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61-79-list Digest Mon, 04 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 226

In This Issue:
Re: headers for my 66 with a 390...and some other stuff
Re: headers for my 66 with a 390...and some other stuff
Re: Bench Seat
Re: Vacuum controls
My Carb Ticks!!!  No kidding! (thanks for the bench seat
Re: New 390 Pix
Re: engine with no cam shaft
Re: Omaha Show?
Re: Looking for help - diesel fuel in a gas motor
Re: Headlight Adjustment Nuts
Re: Headlight Adjustment Nuts
Re: [Fwd: team logo cats]
Re: Vacuum controls
Re: Vacuum controls
Omaha meet
'74 F250
Re: [Fwd: team logo cats]
Re: Headlight Adjustment Nuts
Rust issues  (Was:  Headlight Adjustment Nuts)
OK, I have my choices for headers narrowed down to 2...
Well, I own it!
Re: Vacuum controls
Clutches...
Re: Omaha meet

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: headers for my 66 with a 390...and some other stuff
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:48:28 -0400

I had ordered a set of Flow-Tech headers thru Summit Racing.  They were for
my 94  F-150   with a 302 in it(2-wheel drive)  they were the shorty style
that were supposed to hook right up to the  factory  Y-pipe.  Got news for
you ---they didn't even come close. I had to send them back & they  sent my
money back.  Just my 2 cents worth.
-----Original Message-----
From: GMontgo930 aol.com <GMontgo930 aol.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 10:25 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: headers for my 66 with a 390...and some other
stuff


>My 2 worth on the topic of Flowtech Headers. - You get what you pay for.
>I've got a set  on my '79 Bronco (4wd) and I'm not real impressed with
them.
>The fit was/is ok, but the quality is not what I was expecting. They had
>holes in the welds (down by teh collectors) that I didnt find till after
the
>exhaust was installed. I know it's a 4wd, but the drivers side literally
>follows teh side of the block on down. It mates in a real strange way with
>the rest of the system by literally looping under teh front drive shaft
>before snaking plast the xfer case.
>
>I dont want to say they are junk, but take a close look before you install
>em. Guess that can be said about all parts really. I was so thrilled, I
didnt
>examine them real close as I installed them. BTW, it wa on a '79 Bronco 4WD
>with a 400 & C6.
>
>George M in Fl.
>
>In a message dated 9/4/2000 12:31:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>burgess4 gte.net writes:
>
><< Hi Garret,
>
> JC Whitney lists a FLOW TECH header 65-76 352-428 2wd  97.95
>
> dPrasse
>  >>
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: headers for my 66 with a 390...and some other stuff
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:59:08 -0400

thats the nice thing about SUMITT they will refund your money no questions
asked really ive delt with them for years and never had any problems with
them
gordon

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> I had ordered a set of Flow-Tech headers thru Summit Racing.  They were
for
> my 94  F-150   with a 302 in it(2-wheel drive)  they were the shorty style
> that were supposed to hook right up to the  factory  Y-pipe.  Got news for
> you ---they didn't even come close. I had to send them back & they  sent
my
> money back.  Just my 2 cents worth.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GMontgo930 aol.com <GMontgo930 aol.com>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 10:25 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: headers for my 66 with a 390...and some other
> stuff
>
>
> >My 2 worth on the topic of Flowtech Headers. - You get what you pay for.
> >I've got a set  on my '79 Bronco (4wd) and I'm not real impressed with
> them.
> >The fit was/is ok, but the quality is not what I was expecting. They had
> >holes in the welds (down by teh collectors) that I didnt find till after
> the
> >exhaust was installed. I know it's a 4wd, but the drivers side literally
> >follows teh side of the block on down. It mates in a real strange way
with
> >the rest of the system by literally looping under teh front drive shaft
> >before snaking plast the xfer case.
> >
> >I dont want to say they are junk, but take a close look before you
install
> >em. Guess that can be said about all parts really. I was so thrilled, I
> didnt
> >examine them real close as I installed them. BTW, it wa on a '79 Bronco
4WD
> >with a 400 & C6.
> >
> >George M in Fl.
> >
> >In a message dated 9/4/2000 12:31:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >burgess4 gte.net writes:
> >
> ><< Hi Garret,
> >
> > JC Whitney lists a FLOW TECH header 65-76 352-428 2wd  97.95
> >
> > dPrasse
> >  >>
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Bench Seat
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 01:05:44 -0400

I must assume that Gordon used the new tracks in
> his old truck. Another dealer told me that the 97-up seats will work the
> same also by changing the tracks, but I have not tried this yet.
Dan Herrmann
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YEP
used the new tracks with the new seats i figured why use the old tracks if
the seat was wore out they would be next to go then and i hate messing with
a seat that wont adjust
gordon


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From: "Hogan, Tom" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Vacuum controls
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 03:54:44 -0700


>
>
> Does anyone know what the vacuum fittings on the thermostat
> housing and the manifold do, what temp are they set to, and
> the best way to incorporate them in the vacuum advance so
> that it doesn't advance when the engine is cold, I replaced
> the stock carb w/an edlebrock and broke a fitting that the
> local ford doesn't know what is/does.
> thanks
> curt
>

What size/year motor?

Tom H

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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:44:59 -0400
From: Tony Marino <redneck raex.com>
Subject: My Carb Ticks!!!  No kidding! (thanks for the bench seat

I love these new problems!

I fired up the 300 again in my winter truck yesterday-  Everything is
hooked up and running sweet-- but I have this little problem.

The 300 is my offy 4V conversion, with dual exhaust, blah blah blah-- it's
running the same 600cfm carter carb that I took off of it about a year
ago.   I didn't run the carb on anything else since I took it off, nor did
I open it up or rebuilt it.

So I fire up this motor, and it's all happy with nice crisp response, but
it TICKS REALLY LOUD!!!!! and believe it or not, it's the carb that is
ticking!!!   I've never heard of this before, so I'm hoping somebody else
has--  The place it feels like it's ticking the most is on top right where
there are two little dime sized plates held down with torque head screws
between the primaries and secondary openings.  those little metal caps you
can feel tappin' away- and it's very loud- like a sticky lifter or so-

Any Ideas on this one?

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:55:44 GMT
Subject: Re: New 390 Pix

>It was surprisingly stock, with just a cam, a set of
>headers, a set of 427 or 428 heads (can't remember which) and matching
>intake.

That's stock ?  Yikes, guess I haven't modified my vehciles at all then.

Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:57:39 GMT
Subject: Re: engine with no cam shaft

>You are right for the distributor, but the oil pump would have to be
>mechanical with no cam or something to turn it.
>

They noted a 4.6L Ford was used for testing, this is probably because it uses
both the DIS ignition system (crank triggered) and an oil pump that is driven
by the crank as well, bolts onto the front of the motor behind the timing chains.
Its pretty cool to pull the alternator and be able to reach your hand through
the front of the motor and touch the back of it without pulling any other parts
:)

Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:59:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Omaha Show?

>Well Gang, I'm on line from home, happily retired now and ready to spread my
wings like Azie :-)  I have a truck related question for the gang.......Michelle
mentioned a show in Omaha around September last year......anyone know when it
is and what it is all about?
>


Interesting ... if anyone hears anymore about it, lemme know, I'd like to visit
HP Motorsports out there anyway a truck show would be a big bonus for that sort
of trip (only a few hours from here) ...

Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:03:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for help - diesel fuel in a gas motor



>My friend is having big problems with his truck (390FE).  The oil light is

>coming on at idle and there is loud ticking like valve noise.

That would be big problems for sure ... have you determined if it is valve noise
or not ?  My truck was doing a similar thing, but go fig, it wasn't vavletrain
as it only did it in park if I remember right ... been a while since I played
with the old 360 and can't tell if the 390's doin it or not, don't think so
though ...

>  The worst
>thing is that the motor turns over fine when it is cold, but if it is warm

>the starter can barely crank it over.  After it cools down it will crank
>easily again.
>
>Is it possible that the motor is binding up due to the lack of lubrication

>when hot?
>

Possible, but this is a classic symptom of timing being too far advanced.

>Anyways, he says this all started when he mistakenly put diesel fuel in
>the truck.  After discovering the mistake he took it to a guy who siphoned

>out the diesel and changed the oil.   He may have done some other things,
>but that is all he told me.
>

I wouldn't have expected nearly this much bad stuff to happen unless the mechanic
used some thin oil or something that the motor wasn't used to (like 5w30 on
a motor that's run straight 30w for years, or a high detergent oil), even then
I wouldn't expect things to get quite that bad ... I'd check the plugs and such
too as i would expect them to get fouled ... and maybe another oil change to
be sure the oil is correct...


Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:55:26 -0500
Subject: Re: valve clatter
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> At 10:31 AM 8/31/00 -0700, you wrote:
> Winter grade vs. summer grade gasolines have some differences which have to
> do with the RVP (Reid Vapor Pressure).
> They sell a fuel in the winter or cooler months that has many more vapors
> (higher RVP)to help the fuel burn better to help offset the cooler temps.
> In the summer or warmer months they sell a fuel that has a lower RVP
> because the warmer temps make up for the lower RVP.

Sorry for the lag time. Love those long weekends. Thanks for this
information. It makes sense.


> snip<
> I have seen batches of product come into the Ashland terminal from an Exxon
> bulk plant in Atlanta via pipeline(and practically every other major
> supplier) and sold as unbranded and branded product depending on who was
> buying it (example Shell) - all through an Ashland terminal.  The exact
> same product was being shipped across town that same afternoon to Exxon and
> sold as Exxon branded product - Go figure.  The only differences were the
> additives and detergents put into gasolines.  Our 87 products had a lower
> percentage of additive than 89 and premium.

I have heard this tale before from other terminal workers.

> snip, again<
> If it makes you feel any better, I have also had to go up this summer on my
> '95 Crown Vic from 87 to 89 octane due to some pinging.  My V-10 Excursion
> pings ever so slightly on 89 when under load which I know is sometimes
> normal for any engine ......I will switch back this fall to 87 in it to see
> how they both run.

Somehow, knowing someone has a V10 Excursion and I don't doesn't make me
feel any better... ;-) But since it's you, Stu, I can be happy again.

-- John
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1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:59:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Vacuum controls
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> This is a vacuum switch activated by higher engine coolant temperatures. When
> the engine is running hotter (around 235 degrees), this switch allows
> manifold vacuum to the advance port on the distributor even at idle. I am
> told this will cool down a hot running engine in heavy traffic.

I'm not disagreeing with you, Rollie, but this is the first time I have ever
heard of this. I was under the impression that the vacuum switch retarded
the ignition timing during warm up to reduce emissions. ?????

-- John
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:12:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Headlight Adjustment Nuts
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

>  I was upgrading to Hella Halogen last night and was replacing the
> adjusting nut and screw. The new nuts I have just kinda slop into the hole
> loosely.  Will it expand enough when I put the new bolt in to hold it in
> place, or am I screwed. ( Bad pun intended. )     : )

Ted, I read through my back log and didn't see a reply to your question. I
am assuming that the nuts you refer to are the plastic ones that snap in the
square hole from the backside of the radiator support. Even if they snap in
from the front like a license plate nut, the same holds true. They do indeed
tighten up when you put the screw through them. Typically, though, they bear
a minimum amount of weight as the holder rests against the radiator support
also. Even if they don't get tight in the hole, they should perform their
function.

-- John
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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 11:55:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Headlight Adjustment Nuts

I agree that these should expand as the bolt is inserted, Is it not also correct that the tensioner spring helps keep the adjusting bolts from potentially wobbling around anyway?

Thom B.
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In a message dated Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:14:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com> writes:

<< >  Typically, though, they bear
a minimum amount of weight as the holder rests against the radiator support
also. Even if they don't get tight in the hole, they should perform their
function. >>



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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 11:27:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Headlight Adjustment Nuts
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> I agree that these should expand as the bolt is inserted, Is it not also
> correct that the tensioner spring helps keep the adjusting bolts from
> potentially wobbling around anyway?

You are right about the spring doing most of the  work. The screws change
the tilt of the head light pan (that thing's got a name, but I'll be dipped
if I can think of it right now). They sometimes have pressure on them, but
it should be minimal. They usually fail due to age related deterioration,
not stress fatigue. In many cars of the 50s and 60s they were made of metal
and never had to be replaced, at least not down here in Texas (no winter
salt).

-- John
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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:14:08 EDT
Subject: Re: Headlight Adjustment Nuts

Let me tell you how us "northerners" envy you southern "boys the way you can get a bumper bolt off (or any other bolt for that matter) and actually re-use 'em!


Thom
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In a message dated Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:29:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com> writes:

<< In many cars of the 50s and 60s they were made of metal
and never had to be replaced, at least not down here in Texas (no winter
salt). >>



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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:36:15 -0700
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: team logo cats]


Here is the answer I got from my Packer lovin Mom ...


Hi Dave,
I tried to reply to this question, but was rejected because my email
address
is not on the subscriber list.  Guess you'll have to answer him for me.
The
Packers played in the Jan. 15,1967  Super Bowl I (1966 season) and in
the
Jan. 14, 1968 Super Bowl (1967 season).  Of course, they won them both!!
-
Hope that helps you out ...

dave "daBears" Prasse

> Ya'll, i'm a huge cheesehead. I'm planning a new car. does anyone know
> if the packers went to the superbowl in 67, 68, or 69?
>
> --
> Andrew Rolfsen
> 1971 AMC Javelin SST
> 1968 Mercury Cougar
> 1966 Plymouth Fury III
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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:05:48 EDT
Subject: Re: Vacuum controls

In a message dated 09/05/2000 11:03:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:

<< I was under the impression that the vacuum switch retarded
the ignition timing during warm up to reduce emissions. >>

That must be on some California models. I am going with what would be
nationwide specs except California. Also, the other type of setup I have seen
will advance the timing at a cold start below 128 degrees. This would apply
to 1978 or newer cars and trucks. There are sure to be many different coolant
temperature PVS's out there. I only know of these for fords built in the
1970's without California emissions.

Any Californian's out there want to add to this?

Rollie H. Hunt

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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:34:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Vacuum controls
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Also, the other type of setup I have seen
> will advance the timing at a cold start below 128 degrees.

Rollie,
A typo? Duh, you mean coolant temperature and not air temperature. Stupidity
strikes somewhere every 5.7 seconds. Next time, I'm getting out of the way.

Don't tell the feds, but on my 79s I have bypassed these vacuum controls.
There are still lots and lots of hoses connected to them, but they all go
back to themselves. To the casual observer, everything looks OK.

Let's see now, how can a vacuum control advance the timing? Why would you
want to? If you are hooked up straight through you are getting maximum
vacuum. You can't make more without a pump. Sign me confuse-ed. Dang, I
didn't move after all.....

-- John
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:52:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Vacuum controls


>Let's see now, how can a vacuum control advance the timing? Why would you
>want to? If you are hooked up straight through you are getting maximum
>vacuum.


Actually John, the way I've always heard it is that one port is manifold vaccuum,
the ohter is "ported" or "timed" or "delayed".

When you're on manifold there's vaccuum at idle, when you're on ported, there's
not,it only comes on after the throttle plates have been cracked open a bit
... the switch is to help the vehicle warm up and run cleaner, at least that's
my understanding of it ... switching between the vaccuums you can tell a difference
if the vehicle is designed for one or the other ... also hooking up a vaccuum
gauge will tell you right away which one you're using at any given time ...
so with a temp gauge that has numbers and a vaccuum gauge hooked to the dist.
vaccuum hose you can tell when it switches too ...

Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:59:12 GMT
Subject: Omaha meet

Gary, et al.  Not sure if this is the exact one, but found on the Hemmings site
that the meet was the Great Plains F100 Nationals ... and it was Sat.  (I was
in NE on Sat. too!)

Des Moines shows "Iowa Crossroads Classic Car & Truck Show"  whatever that is,
its on the 23rd ...

Benton IL also has a truck show, but don't really know where Benton is ... its
also on the 30th which I can guarantee I'll be spending at the Marshalltown
Go-Kart track runnin my Mustang to see if I can get to the 82 sec mark for 2
laps.

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:13:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Vacuum controls
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Actually John, the way I've always heard it is that one port is manifold
vaccuum,
> the ohter is "ported" or "timed" or "delayed".
>
> When you're on manifold there's vaccuum at idle, when you're on ported,
there's
> not,it only comes on after the throttle plates have been cracked open a bit
> ... the switch is to help the vehicle warm up and run cleaner, at least that's
> my understanding of it ... switching between the vaccuums you can tell a
difference
> if the vehicle is designed for one or the other ...

I'll buy that. OK, it is a matter of semantics. If you switch from ported to
manifold you would be "advancing" the timing.

-- John
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:21:34 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: '74 F250

Here is a link to some before and after pix of my '74 F-250.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=257053&a=8557896


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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:46:55 -0700
From: Negative Image <negativeimage earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: team logo cats]

whoop, da cat's going green and yellow.

dave Prasse wrote:

> Here is the answer I got from my Packer lovin Mom ...
>
> Hi Dave,
> I tried to reply to this question, but was rejected because my email
> address
> is not on the subscriber list.  Guess you'll have to answer him for me.
> The
> Packers played in the Jan. 15,1967  Super Bowl I (1966 season) and in
> the
> Jan. 14, 1968 Super Bowl (1967 season).  Of course, they won them both!!
> -
> Hope that helps you out ...
>
> dave "daBears" Prasse
>
> > Ya'll, i'm a huge cheesehead. I'm planning a new car. does anyone know
> > if the packers went to the superbowl in 67, 68, or 69?
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Rolfsen
> > 1971 AMC Javelin SST
> > 1968 Mercury Cougar
> > 1966 Plymouth Fury III
> >
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Andrew Rolfsen
1971 AMC Javelin SST
1968 Mercury Cougar
1966 Plymouth Fury III



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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Headlight Adjustment Nuts
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:09:15 -0500


Yeah no kidding! (I'm in Minnesota, the heart of the rust belt)

---Garrett www.1966ford.com


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: TBeeee aol.com
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:14 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Headlight Adjustment Nuts


 Let me tell you how us "northerners" envy you southern "boys the way you can get a bumper bolt off (or any other bolt for that matter) and actually re-use 'em!


 Thom
 67 F-Series Registry
 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee


 In a message dated Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:29:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com> writes:

 << In many cars of the 50s and 60s they were made of metal
 and never had to be replaced, at least not down here in Texas (no winter
 salt). >>




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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:41:24 EDT
Subject: Rust issues  (Was:  Headlight Adjustment Nuts)

Ever hear of the Salt City??  That's where I'm from and I have the rusty
frames to prove it!

Thom
1967 F-Series Registry
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee


> Yeah no kidding! (I'm in Minnesota, the heart of the rust belt)
>

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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: OK, I have my choices for headers narrowed down to 2...
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:02:31 -0500


Both are full length:

Hooker's for $170, or Heddman's for $140

I'm leaning towards the Heddman's and will probably order them from Summit Racing within a few days.


---Garrett www.1966ford.com


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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Well, I own it!
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:25:07 -0500


  Yesterday I wrote the list and said that I might be trading for another truck. Tonight, it's mine. It's a '78 F150 Ranger Lariat Supercab with a four barrel 460, C6, dual gas tanks, a propane conversion, and it's set up for hauling a trailer (electric trailer brake controller). I traded a $200 motorcycle for it, and I have to throw in another $50. Not bad, huh?? Anyway, it's got a lot of small stuff that needs repaired, so it'll keep me busy for awhile.
 I need some help with the vin numbers, though. My Chilton's is useless. The truck was made in Canada in March of 1978.
X15JKBG68763 is the vin number
139" wheelbase
8S is the color
X150 is the body style
KBM is the body
G = tranny
13A = axle
6050 max gvwr
DSO 75

Thanks,
Jason Kendrick


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Vacuum controls
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:11:27 -0700

Not sure where this thread started or what the real question is but the
Vacuum actually does advance the timing so with manifold vacuum hooked up
you get maximum timing advance at idle and cruise.  Any time the throttle is
cracked or opened by even a tiny amount you lose vacuum and the ignition is
retarded by some calibrated amount.

Touring engines and off road, low speed, high torque engines absolutely need
a vacuum advance mechanism to run efficiently.  Racing engines do not
because they are tuned to run best at WOT.

Ported vs Manifold is a matter of total engine design including the cam and
intake.  On many older setups Manifold works best but on some with emissions
carbs and cams the ported may actually work best.  The need is related to
the fuel mixture at various throttle settings etc....Basically, leaner means
more advance.

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> Let's see now, how can a vacuum control advance the timing? Why would you
> want to? If you are hooked up straight through you are getting maximum
> vacuum.


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Clutches...
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:45:00 -0700


Well, I was right in my analysis.  The springs were out of the disk and lying in the flywheel acting sort of like a sprague clutch preventing it from releasing all the way.  All fixed now and new lessons learned :-)

If anyone thinks certain other brands are easier to work on or more interchangeable than Fords he hasn't been around much :-(  This un-named vehicle was a real pain and my other friend's brand x alternator pully was not correct even though the guy looked it up in the book.  I can see different lengths of serpentine belt for different applications, that's almost impossible to get around, but different widths????  Wonder how many widths Ford uses?

Maybe it's not so much of a brand thing as a Car/Truck thing?  Seems like my trucks are so much easier to work on than any of my cars have been.....

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Omaha meet
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:51:17 -0700

Thanks, It looks like my plate is pretty full this year so I will do some
scouting for next year and try to take in a few special events.  I have to
wait 2 months to get my first retirement check so have to watch what I spend
for now.  Having a great time doing what I want to do now and every night I ....


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