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61-79-list Digest Wed, 23 Aug 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 212

In This Issue:
Re: Flipped shackle
Re: Flipped shackle
Re: Highboy ID
Re: Flipped shackle
Re: 351M distributor shear pin repair
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Re: bigger tires
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Re: New List
Re: Mustangs vs. Trucks
Re: Flipped shackle
Re: Flipped shackle
Re: Flipped shackle
Re: Flipped shackle
Re: Flipped shackle
Re: Flipped shackle
"Chromed" Plastic
Re: 400M crank into 351W
Re: Flipped shackle
pinion snubbers
Re: Flipped Shackle
79 bronco mods pictures (also has some flipped shackle pi

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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:49:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Flipped shackle



>I've not investigated doing this with a truck but I did it on an old 54
>Ch*** once and you have to figure out a way to keep it there once you do it.


Hahahaha, Dad's told me about this "trick" before, but we're talkin (I hope)
slightly different, I think he means to grind the rivets off and flip the shackle
retainer over so it points down instead of up ... This would put the shackles
in compression instead of tension.

I thought it gave you a bit of lift too, so I was thinking of doing that and
eliminating the stock lift blocks so it would ride at normal height still, but
without the blocks ... maybe I'm misunderstanding part of the concept here ...
I also though I read something quite a while ago about someone doing this, so
a search through the archives might not be a bad idea ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:52:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Flipped shackle

>I have a little axle wrap but I have certainly seen much
>worse.  It's hard to avoid axle wrap with lotsa lift, 38.5 swampers, 4 speed

>and a 460.
>
>They springs are skyjacker softride's and fairly new.  I didn't use any lift

>blocks, but I did keep the stock blocks that were on the 93 F-350 that I got

>my rear end from.
>

One big difference is that the Toys and such are designed with such shackles,
the Ford is being used opposite from how it was designed, so this may make it
act differently.  Also I don't know much about the softride springs and their
properties ... they may be wrapping more than you think ...

When the truck is at rest, the shackles probably don't point straight down,
are they pointing forward or backward ?  It could be that you're passing back
and forth between straight up and down and either slightly forward or backward,
this would accentuate the lifting characteristics ... are you using any sort
of extended shackle or just the stock one ?

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:50:07 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Highboy ID

Thanks Danny and Matt

Matt: I was at your site a couple days ago ... NICE truck!

Danny: By your descriptions, I've been driving a Hi Boy all along. ('77
Explorer) And I got another ('76) in the boneyard. I never heard of
Fords called HB's till I found the FTE site.

Thanks again,
Gregster
'77 F-250 Explorer 4x4


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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: Flipped shackle
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:04:03 -0700

I just used the stock shackles for now, but I am building some that will
extend a few more inches to give me more droop but those plans are on hold
until I figure out my problem.

....Ahhh another problem I forgot to mention.  When I first intalled them at
rest the shackle was angled back a little less than helf way threw the
travel, This way the shackle had a little more travel compressed all the way
then when extended all the way.  When fully extended it is pointing almost
straight down maybe slightly forward but not much... Now onto the problem.
Now that they have been like this for a month or two the shackles are almost
compressed all the way when the truck it just sitting their.  Leaving only a
couple inches of compression before the shackles hit by flatbed.

I guess the spring have sagged a little causing the distance between the
eyes on the springs to spread out a few inches.  this in turn moves the
shackle back to accomodate the increase in distance.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: wish [mailto:wish ford-trucks.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:52 PM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Flipped shackle


>I have a little axle wrap but I have certainly seen much
>worse.  It's hard to avoid axle wrap with lotsa lift, 38.5 swampers, 4
speed

>and a 460.
>
>They springs are skyjacker softride's and fairly new.  I didn't use any
lift

>blocks, but I did keep the stock blocks that were on the 93 F-350 that I
got

>my rear end from.
>

One big difference is that the Toys and such are designed with such
shackles,
the Ford is being used opposite from how it was designed, so this may make
it
act differently.  Also I don't know much about the softride springs and
their
properties ... they may be wrapping more than you think ...

When the truck is at rest, the shackles probably don't point straight down,
are they pointing forward or backward ?  It could be that you're passing
back
and forth between straight up and down and either slightly forward or
backward,
this would accentuate the lifting characteristics ... are you using any sort
of extended shackle or just the stock one ?

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:15:49 -0400
From: George Selby <digiman cegi.net>
Subject: Re: 351M distributor shear pin repair

At 03:45 PM 8/23/00 -0400, you wrote:
>In
>the case of valve stem seal debris, it should never have gotten to the pump
>if the screen was doing it's job........

Well, when I replaced the oil pump (during the second repair) I replaced
the oil pump pickup tube and screen with Genuine Ford replacement
units.  Upon examination of the new tube and screen, there is a large gap
all the way around the edge of the screen except where the metal the screen
fits the three notches that hold it in.  I assume that's how the piece of
valve stem seal got there the third time, and I also assume that the large
gaps are there in case your oil pump screen gets clogged, it will let some
oil through.

My drive gear was just slightly more than hand tight, and I grabbed it on
the part you slip the pin in, not on the drive gears themselves.  IF it was
more stuck, but the pin was broke, I could see how one could damage their
parts, guess I was careful.  I did say to grab it loosely.


George Selby
78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd
86 Nissan 300ZX
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"RE: swapping a np203 to a np205"
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"RE: Has anyone ever done this?"
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"RE: 78' F100 w/ 400 runs rough"
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"RE: Low Oil Pressure Fix?"
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"RE: swapping a np203 to a np205"
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: bigger tires
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:47:48 -0400

Is your suspension stock height?  You don't have any fit
> problems with those tall tires?  Do you have a picture of your truck
> that I can look at?
Mark in Southwest Washington
=============================================================
HI Mark
mine is a 2 wheel drive f 100 79 it looks like a 4 x4 tho with these tires
on it and the way the stance is
i dont have any pics really but i think it looks good tho really as far as
fit troubles NONE at all
i do not have any type of lift kit or anything else added to it either i
just use the old girl anymore for hauling firewood is all but she sets high
enough i dont worry to much about hitting short stumps or dragging bottom
either now
gordon



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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: "D. DiMartino" <grunon yahoo.com>
Subject: trim score

made a trip to a junk yard today and got a spotless windshield
trim set, two side marker reflectors for the hood emblems in
perfect shape, that stupid retaining cable for the glovebox, an
original radio mount bracket w/no damage and all the mounting
hardware to put the tailgate on. all from a 70 f-250.

$5.00!

also saw a worn out 68/69 with a decent aluminum grill
w/headlight bezels that would need a serious buffing but had no
major damage.

=====
Daniel DiMartino
<grunon yahoo.com>
1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:06:31 -0400
From: "O'Connor" <theoconnors mindspring.com>
Subject: New List

Ken,
Can we start a new list dedicated to the discussion about what the M in
353M means?
Tim 66F100 w/352 and darn glad it's an FE

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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: New List
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:11:29 -0700

353M?  Gonna be a large list of one.  Enjoy yourself! 8P

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Ken,
Can we start a new list dedicated to the discussion about what the M in
353M means?
Tim 66F100 w/352 and darn glad it's an FE
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:13:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Hall <sch8489 garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Mustangs vs. Trucks

the biggest selling model year of mustang was a '70-something mustang II.

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, wish wrote:

> April 17th 1964, the opening of the New York World's fair to be precise ...
>
> I could've sworn the Mustang production numbers were pretty darned high since
> they broke tons of sales records in their first few years, but you are correct
> in the 70's and early 90's sales were very low while truck sales climbed.

mustang sales numbers _were_ high, and are high(er) again.  but ford sells
_a_lot_ of f150s, especially to fleet sales.  not a whole lot of mustang
fleet sales, except to hertz.

scott


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:15:42 -0700
From: Don Grossman <duckdon mac.com>
Subject: Re: Flipped shackle

Something like this is what I think we are talking about ( sorry
about the size)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacificsites.com/~duckdon/flip.htm
--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:17:22 -0600
From: "Richard Currit" <RCURRI state.wy.us>
Subject: Re: Flipped shackle

>First off when I step on the gas going forward it fully extends the
shackle
>raising the back end of my truck up about three inches maybe more.

As somebody else mentioned, the old torsion bar MoPars do this also
(this is actually a good thing in my opinion).  So, you might want to
find an old MoPar and pull the pinion snubber off of it.  This is a
metal plate and hard rubber snubber that limits the amount (its
adjustable) of up and down movement of the pinion when under a lot of
torque.  (This is why traction or ladder bars on an old MoPar muscle car
are redundant, and actually harmfull.)  This won't stop the back end
from raising up but it will limit the wrap up effect and make it much
more stable by helping to distribute equal downward forces to both
sides.

As far as it dropping when in reverse I have absolutely no
clue.....only back up going uphill??????

High Plains Richard
'72 F-100, 300 I6

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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: Flipped shackle
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:18:45 -0700

This is exactly what I did --Good pics know who they belong to?

Josh

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Something like this is what I think we are talking about ( sorry
about the size)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacificsites.com/~duckdon/flip.htm
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duckdon mac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:23:14 -0700
From: Don Grossman <duckdon mac.com>
Subject: Re: Flipped shackle

>This is exactly what I did --Good pics know who they belong to?
>
>Josh
Me
;)
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Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: Flipped shackle
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:25:26 -0700

Are you having the same problem as I am??  My setup looks almost exactly the
same--My perch sits a little higher because I didn't want an extra lift.
What spring are you using, stock?

Josh

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>This is exactly what I did --Good pics know who they belong to?
>
>Josh
Me
;)
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77 F250
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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: Flipped shackle
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:28:16 -0700

If you wouldn't mind how far apart are you front and rear spring perches? I
moved my rear axle up about a foot at the same time I flipped them, maybe I
got the perch's a little off

Josh

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From: "PitStop Performance" <thepitstop hotmail.com>
Subject: "Chromed" Plastic
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:31:15 CDT

Hello All,

Does anyone know who rechromes those plastic dash parts?

Thanks.
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From: "PitStop Performance" <thepitstop hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 400M crank into 351W
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:39:54 CDT

>400M crank is based off of the Cleveland design, and the mains are >Huge
>compared to the 351W. I think almost .25" has to be removed,
>if not more to make the main fit.

Sorry, but that is wrong. the Modified crank is based off of the Windsor,
not the Cleveland.

The 351W, 351M, and 400M all have the same journal diameter (2.9994 -
3.0002). The 351C has smaller (2.7484 - 2.7492) journals.

Harry.
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:40:36 -0700
From: Don Grossman <duckdon mac.com>
Subject: Re: Flipped shackle

>Are you having the same problem as I am??  My setup looks almost exactly the
>same--My perch sits a little higher because I didn't want an extra lift.
>What spring are you using, stock?
>
>Josh

Well the truck is a 63 F100.  The springs and hangers are stock 77
F-150 4x4 springs.  The springs are softer than the old set so I
do/did ( have not driven it in a while) have a bit of axle movement
under acceleration but no real lifting.  Here is the rest of the
setup, Dana 60, 4.10's, 35" BFG's in the rear.  Most of the time the
springs do little except locate the rear axle.  The air springs have
about 25psi at ride height and take most of the weight of the truck
off the springs.  I plan on building some locating bars for the
bottom of the axle to keep the fore/aft movement to a minimum.

Right now the springs are fully compressed (as far as they are going
to go with my setup)

The distance between the center of the spring mounts are 53 1/4".
that is from the center of the front spring bolt to the center of the
shackle bolt on the rear hanger.  When I hung those springs I tried
to move the rear axle back about 2" to center the wheel in the wheel
well.

laters
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Don Grossman
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: pinion snubbers
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:29:17 -0400

you can get these from SUMITT RACING EQUIP. they do have a on line catalog
also
gordon


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:26:08 -0700
From: Marv & Marge <ae722 lafn.org>
Subject: Re: Flipped Shackle

"wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>

> Hahahaha, sounds like an old Chrysler with its torsion bar rear suspension ...
> take off hard and the back lifts instead of lowering ...   ^^^^

Uhhhhh, didn't you mean "front", or did I REALLY miss a few years during the
early '70's?  ;-)

-M-

Marv Miller  mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:53:15 -0400
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: 79 bronco mods pictures (also has some flipped shackle pi

Hey all

Took some pics of my mods done to my trail truck

Here is that dreaded GM axle

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/14bolt.jpg

Here is a cover, covering a hole I drilled to get access to that huge
bolt that holds transfer case lever.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/TCbolthole.jpg

Door edge molding on edge of "trimmed"  (OK, hacked :-)) wheelwells.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/dooredge.jpg

Non CV driveshaft. Even at incorrect CV angle on pinion end, no
vibrations at all up to 50 MPH (fastest I went so far).

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/driveshaft.jpg

Crappy picture of the gas carrier I built. Used some parts from stock
tire carrier.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/gascarr.jpg

Front lights, recessed into cut out grill area.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/frontlight.jpg

Gas tank skid plate for small tank.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/gastankskid.jpg

Mini "tubs" to keep tire rubbage from eating up new swampers ;-).

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/minitubinside.jpg

Mini tube from outside.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/minituboutside.jpg

Late 80's mustang seats on stock bronco seat mounts.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/mustseats.jpg

Onboard air.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/onboardair.jpg

14 bolt rear disks.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/reardisk.jpg

Rare factory rear interior light option :-)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/rearintlight.jpg

Halogen tractor lights, rubber case (20$ each).

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/rearlights.jpg

Shackle flip for stock springs. Best fit for shackle travel/lift was
drilling rear holes, about midway between stock set of holes. A little
over an inch actual lift at axle.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/shackflip.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/DILYSI/shackflip2.jpg
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