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61-79-list Digest Sat, 16 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 249

In This Issue:
Re: crank damper bolts
Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners
Re: All this non truck talk! Lets talk '66 F100!
Fw: there's a y-block in it....
Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners
Re: 64-66 Door panels
66 F100 to front disc
tailgates
Re: 66 F100 to front disc
More Trucks?
Re: 64-66 Door panels
Clouds and clouds of white smoke
Re: Clouds and clouds of white smoke
Re: Clouds and clouds of white smoke
Auction 78 F250 Needs help
Re: Auction 78 F250 Needs help
Re: Calling all Inline 6 Guru's
Re: Plastic interior door panels from LMC catalog

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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:51:36 EDT
Subject: Re: crank damper bolts

In a message dated 9/16/00 8:58:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bigred connect.ab.ca writes:

<< On the last couple of 302s I've had to take the front cover off of, the
method
of getting the damper bolt loose I've used is to snap a pair of vise grips on
one flange of the pulley in a way that they'll wedge against the frame rail
or block when I apply the flex bar. >>

Or, you might do what I've done on many occasions.  Place socket and ratchet
or breaker bar on damper bolt.  Then lay the handle on the frame, tie rods,
or what ever will hold, then pull the coil wire and bump the starter.  Works
every time, but you do have to be careful.  In my opinion the air impact does
work best.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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From: "Phil" <imstobu stargate.net>
Subject: Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:49:46 -0400


> I need a little help on a research question on 67 models or on other years
through 72 for that matter.  I have been trying to determine if Ford ever
stamped anything other than "81" for the last two digits of the "body" code
as found on the door tag.  I would really appreciate if anyone who owns one
of these or has access to one would check and share their findings.  Thanks
so much.
>

I just took a look at mine and it says "63" my truck is a 70 F100 shortbed
flairside.

Phil Beattie
63 Mercury Comet
66 Ford F100
70 Ford F100
91 Ford F150 4x4



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From: "Deacon" <deconblu ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: All this non truck talk! Lets talk '66 F100!
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 02:00:22 -0700

From: "Dutch."
> Hey folks! There's too much talk goin' on about stuff that isn't Ford
truck
> talk.

   I don't see a level of off topic post worth complaining about. As a
guess I would say 90+% of the post here are Ford truck related. As much
as I enjoy the information shared on this list I feel without a little
levity from time to time, this list would be a bore. As Gary suggested,
just delete what you have no interest in. I support the black and white
rules on off topic post and I'm thankful for the gray Ken allows us.

> It's getting too tedious and it's drivin' potential contributors away.

   Goodbye!, farewell!, adieu!, au revoir!, auf Wiedersehen!,
arrivederci!, adios!, aloha!, be seeing you!, catch you later!, see you
later!, cheerio!, ciao!, bye-bye!, ta-ta!, so long!, pleasant journey!,
have a good trip!, bon voyage!, God be with you!

> I'm sure talk about government conspiracies etc. has it's place
somewhere
> but this list is not the place.

   I beg to differ. We have stopped many attempts to violate our rights
to own our trucks through emission regulations that would make it nearly
impossible for some of us to afford the cost it would take buying stock
parts that came on 30 or 40 year old vehicles. And other conspiracy
theories have entertained the he** out of me.

> It's not "list cop" mentality.It was just a casual observation.

   Then why wasn't your subject "I hope to upgrade to power steering on
my '66 F100 352 cu in long bed." and casually mention your observation
on non truck related post. Are you not as (if not more) guilty of
generating non truck talk, with your petty grievance, than those you
point your finger?

> I'm in Ireland so any info would be appreciated.

   You live in a country ruled by another and you call yourself
"Dutch". Strange. Very strange indeed. "/

   Hey, I'm just pulling your chain. You gave me a chance to have some
fun and I took it. 8] But I'm still not going to have any Ford truck
content and it's all your fault! Na na na na na.

Later!

Deacon

deconblu ford-trucks.com
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Fw: there's a y-block in it....
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:20:55 -0400

could someone please help this fella out he sounds like he is really
desperate for that tail gate
reply to him  he isnt on this list
thanks
gordon
====================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: <HELLPIG88 aol.com>

> hello all!
>  I KNOW THERE IS A TAILGATE FOR MY TRUCK SOMEWHERE OUT
> THERE,MAYBE,HOPEFULLY,? SO FELLOW Y-BLOCKERS ,MY TRUCK IS A 62'
> FORD,UNI-BODY,F-100(1/2 T.),SHORTBED.I THINK THAT'S ALL THE SPECS.
>  I'M NOT SURE OF WHAT HARDWARE IS NEEDED FOR
> INSTALL/OPPERATION;HINGES,LATCHES,ETC.,  I NEED IT ALL IF AVALABLE, BUT
WILL
> GO APE FOR ANYTHING,I LIVE IN SAN DIEGO,CA,AND AM ON A BUDGET OF SORTS
,(NEW
> WIFE,AND BABY).SO I'M NOT LOOKIN' FOR SHOWCAR COND.,JUST SOMETHING TO
> BONDO,PAINT AND SLAP ON THERE,WITH GREAT CARE,LOVE,AND PRIDE,OF COURSE.SO
I
> CAN PUT MY TONNEAU? COVER ON,THAT'S ALL.THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.E-MAIL ME
> WITH PRICE AND LOCATION.KEEP THE Ys ROLLIN'!!!!!!!!
>                       GREG McCAMBRIDGE
>                       S.D.,CA
>       62'FORD UNIBODY P.U.  292/4-SPEED
>



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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:24:25 EDT
Subject: Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners

Thanks Phil.  It seems that they started using  different body codes on the
door tag perhaps in 1970.  Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Thom
1967 F-Series Registry
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee


In a message dated 9/17/2000 1:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
imstobu stargate.net writes:

>
>  I just took a look at mine and it says "63" my truck is a 70 F100 shortbed
>  flairside.

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:18:45 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: 64-66 Door panels

All this talk about door panels reminds me of a unique feature on the
'65 F100 I once had. I forget now if it was a custom or reg cab as I put
her to rest in 1980 when I bought a '78 F150 4x4. The ditch side door
panel had a zippered "door" made of a plastic-canvas material. Inside
the lower part of the door was a plastic box with holes in the bottom.
Just wondering if anyone else has ever seen/know of this feature. Was it
a rare Ford item or maybe an after-market add-on and what was it
intended for? (Worked good for a beer cooler!) This truck was originally
purchased (new) by our local electric utility co. The truck also had
16x5 five hole wheels, which I still have.

Gregster


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From: "TimS" <tsherva prismnet.com>
Subject: 66 F100 to front disc
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:24:20 -0500


Hi All

Read that tech article on the FTE web site about disc brake conversions
and it said for 65 & 66 use parts from a 74.  Is this the only year or
If I find a 73-79 in the bone yard can I use the I-beam and radius arms
as well.  I'm asking because I think I can save time and back by taking
a torch with me and just cutting the brackets and take the I-beams and
radius arms with all the disc brake hardware intact.

Thanks to All
Tim


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: tailgates
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:27:48 -0400

was anyone able to help the fella find a tailgate for his truck
i hope
gordon


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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: 66 F100 to front disc
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:56:09 -0500

Tim, I would think all years from '73 to '79 would work. I think there was
an issue with the tie rod ends for pre '67 trucks. Double check the tech
article, to be sure.
Jason Kendrick

TimS wrote;



>
> Hi All
>
> Read that tech article on the FTE web site about disc brake conversions
> and it said for 65 & 66 use parts from a 74.  Is this the only year or
> If I find a 73-79 in the bone yard can I use the I-beam and radius arms
> as well.  I'm asking because I think I can save time and back by taking
> a torch with me and just cutting the brackets and take the I-beams and
> radius arms with all the disc brake hardware intact.
>
> Thanks to All
> Tim
>
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From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
Subject: More Trucks?
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:36:39 -0700

   Is anybody near SLC, Utah interested in a 68 F250 or 72 F350 flatbed
dually? I've just come across a guy that is selling both trucks because they
are "taking up space". I'm going to go take a look at them, and probably buy
both. Funny thing is, I don't have room for them!

BTW: they both have 390's, and the 68 has power steering

Michael
danger csolutions.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.csolutions.net/myth/ford/




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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:48:34 EDT
Subject: Re: 64-66 Door panels

In a message dated 9/17/00 7:30:50 AM Central Daylight Time,
greg gregster.com writes:

<< The ditch side door
panel had a zippered "door" made of a plastic-canvas material. Inside
the lower part of the door was a plastic box with holes in the bottom.
Just wondering if anyone else has ever seen/know of this feature. Was it
a rare Ford item or maybe an after-market add-on and what was it
intended for? (Worked good for a beer cooler!) This truck was originally
purchased (new) by our local electric utility co. The truck also had
16x5 five hole wheels, which I still have. >>


Actually, the pocket you mentioned was a factory option.  You had your choice
of getting 1, 2, or zero.  I have 3 64's (two will live, one for parts) and
one of them came with two pockets, the other came with one.  It was just an
ingenious use of otherwise wasted space- a sort of catch-all I suppose.  They
are hard to find still intact.  Out of the three I had, only one was useable.
The plastic tub cracked on a lot of them.

The 16 inch wheels are neat.  you had your choice of 15, 16, and even 16.5-
all with the same bolt pattern.  I have 2 16.5's for anyone who might want
them.

Nate

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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: Clouds and clouds of white smoke
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:17:55 GMT

This is my pickup:
1973 F100 390 true dual exhaust
swapped to 4v cast intake about year ago, had to replace gaskets this spring
because of oil leak at rear of intake, sealed up, ran great.  About two
weeks ago it got rather warm on ONE occasion (never acted up before or after
that), all I can guess is t'stat sticking (may be connected, may not).

Now to my bad day:
I was on my way into town Fri afternoon (about 3 miles) and my pickup
started to miss after about 2 miles.  So I let off to slow down and my eyes
were drawn to the masses of white smoke coming from my exhaust - both sides.
 That's a terrible sight.  Temp and oil guages read normal.

Pulled over and stopped, still missing badly, shut it off.  Everything
seemed normal under hood, but then I saw it, antifreeze running out of my
donut(sp?) gasket on driver's exhaust manifold.  Towed it home and pulled
the plugs - #3 was a little wet, #8 was soaked, rest were fine.  #3 and #8
are connected by an intake runner, so I'm assuming that the water came in
near #8 and ran across the intake to #3 (sound logical?).

Hoped it was a blown gasket or even cracked intake.  Pulled it apart today,
gasket appears good, intake just blocks off that water jacket so probably
not intake.  Looked over intake and #8 ports and water jacket, no apparent
cracks or problems.

What would you do?  Assume it is the intake gasket and put it together and
try it?  Or go to the extra expense and time to pull the heads and have them
checked?

This is my daily driver so I am anxious to get it going again.  And I have
limited funds (like everyone), this stuff always happens when money is
tight.

What would you suggest?

Marty

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From: "Keith" <A2JKEITH GCI.NET>
Subject: Re: Clouds and clouds of white smoke
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:18:02 -0800

Well Marty my suggestion is, Better safe then Sorry. If it is just a gasket
you could save yourself alot of money by doing it now (as far as head
gaskets and heads) then waiting untill the thing blows up on you and ya
gotta replace alot more then just the gaskets know what I mean?
Best of luck to ya,
Keith
1971 F250 4wd
1981 Ford Courier
-----Original Message-----
From: MARTY COLMAN <colman76 hotmail.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Sunday, September 17, 2000 3:19 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Clouds and clouds of white smoke


>This is my pickup:
>1973 F100 390 true dual exhaust
>swapped to 4v cast intake about year ago, had to replace gaskets this
spring
>because of oil leak at rear of intake, sealed up, ran great.  About two
>weeks ago it got rather warm on ONE occasion (never acted up before or
after
>that), all I can guess is t'stat sticking (may be connected, may not).
>
>Now to my bad day:
>I was on my way into town Fri afternoon (about 3 miles) and my pickup
>started to miss after about 2 miles.  So I let off to slow down and my eyes
>were drawn to the masses of white smoke coming from my exhaust - both
sides.
>  That's a terrible sight.  Temp and oil guages read normal.
>
>Pulled over and stopped, still missing badly, shut it off.  Everything
>seemed normal under hood, but then I saw it, antifreeze running out of my
>donut(sp?) gasket on driver's exhaust manifold.  Towed it home and pulled
>the plugs - #3 was a little wet, #8 was soaked, rest were fine.  #3 and #8
>are connected by an intake runner, so I'm assuming that the water came in
>near #8 and ran across the intake to #3 (sound logical?).
>
>Hoped it was a blown gasket or even cracked intake.  Pulled it apart today,
>gasket appears good, intake just blocks off that water jacket so probably
>not intake.  Looked over intake and #8 ports and water jacket, no apparent
>cracks or problems.
>
>What would you do?  Assume it is the intake gasket and put it together and
>try it?  Or go to the extra expense and time to pull the heads and have
them
>checked?
>
>This is my daily driver so I am anxious to get it going again.  And I have
>limited funds (like everyone), this stuff always happens when money is
>tight.
>
>What would you suggest?
>
>Marty
>
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Clouds and clouds of white smoke
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:48:47 -0400

What would you do?  Assume it is the intake gasket and put it together and
> >try it?  Or go to the extra expense and time to pull the heads and have
> them
> >checked?

> >Marty
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________________
HI MARTY
Well you didnt say if there was water on the top of the head where it seals
to the intake OR if it was dry there or what
if its dry on top of the valves it is most likely a head then and a cracked
seat i would think if its all wet where the intake seals to the head try a
new set of gaskets i assume it hasnt been cold enough YET for it to have
froze up and busted anything tho
gordon


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From: "Dawn Chere" <dawnchere ados.com>
Subject: Auction 78 F250 Needs help
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:41:09 -0700


Ok believe it or not.... I got the axle and that big tire on by myself (pat on the back) I even managed to figure out how to put a distributor on, the solenoid (sorry know the spelling wrong) was pretty self explanatory (my husband had to come back to the house for a phone interview).  When he got back all he had to do was help with the electrical stuff electronic ignition and that stuff.  Well long story short it was trying to turn over by the end of Friday.

Didn't get it running though and a very nice tow truck man cut me a deal of $50 to flat bed it the 28 miles home.  Ok I just redid the axle (cause I didn't have any grease at the time)

Is there a way to check to see if the electronic ignition stuff is ok or if I need to replace it I did buy a universal ignition switch but I think I'll let Tom deal with that ( I don't mind mechanical but electrical drives me nuts)

Other than fluids Ideas on need to checks?
Oh and as your facing the truck with the hood open on the left side wall closer to the fire wall than the starter there are two or three bolt holes what goes there? I cant figure it out even with the haynes manual

Dawn Chere
'78 F 100
'78 F 250 XLT


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From: "Dawn Chere" <dawnchere ados.com>
Subject: Re: Auction 78 F250 Needs help
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:47:17 -0700

BTW Tom says it has a 460 engine in it.

Dawn Chere

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From: Dawn Chere <dawnchere ados.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 6:41 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Auction 78 F250 Needs help


>
> Ok believe it or not.... I got the axle and that big tire on by myself
(pat on the back) I even managed to figure out how to put a distributor on,
the solenoid



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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Calling all Inline 6 Guru's
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:49:12 -0700


>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I have got a 66 F-100 with a 240 CI In line 6 that my dad
> bought new 2-17-66.  It has 106,000 original miles on it.  As
> far as I can remember, the engine has never been touched
> other than to do a normal maintenance, water pump, set the
> valves.  Nothing major has been done to the engine.
>
> Now for the problem.  I was on the freeway going to work
> Monday when I heard a loud "pop" come from the engine.  As
> soon as it popped, the engine died and would not restart.
> Got it towed home and finally got a chance to look at it
> tonight.  I noticed that the coil wire wasn't down all the
> way into the distributor cap.  Pulled the coil wire and
> noticed that the end was black.  I took the distributor cap
> off and turned the engine over with the starter.  The rotor
> didn't turn at all!  I am still planning on running a
> compression check just to see what else may be wrong.  I
> haven't removed the distributor yet either.
>
> 1. What else should I check and/or look out for?
>
> 2. Is there anything else I should replace while I am
> replacing the distributor?
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
> Keith Srb
> with a wounded 240 In line 6
> www.60sfords.com
>

Keith,
Check the distributor for a sheared roll pin in the dist gear.
Could also be a broken timing set
I have also heard of debris in the oil pump causing it to sieze and then
shear the roll pin in the dist.

Tom H

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From: "Dawn Chere" <dawnchere ados.com>
Subject: Re: Plastic interior door panels from LMC catalog
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:04:43 -0700

OK I give up I read all the LMC catalog emails and there isn't an address or
webpage for getting one. . . I know that I need at least one of them plastic
door panels for my F250 so if you could be kind to this very tired woman I
would appreciate a webpage or address so I know how to get my hands on a
catalog.

Thanks
Dawn Chere
'78 F 100
'78 F 250 XLT
----- Original Message -----
From: Garrett Nelson <garrettnelson writeme.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 11:04 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Plastic interior door panels from LMC catalog


>
> Correct me if I am wrong
[snip]>
>
> ---Garrett www.1966ford.com
>



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