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61-79-list Digest Fri, 01 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 222

In This Issue:
Re: 460 Headers
Re: engine with no cam shaft
RE :question from a true novice
Re: engine with no cam shaft
parts truck
Re: engine with no cam shaft
Re: hi harry
difference between reg. 390 and HD 391
engine swap
Re: engine with no cam shaft.
Re: 460 Headers
Vacuum controls
Re: engine with no cam shaft
Re: valve clatter
Omaha Show?
Subscription to forum at http://www.ford-trucks.com/cgi-b
Pioneer OS 940 valve stem seals
Re: Pioneer OS 940 valve stem seals
Re: Vacuum controls
Saturday......Beds and run flats..
Re: difference between reg. 390 and HD 391
Re: Saturday......Beds and run flats..
Re: 460 Headers

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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:52:51 EDT
Subject: Re: 460 Headers

In a message dated 8/31/00 9:29:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
lukes67ford hotmail.com writes:

<< Dear Ford Buddies,
Does anyone out there know who makes headers for a 460 that will fit my 67
1/2 ton, besides Sanderson and L&L? The L&L headers are $450.00 thats a bit
steep for my wallet. The Sanderson headers will require a lot more work at
the muffler shop which means more money. How hard would it be to make my
own? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks....
 >>
Take a look at stans-headers.com, but do not immediately be scared off by the
price list.  I got a set nickel plated inside and out for $360.  I liked the
concept of the Tri-Y design so I called and talked to Stan.  He was very
familiar with the 67-72 Ford 4x4s with the 460 modification.  We discussed
clearing the X-member at the front of the transmission.  He recommend his
stock number 244YL, which I bought, the L stands for "long" meaning they drop
down far enough to clear lowest X-member that Ford installed.  I have them
installed and they fit great, the only thing I had to do was to move to left
about an inch the brake system 4-way valve.  Like I said Call Stan and ask
for Stan, the Web Site lists headers for $100 more than I paid.  The prices
listed are for headers that have a 3/8s plate, the 1/4 plate is $100 cheaper
and according Stan their precision cutting and forming make it as leak
resistant as the 3/8.  Good Luck.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: engine with no cam shaft
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:01:57 -0700

The V6 in my 93 Ranger had no distributor and neither does the V6 in my 99
Windstar or  00 Taurus. It utilizes a coil pack  triggered by the crankshaft
position sensor.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:13 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: engine with no cam shaft


> >  For distributor timing, he must have something
> > still in the camshaft position though.
>
> Why? The general has been using non-mechanical distributors since 1986 on
> some 3.8L V6 engines.




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From: wiregoat juno.com
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:59:05 -0500
Subject: RE :question from a true novice

I had the 240 I-6  ( same motor, different crank, I believe ). I had the
exact same probablem.  Good strong motor, but, got hot and weak above 70
mph.  I had 3.7 to 1 gears, then I changed to 3.0 to 1 gears.  That
solved my highway problems, and I went from 9 miles per gallon to 12
miles per gallon.  That engine was strong enough that it still pulled
plenty hard enough for the light towing and towing of my friend's dead
Ch#vies that I do.  It set me back $150, though.  After 2 years, I think
that it paid for itself in fuel.  Last year, I went to a 302 v-8.  It
went from 12 mpg to 14 mpg, but, other than that, I was dissapointed.
Pulling power went way down.  The engine really did not come alive until
65 to 70 mph. Then it was great.   Sorry about rambling, I miss my old
Ford friend.

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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: engine with no cam shaft
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:12:20 -0700

Absolutely!  My '86 Delt 88 has no dist.  Nice in the fact that I don't
have to worry about adjusting ANYTHING, but crummy in the fact that a small
magnet that bolts to the cam gear to actuate the cam position sensor needed
to be replaced and cost me $35 from my smiling Olds dealer, Never mind the
removal of the timing cover to replace said lousy, cheap $$ part.

FTE content - I drove my '77 E150 to get the part.  The sales lizards didn't
even bother me.  Wonder why? :)



> >  For distributor timing, he must have something
> > still in the camshaft position though.
>
> Why? The general has been using non-mechanical distributors since 1986 on
> some 3.8L V6 engines.



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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:03:06 -0500
From: Doss Halsey <halsey isl-inc.com>
Subject: parts truck


Well, what do you know? One just landed in my lap. It is a '72 F250 camper
special with all the goodies: PB, PS, C-6 Auto, FE, bed with toolbox, dual
tanks, ranger trim, even a separate motor generator mounted under the hood
(could this possibly be factory?). $650. I haven't seen it yet, but it
purports to be more solid than the one I am working on. It may become the
primary and my present truck the secondary. I am going to look at it this
weekend.

Doss Halsey
68 F250 camper special

>  ========================================================

>  I recently bought a parts truck for $500 with working 460/c6,...  it
>  sure makes it easy when one bolt is holding up progress, and all you
>  have to do is go get it off your parts truck!

>  ========================================================

>  that sure is ALLOT for a few parts i would think you could find a whole
>  truck for allot less than that with a bad engine or something
>  gordon

>  ========================================================
>  > I am in a quandry. I have located a truck (74 F250) at a boneyard that
has
>  > a few "features" I have been lusting after - namely a C-6 automatic and
>  > power front disk brakes. They want $650 for the whole shootin' match.




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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: engine with no cam shaft
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:32:16 -0700

The V6 in my 93 Ranger had no distributor and neither does the V6 in my 99
Windstar or  00 Taurus. It utilizes a coil pack  triggered by the crankshaft
position sensor.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:13 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: engine with no cam shaft


> >  For distributor timing, he must have something
> > still in the camshaft position though.
>
> Why? The general has been using non-mechanical distributors since 1986 on
> some 3.8L V6 engines.






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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:53:42 -0600
From: Harry Vermillion <north40 verinet.com>
Subject: Re: hi harry

Okey-doke, we'll be here.

Take care.

Harry




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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:13:16 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie <kbaillie home.com>
Subject: difference between reg. 390 and HD 391

Hi everyone im looking into swapping out my old and worn 360 for a 390
and I see in the local auto trader a reconditioned HD 391, what is the
difference between the two.  Would the HD swap in like a reg 390 or not.

By the way it is going into my 74 F250 4X4 high boy

Thanks
Kirk

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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:18:56 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie <kbaillie home.com>
Subject: engine swap

I currently have a 360 with an np435 tranny what would be involved if I
wanted to swap in a 460 in place of the 360, (390's, 428's are getting
old and rare in this neck of the woods).

What would be involved letw say for adapting the np435 and engine mounts
etc...

Thanks
Kirk

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From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:57:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: engine with no cam shaft.

I havent even visited the web site you guys are talking about but I do
know quite a bit about the topic.... the Coates Spherical Rotary Valve
engine was in a magazine about a year ago. They featured exploded views,
specs, statistics and everything. They now sell kits to convert the
Chevrolet 350 and the Ford 5.0L to Rotary Valve engines...
Mr Coates (his first name is Robert I think) tried to market his
patented design to the Big 3 (Ford, GM and Dodge) and none of them would
even give him the time of day. Last I heard Mazda is eventualy going to
equip thier engines with his design.
 The idea behind his design is fairly simple and effective. He has
taken the cam shaft (most of it), lifters, pushrods, rockers and poppet
valves out of an engine and replaced them with 4 shafts (1 intake and 1
exhaust in each cyl head). On each shaft there is 4 drum shaped  balls
that have a passage through them that rotate by a crank driven chain.
When the opening on each drum passes the port it is controlling it
allows air/fuel or exhaust to pass through the drum into (or out of) the
combustion chamber. (depending on which shaft we are talking about). He
has retained part of the cam shaft to drive the distributer and oil pump
(obviously on GM's it will be the full length of the engine).
 Doing so he has eliminated another part of an engine that has to
change direction. now the components just spin on a shaft. This now
makes valve float impossible and substantualy reduces the amount if dead
friction and resistance created by a cam shaft and the valve springs.

Laters, Danny Ling


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From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:05:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: 460 Headers

Stans headers makes em for 460 Pickups. mine cost about 380 bucks 2
years ago. Go to www.stans-headers.com.

Laters, Danny Ling


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From: "Curtis Crawford" <jdcrwfrd pld.com>
Subject: Vacuum controls
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:50:44 -0500


Does anyone know what the vacuum fittings on the thermostat housing and the manifold do, what temp are they set to, and the best way to incorporate them in the vacuum advance so that it doesn't advance when the engine is cold, I replaced the stock carb w/an edlebrock and broke a fitting that the local ford doesn't know what is/does.
thanks
curt


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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:09:08 -0500
From: Dwight Comfort <dcomfort tic.bisman.com>
Subject: Re: engine with no cam shaft


Sorry it took so long to respond, I'm in batch mode.

You are right for the distributor, but the oil pump would have to be
mechanical with no cam or something to turn it.

>Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:13:23 -0500
>Subject: Re: engine with no cam shaft
>From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
>
>>  For distributor timing, he must have something
>> still in the camshaft position though.

>Why? The general has been using non-mechanical distributors since 1986
on
>some 3.8L V6 engines.

>-- John
>jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
>1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
>Dearborn iron rules!!!!

Dwight Comfort
75 F250 SC lwb 460 C6


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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 20:12:43 -0500
From: Stu Varner <nukegm ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: valve clatter

At 10:31 AM 8/31/00 -0700, you wrote:
>John,
>
>I hate the summer only 'reformulated' gas that we've got here in SE PA.
>My '95 Mustang GT started acting up something fierce (bad valve clatter)
>right after I filled up with my first tank after June 1st.  Coincidence?
>I don't think so.  I've got to use Premium to overcome it though so
>consider yourself lucky that you only have to go up one grade.  Why can't
>they just make good gas and leave well enough alone.  Sigh...
>
>Later,
>
>Eric Finn
>'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project still in progress)
>'95 Mustang GT "Beauty" (daily driver)
>

John and Eric,

Winter grade vs. summer grade gasolines have some differences which have to
do with the RVP (Reid Vapor Pressure).
They sell a fuel in the winter or cooler months that has many more vapors
(higher RVP)to help the fuel burn better to help offset the cooler temps.
In the summer or warmer months they sell a fuel that has a lower RVP
because the warmer temps make up for the lower RVP.

Years ago when I worked for Ashland Petroleum Co. in one of their
marine/truck terminal bulk plants, the quality control on dates these high
and low RVP products could be sold and used was very strict and heavily
enforced by the state which came to take samples very often during the
transition months.  Mid-March if I remember in TN for the lower RVP fuel
and mid Oct for higher RVP product.

As far as quality of the fuels being different, I doubt it very much.
Gasoline and diesel are rigidly tested before leaving the refinery and meet
the minimum standards.  Each company also has its own Q control which
varies.  C***o used to be one of the most laxed and Amoco and Exxon the
strictest.  I am certain if it says 87 octane it most likely is......RVP
will cause one to run a little different depending on many little
variables........

I have seen batches of product come into the Ashland terminal from an Exxon
bulk plant in Atlanta via pipeline(and practically every other major
supplier) and sold as unbranded and branded product depending on who was
buying it (example Shell) - all through an Ashland terminal.  The exact
same product was being shipped across town that same afternoon to Exxon and
sold as Exxon branded product - Go figure.  The only differences were the
additives and detergents put into gasolines.  Our 87 products had a lower
percentage of additive than 89 and premium.

In my years working for Ashland, 87 was never tested lower than 87.3 or so
and the mid grades and premiums were well within their specs too. Diesel,
especially, is tested on site for flashpoint once it arrives via barge or
pipeline.  Kerosene, if to be sold as K-1 is also very heavily scrutinized
in the K-1 certification process.

If it makes you feel any better, I have also had to go up this summer on my
'95 Crown Vic from 87 to 89 octane due to some pinging.  My V-10 Excursion
pings ever so slightly on 89 when under load which I know is sometimes
normal for any engine ......I will switch back this fall to 87 in it to see
how they both run.

FTE content, I drove my old 71 to the gas station to fill it up yesterday.
8^)

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm



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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Omaha Show?
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:17:51 -0700


Well Gang, I'm on line from home, happily retired now and ready to spread my wings like Azie :-)  I have a truck related question for the gang.......Michelle mentioned a show in Omaha around September last year......anyone know when it is and what it is all about?

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)


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"RE: catapillar motor"
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"RE: Interior Colors"
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"RE: Tail light and backup light ideas"
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"RE: catapillar motor"
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"RE: catapillar motor"
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"coil spings-75 f100"
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"RE:Machine shop"
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"RE: Mothballer on fire!"
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"how you like it?"
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"Lift Kits"
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"RE: Windshield"
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"sticking float valve in carb of '70 F-100"
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"RE: Oil Return Tube for I6 223"
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"RE: coil spings-75 f100"
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"RE: Tail light and white light "
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"RE: sticking float valve in carb of '70 F-100"
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"RE: Exhaust Manifold gasket for 63 I6 223"
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"RE: What shells?"
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"RE: Tail light and white light "
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"RE: catapillar motor and exterior badges"
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"RE: 66 ford f-100"
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"RE: coil spings-75 f100"
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"RE: catapillar motor"
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"C6 TROUBLES!!!"
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"RE: 66 ford f-100"
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"RE: C6 TROUBLES!!!"
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"sound proofing"
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"RE: C6 TROUBLES!!!"
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"RE: sound proofing"
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"RE: C6 TROUBLES!!!"
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"RE: C6 TROUBLES!!!"
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"RE: sound proofing"
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"What do your 351M/400's run like?"
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"RE: What do your 351M/400's run like?"
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"RE: What do your 351M/400's run like?"
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"Wiring Harness Needed"
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"RE: Wiring Harness Needed"
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"RE: sound proofing"
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"RE: C6 TROUBLES!!!"
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"RE: Tie rod ends for 76' F250"
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"RE: sound proofing"
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"Gas Tank Brackets"
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"RE: NP 435 overhaul ?"
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"RE: sound proofing"
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"Doing engine conversion...need info on mounts"
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"RE: Changing Transmission"
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"RE: sound proofing"
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"underdash wiring"
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"RE: A few Bronco Questions"
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"RE: A few Bronco Questions"
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From: "fishmasterfred" <fishmasterfred email.msn.com>
Subject: Pioneer OS 940 valve stem seals
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:37:47 -0700


Gordon,    You should be able to get these seals through most "good" parts houses or your machine shop should be able to get them for you. Any parts house that carries Pioneer products should be able get them for you.  Best Regards, Steve/FishmasterFred


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Pioneer OS 940 valve stem seals
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 01:50:59 -0400



>
> Gordon,    You should be able to get these seals through most "good" parts
houses or your machine shop should be able to get them for you. Any parts
house that carries Pioneer products should be able get them for you.  Best
Regards, Steve/FishmasterFred
>
> =============================================================
THANKS
its funny ive never heard of them before but i would like to try a st tho
are they allot more than umbrella seals or close to the same in price to
gordon


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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:28:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Vacuum controls

In a message dated 09/01/2000 6:48:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jdcrwfrd pld.com writes:

<< Does anyone know what the vacuum fittings on the thermostat housing and
the manifold do, what temp are they set to, >>

Yes,
This is a vacuum switch activated by higher engine coolant temperatures. When
the engine is running hotter (around 235 degrees), this switch allows
manifold vacuum to the advance port on the distributor even at idle. I am
told this will cool down a hot running engine in heavy traffic.

The way I have seen them connected is:
Top # 1 position is for spark advance port from the above throttle plate
vacuum on the carburetor (only gets vacuum when the engine is revved)
Middle D port is connected to the advance port on the distributor which is
the forward most connection on it.
Bottom # 2 port is for manifold vacuum (gets vacuum at all times while engine
is running).

There are other setups for this, but this is the only one I am familiar with
personally. By the way, it does work on my 72 Torino on hot days.

Hope this helps,

Rollie

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From: "Gary" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Saturday......Beds and run flats..
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:52:03 -0700


Well, just because I'm retired now doesn't mean you guys can just quit playing on Saturdays :-)  I won't be as interactive as I was from work since I will be jumping in when my wife is taking a nap or I'm not tied up with something else but I hope to keep close tabs on what's happening here and give Wish a run for his money as well :-)

I'm off to do some repairs on my wife's wheel chair......not a Ford but they don't make them and this one was free to a good home so I have no shame :-)  It's also obsolete since the company that made it is no longer in business :-(  Fortunately it's made of metal and uses batteries and mechanical actuators and switches so I don't see a problem with making it work :-)

It already has an "Amigo" switch on it which was an exact bolt in :-)

I'm going to order the floor metal for my 78 today from JCW, buy some longer shocks for the rear since I added about 4" of leaf spring back there so I can haul 2 tons on it and then I start cleaning up this place :-)  Have to keep reminding myself I have the rest of my life to do this stuff so I don't have to get it all done in the first week.......:-)

Question:  Has anyone ever tried to use a 15", 6 ply, HD tire to haul big loads?  The 6 ply give me a few hunded pounds of extra load capacity but not enough, numbers wise, so just curious if anyone has had experience with this, going down the eway at 70 with 2 tons on the back?  I haul 2 tons about 5 miles at 45 mph right now and pray all the way with my standard 4 ply Coopers on it.  They look like "Run Flats" with a puncture :-(

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)


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From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: difference between reg. 390 and HD 391
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:29:48 -0500

Kirk, the HD 391 won't work in your F250. It is what's called an FT engine.
They are commonly found in F600's, for example. It differs from the FE's
(360,390,etc) in several ways. The most noticeable differences are the
flywheel flange is thicker to accommodate the heavy duty pressure plate and
clutch assembly. In order for this motor to work in your truck, you'd need a
bell housing and transmission out of a big truck. Also, the crank snout is
thicker, to accommodate the pto takeoff that some of these trucks were
equipped with. The motor mounts are probably different, too.  Some FT's use
a different timing cover with the motor mounts on the cover, rather than on
the block. Hope I've helped you figure this out, rather than confuse you
more! :-)
Jason Kendrick


Kirk Baillie wrote:
> Hi everyone im looking into swapping out my old and worn 360 for a 390
> and I see in the local auto trader a reconditioned HD 391, what is the
> difference between the two.  Would the HD swap in like a reg 390 or not.
> By the way it is going into my 74 F250 4X4 high boy
> Thanks
> Kirk



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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 11:06:13 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Saturday......Beds and run flats..



Gary wrote:

> Question:  Has anyone ever tried to use a 15", 6 ply, HD tire to haul big loads?

Yep. Use to haul a cord of firewood (average 5000 lbs) on a '78 F-150 with 15" bias 6 ply and home-made leaf type overloads. Never had any probs.

Gregster
'77 F-250 Explorer 4x4

>
>
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary :-)
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From: "Chris Samuel" <fourmuelz email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 460 Headers
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:13:37 -0700

-> From: "Luke Phillips" <lukes67ford hotmail.com>
SNIP<
-> Does anyone out there know who makes headers for a 460 that
-> will fit my 67 1/2 ton, besides Sanderson and L&L? The L&L headers are
$450.00
-> thats a bit steep for my wallet. The Sanderson headers will require alot
-> more work at the muffler shop which means more money. How hard would it
be
-> to make my own? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks....
SNIP<

I have to get back to the shop but I'll toss in my .02, before I do.
I spend a bunch of time building headers and exhaust. Best bang for the
buck is the Sanderson Headers I spent $278 for a set recently. They are one
of the better made mass produced headers from a quality of build
standpoint. 3/8" Flange Decent tube wall, and stacked collector rings.
From the ultimate power producing standpoint they are a joke... But far
less of a joke then the stock manifolds!  Yes, you will have to work harder
on the exhaust on the passenger side. A decent Muffler shop will take an
extra 15-20 Min. I built the exhaust and I spent no longer on the
passengers side then on the Drivers side...
$450 for the L&L's is a good price again for a good quality product.
If you want to build them yourself you can get a good idea what your
looking at for prices here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.headersbyed.com/
Another good site is: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.stahlheaders.com/
If your going to spend a bunch of time and keep your truck forever then
do'em in Stainless: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.burnsstainless.com/

As much as this will delight Gary...
If the $$ are tight you could have your manifolds cleaned and bead blasted
....


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