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61-79-list Digest Mon, 04 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 225

In This Issue:
Smog diagrams
Re: The Muny Pit
disc to drum on a 66-see tech articles
2-3/4" rear leaf springs?
Looking for help - diesel fuel in a gas motor
Re: headers for my 66 with a 390..
Re: Tires, 16" with 5.5 pattern, found 'em :-)
Re: headers for my 66 with a 390...and some other stuff
ADMIN: New tech article
New 390 in '65 F250 4X4
Help with a few questions 429/460 swap
1967-72 Black Dash Pad (For Sale)
ADMIN: Picture Gallery Additions
Re: Help with a few questions 429/460 swap
Re: bench seat
Re: Help with a few questions 429/460 swap
Re: Help with a few questions 429/460 swap
73-79 seat
New truck mabye!
Re: oil filters
Re: New truck mabye!
Re: oil filters
Re: 73-79 seat
Re: The Muny Pit
Re: The Muny Pit
Re: headers for my 66 with a 390...and some other stuff
Re: Bench Seat

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From: "tony something" <tonysjunk hotmail.com>
Subject: Smog diagrams
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 06:02:31 GMT

I desparatley need a California emissions diagram for a '79 F150 Ranger 2WD.
 I am going to use the motor in a '79 Cougar, and need to know what smog
stuff I can reuse off of the 351Mutt already in the car, what stuff I need
to find at the junk yard, and how it is all supposed to look.  Somebody who
shopped the junkyard and spotted the truck before did me the favor of
stripping the motor down to the long block before I had a chance to get to
it, but I think I can use some smog stuff of a earlier 460's, 351M/400's and
351's (75&up maybe)  anybody with one of these trucks (light duties with
460's) please email me!!  I really really really want to pull this swap off
legally and I need your guys' help with this stuff.  Thanks.

Tony

Lover of the boat anchor and the gas hog

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: The Muny Pit
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 06:24:25 -0700

Well, I must say I don't understand the problem?  I have two 78's and they
run a long time once all the stuff is fixed but when I got them I put quite
a bit into them to fix them up.  They both had about 150k on them so this
was certainly expected.  I do understand that on military pay this may be a
bit more adventuresome to do all at once but I've enjoyed the use of my
trucks for many years with a relatively small outlay.  The engine in my
truck has been in 3 vehicles now, two since it was rebuilt and it still runs
strong.  Both trucks have the original rear ends in them with well over 200k
miles now and the C-6 in the pickup is still like new, shift wise. (Np435 is
another matter)

4x4's are more trouble to maintain, especially if you "Play" a lot.  I don't
play much except in the snow  which is not very hard on the drive train.
Most of my truck's miles have been on the road as daily drivers.  My biggest
issue has been time to do what I really wanted to do with them.  Now that is
no longer an issue but money will become an issue since I'm on a fixed
income so I have to budget now if I want to "Build" that fancy 460 (and I do
:-))

Money Pit?  I call my bronco the "Black Hole" for similar reasons but it's
still cheaper over all than a new truck and more satisfying than being stuck
with a piddly 4.2 or 4.6 or 5.4 with stuff on it I can't even pronounce much
less fix so these trucks will be in my family til I die.  After that they
can do what they want and I won't really care too much :-)

My friend just blew a belt on her car (serpentine) which was old and weather
checked but should have lasted a long time yet.  I put an alternator on it
for her but didn't notice the pulley wasn't quite right for the belt.  After
replacing the ignition pickup and cleaning out the damper and replacing the
belt (Belt took out the ignition at the crank) I noticed that the belt was
riding up on the edge of the alternator pulley and realized that that was
what caused the demise of the original belt so sent her back the place that
sold her the alternator to have it replaced with the correct
one......(interestingly enough this one also had to have the housing rotated
to make it work on this engine) so much for GM interchangeability and
trusting the counter guy, eh?  I expect her car to hold up for a while now
and it's costing her a lot less than a new one of the same quality for sure
with only 11k miles on it.  She got a really good deal.  If she asked for my
advice on a car purchase again I would make the same choice, hands down :-)

All old vehicles need periodic maintenance.  I have since removed the brake
booster on both trucks and fixed the linkage and now the brakes work like
new and will for a long time but I did have to take the time to do the
maintenance :-)

My biggest complaint with the bronco is the fact that the brakes, though
identical to the pickup, don't stop it very well yet the truck brakes do
work pretty well unless it is loaded with 2 tons of stone, then it acts like
the bronco......Stock tire, two tons of stone vs big tires, heavy
vehicle......I  wonder........

BTW,  met a guy at PF with a truck loaded up with a nice 460 package and he
was complaining that he only got........21 mpg on the way
up......WoooooHooooooo!  I just upped my 15 mpg goal, baby :-)

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> I just have to say, I dont believe in Demons or bad Fords. :)
> what I mean when I say it NEVER
> > stops with this demon truck.  On the way over - threw the altenator
belt -



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From: "Harvey, Blaine" <HarveyB sgc.gc.ca>
Subject: disc to drum on a 66-see tech articles
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 07:58:21 -0400

For the answer, look no further than the excellent tech article on
the site by our august webmaster, Mr. Payne. Detailed instructions.

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From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:10:28 EDT
Subject: 2-3/4" rear leaf springs?

Hello, I am at a "cross roads" in converting my 1979 F-350 Crewcab to a 4x4
from 2wd.  The front is completly done, and I have to lif the rear about 5
inches from stock to match the 5" lift in the front.  My questions is has
anybody swapped out the 2-3/4" (or is it 2-1/2") wide rear leaf springs to
the 3" ones?  If so what shackles did you use.  I ask this because the spring
dimensions Eye to Eye is shorter for the 2wd.   sure hope someone can hep me.
Thank You Very Much In Advance!!!   Wayne Grabley (Clifton, NJ)

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From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Looking for help - diesel fuel in a gas motor
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT)

My friend is having big problems with his truck (390FE).  The oil light is
coming on at idle and there is loud ticking like valve noise.  The worst
thing is that the motor turns over fine when it is cold, but if it is warm
the starter can barely crank it over.  After it cools down it will crank
easily again.

Is it possible that the motor is binding up due to the lack of lubrication
when hot?

Anyways, he says this all started when he mistakenly put diesel fuel in
the truck.  After discovering the mistake he took it to a guy who siphoned
out the diesel and changed the oil.   He may have done some other things,
but that is all he told me.

So what I am asking is, what happens when you run diesel in a gas
engine?  Could there be a connection, or is it just coincedence?

Is there anything else we should do to the motor?

Also, is the oil pressure switch before or after the filter?

I know what you are thinking.  "I have this friend...."  Right?  No, my
truck is fine.


Mark in Southwest Washington
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html
--
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
in digest mode


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From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: headers for my 66 with a 390..
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:27:46 -0700 (PDT)

Garrett wrote:
> Anybody have any recommendations on what headers I should buy?

If fit and quality are your primary concerns, I think best solution for
headers on an FE are Sanderson's block hugger, shorty headers.  If you are
looking for higher performance you will want to find something in a full
length header.

I like the Sanderson headers because 4WD full length headers always have
the drivers side drop down real low so the exhaust can be run under the
transfer case.  I have never seen a good way to run the exhaust with these
kind of headers.

You can install and remove them without removing anything else or lifting
the motor.  At least on my truck you only have to remove the winshield
washer tank.  You will really appreciate this when it comes time to
replace your starter. :)

In fact, I like them so much I did a writeup on the installation with lots
of pictures so others can judge whether they would fit in their
trucks.  You can find it on my webpage below.  Follow the Sanderson
Headers link.

> www.jegs.com part # 289-86066 Dynomax Jet Hot coated $209.99... but
>it says they are for a 4wd truck. Would they fit on mine since I have
> a 2wd?

Probably not, for the reasons I mentioned above.  I had a set of 2WD
Dynomax headers on my old '74 Supercab.  They fit well and I thought for
the price, were not too bad.


Mark in Southwest Washington
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html
--
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
in digest mode


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From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Tires, 16" with 5.5 pattern, found 'em :-)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:29:20 -0700 (PDT)

Gary wrote:
> Take a look at this site:

Thanks, Gary.  This is like a dream come true.  I also noticed a 5 on 5.5
five spoke aluminum wheel in 16x7.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.americanracing.com/ar2000/wheels/details.asp?wheelid=16


Mark in Southwest Washington
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html
--
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
in digest mode


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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 11:29:55 -0700
From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: headers for my 66 with a 390...and some other stuff

Hi Garret,

JC Whitney lists a FLOW TECH header 65-76 352-428 2wd  97.95

dPrasse


Garrett Nelson wrote:
>
> Here is what I have found so far:
>
> www.summitracing.com part # HED-89180 Heddman painted headers for $144.39
>
> www.jegs.com part # 289-86066 Dynomax Jet Hot coated $209.99... but it says they are for a 4wd truck. Would they fit on mine since I have a 2wd?
>
> Any other options out there for me?

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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:25:37 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: New tech article

New tech article addition on the Ford Truck Enthusiasts
web site:

First Generation Explorer High Performance Disk Rotor Installation
By Mark Strickland

Enjoy!
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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From: "Ballinger" <ballingr sbmu.net>
Subject: New 390 in '65 F250 4X4
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:37:56 -0500

I've been away from the list awile, the last time I posted, my 390 was still
on the stand.  Here's the latest.

To refesh the memory here's what I built:

Block- Bored .020 over C7ME-A cast at the Cleveland foundry.  Gorgeous high
nickel casting, the machine shop commented on how hard the metal was.  I had
the oil pump to filter passge drilled to 7/16, enlarged the main openings to
match the bearings, drilled out the restriction to the rear main, and
blocked the lifter galleys for the use of a solid cam.  I also had a
427/428CJ style oil filter adapter that came on the engine, large beautiful
passages.
Crank- Passenger car 390, cut .010-.010. Clevite bearings.
Rods- C7AE-B(same number as the 428CJ) with ARP 3/8 bolts.  They are just
like the CJ's except for the bolts, I prefer the 3/8 to the 13/32 so there's
more meat on the rod, the bolts should be plenty strong.
Pistons- TRW forged flat-top L2291F, Sealed Power E-180K moly top rings,
.010 deck clearance, which with the .041 gaskets gives me .051 quench
distance between the piston and head.
Heads- C4AE-G '65 390 Police Interceptor- Stock 2.03/1.56 valves.  Hardened
seats and Ohio factory knurled guides.  Ports are just like a 427LR/ 428CJ,
so I didn't port them.  Chambers came out to 74.5-74.8, so I have a 9.4 to 1
CR.
Intake- I wound up using the Performer after I ported it.  I laid back the
wall on the inside of the turns 3/16 tapering all the way to the pushrods,
and took up the roof 1/4..  It kind of has a trapezoid shaped opening now.
In the top inside corner of the turns I cut a rounded chute that went to the
top edge of the head port and polished it with a hand file, but left the
rest of the port rough.  On the floor I took a punch and dimpled the port
floors as far back as I could go in, and in the plenum I took an old pushrod
and dimpled the floor.  The carb is an 800cfm Q-jet.
Cam-Valvetrain CompCams 270S 224d .050 and .547 lift 110 lobe center 106
intake centerline.  This is a KILLER cam in a 390.  I have the Federa-Mogul
427 style 1.76 adjustable rockers and shafts, and Dove spacers(replacing the
springs between the rockers)  I set my lash at .016 int .018 exh and you can
still hear them. (sounds neat to me) I also slotted the stands like the iron
ones to make them clamp better.  Another thing I ran into was there are two
valvespring baffle types, use the type with the v-shaped tounges that divert
the oil back to the valley with a solid-cam.  Even with restrictors I was
flooding the valve covers and submerging the guides. Smoked awful.  Another
solid-cam thing is that those FM rockers and shafts fit looser than stock,
so you'll need to restrict the oil to the shafts.  I used two Holley jets
per side a #90 (.110 orfice)in first and a #612 (.054 orfice) on top.  They
just pushed into the oil passages under each stand.  The oiling seems about
right now.  The standard volume Melling M57 delivers 25psi idle hot and
45-55 going down the road at 2500-3000.  I don't like high pressure/volume
pumps with stock pans.
Exhaust- Hooker 1 3/4 3 inch collectors with 2 1/4 pipes into blown out
Thrushes dumping at the axle. Sounds like a stock car!
Ignition-Duraspark II with 8.5mm wires and big-cap.  The plugs are Champion
R9YC(yuck, I had to straighten and file every one of them)for now, I need
the equivilent of a Motorcraft BF32, the Champion is as close as I can get
right now.

Thanks to Steve Salas for his advice, you were a big help on the smoking/
oil restriction/retention  issue.

The ride tells the story, my bro-in-law thinks it's pulling 475 lbs ft and
400hp or better(that's what my Desktop Dyno says it will do too), he's a
Chevy guy and can't believe how it runs.  He said it would tear a Mustang
body to pieces.  I treated him to a banzai blast from 40 to 110 mph in high
gear (4.56s with 31.5 tires) It rattles the exhaust like a stock car and
snaps your head back and holds it there til you let off!  Varner, I'm coming
over to take you for a ride soon :-)  HEHEHE!



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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:25:55 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie <kbaillie home.com>
Subject: Help with a few questions 429/460 swap

Hi im starting to get real restricted on time since winter is on its way
so I want to get my engine swap on the move.  I currently have a 360 in
my 74 F250 4x4.
My questions are what do I have to do to get a 460/429 into this truck,
Im running a NP435 along with an NP205.  Will the 435 and the 460 be
able to mat up to each other??? All I ever see is C6's with the 460
I started out want to put in a 390 or 428 but they are very hard to find
in my neck of the woods (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan CANADA)

Which would be a better choice based on performace around town
drivablity and mileage between the two, 429 and 460.  Its going to be my
daily driver.

Thanks
any other information on the subject would also be very appreciated

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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:40:37 EDT
Subject: 1967-72 Black Dash Pad (For Sale)

Hi everybody!

  I have a nice 67-72 black dash pad which I am selling.  It is very plyable
with no damage or cracks;  It does need to be cleaned up a little more and/or
given a fresh coat of vinyl paint.  It can be painted any color to match your
factory interior.  The speaker grille area is perfect.  The defroster grates
could benefit from new paint too.   Picture is at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/dashpad.jpg

   I hope no one is offended by the post here, but I did it based on the
fact that it seems to be a slow "news" day and I really wanted to give list
members the first crack at it.   I am accepting best offer, but reserve the
right to reject all offers.  Please contact me no later than 9:00 p.m.
tomorrow.  Please send all responses off list to tbeeee aol.com

Thanks.

Thom B. (a/k/a Stock Man)
1967 F-Series Registry
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 18:43:04 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Picture Gallery Additions

The following trucks have been added to the Ford
Truck Enthusiasts picture gallery:

2000 Expedition XLT
2000 F150 XLT Sport
1994 Ranger XLT
1986 F-150
1972 F100 XLT
1968 F100
1960 F100
1953 F100

<a href="http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial">http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial</a>

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Help with a few questions 429/460 swap
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:46:45 -0700

Going from FE to 385 is a bit more of a problem than from a 335 and you will
have to get a different bell housing from a 351M or 400 along with the
clutch parts.  As it turns out you may already have the right flywheel since
they say the 390 flywheel works on the 460 but you may want to look into a
stronger, larger clutch.  You should use the truck passenger side manifold
for the 460 or get headers, the car manifold will not be a very good
arrangement for the exhaust routing and may require notching the frame.

In 4x4's there is also the problem of interference between the steering box
and power steering pump and other accessories so truck braket are usually a
necessity or expensive after market ones.

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

> my 74 F250 4x4.
> My questions are what do I have to do to get a 460/429 into this truck,
> Im running a NP435 along with an NP205.  Will the 435 and the 460


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From: SpeedyFords cs.com
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:12:56 EDT
Subject: Re: bench seat

In a message dated 9/3/00 9:38:21 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<< Thanks- I need to find a seat pronto-

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com >>
Tony,
I've swapped seats around in ford trucks from '67 thru '77 and they fit just
fine.  Minor seat belt hassles on some, but they still work great.  I'd guess
that you would be safe all the way through the '79 model year at least.

Tim in Anchorage
'67 F-100
'79 F-250

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:21:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Help with a few questions 429/460 swap

I put a T-18 behind my 460, which is for all intents and purposes the same as
a 435, and it can be done, but a few things gotta move around.  I couldnt
tell you how your motor mounts will line up, but I hear L&L can take care of
that.  Anyhow, a 400 belhousing will fit, but you have to use a 390 flywheel,
and make sure its balanced the way the 460 needs, most are neutral, as is the
390, but some later years need a balance weight.  A 400 pilot bushing might
fit.  It fit in mine, but I understand that not all 460 cranks are the same.
You will need a diaphragm style pressure plate, one for a 400 will bolt right
to the 390 flywheel.

As far as fitting goes, you will need the PS bracket from a truck or van with
a 460, along with the exhaust manifolds and oil pan.  Car stuff wont work.
Im not sure what else you'll need.  My truck is an original 460, but it had
an auto.  After blowing 2 up, I went with the T-18.  The reason Im not sure
how your mounts will work is I had to move my tranny cross member forward
about 3/4 to 1 inch.  Good luck, and if you have any specific questions, dont
hesitate to ask.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:23:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Help with a few questions 429/460 swap

In a message dated 9/4/00 3:50:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gpeters3 lni.net
writes:

<< As it turns out you may already have the right flywheel since
they say the 390 flywheel works on the 460 but you may want to look into a
stronger, larger clutch.  >>

Believe it or not a 390 has a bigger clutch than a 460.  Stock 460 stuff I
got when goin through my swap used a 10'', the 390 I ended up using had the
11''

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 16:52:44 -0700
From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: 73-79 seat

>>>What bench seat years are a direct bolt in for 73-79 bodystyle trucks?   >>Do the 80's+  fit?  72 and older?

Have a 84 F-250 seat in my 76.Took the tracks off the 76
seat and they bolted right to the 84 seat.
Only problem is the seat will not tilt forward when it is slid all
the way back.When you pull the lever it hits the gas tank behind the
seat.
Have to move it forward a notch or two to tilt it.
Other than that extremely minor problem,it fits perfect,is very
comfortable,
and looks great.

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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: New truck mabye!
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:17:24 -0500


Hey, all. I might be trading for a '78 F150 Supercab tomorrow. It's got a 460/C6, dual tanks, ac, ps, two wheel drive, and power brakes. Plus, it's already set up for trailer brakes. What gears were these 460 equipped trucks most commonly sold with? I realize there were probably several options, but any idea what was most common? Thanks,
Jason Kendrick


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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:24:38 -0700
From: Marv & Marge <ae722 lafn.org>
Subject: Re: oil filters

"G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net> wrote:
> i was wondering if this was a better filter to use and if it was a
> smaller micron inside of it does anyone know???

I've been using Wix 51515's, but recently changed to Baldwin B-2's.
Some truck repair places will tell you that the Fleetguard LF3313's
are even better, but I don't know.  I've got one to try, but what am
I gonna' find?  More soot?  Dunno.  I used to use Baldwins some thirty
years ago.  Bought 'em by the case from a fleet operator.  Then the
distributer went out of business.  They were sort of hard to find here
in the Los Angeles area, so I used Fram, 'till I read the Minimopar
document.  I even worked for AlliedSignal, and dropped them like a hot,
oil-filled piece of ........  Looked around and found a new Baldwin
distributer.  BTW, Hastings is made by Baldwin, as well.  If you look
inside a Scamsoil, they look virtually identical, too.  (Wonder who
makes 'em for them?)  But Fleetguard is (according to those who SHOULD
know) made by Cummins, not vended to them.  Gotta wonder, though, why
they would set up a filter line when they could have them made to their
specs by a filter manufacturer.  I do like the idea that they come
sealed in plastic shrink-wrap, however.

My local Napa guy is selling the Napa Wix for about $7.00.  I've been
buying the Wix's at a heavy-duty fleet truck repair place for $3.52.
Call around for prices, and consider buying them by the case.  They
might be even cheaper that way.

The Baldwins are $4.13, and the Fleetguards are $4.39 at the fleet
repair places.

-M-

Marv Miller  mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: New truck mabye!
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:41:27 -0700

Well, the lincolns had 3.25's and 400 equipped trucks with wide ratio C-6
came with 2.75 but 4x4's may be totally different.  The all time most common
gear in Ford trucks is 3.50 or 3.55 in the half tons and 4.10 in the
F-250's.  The 460 will easily handle the 2.75 with a wide ratio C-6, that's
what I have in mine and I've been seriously thinking about going
1:1......:-)

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)

Plus, it's already set up for trailer brakes. What gears were these 460
equipped trucks most commonly sold with? I realize there were probably
several options, but any idea what was most common?


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: oil filters
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:51:32 -0400

But Fleetguard is (according to those who SHOULD
> know) made by Cummins, not vended to them.  Gotta wonder, though, why
> they would set up a filter line when they could have them made to their
> specs by a filter manufacturer.
===================================================
FLEET GUARDS are made by WIX also i used to deliver steel to the plant in
the Carolinas where they make them and many other brands BUT they make them
by their specs tho [mfgrs] i have used the fleet guard filters for years
myself on diesels but never knew they made them for autos also i,ll have to
find out if i can get them here locally as well
gordon
gordon


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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:37:21 -0400
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: 73-79 seat

>>>>What bench seat years are a direct bolt in for 73-79 bodystyle trucks?
>>>>>>Do the 80's+  fit?  72 and older?
>
> Have a 84 F-250 seat in my 76.Took the tracks off the 76
>seat and they bolted right to the 84 seat.

That's exactly what I ran into taking my split bench from a 79 F100 ... I
had to change the brackets.  I suspect that the split bench wasn't an
option in a regular cab and the guy had put new holes through the floor. We
couldn't understand why the holes wouldn't reach when we tried to drop it
into my truck. Changing the track assembly quickly recitifed the problem...


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:46:41 -0400
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: The Muny Pit

>frame rail to the rear brakes rusted through.  I can't explain why it waited
>for this exact moment to blow (Gary, Wish, Anybody?), but it did.  As far as
>the drive belts go, the pulleys are at fault.  A little mis-alignement here,
>a little difference in pulley gap (read, pulley belt  width) there.  I just
>have to add this, the water pump flange is bent, causing his water pump
>pulley to look like its warped.  (figure the odds on that!!).  The way I
>figure it, (unfortunately) is to throw more money at it. ie; buy more parts.

Unfortunately brake parts are not something you want to be buying at the
scrapyard. It waited for that exact moment to make life interesting for you
- brake cylinders are just as bad. You simply want to change them...the
brake line twists as you try to undo the fitting.  You want to bleed
them...you snap off the bleeder screws.  I've been down the road of fixing
one thing after another - it's why when I was putting PS2 back together, I
replaced just about everything. With the exception of the proportioning
valve, everything was brand new...including bending and flaring all the
lines. With the 4x4 it's going to be the fix things as they break until I
get my own garage where I can rebuild it. I think the key is to have
another vehicle you can drive while you're fixing the other!

>PS:  Jeff, the wife say's you can leave your truck here when you deploy.
>She say's I need a hobby that doesn't cost US anything.  Grrrrr

Geez, I only hope my SO will be so understanding. :-)

But we really must keep in mind...these trucks may cost us a fair bit with
all the little things, but that USUALLY pales in comparison to a newer
truck. The next time something goes in your old truck, consider what it
would cost in a brand new F150. Especially when you'd probably be paying a
mechanic to fix a lot of things you'd normally be willing to do yourself on
an old truck!


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:48:21 EDT
Subject: Re: The Muny Pit

Not to mention when something breaks on the new rig...you still have to make
the payments!

Thom (a/k/a Stock Man)
1967 F-Series Registry
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

In a message dated 9/4/2000 9:43:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wadsond air.on.ca writes:

> The next time something goes in your old truck, consider what it
>  would cost in a brand new F150. Especially when you'd probably be paying a
>  mechanic to fix a lot of things you'd normally be willing to do yourself on
>  an old truck!

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:19:39 EDT
Subject: Re: headers for my 66 with a 390...and some other stuff

My 2¢ worth on the topic of Flowtech Headers. - You get what you pay for.
I've got a set  on my '79 Bronco (4wd) and I'm not real impressed with them.
The fit was/is ok, but the quality is not what I was expecting. They had
holes in the welds (down by teh collectors) that I didnt find till after the
exhaust was installed. I know it's a 4wd, but the drivers side literally
follows teh side of the block on down. It mates in a real strange way with
the rest of the system by literally looping under teh front drive shaft
before snaking plast the xfer case.

I dont want to say they are junk, but take a close look before you install
em. Guess that can be said about all parts really. I was so thrilled, I didnt
examine them real close as I installed them. BTW, it wa on a '79 Bronco 4WD
with a 400 & C6.

George M in Fl.

In a message dated 9/4/2000 12:31:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
burgess4 gte.net writes:

<< Hi Garret,

JC Whitney lists a FLOW TECH header 65-76 352-428 2wd  97.95

dPrasse
 >>

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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 22:00:09 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann <herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: Re: Bench Seat

At 11:19 PM 9/3/00 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>What bench seat years are a direct bolt in for 73-79 bodystyle trucks?   Do
>> the 80's+  fit?  72 and older?
>Tony Marino
>=============================================================
>HI TONY
>Well i do know the 92s are NOT a direct bolt in BUT they are really easy to
>install tho i stuck a brand new one in my 79 back in 93 got it really cheap
>it was a takeout from a dealer all that was needed was to drill 2 new holes
>gordon
>
>=============================================================



Tony,

1980 thru 1996 Dealer Take-Out Seats IS a perfect fit for the 73-79
Trucks. But you DO NOT have to drill holes as Gordon mentioned above! All
you have to do is install you old seat adjusting tracks! Remove the two
tracks from the new bench seat and install your old 73-79 tracks (2-3 bolts ....

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