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61-79-list Digest Wed, 30 Aug 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 220

In This Issue:
Lower CR
Valve stem seals
Dana 60 rear axle
Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Shipping
Dana 60 seal
Re: Dana 60 seal
debates
Re: Shipping
Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Re: new 390 pix
Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Re: Adding "features" to my truck
Re: Howard's 390 Pix
THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!
Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
wheel ID
it's andrew, you all have to check this out... seriously
Re: Pioneer Valve stem seals (OS 940)
Re: Pioneer Valve stem seals (OS 940)
Re: wheel ID
Re: it's andrew, you all have to check this out... seriou
Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!
Re: new 390 pix
Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!
Re: wheel ID
Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!
Re: New 390 pix
Re: 72  long bed frame & bed 4 sale
Re: New 390 pix
Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!
Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!
Re: 72  long bed frame & bed 4 sale

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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Lower CR
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:45:23 -0500


Cj writes:  >>We're working on another 428, and I'm wondering how much effort we should
put into getting the CR down from over 10???? The engine guy says he knows
someone who has a program set up on his CNC mill to cut out the stock heads
to increase the chamber sizes.<<

CJ!!  Ain't none of my business nor did you write it to me, but I want to make a suggestion!!!  Why not take just a few thousandths off the tops of all the pistons rather than gouging out the combustion chamber in the heads.  Pistons are a bit easier to come by than a really good set of heads, aren't they??
I"ll hush now..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Valve stem seals
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:29:28 -0500


Tony - Rollie and others..:

I just finished doing a mojor rebuild of a 351W of '87 vintage.  The valve stem seals I
removed were stuck(not glued, but naturally stuck) down to the bosses in the heads.
They were not machined either.  I'd never seen these previously. The valve stem slid
up-down through the seal and believe it or not they still worked very well, apparently..
There were very visible markings on the stems but no wear could be measured with
my calipers.. The gasket kit I got had the old unbrella types, so that is what I put
back on..  I didn't know any better, but I'm confident they will work as well cause thats
what I've always used.  Apparently most of the oil that gets on the stem is up near the
top, so the umbrella will keep it from getting near the guide and getting sucked into
the combustrion chamber!!!  Only thing I can figure..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:47:07 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: Dana 60 rear axle

Anyone have any idea what a Dana 60 rear axle w/3.73 gears would go for
at a wrecker?

Thanks
Howardb


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From: "Ballinger" <ballingr sbmu.net>
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:49:23 -0500

>How so ?  I mean its still gotta rub on the guides on the bottom with >what
you
>suggest doesn't it ?

>I've always stared at them intently wondering exactly how they >worked :)
>Just my $.02
>wish

They don't really do anything with the FE style rocker oiling.  I got my 390
running and have been seeing oil consumption on the order of a qt every 75
miles.  What I've tracked it down to is that it's stacking up oil in the
valve cover and submerging the quides.  I ran it with a valve cover off and
spilled a qt and a half in one minute.  But there was little or no splash,
which is the only thing an umbrella will protect you against. It was pouring
out of the bottom of the shaft into the baffle and going to the end returns
on the head, which couldn't keep up with the amount of oil there. When I
blocked my lifter galleys the pressure to the shafts went up, the new
adjustable rockers and shafts fit looser, so they don't resist as much, and
I had the baffles without the tongues that point at and divert the oil
return to the intake valley.  Thus the smoke.

This weekend(hope) I'm going to replace the intake seals with the Pioneer
#OS 940 's, put a #61 (.072 orfice)Holley jet in the passage under each
stand, and swap the baffles.  Oil consumption should go away.

BTW, the engine runs strong, I'll tell you more when I get off work.



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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Shipping
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:53:02 -0500


Look in your "yellow Pages" under freight forwarding..  Call some major truck line like
Yellow Freight or Roadway, or whatever.. Ask them about it.. They should be very helpful..
I had some very heavy tooling parts shipped from Ca to Alabama by Yellow some
5/6 years ago. Was very reasonable I thought.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:23:40 -0700
From: scott <scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Dana 60 seal

>>Another question, if y'all don't mind. I need to replace the front seal of
>>my Dana 60 this weekend. Is there any more to this than:

>>  1. loosen the big nut
>>  2. replace the seal
>>  3. tighten the big nut

>>   torque spec?

That is about all there is to it.I put a pipe wrench around the yoke
with
the handle resting on a block of wood.That imobilizes the yoke.Then I
loosen the nut,remove the yoke and replace the seal.
Torque spec is 250-270.
Getting nut off and on is by far the hardest part of the job.

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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:39:10 EDT
Subject: Re: Dana 60 seal

There is no substitute for a nice air driven impact.  If you have access to
one of those it will make this task very easy.

Stock Man
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

> Getting nut off and on is by far the hardest part of the job.

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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: debates
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:56:44 -0500


Wish writes:  >.hope you don't mind too much, if it goes too far,
just say so, I won't stop, but at least I'll know ;)<<

Now thats what I call honesty.
We all learn from these debates, but when it comes to the point of confrontation,
then it is time to lean back and take a good deep breath and try to calm down.
I like it.  I learn from it.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Shipping
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:43:20 -0400

another most likely CHEAPER way is find a company that has owners operators
and have them haul it for you
loads from california going that way or east are really CHEAP and these
fellas will haul the stuff to try and get at least a buck a mile to their
trucks and with the costs of fuel now days they will jump on anything just
about
I KNOW i used to own 3 of them and would usually come a 1000 miles empty
just to get a decent paying load
gordon


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:50:39 -0400

> This weekend(hope) I'm going to replace the intake seals with the Pioneer
> #OS 940 's, put a #61 (.072 orfice)Holley jet in the passage under each
> stand, and swap the baffles.  Oil consumption should go away.
=====================================================
ive been told to use the no.90 jets for restrictors in the heads
gordon


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: new 390 pix
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:58:15 -0400


> How much would you expect an engine built like this to put out? 300hp?
350hp?390hp??
> I'd be happy with 1hp/ci
Howardb
=============================================================
i,ve found that you will lose closer to 30% between the engine and the
ground
when you figure all it takes to drive the fan-alternator-tranny-rearend- and
power steering and whatever else is between the wheels and motor its just
about that or MORE
GORDON


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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" <gpeters3 visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:27:07 -0400

t'sok, I can always delete you :-)  When it gets too bad I can always run to
the kitchen and grab a few Xanax or up my Paxil dosage :-)  I might even
start taking Amatripteline......

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary

> guys who watch the list ... hope you don't mind too much, if
> it goes too far,
> just say so, I won't stop, but at least I'll know ;)
>
> Just my $.02
> wish


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:06:40 EDT
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question

In a message dated 8/30/00 4:05:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
gpeters3 visteon.com writes:

<< t'sok, I can always delete you :-)  When it gets too bad I can always run
to
the kitchen and grab a few Xanax or up my Paxil dosage :-)  I might even
start taking Amatripteline......

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary >>

I've found Percasets to be most comforting after a long day of trying to
install an NP435 with a tippy jack.....

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Adding "features" to my truck
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:15:14 -0400


> I am in a quandry. I have located a truck (74 F250) at a boneyard that has
> a few "features" I have been lusting after - namely a C-6 automatic and
> power front disk brakes. They want $650 for the whole shootin' match.
========================================================
that sure is ALLOT for a few parts i would think you could find a whole
truck for allot less than that with a bad engine or something
gordon


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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:24:37 -0700
From: Marv & Marge <ae722 lafn.org>
Subject: Re: Howard's 390 Pix

Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com wrote:

> Yea, I know I still need to get another PCV elbow and some hose to close that
> up.......

Yea, but don't use another PCV valve.  You don't want to supply vacuum to both
valve covers.  Vacuum to one, filtered, fresh air to the other.

-M-

Marv Miller  mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".

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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:34:12 EDT
Subject: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!

Hey guys! Just wanted to let y'all know I was still alive, just been lurkin
lately cuz I don't have too much to say! LOL Haven't had any luck getting my
truck painted camouflage *sniffle* but I'm still tryin. Found out the bases
around here get their tanks allready "camo-ed" from the factory so they don't
do it on base anymore. =( And I ain't about to do it myself LOL! Envy is
runnin' well, daddy and I are gonna put a new engine in her in the near
future, but for now she's still eatin Chevy's and "poopin" Dodges! LOL
Anyways, hugs to y'all and yes, I am still alive! Bye!

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys.....trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:32:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question

In a message dated 8/29/2000 2:30:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
redneck raex.com writes:

<<
Yeah, the type that I have on there now must be the graphite ones, because
they have dual little springs that hold it to teh seal stem-- but they do
sort of snap down onto that boss of the valve guide-- wear on the valve
stems shows me that some of them stay stationary.  Now, the new seals I
bought are the umbrella style that you describe- that's what is having me
so puzzled-- I wondered if I got the wrong kind, or if they were just
different in nature as to how they acted..  The umbrella ones are for
65-86  300's and are made by Felpro, so I figured they wouldn't be
garbage..   Hmm.
 >>

My opinion and thoughts on the unbrella seals.

the seal should be down against the head when the valve is fully open
efectivly sealing the oil from teh valve stem, consequantly, this is also
when it's exposed to maximum vacume (whatever makes it buy the guide, never
tried to measure it). When teh valve is closed, teh umbrella shape deflects
teh oil from around the stem to the sides of the guide boss. I've yet to see
fluids that flow uphill as this is what it would take to get into the guide
area.

Now Im not saying it's a perfect seal, but that's my understanding in a
nutshell. Makes sense and follows basic physics laws to me!

George M in FL.


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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:50:22 EDT
Subject: wheel ID

I'm trying to round up two sets of original wheels for my 64 F-100's.  These
are the old style that had the internal locking hubcaps.  My problem is that
they came in both 5" and 5.5" widths.  I'm not confident that I could eyeball
the difference between them, but I need to make sure I get all of them the
same width.  My parts catalog lists the stamping numbers used on these
wheels.  I can use that # to make sure I have the right ones, but I have been
unable to find any numbers- even on the two wheels I already have.  Does
anyone know where to look for this stamping number??

Also- I have 2 other wheels of the same design, but they are 16.5" wheels and
have the same 5 on 5.5 bolt circle.  Anyone have any idea what these might be
off of?  I don't need them, but I don't want to trash them if someone might
be looking for a pair.

Thanks in advance

Nate

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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:30:33 -0700
From: Negative Image <negativeimage earthlink.net>
Subject: it's andrew, you all have to check this out... seriously

1000 horsepower engine, with no cam.... DO WHAT?!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fbody.com/coates/

--
Andrew Rolfsen
1971 AMC Javelin SST
1968 Mercury Cougar
1966 Plymouth Fury III



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From: "fishmasterfred" <fishmasterfred email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pioneer Valve stem seals (OS 940)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:29:54 -0700


In regards to Gordon's question. They will fit the stock FE guide boss without any modifications and they work very well. I have yet, to have a set of heads, with these seals come back for oiling problems. They are made for 3/8" valves with a .625 OD guide boss but they have enough stretch to make it over the stock FE size (.660) guide boss. I don't think they will work for the 300 6 cyl because if I remember right it has 11/32" valve stems. In that motor (300) I believe that you have to machine the guide bosses to accept a positive type seal.  Because they were setup from the factory with umbrella seals, the guide boss is rather large. If someone could give me the outside dimension for the 300's guide boss I may be able to find a positive seal for this application. Response may be a little slow, I'm in digest mode.   Bill, Thanks for the compliments... I have to go deflate my head now :)      Steve Salas / FishmasterFred


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Pioneer Valve stem seals (OS 940)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:51:39 -0400

THANKS
I have been having a slight problem with my 390 seals i think whenever i add
a can of oil it wants to smoke ONLY THEN for a few minutes especially when
its first started up after its added
can you tell me if any national auto parts chain carries them like NAPA for
instance
gordon


>
> In regards to Gordon's question. They will fit the stock FE guide boss
without any modifications and they work very well. I have yet, to have a set
of heads, with these seals come back for oiling problems. They are made for
3/8" valves with a .625 OD guide boss but they have enough stretch to make
it over the stock FE size (.660) guide boss. I don't think they will work
for the 300 6 cyl because if I remember right it has 11/32" valve stems. In
that motor (300) I believe that you have to machine the guide bosses to
accept a positive type seal.  Because they were setup from the factory with
umbrella seals, the guide boss is rather large. If someone could give me the
outside dimension for the 300's guide boss I may be able to find a positive
seal for this application. Response may be a little slow, I'm in digest
mode.   Bill, Thanks for the compliments... I have to go deflate my head now
:)      Steve Salas / FishmasterFred
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: wheel ID
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:04:19 -0400

My parts catalog lists the stamping numbers used on these
> wheels.  I can use that # to make sure I have the right ones, but I have
been
> unable to find any numbers- even on the two wheels I already have.  Does
> anyone know where to look for this stamping number??
> Nate
> =============================================================
try looking around where the suds would go thru the wheels at on the raised
parts AND on the inside of the whels that the tires would cover right in the
center
gordon


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:58:27 GMT
Subject: Re: it's andrew, you all have to check this out... seriou

>1000 horsepower engine, with no cam.... DO WHAT?!
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fbody.com/coates/
>

Interesting idea, I'll file it under the "I'll believe it when I see it" but
maybe by then I'll actually be able to afford new heads for my 4.6L Mustang
(like the test bed :)

He mentions he doesn't know the cost, the Ford SVO heads for the 4.6L were 1400
a piece a few years ago, but prices are comin down, I think I saw them for as
low as 900 a piece one place ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:47:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> What I've tracked it down to is that it's stacking up oil in the
> valve cover and submerging the quides.  I ran it with a valve cover off and
> spilled a qt and a half in one minute.  But there was little or no splash,
> which is the only thing an umbrella will protect you against.

Wind that sucker up and it will splash. BTDT. Be prepared for an oily engine
bay if you decide to try this with the valve covers off. Between the rockers
and the fan, you'll have oil all over the place.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:59:45 GMT
Subject: Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!

> Haven't had any luck getting my
>truck painted camouflage *sniffle* but I'm still tryin. Found out the bases

>around here get their tanks allready "camo-ed" from the factory so they don't

>do it on base anymore


Hmm, I can't remember if the Arsenal paints their howitzers themselves anymore
or not, seems like they do ... always weird to go race on an island where they
make guns that shoot shells the size of my car :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:06:55 GMT
Subject: Re: new 390 pix



>i,ve found that you will lose closer to 30% between the engine and the
>ground
>when you figure all it takes to drive the fan-alternator-tranny-rearend- and

>power steering and whatever else is between the wheels and motor its just
>about that or MORE


That's part of the difference between NET and GROSS horsepower.  If you're factoring
out the drag lost from the alternator, power steering and exhaust, then you're
talkin GROSS which is pretty much a useless number except it sounds cool :)
  SAE NET includes at least part of the exhaust system, and all the accesories
on the front at least, its designed to measure the crank hp when the motor's
really sitting in the car (the air filter and intake system, that's what else
there was !)  ...   this "advertised" hp number means very little from the factory
and can vary by as much as 10hp between two cars of the same year.

Then there's rear wheel horsepower which is what the chassis/roller dyno's measure.
Sometimes I call this "real world" because its a much better comparative number,
but it too is subject to quite a bit of variation due to air conditions (pressure,
temp, humidity, etc.) and even the fuel you are running that day, so it should
be used only as an estimate and for bragging to your friends (just don't count
that spike that happens when you shift as the high point :)

The nice thing about the chassis dyno is that the numbers take into account
all the differential losses and the tranny losses and such, the bad thing is
aerodynamics aren't taken into account, so estimated 1/4mile times aren't gonna
happen with our trucks at the hp they put out.

There are tons of ways to figure out the horsepower of your motor, as long as
everyone's on pretty much the same page with their figures and comparing the
same types of numbers (gross to gross, net to net, rw to rw), then the real
benchracing begins :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:09:29 EDT
Subject: Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!

In a message dated 8/30/00 9:35:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
Bad4dFilly aol.com writes:

<<  Haven't had any luck getting my
truck painted camouflage *sniffle* but I'm still tryin. Found out the bases
around here get their tanks allready "camo-ed" from the factory so they
don't
do it on base anymore. >>


I'm told that a place near here does the Mossy-Oak Breakup Camo (like was/is
on the Remington car) for around $2500, paint only.  I don't knowf or sure if
it's true, but it might be something to check into??

Nate

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:05:32 -0500
Subject: Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Found out the bases
> around here get their tanks allready "camo-ed" from the factory so they don't
> do it on base anymore. =( And I ain't about to do it myself

Someone is pulling your leg here, Lisa. When Desert Storm hit, Fort Hood
painted their entire fleet. They went from green camo to desert sand camo.
Generally, if the Army can't do it in one of their shops, they don't need it
done. It is true that they contract a lot of stuff out these days.

The good thing about painting something camo is you can't mess it up. IMHO,
I think you would enjoy metal flake purple much more than camo, especially
if you could find someone to use Imron and then clear coat it.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:14:53 -0500
Subject: pulley puller performance
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

I installed the power steering pump on SWBOs Towncar last night. The reason
I mention this has to do with the pulley puller. If you have done a pump
replacement, getting the pulley off the old pump and onto the new pump is by
far the hardest part of the job. I bought a pulley puller from NAPA. It is
part# 775-9073 on the card. It is an Evercraft Service Tool brand. It works
great. It is adjustable for two sizes of pulleys.  I paid about $25 for it.
It was well worth the investment not to go through the aggravation of
borrowing, renting, or putting down an $87 deposit. I wish I had owned it
when I did Henry's pump. (See I did get some FTE content in there.)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:18:04 -0500
Subject: Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

>  always weird to go race on an island where they
> make guns that shoot shells the size of my car :)

I like the signs on Fort Hood that say, "Caution, Artillery shells flying
overhead. Travel at your own risk." Earlier in the summer they shelled a
farm about two miles from the base because someone had the gun pointed 180
degrees off of the target. Scary. Henry and I stay on civilian ground as
much as possible.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:38:16 EDT
Subject: Re: wheel ID

In addition to the info Gordon posted regarding potential stampings in the web areas around the lugs and in the air channel, manufacturers also put stamping ID's on the back of rims.  These *may* be found on the flat surface (the area which would be parallel to the road as the wheel is mounted on the truck)just above the bead area.  If you take a look at my site in the "For Sale/Wanted" section I have a picture of a 1966 16" split rim I am looking for for my 67.  The picture shows how Firestone stamped their rims.  Be advised that manufacturers often changed things during the production runs.  For instance, I have another set rims made by Firestone in 1966 which look identical, but are not stamped the same way as the one shown on my site.  I guess it boils down to how much attention to detail you wish to resort to.

Stock Man
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" <gpeters3 visteon.com>
Subject: Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:51:32 -0400

My brother was in artillery and said that an azmuth error of 180 degrees was
very easy to make which explains why virtually every artillery mistake I've
ever heard of was by that amount.  We had a 105 Howitzer shell go through a
Huey due to this in VN when a brand new company set up in our area.

Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary

> farm about two miles from the base because someone had the
> gun pointed 180
> degrees off of the target. Scary. Henry and I stay on

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:53:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brett Habben <bhabben juno.com>
Subject: Re: New 390 pix

Howardb,
Where is this dyno?
Jus' wonderin'...
Brett
>I found a speed garage close to work that has a dyno the back >wheels roll
on a roller in
>the floor. That should give a pretty good idea of what I am >putting to the
ground
>Howardb




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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" <gpeters3 visteon.com>
Subject: Re: 72  long bed frame & bed 4 sale
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:41:39 -0400

What year?


Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary

> Hey Folks
>
> I still have an F-100 long bed frame sitting at my shop. The
> bed is in OKay
> shape, and still attached. Not much else on the frame.


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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:20:06 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: Re: New 390 pix

It is off of Ben White, across from the Discount tire and behind the old Dunkin
Donuts. There is a speed shop next door named B&B performance, i think.

Howardb

Brett Habben wrote:

> Howardb,
> Where is this dyno?
> Jus' wonderin'...
> Brett
> >I found a speed garage close to work that has a dyno the back >wheels roll
> on a roller in
> >the floor. That should give a pretty good idea of what I am >putting to the
> ground
> >Howardb
>
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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:36:36 EDT
Subject: Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!

In a message dated 8/31/00 6:10:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Natp244 cs.com
writes:

<<
I'm told that a place near here does the Mossy-Oak Breakup Camo (like was/is
on the Remington car) for around $2500, paint only.  I don't knowf or sure
if
it's true, but it might be something to check into??

Nate >>
DEFINITELY! Actually I was gonna ask Mossy Oak if by some chance they wanted
to "sponser" my truck <Y'know, like how all teh rice rockets are sponsered by
certain companies?> Oh I'd be in heaven to have my truck lookin Mossy Oak
style  Where are you located at and could you send me more info? Thanks! I'm
in California <Los Angeles>

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*

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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:41:20 EDT
Subject: Re: THE FILLY'S STILL HERE!

In a message dated 8/31/00 6:11:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:

<< Someone is pulling your leg here, Lisa. When Desert Storm hit, Fort Hood
painted their entire fleet. They went from green camo to desert sand camo.
Generally, if the Army can't do it in one of their shops, they don't need it
done. It is true that they contract a lot of stuff out these days.

The good thing about painting something camo is you can't mess it up. IMHO,
I think you would enjoy metal flake purple much more than camo, especially
if you could find someone to use Imron and then clear coat it. >>

Depends on what's cheaper! I'm REALLY not wanting to do a camo job by myself
<I'm real picky!> but I'll go with whatever is easier on the pocket book. I
e-mailed March Reserve AFB which is the closest to me but I haven't heard
anything back from them. =( Chances are I'll have to find some retired
Vietnam Vet or somethin like that who knows what he's doing! LOL And if
anyone has any pics of camo-ed cars or trucks could ya send em my way so I
can decide what pattern I want? Thanks guys!

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*

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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: 72  long bed frame & bed 4 sale
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:05:11 -0700

The "72" in the title leads me to believe it's a '72.  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) [mailto:gpeters3 visteon.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 6:42 AM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 72 long bed frame & bed 4 sale ....


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