hope there's a cure...

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:53:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Anti-Seize
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> and the results found
> that it contained, mineral oil, water, and alcohol (i assume the latter was to
help
> evaporate the water), so it really isn't anything special.

Well a cake is mainly water, eggs, sugar and flour and I have seen some very
special cakes. It's not always what is in there, but how it is mixed and
prepared.

Has anyone ever found WD40 to be harmful? Why all of this WD40 bashing? I
have found it to be both versatile and economical, but not universal. Oh I
forgot, some of you insist on running synthetic oil, too...

FTE content: I retrieved a coworker with Henry this morning. She was driving
a 99 Tahoe that quit. Henry may be old, but he still runs great.

Flame suit on...having a great time...

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: WD-40 & assembly lube
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:02:39 -0700

There is.  I just sold the Old$ and bought a Continental! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: John LaGrone [mailto:jlagrone ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:54 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: WD-40 & assembly lube


> When I rebuilt the 3.8 for my Old, the factory manual (Chiltons and
> Haynes too) directed me to pack the oil pump gears with Vaseline to prime
> the pump...

Maybe that's where I got it, too. Gee, I hope there's a cure...

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

=

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:20:32 -0500
Subject: Re: WD-40 & assembly lube
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> There is.  I just sold the Old$ and bought a Continental! :)
>snip< directed me to pack the oil pump gears with Vaseline to prime
>> the pump...
>
> Maybe that's where I got it, too. Gee, I hope there's a cure...

In that case, I guess I am now immune.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!



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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:47:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chad Morris <pottymouth2 yahoo.com>
Subject: l.p. gas(propane) for fuel

I read somewhere that l.p. gas is 104 octane.  Does
this mean I could boost compression way up?  It seems
better than paying $3 to $4 a gallon for racing fuel.
L.P is about 75cents per gallon here.  My question
is...how much could I boost compression?  Are there
any places that sell higher C:R pistons for my '78
351M? It has a very low C:R right now, it won't ever
ping when using 87 octane, but its time to rebuild and
give it some more power!!!

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:19:04 -0700
From: John Lord <thelord home.com>
Subject: Re: l.p. gas(propane) for fuel

I build / run propane engines.

Yes propane is 104 octane, there are recommended amounts to raise the
compression depending on what type of application, in a truck pulling
the average load 10.5 to 1 is the highest recommended in the books i
have read.
For a car, as high as 12 to 1 is good.

I myself am running a 351W in a 74 F250 4x4 with 13 to 1 and regret it
on hot days. once you exceed 10 to 1 the heat generated in the
combustion chamber increases exponentially and detonation (ping) and
overheating occurs. The colder you run a propane engine the better 160
deg is the best average thermostat temp, and at 11 to 1 on a hot day
climbing a hill the temp will reach 180. At that point you will start
noticing a loss in power even if the engine isn't pinging. This also
depends on the engine, a 440 dodge can run 13.5 to 1 and pull a 77 4
door new yorker without heating up.
I have found a special thermostat to solve 90% of my heating problems
but it took me 2 years sort it out.


High compression pistons for a 351M are easy to find they aren't a rare
item, your local parts dealer could get some, for cheaper than the race
pistons i usually buy from Keith Black.

You could always keep the low compression pistons run propane and put a
turbo setup on. I have done this and it worked REALLY well.


Keep in mind that a proper propane engine also has hardened exhaust
seats made for propane to prevent the valves from recessing into the
heads. (till the point where the valves are open).


(where i am gas is 78 cents a liter and propane is 38 cents)

Chad Morris wrote:

> I read somewhere that l.p. gas is 104 octane.  Does
> this mean I could boost compression way up?  It seems
> better than paying $3 to $4 a gallon for racing fuel.
> L.P is about 75cents per gallon here.  My question
> is...how much could I boost compression?  Are there
> any places that sell higher C:R pistons for my '78
> 351M? It has a very low C:R right now, it won't ever
> ping when using 87 octane, but its time to rebuild and
> give it some more power!!!
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From: "John Webster" <jwebster tnt21.com>
Subject: Re: l.p. gas(propane) for fuel
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:37:57 -0400

<I build / run propane engines.

When this thread ran last time someone mentioned the adapter for twin
mixers. Has anyone heard of someone making this part now or access to one? I
myself can pay up to $0.80 per litre for regular or just $0.38 per litre for
propane (even cheaper in the city). Also to tie this with another thread, a
nice set of aluminum heads would help get rid of heat with higher
compression and the electric water pump we talked about would help. Also its
recommended you install the heat shield under your intake manifold if you
don't have one already.
(P.S.- Thanks for the input for converting to the two piston caliper set-up,
I'm pricing the parts now)
John
'77 F150 4X4 460/C6/4:11's/33's


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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:30:45 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: l.p. gas(propane) for fuel



John Lord wrote:

> I build / run propane engines.

<snip>
Any websites or books where one could learn about building propane engines
and where to get parts? The idea has crossed my mind a few times.

Gregster

>
>
>
>


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From: "John Webster" <jwebster tnt21.com>
Subject: Re: l.p. gas(propane) for fuel
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:36:20 -0400

Greg,
   I good book that has lots of valuable info is "Propane Fuel Conversions
for Automotive Engines" by S-A Designs, written by Jay Storer. It covers
building an engine for propane, dual-fuel, turbocharging ect.

John
'77 F150 4X4 460/C6/4:11's/33's


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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: 460 casting numbers
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:41:10 -0500


I need some help finding the casting numbers on my 460. Can anyone tell me where to look? Thanks,
Jason Kendrick


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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: 460 casting numbers
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:51:59 -0700

Rear of right cylinder bank...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
To: "Ford 61-79 list" <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:41 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 460 casting numbers


>
> I need some help finding the casting numbers on my 460. Can anyone tell me
where to look? Thanks,




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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: WD-40 & assembly lube
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:18:38 -0400

I have heard of stuffing oil pumps with petroleum jelly on first assembly.
> Not suggesting it, just mentioning it.
>
> -- John
======================================================
On the old buicks that was just about the only way you could get the oil
pump to self prime really was to stuff it full of vaseline otherwise it was
a slow process of trying to prime it other ways then i once used a drill on
one for over a hour to get it primed i dont think it would hurt anything to
use it on pre assembly
gordon ....


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