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61-79-list Digest Tue, 12 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 240

In This Issue:
Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd?
Re: Update: Tightening bearings, hubs & shocks
Re: Intermit Wipers
Re: Bellhousings
Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd?
Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd?
Re: anyone have a website about how awesome 390'
FW: Re: anyone have a website about how awesome 390'
Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd?
Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd?
Re: Locked up engine (Leverage)
Re: Locked up engine (Leverage)
Re: Breaker Bar
Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd? & Ford PS boxes
Call for help from 1967 Owners
Amp discharge and lost electrical on 65 F-100
Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd? & Ford PS boxes
Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners
Re: Amp discharge and lost electrical on 65 F-100
Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners
Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners
Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners
400 Dyno Results
Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners
Re: 400 Dyno Results
power window kit
Re: power window kit
Re: power window kit

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:32:16 GMT
Subject: Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd?



>You should send a copy of that to those Morons at 4 wheel and off-road for

>their FE bashing.  That really got under my skin.  Let them have their bowtie

>powered tipsy jeeps.  Just hope they dont look to upset when the F-350
>wrecker with a 390 pulls em out and takes em home.
>

Okay, so all the off-road magazines are like that ?  I picked up a copy yesterday
because of the red 79 4x4 on the cover, haven't followed the truck rags ever
very intently.  I opened it up and the story starts about how all the right
parts are installed from the factory, then goes on to talk about how the p/s
system leaks and the best part of the truck is the 800 watt stereo he's got
installed (actually they said amp, but I doubt that's what they meant) ...


Are they just jealous ?  I mean they were talkin about how awful the FE was,
but even Carrie playing devil's advocate had to admit that they must've been
ignoring everything pre-72 to come up with half of their statements.

Also, for you M devotee's out there, is it a bit of a stretch to claim 300hp
from a cammed 400 with a whopping 8.25:1 compression ?  I don't doubt its possible,
but it sounds like quite a stretch with that compression ratio ...

Man, guess I'll stick to getting all my FT info from this list and my own experiences,
seems the only way to get reliable info.

There was one good thing in there ... it showed me how to convert my friend's
Jeep to a regular axle instead of the goofy center disconnect :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Erik Marquez" <bronco78 alaska.com>
Subject: Re: Update: Tightening bearings, hubs & shocks
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:57:36 -0800


-----Original Message-----
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: [61-79-list] Update: Tightening bearings, hubs & shocks


>
>THINGS I'M NOT SURE ABOUT:
>Should I be worried about those metal filings? How much grease do you pack
>into a hub when you're repacking it?
>


o If your sure the bearings and races were serviceable then I'd say no.

o Grease- Hub.....Locking?? If so, then none. The locking hub really needs
no grease, just a light coat of lube  to keep it from rusting, corroding and
allow friction free movement of the locking device during operation.

If your are talking about the wheel hub bearings.. Then my opinion is to
fully pack the wheel bearings them self, leaving a hefty amount on the back
side of the bearing as you install..no need to "fill" the void in the hub
between the bearings. As I install the outer bearing, but before the first
lock ring, I pack the small gap between the bearing and hub, then install
all locking rings and nut. Adjust the lock nut and locking ring position
till 0.001 - 0.010" axial free play is achieved,,,,,, working towards the
tight end of the scale as much as possible.

Erik Marquez
bronco78 alaska.com
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Home of the BB decal


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:01:11 -0500
Subject: Re: breaker bar
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Is that all you say to your self if its the last bolt of 18 to pull and all
> the rest were fine, just happens the the one that did break is the only one
> you cant drill and tap?????  Those are the days that make cold beer a
> valuable comodity.

Darrell, how did you know what always happens to me? I have started carrying
a big hammer and a cold chisel.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael (Cut me and I'll bleed FORD Blue) Whittington" <broncoman85 excite.com>
Subject: Re: Intermit Wipers

I put a Int. wiper switch in my 69 out of a 78 by using the switch and
control box. Had to cut the shaft down 3/4 of an inch and grind a flat side
about 1/2 inch down for the knob. Used the sheetmetal spacer from behind the
dash off the 78 switch and if I rem. right the nut and bezel from the 78
(did this about 4 years ago not sure I rem. exactly, old age its a sad
thing) After I finally found a used switch and box the ford dealership here
told me they could get it for $40.
Whit
77 F250 4X4 20 inchs lift 800 horse 429 44 Boggers
75 F100 460
78 Bronco 11 inchs lift stock 351M 44 Gumbos
69 F100 302
76 F250 Dual wheels 390 Tow Truck
85 Bronco 302





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From: "Chris Samuel" <fourmuelz email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Bellhousings
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:44:22 -0700

-> From: "Brandon Neighbors" <mrb910 hotmail.com>
-> Subject: Bellhousings
-> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:36:24 GMT

-> FTE,

-> Does anyone happen to know the bellhousing index on a 390?  I was not
even
-> familiar with the term index until I started looking at the Advance
-> Adapters page.  Their NV4500 adapter "fits any standard Ford bellhousing
-> 4.848" index."  I don't even know what the index on a bellhousing is.
Any
-> info would be appreciated.

-> Very respectfully,

-> Brandon Neighbors

The "index" it the diameter of the center hole that the pilot bearing
housing, "indexes" into the bellhousing in. Or to put it another way, it is
the big hole on the Trans side of the bellhousing.
I can not tell you if the 390 or "FE" housing has the 4.848 inches in
Diameter because I don't have one to go measure. There ain't much that is
more standard Ford then a "FE" in a truck so it should be that size.
But, this Dim is an easy one to make bigger or smaller. Bigger you just
have the machine shop bore it out, smaller you just press fit a bushing of
the correct size.
What is AA quoting their price for a NV4500 at these days?

CS AKA: Muel
79 Bronco 411ci
75 Highboy 429ci
Member AFTE
Member SAE
Member AWS



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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:53:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Hall <sch8489 garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd?

On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, wish wrote:

> Also, for you M devotee's out there, is it a bit of a stretch to claim 300hp
> from a cammed 400 with a whopping 8.25:1 compression ?  I don't doubt its possible,
> but it sounds like quite a stretch with that compression ratio ...

I dunno about that compression ratio, but another list I'm on just posted
a set of *huge* numbers for a cammed 400 in a pantera.  it had webers, but
still...

give me a couple minutes and I'll dig up that post--it's turned me on to
400s.

scott


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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd?
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:15:33 -0700

Yeah I think it is a stretch to claim that kind of HP out of a 400 without
bumping the c.r. and flat top pistons with an 8.25:1 ratio? What's the
point? Of course the piece de resistance...they call it a 400M...arrgh! They
don't dyno these rigs so they just take whatever the owner says he thinks it
is and print it.

As far as are they all like that? Well I've subscribed to 2 of them for over
6 years and yeah I think it's safe to say they're biased towards bowtie
products but no more than the rest of the aftermarket. When they showcase
the latest & greatest, whiz-bang, gotta have it, engine doo hickey it's
generally on a SBC with the occasional Windsor motor if it's a Ford specific
product.  They just don't have the time or resources to hunt down the more
obscure parts so they use whatever the manufacturer supplies.

Now for the worst products article, well they say in the beginning that they
know they're gonna piss a bunch of people off so what did you expect? In
addition to the FE they also trash the old style Ford power steering which
is absolutely correct, not another one of Henry's "better ideas." (On a side
note this isn't the same power steering system that's on the 79 F150 in the
feature that they made fun of...I find that a little ironic.) They also dump
on the 2.8l engine and IFS from our friends at the General as well as that
fine example of automotive engineering, the S series trucks. I've never been
a huge FE fan but I certainly wouldn't classify it a "Monster Turd" as
Petersen's does. At least now you know they're not going to be doing any 390
hi-po build ups anytime soon...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 5:32 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd?


>
>
>
> Okay, so all the off-road magazines are like that ?  I picked up a copy
yesterday
> because of the red 79 4x4 on the cover, haven't followed the truck rags
ever
> very intently.  I opened it up and the story starts about how all the
right
> parts are installed from the factory, then goes on to talk about how the
p/s
> system leaks and the best part of the truck is the 800 watt stereo he's
got
> installed (actually they said amp, but I doubt that's what they meant) ...
>
>
> Are they just jealous ?  I mean they were talkin about how awful the FE
was,
> but even Carrie playing devil's advocate had to admit that they must've
been
> ignoring everything pre-72 to come up with half of their statements.
>
> Also, for you M devotee's out there, is it a bit of a stretch to claim
300hp
> from a cammed 400 with a whopping 8.25:1 compression ?  I don't doubt its
possible,
> but it sounds like quite a stretch with that compression ratio ...
>
> Man, guess I'll stick to getting all my FT info from this list and my own
experiences,
> seems the only way to get reliable info.
>




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From: Matt Senn <msenn avistacom.net>
Subject: Re: anyone have a website about how awesome 390'
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:25:08 -0700

well, i don't know if mine is pushing as much HP as it could, but it sure
looks good . . . http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chaoticdelusions.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Tim and Pam Allgire [mailto:tim-pam williams-net.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 6:21 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: anyone have a website about how awesome 390's
are?


just have that Chevy guy get in here & we will all tell him how AWESOME they
are  !!!!   HE-HE- HE    !!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Garrett Nelson <garrettnelson writeme.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:53 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] anyone have a website about how awesome 390's are?


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From: Matt Senn <msenn avistacom.net>
Subject: FW: Re: anyone have a website about how awesome 390'
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:27:03 -0700

then i go and put down the wrong url, ah, here we go . . .
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chaoticdelusions.com/truck

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Senn
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:37 AM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: [61-79-list] Re: anyone have a website about how awesome
390's are?


well, i don't know if mine is pushing as much HP as it could, but it sure
looks good . . . http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chaoticdelusions.com


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd?
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:48:00 -0700

The Pantera came with the 4V cleveland so a 400 isn't so much of a stretch.
You could either put in a 400 with 4v heads (if the deck height allowed it
to fit in a Pantera) or grind a 400 crank to fit the cleveland and have a
whopping power plant.  HP is strictly dependent on two things......Torque
and RPM.  The 4v heads give you all the rpm the bottom end can handle and
the stroke gives you gobs of torque so there are posibilities there......:-)

While on the subject of rags......I thought "Custom Classic Trucks" was a
good rag but I'm very disappointed with their service.  I'm only getting an
occasional magazine, not on a monthly basis and I think 4 wheel and off road
dipped into my credit card without my sayso.  Pertesen's is falling way down
on my list.....it used to be at the top :-(

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> I dunno about that compression ratio, but another list I'm on just posted
> a set of *huge* numbers for a cammed 400 in a pantera.  it had webers, but
> still...



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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:09:23 GMT
Subject: Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd?


>They
>don't dyno these rigs so they just take whatever the owner says he thinks it

>is and print it.
>

I figured, but come on that just makes them look bad ...

>Now for the worst products article, well they say in the beginning that they

>know they're gonna piss a bunch of people off so what did you expect?

I read that after the FE caught my eye of course, but I still don't think it
was justified without a little disclaimer about stock later motors or something
...


>In
>addition to the FE they also trash the old style Ford power steering which

>is absolutely correct, not another one of Henry's "better ideas." (On a side

>note this isn't the same power steering system that's on the 79 F150 in the

>feature that they made fun of...I find that a little ironic.)

That had me laughing too ... they're whinin about the 78/9 style and the older
style at the same time without realizing it... I checked the article on the
red one about 3 times to be sure it was the 78/9 style steering ...


> At least now you know they're not going to be doing any 390
>hi-po build ups anytime soon...
>

Good thing, they probably wouldn't know where to get Ford parts if they did
have to build one...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Locked up engine (Leverage)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:15:20 -0700


> =============================================================
> i once taught a lady that weighed LESS THAN 100 lbs how to
> chain coils she
> wasnt big enough to really put a good pull on a chain SO we
> went and got her
> a 7 ft piece of black iron pipe to pull the chain binders
> down with GUESS
> WHAT she BROKE a chain with it
> goes to show ya anyone with enough leverage can do allot
> i was once told you could move a frieght train with a washing
> machine motor
> IF you had the right gears[leverage]
> SO TRUE
> GORDON
>

And who was it who said I can move the world if you show me where to put the
fulcrum?

Tom H.

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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: Locked up engine (Leverage)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:27:14 -0700

"With a lever long enough and a place to stand, I could move the earth"

Archimedes

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:15 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Locked up engine (Leverage)


>
> And who was it who said I can move the world if you show me where to put
the
> fulcrum?




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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:02:29 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III" <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Breaker Bar

At 08:26 AM 9/12/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Is that all you say to your self if its the last bolt of 18 to pull and all
>the rest were fine, just happens the the one that did break is the only one
>you cant drill and tap?????  Those are the days that make cold beer a
>valuable comodity.

No, the above situation would call for breaking several pieces of nearby
glass in the junkyard, preferably chevy windshields (my local junkyard
refuses to sell windshields, so it doesn't really matter if they get busted.)




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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:19:01 -0400
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd? & Ford PS boxes

>Now for the worst products article, well they say in the beginning that they
>know they're gonna piss a bunch of people off so what did you expect? In
>addition to the FE they also trash the old style Ford power steering which
>is absolutely correct, not another one of Henry's "better ideas." (On a side

I pretty well bougth that issue just for the nice pictures for inspiration
as to what I'd like my truck to look like. :-) Having just had my steering
box rebuilt, I was kind of interested in that snippet about the Ford power
steering boxes being crap. Is there a better box, aftermarket or whatnot
that is better and usable without extensive modification?


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:22:56 EDT
Subject: Call for help from 1967 Owners

I need a little help on a research question on 67 models or on other years through 72 for that matter.  I have been trying to determine if Ford ever stamped anything other than "81" for the last two digits of the "body" code as found on the door tag.  I would really appreciate if anyone who owns one of these or has access to one would check and share their findings.  Thanks so much.

Thom
1967 F-Series Registry
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

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From: Bird Sandi M CNFB <BirdSM mcpd.navy.mil>
Subject: Amp discharge and lost electrical on 65 F-100
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:25:37 -0700

Help!

last night my very dependable 65 F-100 (original 240 engine), started
showing a 15 amp discharge and my instrument panels and headlights all went
very dim.  I still had 15 miles to home, and he made it.

I parked him, got my flashlight and checked the belts, everything was good
and tight.

I re-started him, and he started right up, but still with hardly no lights
and still showing a 15 amp discharge on the Ampmeter.

I know it has to be either the Alternator or the Voltage regulator.  Any
ideas how I can figure out which one, without replacing them both?

Oddly, he also overheated a little...usually maintains at 160 degrees, but
during all this was running at 190 degrees and did smell hot, but not
dangerously so.  I'm guessing this was coincidence.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

thanks,
Sandi & Hank(65 F-100)



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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd? & Ford PS boxes
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:42:35 -0700

See that's what's misleading about the article. The power steering system
they're trashing is the pre-77 hydraulic ram system which frankly is crap
(leak prone, expensive to fix, hard to find parts for, etc.) The newer style
77 & up system closely resembles the Saginaw boxes and is quite reliable.
The pumps are pretty iffy IMNSHO but the boxes are fine.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wadson" <wadsond air.on.ca>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:19 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: F-E's rule- Petersen's 4wd? & Ford PS boxes


> >Now for the worst products article, well they say in the beginning that
they
> >know they're gonna piss a bunch of people off so what did you expect? In
> >addition to the FE they also trash the old style Ford power steering
which
> >is absolutely correct, not another one of Henry's "better ideas." (On a
side
>
> I pretty well bougth that issue just for the nice pictures for inspiration
> as to what I'd like my truck to look like. :-) Having just had my steering
> box rebuilt, I was kind of interested in that snippet about the Ford power
> steering boxes being crap. Is there a better box, aftermarket or whatnot
> that is better and usable without extensive modification?




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From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:51:45 -0700

   "N 81" is the body code on a 69 F250 with dual tanks, and "M 81" is on a
69 F250 with dual tanks & toolbox in passenger side of bed.

Michael

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I need a little help on a research question on 67 models or on other years
through 72 for that matter.  I have been trying to determine if Ford ever
stamped anything other than "81" for the last two digits of the "body" code
as found on the door tag.  I would really appreciate if anyone who owns one
of these or has access to one would check and share their findings.  Thanks
so much.
>
> Thom
> 1967 F-Series Registry
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee
>


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From: daves8 juno.com
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:18:03 -0600
Subject: Re: Amp discharge and lost electrical on 65 F-100

Sandi....

The way to check this is to full-field the alternator.  Basically, you
run a 12-volt jumper wire directly to the field wire on the back of the
alternator.  If the alternator is still good, it will now put out max
output (engine will slow down, lights will get brighter, ammeter will go
way up).  Normally, the voltage on your truck should run about 13.5 to 14
on a fast idle.  When you full-field the alternator, voltage will jump as
high as 17 or 18 volts.  Don't do this for more than a second or you
could damage something.

Unfortunately, I don't remember which terminal on your alternator is the
field terminal , so I can't help you with this.

Don't you know any friendly EM's or IC's with a multimeter that could
help you out?  :-)

Most auto parts stores should be able to hook up a tester to the charging
system and tell you which is bad.  Might want to get a second opinion,
though, just in case.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:25:37 -0700 Bird Sandi M CNFB
<BirdSM mcpd.navy.mil> writes:
> Help!
>
> last night my very dependable 65 F-100 (original 240 engine),
> started showing a 15 amp discharge and my instrument panels and
headlights
> all went very dim....................
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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:21:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners

Thanks Michael!  I should probably add that the "81" code refers to a "conventional pick-up"  Therefore, I am particularly interested in whether Ford stamped any other codes on the door tags for Flareside (notice I didn't say Stepside) vs. Styleside or cab & chassis or stake rack trucks.

Thom
1967 F-Series Registry
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee


In a message dated Tue, 12 Sep 2000  2:55:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Michael" <danger csolutions.net> writes:

<<     "N 81" is the body code on a 69 F250 with dual tanks, and "M 81" is on a
69 F250 with dual tanks & toolbox in passenger side of bed.
>>



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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:42:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Amp discharge and lost electrical on 65 F-100
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> I know it has to be either the Alternator or the Voltage regulator.  Any
> ideas how I can figure out which one, without replacing them both?
>
> Oddly, he also overheated a little...usually maintains at 160 degrees, but
> during all this was running at 190 degrees and did smell hot, but not
> dangerously so.  I'm guessing this was coincidence.

Normally, I would guess regulator, but the overheating calls for looking at
the alternator/generator very closely. It sounds like you may have a bad
bearing causing the belt to slip and overheat resulting then in poor driving
of the water pump. I may be all wet, but I'd check it. Instead of a bad
bearing, you might find a worn out brush that has left its holder and is
running against the shaft. Look at that belt closely. That hot smell may be
burning belt and not hot engine. BTDT.

-- John
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:23:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: "D. DiMartino" <grunon yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners


--- TBeeee aol.com wrote:
Therefore, I am
> particularly interested in whether Ford stamped any other
> codes on the door tags for Flareside

Yup, mine says 481.  can't find anything telling me what the 4
means but i bet it has to do with being sold to contractor who
modified it for airport use...

=====
Daniel DiMartino
<grunon yahoo.com>
1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4

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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:28:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners

No big guy...the "4" in front of the "81" is the interior trim color which should be a medium beige vinyl in your case.

Thom
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In a message dated Tue, 12 Sep 2000  4:23:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "D. DiMartino" <grunon yahoo.com> writes:

<<
Yup, mine says 481.  can't find anything telling me what the 4
means but i bet it has to do with being sold to contractor who
modified it for airport use...
>>



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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:48:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Hall <sch8489 garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: 400 Dyno Results

here we are...

-forwarded message-

RPM   HP   TQ
2000  158  415
2500  212  445
3000  274  480
3500  352  527
4000  431  566
4500  500  583
5000  543  571
5500  567  541
6000  577  505
6500  567  458

Here are the engine parts:
Ford 400 FMX block, bored .030", 4-bolt main
Stock rods/crank
Arias forged pistons
351C 4V heads, ported, 2.19/1.76 SS valves, 11:1 CR
Comp Pro Magnum 1.73 intake/1.8 exhaust roller rockers
Hall Pantera manifold
PME intake spacers
Weber 48 IDA's, 45mm chokes, Inglese needle/seats/circuits
Comp 32-771-8 Magnum roller cam
GTS Equal-length 2" headers


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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: Call for help from 1967 Owners
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:46:57 -0500

Thom, I just checked my '70 F100 Custom and the body code is 234. Any help?
Jason Kendrick

have been trying to determine if Ford ever stamped anything other than "81"
for the last two digits of the "body" code as found on the door tag.  I
would really appreciate if anyone who owns one of these or has access to one
would check and share their findings.



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 400 Dyno Results
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:21:54 -0400


> RPM   HP   TQ
> 2000  158  415
> 2500  212  445
> 3000  274  480
> 3500  352  527
> 4000  431  566
> 4500  500  583
> 5000  543  571
> 5500  567  541
> 6000  577  505
> 6500  567  458
======================================================
well thats quite impressive really its a far cry from what i thought she
would do really
from the looks of the specs it seems the shift points should be about 5000
rpms then for peak torque and h.p.
have fun
gordon


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From: "MARTY COLMAN" <colman76 hotmail.com>
Subject: power window kit
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:25:12 GMT

I found something else to drool over...;)

Did ya' notice the power window kit for 73-79 Fords in the new Summit
catalog (pg. 282)?  It's $200 for the window kit (minus switches) $50-$90
for switches, depending on style.  Says "kit bolts directly in place of the
original mechanical window components."  Looks like a good strong metal
unit, not cheap plastic like most kits are.

My wish list is getting longer and longer...

Marty
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From: Matt Senn <msenn avistacom.net>
Subject: Re: power window kit
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:21:49 -0700

the new LMC catalog has got the kit (complete with switches) for $69.95 . .
.

-----Original Message-----
From: MARTY COLMAN [mailto:colman76 hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:25 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] power window kit


I found something else to drool over...;)

Did ya' notice the power window kit for 73-79 Fords in the new Summit
catalog (pg. 282)?  It's $200 for the window kit (minus switches) $50-$90
for switches, depending on style.  Says "kit bolts directly in place of the
original mechanical window components."  Looks like a good strong metal
unit, not cheap plastic like most kits are.

My wish list is getting longer and longer...

Marty
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:37:02 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: power window kit



Matt Senn wrote:

> the new LMC catalog has got the kit (complete with switches) for $69.95 . .

LMC's price is $149.95 ... I think you was looking at the price of the keyless
remote door locks just below the window kits. At least that's what my catalog
tells me!

>
> .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MARTY COLMAN [mailto:colman76 hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:25 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] power window kit
>
> I found something else to drool over...;)
>
> Did ya' notice the power window kit for 73-79 Fords in the new Summit
> catalog (pg. 282)?  It's $200 for the window kit (minus switches) $50-$90
> for switches, depending on style.  Says "kit bolts directly in place of the
> original mechanical window components."  Looks like a good strong metal
> unit, not cheap plastic like most kits are.
>
> My wish list is getting longer and longer...
>
> Marty
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