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61-79-list Digest Wed, 06 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 229

In This Issue:
1967-72 Black Dash Pad (For Sale)
Thanks and more ?'s
I'm getting my 390 dyno'd, anyone want to guess how much
Re: Thanks and more ?'s
Re: Thanks and more ?'s
Re: Advance
Re: Advance
Re: holley/hose routing/pcv help
Re: '78 bumper tabs
Re: I'm getting my 390 dyno'd, anyone want to guess how m
oil gauge
Re: I'm getting my 390 dyno'd, anyone want to guess how m
Re: oil gauge
Ticking Carb Problem Found! I'm a moron!
Re: Ticking Carb Problem Found!  I'm a moron!
Re: Exhaust tips for 69 F250 2wd C6 and dual tanks
Rust issues  (Was:  Headlight Adjustment Nuts)
Re: oil gauge
Re: Exhaust tips for 69 F250 2wd C6 and dual tanks
Re: I'm getting my 390 dyno'd, anyone want to guess how m
Re: TRUCK PARTS
Re: Advance
Re: '78 bumper tabs
Re: '78 bumper tabs
Re: Rust issues (Was: Headlight Adjustment Nuts)
Re: Ticking Carb Problem Found! I'm a moron!
Was TRUCK PARTS, NOW:I love junkyards.
Re: 300's, 390's and 460's..
Re: Advance
Re: oil gauge
Re: Advance

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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:54:22 EDT
Subject: 1967-72 Black Dash Pad (For Sale)

Thanks to all of you who made an offer on my dash pad, but I decided to hold
out for "big bucks"..so I threw it up on ebay.

Thom
1967 F-Series Registry
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Thanks and more ?'s
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:08:42 -0500


Thanks to Thom, David Wadson, and Wish for their help in decoding the vin numbers on my new acquisition. Now, does anyone know how much horsepower and torque this 460 can muster? Also, compression ratio? As far as I know, it's a totally stock '78 460 with a Holley 4bbl carb. Factory iron 4bbl manifold. On the rear axle tag, what do I need to look for to tell if it's equipped with Trac-Lock or a locker? It does have 2.75 gears, though... I'm gonna guess that my '70 F100 with a 390 and 3.50's will pull better. But as soon as I get the brakes bled, I'll find out. Thanks again,
Jason


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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: I'm getting my 390 dyno'd, anyone want to guess how much
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:14:28 -0500


Take a look at my website to see what modifications I have made to the engine.

Also, I just ordered some Heddman full length headers that will be installed for the dyno pulls.

Is 250 horsepower a realistic guess? 300 ft lbs of torque?


---Garrett www.1966ford.com


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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:15:25 EDT
Subject: Re: Thanks and more ?'s

My word 2.75!  That thing should fly on the hi-way!  As for the limited
slip...didn't they stamp the letter "L" in place of the decimal point on the
portion of the axle tag which displays the ratio to designate a locking axle?

Thom
1967 F-Series Registry
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>  On the rear axle tag, what do I need to look for to tell if it's equipped
> with Trac-Lock or a locker? It does have 2.75 gears, though..

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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks and more ?'s
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:26:27 -0500

That's what I thought, too. I had a Ranchero with a 460 and 2.75's and it
got 18mpg, but it was also more aerodynamic. Is there any way to tell if
these axles are 28 or 31 spline by looking at the tag?
Jason



> My word 2.75!  That thing should fly on the hi-way!  As for the limited
> slip...didn't they stamp the letter "L" in place of the decimal point on
the
> portion of the axle tag which displays the ratio to designate a locking
axle?
>
> Thom



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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:34:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Advance

In a message dated 9/6/2000 9:51:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
maggie11 HiWAAY.net writes:

<<
Didn't my '70 Merc w/429 have a dual diphram advance/retard on it.
In certain conditions the vacuum retarded the timing and in some
instances the vacuum advanced the timing????  Right???
 >>

I had a '73 F100 with a 302 & C4. It, like yours had a dual diaphram Dist
advance. Once was connected to teh typical (and lately much debated) ported
switch for manifold or ported carb vacume. The other went to some other stuff
and would actually retard teh advance as it worked in reverse. For the
memoent,I cant remember what it hooked up to. I pulled the retard stuff and
it continued to run well. Actually it was one sweet running lil motor when I
was done ;-)! It even ran 40 miles in Nevada w/o water due to a busted
radiater without significant harm! Tough lil thing and it's got my respect!


George in Fl.

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:52:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Advance

In a message dated 9/6/2000 2:19:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wish ford-trucks.net writes:

<<
My question isn't really when is the vaccuum there, its when do you need to
advance it and when do you need to retard it ?  seems like knowing the
desireables
and the vaccuum states we can derive the explanation of the vaccuum advance
... but that may just be the engineer in me talkin crazy like ...

anyone got a hand vaccuum pump and a timing light ?  hook that to the dist
directly
and see what the timing does as you play with the amount of vaccuum you're
pulling
...
 >>

Part of my understanding is that the vacume advances teh timing (in
conjunction to the mechanical advance) to give the fuel additional time to
burn and reach max pressure as teh piston reaches TDC. Think about it, as the
engine revs up, the ammount of time the piston takes to reach TDC is shorter
compared  to idle. Well, teh mixture has a basically constant burn time.
Without and advance, the max cylinder pressure from the fuel burn would be
reached after TDC giving you a less efficent engine. Maybe not the whole part
of the equation, but at least a part of it.

Also, when the vacume increases to the advance modulator on the dist, teh
timing advances. I've never measured how many degrees per inch of vacume but
I spose I could some day. I cenerally advance till I ping and back off till
it jsut stops. Normally about 10-12 degrees BTDC at idle depending upon my
grade of gas ('79 400 w C6).

Well, that should be a bit to think about.

George in Fl.

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:01:58 EDT
Subject: Re: holley/hose routing/pcv help

In a message dated 9/6/2000 3:38:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shoman p3.net
writes:

<<
can somebody give me some direction on which hoses go where on a 600 cfm
holley.. on the pass side I have 2 small ports one underneath near the
front of the carb, one on the side(meetering block) i think and then a
large one on the side near the rear of the carb...I also need to hook up
a PCV system to this 390...but the
factory spacer on the carb does not have an opening for the hose to
connect?????
 >>

I can help ya here, got one of em myself on my 400.

1. The port under the Pass side front bowl is manifold vacume. I've seen two
in this location depending on it being an emissions model or not. Most have
only one port here, but it's manifold vacume. Mine's plugged, though I might
connect it to my carbon can someday.

2. The horizontal port on the side of the metering block (near the choke on
the pass side), is the ported vacuum port. It (as debated much lately)
applied vacuum as the throttle plates are opened. Generally, this goes to the
distributor.

3. The large 3/8" port on the passenger rear is for the PCV valve
(generally). It's what I've used mine for anyway as I've got another tap to
get the brake booster and other accessory vacumn I've always tried to get the
PCV valve in the pass rear valve cover near this port. Makes for a nice clean
installation with some 3/8" steel tubing!

Hope that helps ya out some.


George in Fl.

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:08:14 EDT
Subject: Re: '78 bumper tabs

In a message dated 9/6/2000 6:08:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TBeeee aol.com
writes:

<<
    I believe these are for the chromed bumper protectors that mount
vertically on either side and have a black rubber pad attached to it.  I
have
a set on a 72 F-100 Explorer I'm parting out.
 >>

Not to start a fight but I disagree. Ive got a 79 Bronco and have notices the
tabs also. The one's he's referring to are too far outboard for the bumper
guards (which typically mount very close to the frame attachment points).
I've used them for some fog lights etc in the past, but have no idea what
Ford intended them for. External reinforcement struts maybe?!?

George in Fl.

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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: I'm getting my 390 dyno'd, anyone want to guess how m
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:13:05 -0500

Are we talking about a chassis dyno, or just the engine dyno? On an engine
dyno, I'd think you're guessing on the low side with 250hp and 300ft/lbs.
Jason

> Is 250 horsepower a realistic guess? 300 ft lbs of torque?
>
>
> ---Garrett www.1966ford.com



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From: "Alexander or Karen Cline" <cline4 earthlink.net>
Subject: oil gauge
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:25:15 -0400


Help !!!!!!!!!

My 79 oil gauge doesn't seem to be registering, one second it worked the next it didn't. Dipstick showing plenty of oil but, gauge reads below the "L".  Any suggestions ???

Thanks Alex

79 F-250 Custom Supercab Explorer



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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: I'm getting my 390 dyno'd, anyone want to guess how m
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:18:13 -0500


Engine dyno.

---Garrett www.1966ford.com



 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Jason and Kathy
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:13 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Re: I'm getting my 390 dyno'd, anyone want to guess how much it will put out?


 Are we talking about a chassis dyno, or just the engine dyno? On an engine
 dyno, I'd think you're guessing on the low side with 250hp and 300ft/lbs.
 Jason

 > Is 250 horsepower a realistic guess? 300 ft lbs of torque?
 >
 >
 > ---Garrett www.1966ford.com




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Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:35:23 -0600
From: William Whited <f10074 ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: oil gauge

On my 74 there is any electrical type connection that sometimes comes off of the oil pressure thing that is located directly above my fuel pump, I have a 390 and then I put it
back on on and everything is fine.

Alexander or Karen Cline wrote:

> Help !!!!!!!!!
>
> My 79 oil gauge doesn't seem to be registering, one second it worked the next it didn't. Dipstick showing plenty of oil but, gauge reads below the "L".  Any suggestions ???
>
> Thanks Alex
>
> 79 F-250 Custom Supercab Explorer
>
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74 F100 Ranger Supercab 390
77 F150 Custom 460
El Paso, TX
Semper Fi USMC



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From: JXS <bdijxs bridgetest.com>
Subject: Ticking Carb Problem Found! I'm a moron!
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:34:47 -0700

Replacing those pushrods are a good idea....

But just going ahead and putting an FE in would be better....

Sorry, buddy, couldn't resist!

CJ



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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:52:04 -0400
From: Don Haring <haring fedora.net>
Subject: Re: Ticking Carb Problem Found!  I'm a moron!

Tony Marino <redneck raex.com> said:
>Well, Tonight I decided to figure out just why my truck runs like crap...
(snip)
>As soon as I pulled the valve cover, I saw the whole problem...
(snip)
>Score one for stupidity-  Thank you all for your help- this was a great
>learning experience!

Hey, Tony, I wouldn't chalk any of this up to stupidity. Sounds like you
were able to diagnose the problem and fix it. I'd say that counts for
something. I know that I've had a heck of a time tracking down weird noises
in my truck before. The acoustics of the van are such that it's really hard
to tell where things are coming from. Just a few months back, I heard a
horrible intermittant metal-to-metal scraping noise coming from one of the
drums. I thought for sure it was the left rear. I checked all the drums and
it was the LAST one I checked -- the right front. :(  A brake hold-down
popped loose. Just be glad that you know how to fix such things. Imagine if
you took it to a shop and said the carb was ticking. A few hundred dollars
later, you might have a new carb and a bent pushrod. :)

-don

Don Haring, Jr., Philadelphia, PA
FCA Keystone Chapter Editor
61 Futura, 66 Club Wagon and classic scooters



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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust tips for 69 F250 2wd C6 and dual tanks
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:22:48 -0400

I would use the 2  1/2  "   pipe with  turbo mufflers that exit at a 45
degree angle in front of the rear tires. (if your state will allow that)
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael <danger csolutions.net>
To: FTE List <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:34 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Exhaust tips for 69 F250 2wd C6 and dual tanks


>    What would recommend placing behind a set of full length Hooker
>competition headers (#6903) in a 69 F250 with 390 4V?
>
>    Midas mufflers has suggested a 2 1/4" or 2 1/2" dual exhaust (crossover
>pipe was never mentioned), using a lifetime turbo muffler and pipes exiting
>behind the rear tires ($325-$350 with new hangers).
>
>    What say ye?
>
>Michael
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From: "Pat" <patsplace aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Rust issues  (Was:  Headlight Adjustment Nuts)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:24:58 -0700

    I suppose it could be worse, he could be bragging about Ch#v% let
superiority. Living on the BC coast, I was looking at a swiss cheese frame
today. Oh well.
    Was working all day with a '49 Mercury 2 1/2Ton with a HighAb
(Expanding the shop) Neat old truck. Makes the term "Strong like Truck" make
sense.
Pat
Patsplace
77 F250 4X4
78 F150 W/Overloads
72 Ranger parts truck
79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction)
78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT.

Gosh I love Las Vegas, I could go out right now to any wreckin yard, and
take
anything I wanted, never once needing a hot wrench or air gun
Darrell & Tweety





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From: daves8 juno.com
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:53:17 -0600
Subject: Re: oil gauge

If the engine doesn't sound any different (noisy), you probably either
lost the gauge or the sending unit. (Most likely the sending unit.)

Hook up a mechanical oil pressure gauge at the oil filter (where the
sending unit for the existing gauge is) and see if you really do have oil
pressure.  If the mechanical gauge reads OK, you probably need a new
sending unit for the oem gauge.  Try alternately grounding and
disconnecting the wire at the sending unit and see if the needle on the
oem gauge moves. (Do this with ignition on but engine not running.)

Dave Schoenberg
Arvada, Colorado


On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:25:15 -0400 "Alexander or Karen Cline"
<cline4 earthlink.net> writes:
>
> Help !!!!!!!!!
>
> My 79 oil gauge doesn't seem to be registering, one second it worked
> the next it didn't. Dipstick showing plenty of oil but, gauge reads
> below the "L".  Any suggestions ???
>
> Thanks Alex
>
> 79 F-250 Custom Supercab Explorer

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From: "Michael" <danger csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust tips for 69 F250 2wd C6 and dual tanks
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:55:38 -0700

> I would use the 2  1/2  "   pipe with  turbo mufflers that exit at a 45
> degree angle in front of the rear tires. (if your state will allow that)
~~~~~~~~

   The current exhaust pipe is exiting in front of the rear tires at a 90
degree angle. With the windows down, the exhaust sound reverberates
(echoes?) inside the cab and is rather loud. I'd rather have the new exhaust
pipe exit as far away from the cab as possible, especially using headers
with turbo mufflers.

Michael
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: I'm getting my 390 dyno'd, anyone want to guess how m
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:58:22 -0400

I'm getting my 390 dyno'd, anyone want to guess how much it will put out?


=============================================================
i didnt see if you had installed headers or not if so i would say about 350
h.p. if not i would guess around 330 h.p.
these figures could go + or -  10 horses tho i think
gordon


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 ALLTEL.NET>
Subject: Re: TRUCK PARTS
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:42:27 -0400

BOY
thats great for you HUH
did you look at their trucks and cars???????
its a real shame they will only sell parts tho and not complete vehicles
isnt it theres allot of them that look like they could be drivers pretty
easy
gordon
===============

> Well ... Nope ... I didn't know about them. And they're only 20 miles from
> here!!!  Guess I don't get out enuff! Thanks for the info Gordon
>
> Gregster
> '77 F-250 Explorer 4x4
>
>
> >
> > =========================================================
> > jeeesh
> > i cant beleive you guys live in MAINE and dont know about one of the
largest
> > parts yards around who deals STRICTLY with FORDS ONLY
> > BUT here is the web page for them
> > www.classicford.com
> > gordon
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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:19:33 EDT
Subject: Re: Advance

In a message dated 09/06/2000 7:45:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gpeters3 lni.net writes:

<< you actually get more advance when
you decelerate.  >>

What year of ford has this setup? I have never had a ford with this.

Rollie H. Hunt

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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:41:31 -0400
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: '78 bumper tabs

>Not to start a fight but I disagree. Ive got a 79 Bronco and have notices the
>tabs also. The one's he's referring to are too far outboard for the bumper
>guards (which typically mount very close to the frame attachment points).
>I've used them for some fog lights etc in the past, but have no idea what
>Ford intended them for. External reinforcement struts maybe?!?

Yep, the bumper guards mount using the regular four holes in the bumper -
same as a truck that doesn't have the guards. Any extra holes or tabs are
for something else...


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 05:24:01 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: '78 bumper tabs



GMontgo930 aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/6/2000 6:08:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TBeeee aol.com
> writes:
>
> <<
>      I believe these are for the chromed bumper protectors that mount
>  vertically on either side and have a black rubber pad attached to it.  I
> have
>  a set on a 72 F-100 Explorer I'm parting out.
>   >>
>
> Not to start a fight but I disagree. Ive got a 79 Bronco and have notices the
> tabs also. The one's he's referring to are too far outboard for the bumper
> guards (which typically mount very close to the frame attachment points).
> I've used them for some fog lights etc in the past, but have no idea what
> Ford intended them for. External reinforcement struts maybe?!?
>
> George in Fl.

My '77 Explorer has the vertical gaurds that mount right over the bumper bolts
and the rubber horizontal strips in the middle. However, there's no other holes
underneath ... ?

Gregster
'77 F-250 Explorer 4x4

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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 05:31:34 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Rust issues (Was: Headlight Adjustment Nuts)

Sorry Bob. This was supposed to go to the list but somehow got sent
directly to you. Why don't I pay attention, huh! lol

Andersons wrote:

> No smoke wrench here, Greg, but a pretty serious case of rust in the
rear
> chassis area of my '77 F-150 4x4.  I'm working on making a new shock
mount
> for the right side, as the old one rusted and broke.  I ground off the

rivet
> heads and beat them out of the frame.  Both rear spring mounts look
pretty
> bad- you can see light thru the metal in places.  What do you
recommend on
> these, after the cutting is done?  Have you fabricated other mounts,
or can
> these be gotten from aftermarket or Ford?  Maybe just leave it alone?
> Thanks,
>
> Bob

Well, I think I would be replacing the mounts if you can see light
through them,
especially if you haul any weight at all. LMC Truck has replacment
mounts for
your model truck. It would be wise to use grade 8 fine thread bolts when

you put
it together and check them after 200 miles or so. Another hint: after
you grind
the rivets off flush, drill a 5/16 or 3/8 hole thru them. They'll pound
out much
easier as long as your punch don't go in the hole.

I've never fabbed any mounts for a pu, but I once put a '85 Ford cab on
a 2.5
ton military frame. I removed the back rear-end and had to fab hangers
for the
springs to rest on. This was an awesome looking beast but I traded it
off on one
of my days of stupidity. If I can find a pic of it, will post it
somewhere.

Gregster
'77 F-250 Explorer 4x4


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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 07:22:45 -0400
From: Tony Marino <redneck raex.com>
Subject: Re: Ticking Carb Problem Found! I'm a moron!

Why does this sound like those bumper stickers -- "My other car is a
mustang" --

Maybe I should get one for this truck that says "My other truck is an FE 390"?

;-)

I do have to admit one thing through- and it makes me laugh-- I've been
driving that F-250 390 combo for about 6 months now- and when I did get the
ole' 300 fired up and running right, I took it for a drive down the road
bouncing around with the 1/2 ton suspension and steering, and when I pushed
the gas to take off, all I could think of  was "this is it?"   ;-)

Yeah, an FE has got part of my heart, but I'll still take my 300 for work.

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com

At 19:34 9/6/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Replacing those pushrods are a good idea....
>
>But just going ahead and putting an FE in would be better....
>
>Sorry, buddy, couldn't resist!
>
>CJ
>
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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:31:03 -0700
From: William King <kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Was TRUCK PARTS, NOW:I love junkyards.

Coincidence?
I had to call Classic Ford a couple weeks ago for some Torino parts, but
they couldn't help me.  It seems that their personnel problems are serious
enough that they can't even check their Ford inventory. Darn shame :-(

Anyway, as I sat here in work drinking my coffee and reading the beloved
FTE digest, I couldn't help but have a day-dream about quitting my job,
moving to Maine, and working in the Classic Ford yard.  For a moment
it really seemed like a good idea. What an awesome job that would be.
Am I the only one who gets excited going to junkyards?  Of course, I was
quickly snapped back to reality.

I used to work in a wrecking yard in Lowell, Mass, and I loved it.  I'd
think about all the neat hybrid cars and trucks I could build if they
only gave me free access to the place.  If there's ever a nuclear war, I'm
moving to the middle of a junkyard.

Daydreaming Ohio Bill
1968 F100 360 2v 4 speed
1968 Torino GT 429 4v 4 speed

>jeeesh
>i cant beleive you guys live in MAINE and dont know about one of the largest
>parts yards around who deals STRICTLY with FORDS ONLY
>BUT here is the web page for them
>www.classicford.com
>gordon


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: 300's, 390's and 460's..
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:43:08 -0700

I fired up my pickup for the first time in a year and put plates on it (I've
fired it up in the garage to keep the moisture out though) and I had
forgotten just what a 460 felt like.  There simply is no comparison to any
vehicle I have EVER driven as to the simple G force it exerts when you
"Ease" down on the gas.......:-)

Course any engine that sits for that long is bound to have some problems and
mine is no exception.  Fortunately I took the cell phone with me on the
maiden voyage into town because the fuel pump quit on the way home so guess
where I will be this morning? :-(  BTW, my wife calls my truck the "Sanford
and Sons"  truck.

In case anyone is contemplating an electric fuel pump, leave the stock
mechanical pump in place.  Next time I tear this one down I will be putting
the pump cam follower back on so I can re-install the stock pump.  Two heads
are better than one........Penny wise and........

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> the gas to take off, all I could think of  was "this is it?"   ;-)
>
> Yeah, an FE has got part of my heart, but I'll still take my 300 for work.



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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Advance
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:00:53 -0700

Ok, let me rephrase that.......at the instant you begin to decelerate you
have max advance.  Obviously as the engine actually slows down the
mechanical advance decreases as does the vacuum.  It is in a "Decending
order" initiating with max and eventually going to a lesser advance or what
some people call "Retardation".

ALL Fords do this for one very simple reason, timing is almost entirely
dependent on fuel mixture and rpm.  RPM changes the amount of time the flame
has to get across the piston top so higher rpm means more advance and fuel
mixture changes the rate of burn, richer being faster so less advance.
Remember that at no time does and engine ever really have a "retarded"
spark.  It will never go below the initial timing setting which in most
cases will be between 8-12 degrees advanced so more retard is incorrect,
less advance is the proper way to view it :-) (this assumes a normal single
vac arrangement of course)  We can say "Retarding from a given advanced
state" however and get away with it :-)

High rpm,  rich mixture means one mitigates the other such as at WOT where
the vacuum advance is basically out of the loop (less advance) but high rpm,
lean mixture means you need max advance to burn all the fuel efficiently
which is what you have when you "Begin" to decelerate where the throttle is
closed and rpm is high producing both advance triggers, lean mixture and
high rpm.

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> << you actually get more advance when
>  you decelerate.  >>
>
> What year of ford has this setup? I have never had a ford with this.



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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 06:32:58 -0700
From: Don <donr nidlink.com>
Subject: Re: oil gauge

After my first 400 in a 79 F250 4x4 and the oil gauge reading near zero
(factory electrical gauge) I now put on the second 400 79 bronco, a
mechanical oil gauge along with the electrical factory gauge and ALWAYS
believe the mechanical gauge and the factory gauge is kinda a
...hmmmm..isn't that interesting....it is simple on the 351/400 on the back
of the manifold is where the electrical sender is mounted and I just ran a
tee fitting and have both hooked up.
Don

At 23:25 9/6/00 -0400, you wrote:

>Help !!!!!!!!!
>
>My 79 oil gauge doesn't seem to be registering, one second it worked the
>next it didn't. Dipstick showing plenty of oil but, gauge reads below the
>"L".  Any suggestions ???
>
>Thanks Alex
>
>79 F-250 Custom Supercab Explorer
>
>
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:42:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Advance

>Not typically John.  Your description was correct but it causes advance not

>retard.  The vac arm is on the right hand side of the shaft and when it
>pulls it causes the pickup plate to move "clockwise" while the shaft is
>rotating counter clockwise as you said so you actually get more advance when

>you decelerate.

OKay, so you've got clockwise rotation of the dist. right ?  And you pull the
plate in a clockwise direction right ?  that means the firing point will be
delayed because it will take longer for the rotor to get to it on that particular
rotation ... delaying the spark is retarding the timing from its original point
because the piston will be farther along in its travel, hence closer to TDC
...


>There was a reverse vacuum diaphram system on some models in the 70's but
>they didn't last too long.

Considering the large number of trucks that are covered by this list, finding
out which of those they are might make a huge difference ... for some reason
I have a hunch that things did change with the DS-I and DS-II systems along
with a few other variables ... and we're talkin about trucks all right in that ....


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