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61-79-list Digest Tue, 29 Aug 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 219

In This Issue:
Which carb/Balancing?
Re: Balancing?
Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Re: Shipping engines
Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Torsions on MOPARs
400 crank in 351W
Adding "features" to my truck
front seal of Dana 60
Re: Torsions on MOPARs
Re: Adding "features" to my truck
Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Re: new 390 pix
crabbing f-100
Re: new 390 pix
72  long bed frame & bed 4 sale
F350 Super Camper Special Parts for sale
Re: new 390 pix
Howard's 390 Pix
PIONEER STEM SEALS
Re: Howard's 390 Pix
Re: new 390 pix
new 390 -fuel

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From: JXS <bdijxs bridgetest.com>
Subject: Which carb/Balancing?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:22:17 -0700

Hey Scott,

Haven't had any slosh problems, mostly because I haven't really taken this thing on the rough roads yet.....I keep a dirt bike for that!!!!!!

On my old Holley's, I had one of those "whistles", along with extensions on the bowl inlets (fuel line), and this seemed to make a big difference. However, the Edelbrock had NO sloshing problems to start out with.....

Thanks for the input on the CR.....I think you're right, I'll either try to find a set of lower-compression 428 pistons, or get the chambers milled out...

Let me know if you have any other questions on that Demon. It bolted right on the aluminum manifold, and I have a phenolic spacer in there. The linkage was real easy to modify, using the stock "mousetrap" deal.....I have a 4" tall K&N air filter, and with the carb and spacer, I think it just barely fits under the hood. This one has the small windows on the side of the fuel bowl, and all of the adjusting parts (mains, etc.) are Holley compatible, so they're easy to get.

There's a small off-idle bog, but I'm pretty sure it's a lean condition. Demon provides some small brass inserts that need to be tapped in to cure it. I haven't done it yet....I'm thinking I'll have the dyno guy confirm this and then do it.....

Anyway, sounds like you have a nice setup.....

Colorado Jeff (CJ)






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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Balancing?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:58:37 -0500


Just for the record... I paid $160 to have my 390 balanced.

---Garrett www.1966ford.com


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: scott
 To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 7:53 PM
 Subject: [61-79-list] Which carb/Balancing?


 >>Sorry, I'm not an authority on carb sizes, but I do have a 750 Demon on my
 >>428, which has similar mods to yours. My engine builder wouldn't let me put
 >>anything smaller on!!!!!!!!!! If you have questions about this carb, let me
 >>know. It appears to be a Holley design, but a lot easier to adjust. It runs
 >>great.

 How does a Demon perform off road? Does it have the fuel sloshing
 problems Holleys do?

 >>I had a question, though. About what elevation are you at?

 Reno,NV 4500'

 >> I noticed your high compression ratio, and I wonder if you ever have any pinging problems.

 Yes,I do.I only have 8 inital and only 35 total degrees advance in the
 Unilite and I still get a occasional ping If I'm not careful and I have
 to run Premium $205 a gallon and 10 MPG.
 And I'm thinking about a bigger carb.Oh,well..........

 >>I've never had any here in Colorado (I think my CR is about 10.3:1), but I
 >>have a cam to help bleed this off and aluminum heads. Mr. Wish (in Iowa) >>has been having trouble with this, and he thinks his ratio is closer to >>10:1 maybe...

 I have a da*n RV cam and iron heads.I believe more cam would help my
 situation.I have to smog it in January and then I get my "Collector"
 plates and then no more smog tests!!! Then the truck gets more cam.
 I'm thinking CJ style cam.

 >>We're working on another 428, and I'm wondering how much effort we should
 >>put into getting the CR down from over 10???? The engine guy says he knows
 >>someone who has a program set up on his CNC mill to cut out the stock heads
 >>to increase the chamber sizes.

 >>This engine won't have the aluminum heads, and probably some kind of RV  >>cam.

 I would try to at least get it below 10.

 >>How to Choose your next Carburator. By Chris Samuel in the Ford Truck   >>Enthusiasts tech article section. Just go to http://www.ford-trucks.com/

 Thanks,should have known FTE would be helpful,and thanks for alll the
 responses.


 >>Wondered if the cost(of balancing)justify's the expenditure for this low
 >>rpm truck engine (except for the occasional carbon cleaning)

  How much do they want to balance it? The shop that did mine charged me
 $150
 as part of the whole job.That is about %10 of the total investment in
 the motor,so it seems worth it to me,but is it absolutely nessasary?
  No,I have had many a un-balanced FE with out a problem.



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From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:18:21 -0400


Man, been waitin for the debate between Wish and Gary!  Again, between their
two insightfull views, I learn alot.!!  I have asked this valve stem
question several times myself, after many engine teardowns.  (look at those
silly little Orings the General uses) and the little voices that are my
friends...... gave me one of a couple answers: :)

I think your both right.

Gary say's:
(The guides stick up above the floor of the head (top) so are not in a
position for oil to pool around the opening and be drawn in that way but
there is sufficient splash to keep them lubricated even with the "Umbrella"
between the oil and the guide.  Without the umbrella the oil from the
rockers litterally pours down the valve stem through the spring retainers
like a flood. )

Absolutly correct. (voices)

Wish say's:
(So you're saying they're acutally used like umbrella's too in that they are
shedding the oil to the outside of the retainers and everything ? )

Absolutley correct. (again, voices)

Wish asks:
(So why would startup cause issues as a sign of shot seals ?  Is there that
much
left in the rockers to bleed down into the valves and cause it to smoke on
startup)

Answer.  Dont blame me if this is wrong. (blame the voices. :)

They do act as umbrellas, as Gary stated.  Unfortunatley, as they get old
and hard (oxymoron?) they dont seal around the valve stem itself.  That
little bit of gap, (times 12 or 16) along with guide wear, is enough to give
you blue smoke upon start up.  The oil from the upper valve train, read
rocker arms, valve spring retainers, after you shut the engine off, just
runs down the valve stems into the cylinders.  Gets even worse as the guides
wear more and the seals deteriorate to almost nothing.

PS  Even the umbrella valve seals are offered for the General as a after
market Hi Performance item.  Hmmmm,  these are stock on our Fords....??
Sorry, before i saw the LIGHT, I thought my 69 Chevelle was king.

Those Darn Voices...

Rich



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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Shipping engines
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:33:28 -0400

Is there a Yellow Trucking Lines   terminal close to you or him ?  I have
shipped parts that way before.  I had a ground effects kit for my 83 Mustang
shipped that way. It cost me $ 60.00  for the truck freight charge.
-----Original Message-----
From: Southerland, Rich <rsouther alldata.com>
To: 'ford list' <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 7:38 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Shipping engines


>Warning:  Contains some non-Ford references...
>
>Anyone recently shipped an engine or similar type components?  Pops has a
>'63 P0nti c Tempest conv.  It has the 194.5 4 cyl, which is basically a 389
>cut in half.  I have been picking up little things for it here and there.
>Bought some NOS stuff from a guy in FL who is gutting his car to make it a
>drag car.  We can have the drivetrain (engine, transaxle, driveshafts) for
>nothing as he wants it out of his sight.  Problem is we're in CA.  I
>wouldn't even bother asking, but these engines and transaxles are getting
>hard to come by.
>
>Where do I start checking to see if this is possible or worthwhile?  Any
>idea of what it might cost?
>
>FTE content:  If we were going to drive to pick it up, we'd take his ' 67
>F100 or my 77 E150... :)
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From: "Ballinger" <ballingr sbmu.net>
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:23:25 -0500

>It requires machine work to use them. If all
>new valve guides are used, then these seals are pressed onto the top of
>the
>new valve guides. If the heads have the original valve guides then the
>heads
>require machine work to use these seals.  They don't move with the >valve.
>They stay put and the valves move through them.

Steve Salas, (a great FE machinist/builder and troubleshooter) tells me that
there is a guide seal that will fit a stock FE guide.  It's a Pioneer number
that most machine shops can get #OS 940.  Ididn't get from your post if you
were working on the FE (Stubaby told me about your religious experience) or
the 300.

Hope this helps.




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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:08:37 -0400
From: Tony Marino <redneck raex.com>
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question

WOOHOO!! I failed E-friekin'-check 3 times last night!     (just wanted to
share that)

Hey Bill, (and others)

Yes, It is for a 300, but depending on what answer I finally resolve out of
all this good information that I'm getting, I'm sure I'm going to be doing
the seals in my 390 next anyway, so the part number is not in vain.   I
appreciate all the feedback guys, and it is fun to see Gary and Wish at it
again.   I'm just glad e-mail doesn't have arms.. ;-)

Tony Marino
redneck raex.com

At 05:23 8/30/2000 -0500, you wrote:
> >It requires machine work to use them. If all
> >new valve guides are used, then these seals are pressed onto the top of
> >the
> >new valve guides. If the heads have the original valve guides then the
> >heads
> >require machine work to use these seals.  They don't move with the >valve.
> >They stay put and the valves move through them.
>
>Steve Salas, (a great FE machinist/builder and troubleshooter) tells me that
>there is a guide seal that will fit a stock FE guide.  It's a Pioneer number
>that most machine shops can get #OS 940.  Ididn't get from your post if you
>were working on the FE (Stubaby told me about your religious experience) or
>the 300.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>
>
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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Torsions on MOPARs
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:08:44 -0500


Several of you write::>>"wish" <wish ford-trucks.net> wrote:
> >> Hahahaha, sounds like an old Chrysler with its torsion bar rear suspension
                                                               ^^^^
Then I wrote:
> >Uhhhhh, didn't you mean "front", or did I REALLY miss a few years during the
> >early '70's?  ;-)

Then wish wrote:
> Nope, I really meant rear ... I'm talkin 50's though, the first or second gen
> hemi's ... not the 'cuda's and stuff from the late 60's and early 70's ...
> Just my $.02
> wish

Now I'm gonna write:
Naaaaaahhhhh!  They were ALL rear leaf springs!  FRONT torsion bars, yes.  Started in 1957
if I remember right.  But rears, NOPE!  All leaf springs.  Gonna' have to show me.

(OK, I'll take Azie's word for it.  He's been around forever and would know these
things).
<<
Have to agree with whoever said," never seen torsions in the rear - all leaf sprung"..  That is the
only way I've ever seen them.  Longitutidal torsions in front and leaf rears.  Then in about '76
the latitudal(sic) versions were introduced, but all are in the front. '57 was the introduction of the
longitutal along with unibodies, if I remember correctly..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: 400 crank in 351W
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:14:33 -0500


Brett H. writes:  >>Azie,
If you didn't want to cut the counterweights, could you notch the bottoms
of the cylinders?  Or is this just the beginning of the interference
problems on the top side?
Jus' wondering......<<

Don't know all of it yet, and it isn't a priority at the moment.  I'll eventually find out and I'll let the list know as soon as I do. I just was at the point in a rebuild of a 351W that gave me a perfect opportunity to try it, so I did and reported my findings to the list..


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:20:37 -0500
From: Doss Halsey <halsey isl-inc.com>
Subject: Adding "features" to my truck

Folks,

I am in a quandry. I have located a truck (74 F250) at a boneyard that has
a few "features" I have been lusting after - namely a C-6 automatic and
power front disk brakes. They want $650 for the whole shootin' match. My
truck is presently a '68 F250 camper special with drums all around.

I have a few questions for the disk brake conversion crowd.

Option 1: Boost the drum brakes.
Questions: Is it possible to use this booster to just boost my drum breaks?
If so, can I use my original MC? original wheel cylinders? original
proportioning block? will the actuator rod work with my pedal?

Option 2: The whole deal (new front disks).
Questions: Can I use my original pedal? Same rear wheel cylinders as I have
now? Can I use the '74 twin I beams, or should I separate at the king pins?
is the drag link the same between the two trucks? power steering pitman arm
the same?

Sorry for so many questions, but I am trying to bound the problem before I
jump (i.e. how much trouble could I get myself into?).

Doss Halsey



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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:27:12 -0500
From: Doss Halsey <halsey isl-inc.com>
Subject: front seal of Dana 60

Folks,

Another question, if y'all don't mind. I need to replace the front seal of
my Dana 60 this weekend. Is there any more to this than:

1. loosen the big nut
2. replace the seal
3. tighten the big nut

torque spec?

Thanks,

Doss Halsey
'68 F250 Camper Special


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:40:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Torsions on MOPARs

>Several of you write::>>"wish" <wish ford-trucks.net> wrote:
>> >> Hahahaha, sounds like an old Chrysler with its torsion bar rear suspension

>                                                                ^^^^
>Then I wrote:
>> >Uhhhhh, didn't you mean "front", or did I REALLY miss a few years during
the
>> >early '70's?  ;-)
>
>Then wish wrote:
>> Nope, I really meant rear ... I'm talkin 50's though, the first or second
gen
>> hemi's ... not the 'cuda's and stuff from the late 60's and early 70's ...

>> Just my $.02
>> wish
>
>Now I'm gonna write:
>Naaaaaahhhhh!  They were ALL rear leaf springs!  FRONT torsion bars, yes.
Started in 1957
>
>Have to agree with whoever said," never seen torsions in the rear - all leaf
sprung"..  That is the
>only way I've ever seen them.  Longitutidal torsions in front and leaf rears.



Sorry guys, I must've misunderstood a few years ago, could've sworn Dad told
me the old Chrysler's were runnin torsion bars 'causin em to lift the rear funny
... Thanks for settin me straight ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:44:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Adding "features" to my truck

>Option 1: Boost the drum brakes.
>Questions: Is it possible to use this booster to just boost my drum breaks?

>If so, can I use my original MC? original wheel cylinders? original
>proportioning block? will the actuator rod work with my pedal?
>

Yes, I'm pretty sure my truck is all setup this way (factory 78 master cylinder
bolted in place of a 73 4x2 master cylinder all on the same booster, and I'm
boosting 4 drum brakes.  The pedal issue may be different though, you'll have
to measure the distances from either end to the pivot point to see if your leverage
is going to change, if what I think will happen does, then you'll have a very
light pedal with not much feedback if you use your stock manual pedal.  I still
haven't taken the time to adjust mine as they go a bit too far down, but I've
got all the disk brake conversion stuff sitting in my basement just beggin me
to put it on and then worry about it ...


Good luck, mine's a 4x4 so I can't comment on the rest of the swap at all.

Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:46:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Valve Stem Seal Question


>WOOHOO!! I failed E-friekin'-check 3 times last night!     (just wanted to

>share that)
>

Congrats I guess ... it means the truck is running and driveable though, so
that's progress ...


> and it is fun to see Gary and Wish at it
>again.   I'm just glad e-mail doesn't have arms.. ;-)
>

Since it looks like things are getting started again, I just want to say thanks
to Gary and to tell him that there are usually no hard feelings, I argue with
you and debate this stuff to learn how things work in my own head just as the
guys who watch the list ... hope you don't mind too much, if it goes too far,
just say so, I won't stop, but at least I'll know ;)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:53:43 GMT
Subject: Re: new 390 pix



>Thanks, the valve covers came off of a '66 352, I like them because they look

>different and are smaller, makes it a little easier to get to the 2 spark plugs

>behind the brake booster.
>

Cool, I had my stock ones chromed, that gives a pretty different look as well
:)

>Just some specs on the engine:
>
>Block: D3TF .040 over

Ah, I only went .030 over on mine, seems like a D4TE block though ... are you
sure that's not a TE instead of a TF ?

>Crank: 390 2U .010 mains, .010 rods
>Rods C7AE-B(?) 428CJ

ditto for me on both of these, I think the rods were pretty much leftover, but
nice to know we got good ones in there from the factory :)   Makes me wonder
what the 360's got hiding in it...

>Crane cam, .533/.563   272/284

woof, that cam's even bigger than the one I'm runnin ... no wonder you've got
no pinging problems :)
Mine's "only" .512/.538   292/302

Ah, less lift but more duration ... should be similar then and probably lets
you build more compression actually, depending on lobe centers of course (104/120
for me)

>Dynagear roller timing set
>new melling HV oil pump

Nice, I just went with stock stuff, wishin I'd gone HV on the pump now though
as I think the machinist built in a bit of extra clearance on my mains.

>Edelbrock Performer intake
>Holley 1850 600cfm carb

Same carb, different intake :)

>Pertronix ignitor ign module
>stock rebuilt dizzy
>Pertronix Flame Thrower Coil.

That ignition sitting in the corner of the garage is just beggin me to install
it, currently runnin stock points setup.  What plugs are you using ?  A stock
or colder plug ?

>DynoMax Headers

That'll help ... a lot.

>I guess that about does it. I hope to get the truck on a dyno just to see what
it
>is putting out.
>

I'm very interested to find out what it is putting out :)  There aren't any
dyno's close by and my car would probably be the one I'd put on there first
anyway, though it'd be fun to show up and show those ricers just what a motor
older than them can put out :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Kaczmar <biertest-r excite.com>
Subject: crabbing f-100

I had a friend following behind me yesterday and he said he noticed that the
truck was crabbing a bit. He couldn't get a good sight line down the
passenger side, but the he said the left front was an 1 or two outboard of
the left rear. It was hard to sight down the right side, as it has Ranger
Rash from fender through the front of the bed... (f'in Ranger.....grumble.

Is the front track a bit wider than the rear on the 67-72's? Could this be
why it looks like it's crabbing?

Has anybody ever spent any time moving the rear axle around a bit to
straighten out the way the their truck tracks?

Thanks

Michael Kaczmar
70 F-100 Shortbox
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:58:59 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: Re: new 390 pix

>
>
> >Pertronix ignitor ign module
> >stock rebuilt dizzy
> >Pertronix Flame Thrower Coil.
>
> That ignition sitting in the corner of the garage is just beggin me to install
> it, currently runnin stock points setup.  What plugs are you using ?  A stock
> or colder plug ?

I installed Motorcraft BF-42's I think. I just asked for plugs for a '74 390. I am
still waiting on the muffler shop to call, I am getting new exhaust from the headders
back, 2.5" pipe, Turbo mufflers. Then I can really get it out on the road and see how
it runs.

How much would you expect an engine built like this to put out? 300hp? 350hp?390hp??
I'd be happy with 1hp/ci



Howardb


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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:00:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Kaczmar <biertest-r excite.com>
Subject: 72  long bed frame & bed 4 sale

Hey Folks

I still have an F-100 long bed frame sitting at my shop. The bed is in OKay
shape, and still attached. Not much else on the frame.

It's is Pontiac Michigan, and might get hauled to the scrapper if nobody
wants it. I am moving out of the place by the end of the week.
I'd hate to have a frame in this good a shape scrapped, but I have no use
for it.

If anybody is interested in a very clean, solid frame, give me a holler

248-227-6609 or drop me an email.

Any offer considered (Read free to a good home)


Michael Kaczmar
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From: Chris Brandt <CBrandt ClarityVisual.com>
Subject: F350 Super Camper Special Parts for sale
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:42:41 -0700

Time to get rid of a project again....

The truck is a 77 F350 Super Camper Special. Had a cab and engine fire...
All the running gear is really good with all front bearings, bushings and
brakes like new. The axle code(D7) is from a 3.73 Power-lock dana 70. A very
rare and desireable single rear wheel Dana 70. (I have not pulled the cover
to verify) The box sides are rust free and strait, the spare tire
door/hanger assembly is perfect. The extra capacity tanks are also hard to
find. Ford put a very heavy frame under this truck. I bought it to make a
Crew Cab ultra short box out of it but now have no time for the project. The
wheelbase is 140" The same as a club cab short box or a crew cab with a 5'
box. The wheelwell being back in the box would be perfectly centered if you
cut the box for a crew cab. Kinda make a 70's version of the F150 Super
Crew.... That was my intention by the way.

I  have a factory Ford Cap for sale, in reasonable shape with all the
factory tie downs and keys and such. Bought it new with my 79.

Also have a dealer installed in dash A/C unit for a 73-79 (bought it to put
air in the crew-cab cab)

Some 460 truck A/C mounts

A Lincoln Disk brake set up for a 9" rear.

Set of photocopied service manuals (the 5 volume set)

Prices are flexible and negotiable. Most of the good parts are pretty big so
shipping can be arranged but might not be wort it....

Chris Brandt Portland Or

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:07:12 GMT
Subject: Re: new 390 pix


>How much would you expect an engine built like this to put out? 300hp? 350hp?390hp??

>I'd be happy with 1hp/ci
>

Using the gross (as in way off) numbers that they published in the 60's and
such, I wouldn't think 390 would be impossible, but it will be tough today.
If you are putting the truck on a chassis dyno, don't forget to add driveline
drag into things, so knock probably 20% off for an automatic right away, then
another bunch off for gross vs. net hp ratings ... so if you can put over 250
to the rear wheels, you're doing pretty good I'd say ... that's all guestimates
though.  I can't run enough timing with the gas around here to put more than
an est. 260 or so if I remember right (bad memory though, may have to try again,
Gtech and quarter mile times plugged into equations are pretty rough estimates)
... If I ever decide to run down to Ankeny I can pick up some Cam2 for $3.50/gallon
and tune the truck really quick to see what sort of numbers I can make, but
that sounds like an investment more than fun :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:28:28 -0700
From: Marv & Marge <ae722 lafn.org>
Subject: Howard's 390 Pix

<Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com> wrote:

> I uploaded a couple of pix of my new 390 I installed this past > weekend.
> You can see them at:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=257053&Auth=false

Howard,
Sure would like to see you run a hose from that breather cap to
somewhere inside the air filter.  Otherwise, the PCV valve on the
other breather cap, which supplies a vacuum to the engine's internals,
will suck dusty air right into the left valve cover, and into the
engine.  As Martha says:  "And that's NOT a good thing".

-M-

Marv Miller  mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: PIONEER STEM SEALS
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:35:20 -0400


> Steve Salas, (a great FE machinist/builder and troubleshooter) tells me
that
> there is a guide seal that will fit a stock FE guide.  It's a Pioneer
number
> that most machine shops can get #OS 940.
=================================================
Wll they fit witout any other mods than just sticking them on and do they
seal well
gordon


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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:30:46 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: Re: Howard's 390 Pix

Yea, I know I still need to get another PCV elbow and some hose to close that
up.......

Howardb

Marv & Marge wrote:

> <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com> wrote:
>
> > I uploaded a couple of pix of my new 390 I installed this past > weekend.
> > You can see them at:
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=257053&Auth=false
>
> Howard,
> Sure would like to see you run a hose from that breather cap to
> somewhere inside the air filter.  Otherwise, the PCV valve on the
> other breather cap, which supplies a vacuum to the engine's internals,
> will suck dusty air right into the left valve cover, and into the
> engine.  As Martha says:  "And that's NOT a good thing".
>
> -M-
>
> Marv Miller  mailto:ae722 lafn.org
> "Striving to be the person
>  that my dog thinks I am".
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:32:50 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: Re: new 390 pix

I found a speed garage close to work that has a dyno the back wheels roll on a roller in
the floor. That should give a pretty good idea of what I am putting to the ground

Howardb

wish wrote:

> >How much would you expect an engine built like this to put out? 300hp? 350hp?390hp??
>
> >I'd be happy with 1hp/ci
> >
>
> Using the gross (as in way off) numbers that they published in the 60's and
> such, I wouldn't think 390 would be impossible, but it will be tough today.
>  If you are putting the truck on a chassis dyno, don't forget to add driveline
> drag into things, so knock probably 20% off for an automatic right away, then
> another bunch off for gross vs. net hp ratings ... so if you can put over 250
> to the rear wheels, you're doing pretty good I'd say ... that's all guestimates
> though.  I can't run enough timing with the gas around here to put more than
> an est. 260 or so if I remember right (bad memory though, may have to try again,
> Gtech and quarter mile times plugged into equations are pretty rough estimates)
> ... If I ever decide to run down to Ankeny I can pick up some Cam2 for $3.50/gallon
> and tune the truck really quick to see what sort of numbers I can make, but
> that sounds like an investment more than fun :)
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish
>
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: new 390 -fuel
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:38:16 -0400


> > ... If I ever decide to run down to Ankeny I can pick up some Cam2 for ....


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