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61-79-list Digest Thu, 14 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 245

In This Issue:
Re: Cheater Bars
Re: Hydrogen power for anyone
Re: Hydrogen power for anyone
headers for a 65 fleetside with a 351c
Re: Crossover Pipe for Dual Exhaust in 69 F250
Re: headers for a 65 fleetside with a 351c
Re: Hydrogen power for anyone
Re: Hydrogen power for anyone
Re: Run To The Rock
Re: Cheater Bars
Re: Cheater Bars
Re: 400 Dyno Results
Re: Thick Header Flanges
Re: 400 dyno results
Re: Crossover Pipe for Dual Exhaust in 69 F250
Re: 400 dyno results
I have some great beachfront property in Arizona
Re: Cheater Bars
Re: Heater not heating in Alaska
Re: I have some great beachfront property in Arizona
Re: Cheater Bars
Re: Cheater Bars
Re: Heater not heating in Alaska
Re: October 4-Whl&Off-Rd, Thermostat question
Re: 400 dyno results

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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Cheater Bars
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:38:11 -0700

I have never seen a grade 8 transmission pan bolt myself.
Great post, tho...

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary [mailto:gpeters3 lni.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:25 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Cheater Bars


Ok, it's really quite simple.  I grade 8 bolt will handle so much torque and
so much stretch before it becomes permanently damaged.  Torque specs take
this into account and leave some room for error.

Your transmission pan bolt probably had been over tightened at the factory
and was already damaged.   You would not beleive what they do sometimes to
get stuff down the line........


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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:56:10 -0600
From: Harry Vermillion <north40 verinet.com>
Subject: Re: Hydrogen power for anyone

The gregster wrote:

>Be very careful with this kinda stuff. The oil companies and gov
agencies DO NOT
>LIKE this! As a couple examples: ( I forget the exact dates) In the
40's, a
>canadian named Pogue (I think) invented a vaprorizer carb that got 200
MPG in a V8
>Ford. Where is this carb today??  -- The Model T engine was designed
with holes in
>the bell housing which would except cow magnets. Once the engine was
started, it
>would run with no fuel due to magnetic forces. A couple guys once
demonstrated
>this at a alternative energy exibit. That evening, these 2 guys were
found, car
>ran of the road, their throats slit and the engine missing. I'll find
that article
>an post it. -- In the 50's, Rory Johnson invented an electro-magnetic
motor the
>size af a 20" truck rim that produced around 500 HP. Both johnson and
his motor
>mysteriously disappeared.

   Sounds like the stuff you used to read about newspaper guys who
became Freemasons just to expose them. My wife's uncle went to the SOHIO
(Standard Oil of Ohio) station managers' training in Cleveland back in
the 50's.  He said the first few days he was trying to get his schedule
right and didn't have time to look in the trophy cases lining the halls,
thinking that somebody's got a lot of time for sports around there.

   When he could slow down to look, all the "trophies" were
carburetors.  Seems any time someone came up with something more
efficient, Mr. Rockefeller would make them an offer they couldn't refuse
and add another trophy to his collection.  I've always thought that this
government that is supposed to protect us and the environment should
liberate those ideas in the interest of the people, especially after all
the OPEC hikes and gas "shortages".

   But then again, I've read where royalties on the processes used to
refine Aviation Gas were paid by the British to the Germans and patent
rights on vehicle designs were paid by the Germans to Amaerican
corporations during WWII.  "War may be waged but high finance continues,
even between combatants,"  I think was the phrase.

   Why? Money.

   Anybody hear of a gas turbine you could drop in a light PU?

--
Harry E. Vermillion
6323 East County Road 74
Carr, CO 80612
E-mail:    north40 verinet.com
"If you think you're going through hell, keep going."  - Winston
Churchill


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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:46:53 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Hydrogen power for anyone



Gary wrote:

> This is all very nice but if you do the chemistry and physics research on
> the power input vs the power potential output of this method I think you
> will find that you need an auxilary Power unit to run the generator and you
> will actually use more energy producing the hydrogen than you will get back
> out of the hydrogen you produce........

I think it requires 2 amps but I could be mistaken.

Darrell (and anyone else interested): heres a URL to a guy who's done this with
his "Joe Cell"
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/jorgone.htm

I have more URL's on this. If anyone wants them email me off list.

Gregster
'77 F250 Explorer 4x4

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:11:56 -0700
From: Negative Image <negativeimage earthlink.net>
Subject: headers for a 65 fleetside with a 351c

anyone know where i can pick up a set of headers for my 351c, but will
still fit in my 65 fleetside?

--
Andrew Rolfsen
1965 Ford F100 Fleetside
1968 Mercury Cougar
1966 Plymouth Fury III



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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: Crossover Pipe for Dual Exhaust in 69 F250
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:34:56 -0700

Yes you did hear that here and it is a neat trick...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: "J.X. Schulz" <bdijxs bridgetest.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:55 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Crossover Pipe for Dual Exhaust in 69 F250


> Wasn't it here that I read that to find the right place, first install the
> headers, then spray some spray paint on the pipes directly behind the
> collectors, and then look for the spots on each pipe that burns the
> fastest?????
>
> I'm not sure what this all means, but it sounded like a neat trick!




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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: headers for a 65 fleetside with a 351c
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:41:02 -0700

Try Sanderson, they make 351C shorty headers:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.centuryperformance.com/Sanderson/index.htm

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Negative Image" <negativeimage earthlink.net>
To: "ford truck list" <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:11 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] headers for a 65 fleetside with a 351c


> anyone know where i can pick up a set of headers for my 351c, but will
> still fit in my 65 fleetside?




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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:56:27 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Hydrogen power for anyone




>
>
>     When he could slow down to look, all the "trophies" were
> carburetors.  Seems any time someone came up with something more
> efficient, Mr. Rockefeller would make them an offer they couldn't refuse
> and add another trophy to his collection.  I've always thought that this
> government that is supposed to protect us and the environment should
> liberate those ideas in the interest of the people, especially after all
> the OPEC hikes and gas "shortages".

Exactly. Whenever someone invented a device that could help save the economy
and environment, it's labeled "disruptive to the economy". But we all know
who/what it really disrupts! The US Patent Office holds hundreds of
gas-saving device patents ... 99% never made it to market.

Here's the story of Henry Ford fighting back with his Model T "cow magnet"
bell housing:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://216.60.190.54/energy/ford.htm

Here's some guys running small engines on waste oil with near 0% pollution:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geet.com/index2.htm

Gregster
'77 F250 Explorer 4x4

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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Hydrogen power for anyone
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:19:37 -0700

I don't want to get too far off topic , but remember the end of "Raiders of
the Lost Ark"?
The Ark of the Covenant was placed in a wooden box and stored in an immense
Government warehouse...
I absolutely believe stuff like that happens all the time.

Gotta go, the guys in the black Suburbans (they should use Excursions - FTE
content!) are sitting outside again.

>
>
>     When he could slow down to look, all the "trophies" were
> carburetors.  Seems any time someone came up with something more
> efficient, Mr. Rockefeller would make them an offer they couldn't refuse
> and add another trophy to his collection.  I've always thought that this
> government that is supposed to protect us and the environment should
> liberate those ideas in the interest of the people, especially after all
> the OPEC hikes and gas "shortages".

Exactly. Whenever someone invented a device that could help save the economy
and environment, it's labeled "disruptive to the economy". But we all know
who/what it really disrupts! The US Patent Office holds hundreds of
gas-saving device patents ... 99% never made it to market.

Here's the story of Henry Ford fighting back with his Model T "cow magnet"
bell housing:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://216.60.190.54/energy/ford.htm

Here's some guys running small engines on waste oil with near 0% pollution:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geet.com/index2.htm

Gregster
'77 F250 Explorer 4x4


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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:24:29 -0500
Subject: Re: October 4-Whl&Off-Rd, Thermostat question
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> I've now lived in Alaska for 31 years, the last 10 in Fairbanks. Winter
> fronts and cardboard are therefore SOP with me. I've owned/operated a
> lot of vehicles in that time, though this is my first Ford - sorry. This
> is the first one that I've not been able to warm up. It even gets the
> garage while my wife's new byew-ick stays outside. If I didn't garage
> the darn thing I'd be a popsicle (exaggeration) and the windows would
> frost over (reality). The wife refuses to ride with me in the winter -
> she thinks lap blankets and nose mittens are a bit much when she could
> be warm in her car. Friends have threatened to bring fire wood
> (tempting) and my dog prefers to stay home(I miss his body heat).
>
> Ray

Ray, maybe we overlooked the obvious. Is your heater control valve stuck
shut?

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:44:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Hydrogen power for anyone
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

>    When he could slow down to look, all the "trophies" were
> carburetors.  Seems any time someone came up with something more
> efficient, Mr. Rockefeller would make them an offer they couldn't refuse
> and add another trophy to his collection.  I've always thought that this
> government that is supposed to protect us and the environment should
> liberate those ideas in the interest of the people, especially after all
> the OPEC hikes and gas "shortages".

There is only one big problem with liberating these ideas and it is an
economic issue. If Pogue's 200 mpg carb were to be marketed successfully by,
say Ford, who would buy all of the Hondas? General's junk? Even if all car
makers got the technology, world oil consumption would be cut drastically,
and gasoline prices would increase so much that the oil companies profits
would remain the same. My 79 F150 would become a lawn ornament. A vehicle
that gets 10 mpg cannot operate in a 200 mpg world. As long as these
inventions remain novelties, they don't upset the economy. When they become
mainstream technology, the change can be over whelming. Ask IBM about the
desktop PC.

BTW, I tried to build a Pogue carb from the information in a magazine
article from I think Popular Mechanics. Like a secret recipe, there was just
enough key information missing to keep me from finishing the project. It
also involved vaporizing liquid gasoline in the engine compartment. I was
cowardly to say the least. A friend of mine said he saw one of these carbs
on a 77 Cadillac DeVille that worked. This was late 70s time frame. Sorry, I
don't have a clue where the article is anymore.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:11:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Cheater Bars
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> There is a torque specified for lug nuts and it is a good idea to use it if
> you can but as long as you don't over do it they will stay on most of the
> time.....I've never lost a lug nut in my life

I have. Knotheads at the tire shop didn't torque two of them down at all.

>and never had a stud break on
> any vehicle I've had.

I have. Previous person cross threaded the nut on installation. My brother
has. Broke three of six on one wheel while driving down the road unloaded.
Cause: unknown.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:57:13 EDT
Subject: Re: Run To The Rock

In a message dated 09/13/2000 3:08:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
EffieFrd aol.com writes:

<< Its on the main road in Chimney Rock, at the community center, on Lake
Lure.
You can't miss it.  Just look for all the Ford trucks.  :o)   >>

Thanks Mel! I will get the old map out and bring it too.

Hope to meet you at the show.

Rollie

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From: Brazzadog aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:55:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Cheater Bars

> From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
>  Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:24:36 -0700
>
>  Ok, it's really quite simple.  I grade 8 bolt will handle so much torque
and
(snip)

You're right, that was simple.  Thanks.

Ben Williams
'71 Wagoneer
'78 F-250 4x4
'88 Bronco

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:07:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Cheater Bars

>>and never had a stud break on
>> any vehicle I've had.
>
>I have. Previous person cross threaded the nut on installation. My brother

>has. Broke three of six on one wheel while driving down the road unloaded.

>Cause: unknown.
>

Now John, I think we all know the cause ... 6 lugs can mean one of several things,
but we all know it means it wasn't a Ford ;)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:14:09 -0700
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: 400 Dyno Results



Scott Hall wrote:
>
> some 427 blocks probably cost more than that whole setup.

one is/was on ebay for $2,700.00 the other day...

make mine Cleveland powered ...  better yet 460+ c.i.  :-)

dPrasse

>

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From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Thick Header Flanges
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:39:26 -0700 (PDT)

Gary wrote:
> Price :-)  Equal length is equal length is equal length...... The main
> differences are in the coatings and flange thickness and some have
> fancier collectors but the equal length is what gets you the tune,
> anything else you do to it is window dressing. (except for the thicker
> flange, that's definitely the way to go)

I know everyone says thicker flanges are better, but everytime someone
says this I've wanted to ask why.  I guess this is my chance.

When my Sanderson's came (3/8" flanges) I held one up to the head.  Lo
and behold, the sealing surfaces were not flat.  Granted, it was only
off by maybe 0.030" across the head,  I put some bolts in and by merely
finger tightening the flange flattened right out.  3/8" steel with holes
in it is not that stiff.

So what are you gaining with the thick flange?  On an FE where you have
two bolts centered over each port I think a thick flange could only serve
to keep you from getting a good seal if it was not straight, where a
thinner one would allow each port to find it's own way flat.

Back in the '70s they used to recommend cutting the flanges between the
tubes to get a better seal.  Not only that but Appliance Headers, remember
them?, made their's with a seperate flange for each tube.

So the only advantage I see with the thick flanges is they don't bend at
the bolt holes when you crank down on them.

Anyway, I am sure I am just thinking about this too much, but I would like
to know what you guys would say about this.

I can tell you one thing.  Silver ceramic coated headers with thick
flanges really look good on a blue engine.


Mark in Southwest Washington
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html
--
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4x4
in digest mode

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:01:16 -0700
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: 400 dyno results



Eric Washburn wrote:
>I  would never suggest a 351C for a truck. They're high horsepower, mid
>torque  engines that don't see the power band till you get up in R's,
>then HOLD ON!

I would!!  I replaced a Boss '9 in my '66 F250 with a 351C,

enough power to haul ss , but just weak enough down low to save my
tires  :-)

it has 4.56 rear with truck 4 sp.  stay in 3rd gear on an on-ramp ...
the 40 -70 mph excelleration is AWESOME!!

With the truck 4sp , it also is useable on the farm.

dave Prasse


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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:04:05 -0700
From: William King <kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Crossover Pipe for Dual Exhaust in 69 F250

Uh huh,
My library of Hot Rods and Car Crafts (published by the mucho maligned
Petersen Publishing) suggested spraying a line of paint (on the exhaust
pipe) from the exhaust manifold (or header) towards the tailpipe, and then
running the engine.  They said that the proper spot for a crossover pipe
was at the spot where the paint stopped burning.  This was printed a couple
of times in the collection of HRs and CCs I have.

Speaking of Petersen...after I bought my truck and joined this list (and
thus learned to whorship at the altar of FE greatness), I checked my old
HRs and CCs for build-up articles on FEs.  My collection spans 1986 to
1992, but they only published one buildup (about 4 pages on a 390, which
was part of a Mopar 383, GM 396, Ford 390 article).  It's probably better
that everyone DOESN'T know about the FE's.  Easier for us to find 'em for
cheap...

Ohio Bill

>>Wasn't it here that I read that to find the right place, first install the
>>headers, then spray some spray paint on the pipes directly behind the
>>collectors, and then look for the spots on each pipe that burns the
>>fastest?????
>>
>
>CJ, that's what I was thinkin too ...


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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:05:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Cheater Bars
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Now John, I think we all know the cause ... 6 lugs can mean one of several
things,
> but we all know it means it wasn't a Ford ;)

I wondered if anyone would catch that. Nope, none of them were on Fords. One
Buick, one Chebby, one GMC.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:08:31 -0400
From: Joe <shoman p3.net>
Subject: Re: 400 dyno results

Were's that Boss 429 at???????
Joe

dave Prasse wrote:

> Eric Washburn wrote:
> >I  would never suggest a 351C for a truck. They're high horsepower, mid
> >torque  engines that don't see the power band till you get up in R's,
> >then HOLD ON!
>
> I would!!  I replaced a Boss '9 in my '66 F250 with a 351C,
>
> enough power to haul ss , but just weak enough down low to save my
> tires  :-)
>
> it has 4.56 rear with truck 4 sp.  stay in 3rd gear on an on-ramp ...
> the 40 -70 mph excelleration is AWESOME!!
>
> With the truck 4sp , it also is useable on the farm.
>
> dave Prasse
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:31:10 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: I have some great beachfront property in Arizona

<sarcasm on>
Combined, billions have been spent by Ford fuel cell technology, Honda on electrics, GM on 2 strokes... in an effort to produce fuel efficiency.  Yet someone they managed to miss this magical Model T device, the carb that runs on cow poop, and the water engine.... I'm going to give Ford a call and tell their engineers with Ph.D.s in physics that they're a bunch of idiots and some schmuck in the hills of West Virginia has figured it out for them.
<sarcasm off>

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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:32:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Cheater Bars

Ironically, in early years through the mid 60's, the F350's had 6 lug rims!

Thom
1967 F-Series Registry
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

> > Now John, I think we all know the cause ... 6 lugs can mean one of several
>  things,
>  > but we all know it means it wasn't a Ford ;)

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Heater not heating in Alaska
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:39:34 -0400

b) I mistyped there, they didn't put them in the heatercores themselves,
they
> put them in the heater hoses just outside the heatercore.

> wish
==========================
the mercury is a 88 grand marquis and there is NO restrictor anywheres in
the heater circuit and when its real cold it doesnt put out much heat either
and the i removed the original hoses from it myself so MAYBE they didnt put
the restricters in all of the models
gordon


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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: I have some great beachfront property in Arizona
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:44:37 -0700

Ken, I'm really interested in that property.  If there's a boat ramp,
consider it sold! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne [mailto:kpayne ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 1:31 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] I have some great beachfront property in Arizona


<sarcasm on>
Combined, billions have been spent by Ford fuel cell technology, Honda on
electrics, GM on 2 strokes... in an effort to produce fuel efficiency.  Yet
someone they managed to miss this magical Model T device, the carb that runs
on cow poop, and the water engine.... I'm going to give Ford a call and tell
their engineers with Ph.D.s in physics that they're a bunch of idiots and
some schmuck in the hills of West Virginia has figured it out for them.
<sarcasm off>


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Cheater Bars



>Ironically, in early years through the mid 60's, the F350's had 6 lug rims!

>

6 not 8 ?  We had a 66 F250, and I know it had 8 on it ... though I can imagine
the 50's Fords having 6's ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:40:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Cheater Bars

Yes 6 not 8.  The f250 class still had the 8 lug, but, believe it or not, the
heavier F350 class actually had only 6 lugs!

Thom
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In a message dated 9/14/2000 5:37:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wish ford-trucks.net writes:

> 6 not 8 ?  We had a 66 F250, and I know it had 8 on it ... though I can
> imagine
>  the 50's Fords having 6's ...

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:46:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Heater not heating in Alaska

>the mercury is a 88 grand marquis and there is NO restrictor anywheres in
>the heater circuit and when its real cold it doesnt put out much heat either

>and the i removed the original hoses from it myself so MAYBE they didnt put

>the restricters in all of the models


I find that hard to believe, especially since you've got a full size, this was
discovered on the Police vehicles which are known for running higher revs for
longer periods and such, and slowly became standard equipment.  I would've thought
they were only for the high-performance vehicles with the 5.0's and 5.8's, but
since I found one in my sister's 87 3.8L V6 Cougar, I really doubt they discriminated
as to which vehicles have them ...

Lots of people have missed them over the years, sometimes they're tucked up
in the middle of the hose and you just don't notice it ... I happened to read
about it in a magazine and thought to look for it before I tossed the old one
... good thing too.

If you're havin problems with heating you might check the salvage yard and see
if you can find one, maybe it'll help you out.
Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Shynkaruk, Steve" <Steve.Shynkaruk wilcom.com>
Subject: Re: October 4-Whl&Off-Rd, Thermostat question
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:52:41 -0500

Hey all. I've been a list lurker for some time and finally feel there is a
topic I can confidently comment on. I used to live on the prairies in Canada
( now in Dallas ) and I consistently covered my grill with what we called a
weather front. Now there are companies, Lund I believe, that make custom
inserts for the grill so that it doesn't look like you've hung a blanket on
the front of your truck. I'm soooo glad I have to worry about cooling now
instead trying to keep the thing warm !!

Steve Shynkaruk


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beyer [mailto:bbeyer99 home.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 09:35 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: October 4-Whl&Off-Rd, Thermostat question


Anyplace where the weather gets that cold it's a very good idea to cover the
front of the radiator to prevent airflow through it. If you live in
Fairbanks then I'm sure they sell covers for the grill of the truck there, I
can't remember what they're called off hand, but you can find them at the
parts stores. They're usually made of vinyl and they're not just there for
looks. In sub freezing weather your radiator will dissipate more than enough
heat without any airflow through it and the engine will run warmer and the
heater will function better.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Christensen" <rchristn ptialaska.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:58 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] October 4-Whl&Off-Rd, Thermostat question


> In the 'October 4-Whl&Off-Rd' issue, the 'Winter Preparedness' article
> states, "Many people install a 180- or 160-degree thermostat to improve
> performance. However, in cold weather your radiator won't be able to
> retain enough heat to allow the engine to come up to temperature, let
> alone work the heater. . . ." I'm a bit flummoxed. Are they saying to
> put in a colder thermostat to get the engine temperature up? This might
> be obvious to you experts, but I haven't got a clue. Anyone know the
> recommended thermostat for my truck?
>
> I purchased my 79 F150 with 300 I-6 two years ago and have froze both
> Fairbanks winters.  I run a 195-degree thermostat as did the previous
> owner. I have had the system flushed, switched heater hoses (they were
> backwards in the beginning), and tested/changed the thermostat four
> times during my ownership.
>
> The heater works just fine down to say zero to +10F degrees keeping the
> cab plenty warm. However, get below zero degrees (remember, I'm in
> Fairbanks) and it is a different story. If it gets to -25 or lower the
> heater is blowing luke warm air and the engine temperature doesn't even
> get up to the "normal" range.



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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:07:16 -0700
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: 400 dyno results ....


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