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61-79-list Digest Sat, 09 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 234

In This Issue:
Low mount swing out western mirror
My first CJ!!!
Re: Pinging/knocking
Re: My first CJ!!!
Timing for 390
Subscription to forum at http://www.ford-trucks.com/cgi-b
Trucks for sale
19 YEAR OLD OVER HEATING QUESTION
Re: Timing for 390
Re: 19 YEAR OLD OVER HEATING QUESTION
Re: 19 YEAR OLD OVER HEATING QUESTION
Re: Locked up engine
Reinforcing ribs on C6's
Re: Reinforcing ribs on C6's
'68 F100 for sale
Re: Reinforcing ribs on C6's
Re: Reinforcing ribs on C6's

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From: JXS <bdijxs bridgetest.com>
Subject: Low mount swing out western mirror
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:03:44 -0700

Marty,

What are we after here???

I might have a set....if it's what I think you're talking about. Please send me a message off list describing them.....I have a set on a 76 highboy that I'll be replacing with another set from the 79 year....

CJ




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Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 18:38:07 -0400
From: bill poudrier <poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: My first CJ!!!

Hi group,

 Today I bought my first Cobra Jet.  A 1969 Talladega.  It needs
complete assembly.  The only thing left bolted in is the rear end
and springs so it could be moved.  Any metal work was already done
and so now has to lovengly assembled.  It will most likely take
2 years to complete and quite a few $$$$, but what the heck.  All the
numbers match and when done should be something special.  Just thought
you might like to know.

I know there is no truck content but I hauled it home with my F150...

   Bill




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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Pinging/knocking
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 20:32:23 -0700

OoooooooooK.......here's how it works......

Due to lots of things that would require a book to discuss the mechanical
advance is usually capped off at about 28 to 32 degrees total, including the
initial to be  brought in via some kind of curve, generally around 3000 rpm
or before.

In a race car this is all you need because you set up the engine to work
with that timing at it's maximum "Working" rpm which is generally obtained
with WOT.   In a truck or car on the highway you need more controls because
it spends most of it's time at part throttle and actually nearly closed
throttle which brings in a whole bunch of other factors.

High load needs less advance for various reasons so if you don't have a vac
on it to retard the spark when you step on it at 15 mph in high gear it will
knock to beat the band.  The vac will also allow a slighly different main
jet or metering rod setting for best cruising economy and throttle
response........what this all means is that if the engine is cammed and
carbed to race then you don't need a vac but if not then you do.....The
actual timing is really dependent on the cam, compression, tune and gearing
so............

There are really too many variables to actually say what the problem with
this or that engine is but typically this problem is due to extremely lean
mixture on tip in and wrong timing.  I had my bronco set to 10 with a
partially working vac and it suddenly started knocking on the least little
effort so I dug into it and found that I had inadvertenly retimed it with a
totally stuck vac.  I freed up the vac and retimed it to 10 and it was still
too much so I backed if off to 8 and set the accellerator arm to max stroke
and set the vac to drop out more easily (more spring pressure).  It now runs
on cheap regular with little knock except under extreme lugging conditions
and gets about 11 mpg with a funky 600 Holley.

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> With the Mechanical advance - I had it set at 6 at idel - but after that
it
> had 25 - period - no matter accelerating, decelerating, etc.  BUT - I

> the circular file - I replaced the distributor with the stock FOMOCO

> Runs fine, great even - except for even the slightest load.  Why head up a
> moderate hill at 55 to 60 and the engine knocks and pings so loud -


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: My first CJ!!!
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 20:36:54 -0700

Yeah, just saw a suicide door lincoln (65/67) for sale........my favorite
model, but no money :-(  Not sure which year but it has a hump on the side
so I don't think it's a 66 which is actually my all time fav.....:-)

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

>   Today I bought my first Cobra Jet.  A 1969 Talladega.  It needs

> I know there is no truck content but I hauled it home with my F150...



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Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 20:36:16 -0400
From: Joe <shoman p3.net>
Subject: Timing for 390

Group is this right for my 68 390 timing

10 degrees BTC???.

Joe


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"RE: 360/390 Flyweels"
Posted by DAV1972 on 09/07/2000 13:55:50
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"RE: exhaust?  FLOWMASTERS  No Headers  N/M"
Posted by jowilker on 09/07/2000 14:49:04
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3653.html#3

"RE: 67 wiring"
Posted by pinkston on 09/07/2000 15:06:03
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3605.html#13

"RE: Where to find manual repair manual for '69 F250"
Posted by pinkston on 09/07/2000 15:10:40
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3650.html#2

"RE: 61-66 pics"
Posted by pinkston on 09/07/2000 15:18:08
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3646.html#2

"390 confirmation"
Posted by proeliator on 09/07/2000 15:38:45
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3645.html#11

"RE: Truck block"
Posted by dinosaurfan on 09/07/2000 16:00:14
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3645.html#12

"Upside down casting"
Posted by StockMan on 09/07/2000 16:06:45
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3645.html#13

"72 F250  4x4 360"
Posted by usmcdi on 09/07/2000 16:09:17
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3654.html#0

"RE: Upside down casting"
Posted by proeliator on 09/07/2000 16:24:20
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3645.html#14

"RE: 67 wiring"
Posted by 1977rangerxlt on 09/07/2000 17:52:14
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3605.html#14

"RE: Where to find manual repair manual for '69 F250"
Posted by lurch on 09/07/2000 17:59:52
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3650.html#3

"Driving quality"
Posted by 69f100shortstepside on 09/07/2000 19:21:03
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3655.html#0

"RE: Gearing=RPM update"
Posted by Charles-65F350 on 09/07/2000 19:39:07
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3652.html#3

"RE: Driving quality"
Posted by jowilker on 09/07/2000 19:41:31
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3655.html#1

"Point - Counter- Point"
Posted by StockMan on 09/07/2000 19:58:43
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3655.html#2

"Typical Oil Pressure"
Posted by StockMan on 09/07/2000 20:03:43
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3654.html#1

"RE: 67 wiring"
Posted by red68ranger on 09/07/2000 20:20:44
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3605.html#15

"Higher Pressure"
Posted by Like M. Fords on 09/07/2000 21:05:53
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3654.html#2

"RE: Point - Counter- Point"
Posted by Nathan on 09/07/2000 21:09:30
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3655.html#3

"RE: engine stalls when I let off the gas"
Posted by puffc on 09/07/2000 21:14:06
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3651.html#2

"66 f100 tranny swap"
Posted by harvey on 09/07/2000 21:22:54
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3656.html#0

"RE: 390 engine work question"
Posted by mhyff250 on 09/07/2000 21:37:19
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3618.html#14

"RE: exhaust"
Posted by jbhf250 on 09/07/2000 21:48:06
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3653.html#4

"RE: 66 f100 tranny swap"
Posted by jowilker on 09/07/2000 21:50:22
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3656.html#1

"RE: Point - Counter- Point"
Posted by jowilker on 09/07/2000 22:00:16
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3655.html#4

"RE: Body Side Molding"
Posted by tod on 09/07/2000 22:01:44
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3636.html#4

"1970 Ranger with 351W & 302 Heads"
Posted by knj1247 on 09/07/2000 22:05:28
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3657.html#0

"RE: Body Side Molding"
Posted by jowilker on 09/07/2000 22:08:57
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3636.html#5

"RE: Body Side Molding"
Posted by DBF on 09/07/2000 22:31:33
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3636.html#6

"RE: 390 engine work question"
Posted by skip4274 on 09/07/2000 22:33:08
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3618.html#15

"RE: 1970 Ranger with 351W & 302 Heads"
Posted by BigRebel on 09/07/2000 22:51:18
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3657.html#1

"RE: 390 engine work question"
Posted by DBF on 09/07/2000 23:32:02
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3618.html#16

"RE:Headers, maybe"
Posted by dinosaurfan on 09/08/2000 00:03:37
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3624.html#5

"RE: Distributor"
Posted by shockrod on 09/08/2000 00:13:51
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3238.html#7

"help with dash pad..."
Posted by fordman69 on 09/08/2000 00:56:36
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3658.html#0

"Gas Tank"
Posted by okrobie on 09/08/2000 01:08:30
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3659.html#0

"RE: Help ! Oil Pump On FE"
Posted by DBF on 09/08/2000 05:12:22
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3641.html#7

"Dash Removal"
Posted by StockMan on 09/08/2000 07:01:51
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3658.html#1

"Timing specs are over rated"
Posted by StockMan on 09/08/2000 07:26:13
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3238.html#8

"I guess we have to define "go wrong""
Posted by StockMan on 09/08/2000 07:33:58
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3659.html#1

"RE:Headers, maybe"
Posted by deanwa on 09/08/2000 08:48:02
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3624.html#6

"Carb spacer plate"
Posted by rick on 09/08/2000 09:06:42
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3660.html#0

"Painless?  Maybe"
Posted by StockMan on 09/08/2000 10:06:53
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3624.html#7

"Holley"
Posted by StockMan on 09/08/2000 10:19:40
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3660.html#1

"RE: Upside down casting"
Posted by ted75f250 on 09/08/2000 10:50:14
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3645.html#15

"RE: Upside down casting"
Posted by lee on 09/08/2000 10:53:11
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3645.html#16

"Need Rear Bumper for 63 F-100 "
Posted by fordmaniac on 09/08/2000 10:57:16
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3661.html#0

"RE: Typical Oil Pressure"
Posted by usmcdi on 09/08/2000 11:00:31
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3654.html#3

"RE: Higher Pressure"
Posted by usmcdi on 09/08/2000 11:02:22
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3654.html#4

"Parts is parts....."
Posted by StockMan on 09/08/2000 11:10:22
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3654.html#5

"RE: I guess we have to define "
Posted by robie on 09/08/2000 13:06:52
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3659.html#2

"RE: 67 wiring"
Posted by pinkston on 09/08/2000 13:08:22
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3605.html#16

"RE: Where to find manual repair manual for '69 F250"
Posted by pinkston on 09/08/2000 13:18:03
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3650.html#4

"RE: I guess we have to define "
Posted by jowilker on 09/08/2000 13:40:38
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3659.html#3

"RE: Horn probelm -- help!!"
Posted by pinkston on 09/08/2000 13:41:43
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/2734.html#8

"RE: Need Rear Bumper for 63 F-100 "
Posted by skip4274 on 09/08/2000 14:06:09
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3661.html#1

"RE: Gas tank differences"
Posted by 73Custom on 09/08/2000 15:21:23
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3659.html#4

"RE: engine stalls when I let off the gas"
Posted by oldford64 on 09/08/2000 15:33:31
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3651.html#3

"RE: Carb spacer plate"
Posted by 73Custom on 09/08/2000 15:37:33
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3660.html#2

"RE: Carb spacer plate"
Posted by jb85302 on 09/08/2000 15:47:56
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3660.html#3

"RE: Steering Conversion"
Posted by stephenw on 09/08/2000 17:32:45
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/2364.html#7

"RE: aftermarket drag links"
Posted by stephenw on 09/08/2000 17:39:09
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/2448.html#4

"oil pressure"
Posted by toolmnmike on 09/08/2000 17:40:37
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3654.html#6

"RE: 66 f100 tranny swap"
Posted by toolmnmike on 09/08/2000 17:48:25
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3656.html#2

"RE: Carb spacer plate"
Posted by rick on 09/08/2000 17:56:45
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3660.html#4

"RE: Point - Counter- Point"
Posted by Nathan on 09/08/2000 19:35:18
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3655.html#5

"RE: Point - Counter- Point"
Posted by jowilker on 09/08/2000 19:48:03
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3655.html#6

"Fan clutch"
Posted by dave186 on 09/08/2000 20:56:24
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3662.html#0

"Fan Clutch"
Posted by Like M. Fords on 09/08/2000 21:45:28
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3662.html#1

"Head Bolts"
Posted by Like M. Fords on 09/08/2000 22:09:25
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3654.html#7

"RE: Point - Counter- Point"
Posted by chenders on 09/08/2000 22:24:55
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3655.html#7

"RE: Gas tank differences"
Posted by okrobie on 09/09/2000 00:33:43
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3659.html#5

"RE: 67 wiring"
Posted by hpguy on 09/09/2000 00:34:16
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3605.html#17

"RE: Where to find manual repair manual for '69 F250"
Posted by hpguy on 09/09/2000 00:37:16
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3650.html#5

"RE: Gas tank differences"
Posted by elsmith on 09/09/2000 00:44:46
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3659.html#6

"RE: Gas tank differences"
Posted by okrobie on 09/09/2000 00:59:22
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3659.html#7

"RE: Steering Conversion"
Posted by sparky on 09/09/2000 01:26:23
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/2364.html#8

"Questions for guys with M's... headers and distributor problem"
Posted by ummduh on 09/09/2000 02:12:29
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3663.html#0

"RE: Upside down casting"
Posted by karljay on 09/09/2000 03:11:25
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3645.html#17

"RE: 4Wheel&Offroad Magazine"
Posted by karljay on 09/09/2000 03:43:54
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3649.html#5

"RE: Where to find manual repair manual for '69 F250"
Posted by kpayne on 09/09/2000 09:10:46
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3650.html#6

"RE: 4Wheel&Offroad Magazine"
Posted by RRL'78 on 09/09/2000 09:26:28
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3649.html#6

"RE: Where to find manual repair manual for '69 F250"
Posted by Willie on 09/09/2000 09:30:41
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3650.html#7

"'73-'79 Dually????"
Posted by jmcboots on 09/09/2000 09:41:48
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3664.html#0

"RE: Dash Removal"
Posted by RRL'78 on 09/09/2000 10:14:13
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3658.html#2

"RE: 66 f100 tranny swap"
Posted by dinosaurfan on 09/09/2000 11:06:39
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3656.html#3

"RE: Help ! Oil Pump On FE"
Posted by danpaull on 09/09/2000 11:11:06
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3641.html#8

"RE: Help ! Oil Pump On FE"
Posted by danpaull on 09/09/2000 11:12:30
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3641.html#9

"RE: Body Side Molding"
Posted by harvey on 09/09/2000 11:31:42
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3636.html#7

"RE: '73-'79 Dually????"
Posted by danpaull on 09/09/2000 11:33:44
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3664.html#1

"RE: Gas tank differences"
Posted by okrobie on 09/09/2000 11:41:02
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3659.html#8

"RE: Upside down casting"
Posted by proeliator on 09/09/2000 13:25:18
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3645.html#18

"RE: Body Side Molding"
Posted by jowilker on 09/09/2000 14:08:03
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3636.html#8

"Electric fans?"
Posted by mhyff250 on 09/09/2000 16:01:51
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3665.html#0

"New Dash Boards"
Posted by billcat on 09/09/2000 16:22:27
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3666.html#0

"RE: New Dash Boards"
Posted by JMR on 09/09/2000 17:01:11
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3666.html#1

"Help!"
Posted by elsmith on 09/09/2000 17:14:46
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3667.html#0

"RE: Questions for guys with M's... headers and distributor problem"
Posted by ummduh on 09/09/2000 17:40:16
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3663.html#1

"Cab Mount Removal Problem"
Posted by HiMe on 09/09/2000 17:49:03
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3668.html#0

"RE: Electric fans?"
Posted by jowilker on 09/09/2000 18:34:38
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3665.html#1

"RE: engine stalls when I let off the gas"
Posted by puffc on 09/09/2000 19:09:00
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3651.html#4

"RE: Fan Clutch"
Posted by dave186 on 09/09/2000 19:58:10
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3662.html#2

"RE: Electric fans?"
Posted by dave186 on 09/09/2000 20:09:44
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3665.html#2

"RE: Questions for guys with M's... headers and distributor problem"
Posted by skip4274 on 09/09/2000 20:27:59
http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/61_79/3663.html#2

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"RE: A few Bronco Questions"
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Trucks for sale
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:44:13 -0400

today i saw what i think was about a 64 or so f100 out side of TOLEDO OHIO
on rt 579 east of rt 51
ALSO saw what was possibly about a 72 or so in a wrecking yard in DETROIT
MICH. right next to detroit lime company near the ford river rouge plant if
any one is interested this one looked to be in pretty good shape except for
maybe a missing engine and some other small things but the main parts all
seemed to either be attached or setting on it
gordon


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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:40:43 -0700
Subject: What to do in central California
From: Mark R Heims <markheims juno.com>

Hey Guys and Gals,
This is Montana Mark, long time lurker, sometimes poster.  I'm in central
California till the end of the month and am looking for some car/truck
shows and other fun things to do while I'm here.  I'm at Vandenberg Air
Force Base just south of Santa Maria.  If anyone lives near here and
would like to get together, let me know.  Last year when I was in
Colorado, I went and helped CJ work on a couple of trucks and had a
blast.

Montana Mark, currently in California.
1978 F150 4x4, The Great Pumpkin
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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: 19 YEAR OLD OVER HEATING QUESTION
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:24:43 -0400

With the recent passing of my Father, I have been reminincing.  He owned a
76 F250 4X4 with a 360.  The motor died due to hard abuse working in the
OHIO oil field business and farm use.  As a Christmas Gift in 1981, before I
joined the Navy, I purchased a used 390 and sent it to a machine shop to
have all machine work performed (bore .030, turn crank, resize rods, boil
block, etc:) After putting the motor in, getting it running blah blah bla,
it would over heat after being driven for awhile.  I know, this is
subjective here.  We have a farm 30 miles from town, would over heat before
dad\mom got to town and before they got home.  Me, heh, I'm the master
mechanic, at least in  my mind, I built this motor, I'll figure it out, or
so I told myself. :)  I replaced the thermostat (180), still would overheat,
Pulled the thermostat, still would over heat, checked timing and replaced
water pump, still would over heat, replaced all belts and hoses, still would
over heat.  Now I'm thinking, bad guage, because you know how them OLDER
people are, just relying on a OEM Temp guage.  :)  Sure as heck, Dad pulled
in the Standard Oil garage that I worked at, and the new Autometer guage I
installed read 235 degrees.  I'm thinking, I must have put the head gaskets
on backwards.  Pulled the heads, didnt see anything abnormal.   HMMMMM, I
KNOW the problem now, that dogone radiater is just too small for this HOT
new 390 that I built. :)  I go get a 4 core radiator out of a late 70's P\U
from a wrecking yard.  Some co-workers and I make it fit, shroud and all.
We are real proud of ourselves!!  Mom and dad drive home, 3 hours later, mom
call's, the "motor overheated and blew up".  She said they were about 5
miles from home, the truck started to overheat, and dad, instead of pulling
over to let it cool as they usually did, said "the h*** with it", banged 3rd
and pushed the pedal to the floor.  Motor locked up about a half mile later.
I was eighteen then and new everything, My father probably thought that I
didn't know what I was doing and was just over it.  I thought "give me some
time, I'll figure it out".  Well, he paid somebody to put a used motor in
that old truck.  Hurts me to this day.  We never talked about it again after
that.  Well, I own that old truck now.  Now I'm one of them OLDER people, as
I stared at "RED"  tonight, I asked WHY?  It didnt answer....Sorry for the
rambling,  who else could I tell this story to but my other family... FTE?

PS has anyone ever heard of a truck coming from the factory without
emergency brakes?  This truck was bought new, I bring it to Virginia and
fail the State inspection.  The knock-out's for the emegency brake cable was
not even punched out in the rear backing plates.  The only thing in the
truck was the cable going from the emergency brake pedal to aft of the cab,
nothing else, including nothing for the emegency brake under the brake drum,
HONEST.  (they claimed somebody must have removed them)

Rich


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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Timing for 390
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:44:02 -0500


I have mine at 12, but 10 is within the correct range. Doesn't hurt to play around with it a little either.


---Garrett www.1966ford.com




 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joe
 To: ford trucklist61-79
 Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 7:36 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Timing for 390


 Group is this right for my 68 390 timing

 10 degrees BTC???.

 Joe



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 19 YEAR OLD OVER HEATING QUESTION
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:55:44 -0400

I replaced the thermostat (180), still would overheat,
> Pulled the thermostat, still would over heat, checked timing and replaced
> water pump, still would over heat, replaced all belts and hoses, still
would
> over heat.
> Rich
>
> =============================================================
hi rich
recently we went thru this same thing with a friends grandpa,s f 250 turned
out it was possibly 2 things maybe
1- he had had a new thermostat stuck in it and it was  two small it just
fell down into the intake manifold was all the hole was too big for it but
it was what the books all called for we ended up using one for a pre 64 390
2- we allready had a new radiator setting there so we were looking inside of
it and the tubes for the cooling were much smaller in the old one than the
new one SO now she doesnt over heat a bit even
it possibly could have been these things or maybe even the timing was not
quite right on it or was running way to lean in the carb also ive seen that
happen too with them
SORRY about your DAD passing away ive had similar stories with my own father
before he passed away
good luck to bad you dont have that old engine still so you could tear it
dwn to find out why it was doing this
see ya
gordon



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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: 19 YEAR OLD OVER HEATING QUESTION
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:20:59 -0400

Thank you Mr. Boling, wish I had them both...

> SORRY about your DAD passing away ive had similar stories with my own
father
> before he passed away
> good luck to bad you dont have that old engine still so you could tear it
> dwn to find out why it was doing this
> see ya
> gordon

Rich


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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:57:58 -0400
From: Don Haring <haring fedora.net>
Subject: Re: Locked up engine

While we're talking about frozen rusted parts, I'll offer up a suggestion
that I put to use about a two months ago when I pulled the front suspension
off a junkyard Econoline. Remember that this is PA, so even "easy" bolts
are usually frozen with rust.

I have a 12" breaker bar in my toolbox, and this is usually enough to free
most bolts in the junkyard. I was really struggling with some wheel lug
nuts, though, when I found a piece of 4' steel tubing in the back of the
van. I slipped this over the handle of my wrench, and used it for increased
leverage. Wow, the difference is amazing when you have a 4' handle. As long
as you can fit it in the space provided, it's better to have a longer
handle, and I didn't realize how much better until I actually tried it
myself.

-don

Don Haring, Jr., Philadelphia, PA
FCA Keystone Chapter Editor/Internet Director
61 Futura, 66 Club Wagon and classic scooters



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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Reinforcing ribs on C6's
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:47:09 -0500


Last week someone said something about 460 C6's having strengthening ribs. Just how important are these, and what would happen if I put a standard C6 without the ribs behind my 460? The truck will see quite a bit of heavy towing duty, fyi. Thanks,
Jason


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:40:23 EDT
Subject: Re: Reinforcing ribs on C6's

I wouldnt worry about em too much.  I ran a 400 tranny behind my 460 for awhile after the original one blew up.  It did go bad, but it was due to the horrible stresses driving "Darrell" style, not the style of the case.  Also my dads 88 E-350 with a 460 has a tranny without the ribs.  I assume somewhere along the line ford figured they really had gone overkill on the reinforced tranny.  And that tranny has 140k and still shifts as crisp as the day we got it.

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:04:08 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: '68 F100 for sale

Just an FYI for anyone looking for a parts truck, I found a '68 F100
Custom Cab
supposed 390/4bbl/C6?FMX? blue/white. Located near Austin, Tx. Runs,
tranny weak,
engine not so hot, manual steering and brakes, underdash AC, may be
aftermarket,
fixer upper or part out.

If interested (John Strauss I know you are out there...) let me know.

Howardb

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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:35:38 -0400
From: bill poudrier <poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: Reinforcing ribs on C6's

I have a number of these transmissions and it is about 50/50
as to the ones that have them to the ones that do not.  One
I know is from a 70 T-Bird 429 and it really dosen't have
heavy ribbing.  I do not think it matters too much.

At 11:47 AM 9/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Last week someone said something about 460 C6's having strengthening ribs.
Just how important are these, and what would happen if I put a standard C6
without the ribs behind my 460? The truck will see quite a bit of heavy towing


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Reinforcing ribs on C6's
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:47:19 -0400


> Just how important are these, and what would happen if I put a standard C6
> without the ribs behind my 460? The truck will see quite a bit of heavy
towing
>
> =============================================================
WELL ive kept quiet about this for long enough i guess i have a good friend ....


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