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61-79-list Digest Tue, 22 Aug 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 207

In This Issue:
The story of  the "M"
Re: FE cam oiling
300 six rear mail seal.
Re: The story of  the "M"
The REAL story behind the M...
Re: The REAL story behind the M...
Re: Wow
Re: The REAL story behind the M...
Re: electrical drain
351M, got an answer
Steering swaps
Re: 351M, got an answer
240/300 intake manifolds
Tweety's gettin parked
Re: 240/300 intake manifolds
Re: 351M, got an answer
Re: Engine
Re: unusual truck configuration ?
Toyota box is not for a 66!!
Re: The story of  the "M"
Re: Stroker W's
Brake lines
Re: Stroker W's
Re: Stroked W's

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From: "Deacon" <deconblu ford-trucks.com>
Subject: The story of  the "M"
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:59:17 -0700

   To end this confusion, I will give you the background where "M" in
351M & 400M originated.
   When the newly formed AQMD\EPA government watchdog took office, they
quickly put into effect new standards for automotive emissions that the
auto makers needed to comply with on new models. At the time of the new
standards, on the drafting tables was Fords new family of big block
engines destine to replace the FE\FT engines. Lucky timing for Ford.
With the new engine still in R&D, there wouldn't be a need for costly
tooling upgrades for the new engine family, simply incorporate the new
standards into it's design. Ford R&D went to work redesigning the new
351/400 series engine family. The letter "M" was added to the "Modified"
design to distinguish it from the original. When introduced to the
public, it was given the name 351/400M. When naming the engine family,
Marketing called it the 351/400M only because that's what was on the
blueprints. This is why there is no explanation in Ford documentation
for the "M". The reason Ford performance recognizes the "M" as
"Modified" is because in designing high performance parts for the
351/400M engine family, they use the original blueprints where the "M"
stands for "Modified".
   I hope this clears up the confusion. It took a lot of time making
this up. I felt someone had to, so why not let it be me. Got to admit
that it sounds good, don't it! 8]

Later!

Deacon

deconblu ford-trucks.com
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:35:13 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: Re: FE cam oiling

Thanks to all for the replies to this question. After the first reply,I
remembered the grooves in the bores. Mystery solved!! I am slowly getting the
engine put back together.

Howardb

Mark Flynn wrote:

> >  oil pump, to top gallery, oils cam bearings, then down to mains. I had
> >   new cam bearings installed and they only have
> >    oil holes pointing to the top, but I can't figure out how the mains get
> >   oil.
> >
>
> I had the same problem understanding this one, until I removed the cam
> bearings. I wasn't getting any oil to the heads or mains.
>
> Basically, there is a groove in the block that runs around the bore of
> the the cam bearing area. Oil flows from the oil galley down to each cam
> bearing, and runs along the groove which supplies oil to the bearing via
> the bearing hole, and also to another oil passage which runs down to
> each main bearing. Unless you pull the bearings you can't see this. The
> front bearing is a little different and has two holes, and is fed oil
> right from the oil pump.
>
> My problem was, in my nice newly machined block was, that the shop only
> pulled some of the oil galley plugs for hot tanking, and didn't get all
> the sludge out. I trashed all my bearings and my rocker assemblies
> during the initial run in. From now on, I'll be installing the cam
> bearing myself so that I can personally run a brush through all the
> passages before assembly.
>
> Mark
> San Jose
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:40:15 -0700
From: Don Grossman <duckdon mac.com>
Subject: 300 six rear mail seal.

Hey all

Quick question here about a Rear Mail seal.  The seal decided
to not do it's job anymore( at the rate of about 4 quarts to a tank
full) in my 77 F250.  Is it a 2 piece seal and do I need to remove
the clutch, ect to change it out?  I know it would be easier with the
clutch out and all but I would rather just change the seal if I could.

Thanks all

--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: The story of  the "M"
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:49:28 -0700

ROFLMAO

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Deacon" <deconblu ford-trucks.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 7:59 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] The story of the "M"


>     To end this confusion, I will give you the background where "M" in
> 351M & 400M originated.
>     When the newly formed AQMD\EPA government watchdog took office, they
> quickly put into effect new standards for automotive emissions that the
> auto makers needed to comply with on new models. At the time of the new
> standards, on the drafting tables was Fords new family of big block
> engines destine to replace the FE\FT engines. Lucky timing for Ford.
> With the new engine still in R&D, there wouldn't be a need for costly
> tooling upgrades for the new engine family, simply incorporate the new
> standards into it's design. Ford R&D went to work redesigning the new
> 351/400 series engine family. The letter "M" was added to the "Modified"
> design to distinguish it from the original. When introduced to the
> public, it was given the name 351/400M. When naming the engine family,
> Marketing called it the 351/400M only because that's what was on the
> blueprints. This is why there is no explanation in Ford documentation
> for the "M". The reason Ford performance recognizes the "M" as
> "Modified" is because in designing high performance parts for the
> 351/400M engine family, they use the original blueprints where the "M"
> stands for "Modified".
>     I hope this clears up the confusion. It took a lot of time making
> this up. I felt someone had to, so why not let it be me. Got to admit
> that it sounds good, don't it! 8]
>
> Later!
>
> Deacon
>
> deconblu ford-trucks.com
> deconblu earthlink.net
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/
>




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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: The REAL story behind the M...
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:09:58 -0700

Has anyone (but me) has ever noticed that between the letter C and the
letter W there are exactly 19 letters? That means that between the letter C
and the letter M there are 9 letters D-L. Still referring to our trusty
alphabet we see that between the letter M and the letter W there are also
EXACTLY 9 letters, N-V. The letter M is dead center in the middle of C and
W...I think we can safely hypothesize from this that Ford engineers simply
decided "what the hell, it's as good a letter as any other and people will
wonder for years what that stupid M means"


"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

OK...OK...I'm stocking up on ammo...



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From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Re: The REAL story behind the M...
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:14:19 -0700

Somebody has a little too much time on their hands, I think... ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beyer [mailto:bbeyer99 home.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:10 AM
To: 61-79 List
Subject: [61-79-list] The REAL story behind the M...


Has anyone (but me) has ever noticed that between the letter C and the
letter W there are exactly 19 letters? That means that between the letter C
and the letter M there are 9 letters D-L. Still referring to our trusty
alphabet we see that between the letter M and the letter W there are also
EXACTLY 9 letters, N-V. The letter M is dead center in the middle of C and
W...I think we can safely hypothesize from this that Ford engineers simply
decided "what the hell, it's as good a letter as any other and people will
wonder for years what that stupid M means"


"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

OK...OK...I'm stocking up on ammo...


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:11:24 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Wow

At 10:03 AM 8/22/00, you wrote:
>> There is a lot more going on over here than in the 48 - 60 list!
>>
>> Glenn in TN
>
>Yup!! Always has been. We drive Ken crazy because we won't let him split us
>up. Hi, Ken. :-)

Not anymore (well at least not as much) since I switched over
to Listar from Majordomo for the list software.  Listar takes
care of a lot of my headaches.

Many of the guys on this list don't know we started a new list
last month.  The 97up list was getting so much Super Duty and
Diesel traffic that a vote was made to split it into two lists:

1. 97up light duty
2. Super Duty and Diesel

The new list has done really well.

Ken



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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: The REAL story behind the M...
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:18:12 -0700

I just refuse to waste all that time sleeping. Someday I'll clue you in on
my theory about where all those socks go...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:14 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: The REAL story behind the M...


> Somebody has a little too much time on their hands, I think... ;-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Beyer [mailto:bbeyer99 home.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:10 AM
> To: 61-79 List
> Subject: [61-79-list] The REAL story behind the M...
>
>
> Has anyone (but me) has ever noticed that between the letter C and the
> letter W there are exactly 19 letters? That means that between the letter
C
> and the letter M there are 9 letters D-L. Still referring to our trusty
> alphabet we see that between the letter M and the letter W there are also
> EXACTLY 9 letters, N-V. The letter M is dead center in the middle of C and
> W...I think we can safely hypothesize from this that Ford engineers simply
> decided "what the hell, it's as good a letter as any other and people will
> wonder for years what that stupid M means"
>
>
> "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
> OK...OK...I'm stocking up on ammo...




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From: daler atlantic.net
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:24:46 -0400
Subject: Re: electrical drain

Here's a way to eliminate some possibilities. Disconnect the positive terminal
of your battery and insert an ammeter like you can get at radio shack(analog
works best). If the battery is actually being drained by something vs the
battery just be defective, you should see a deflection on the needle. If you
get that, then one at a time remove a fuse until it doesn't show any current
flowing. The last fuse you removed should be a good clue to where to spend your
time looking. If after all fuses have been removed,and you still have drain,
start looking at the charging side i.e. regulator, alternator, bad wire in the
harness. Hope this helps.

Dale Rimkunas
'65 F-100

> >>I have run into a problem, however-  my truck (71 f250
> >>recently rebuilt 360, c6)
> >>has a slow electrical drain such that if i dont run it
> >>regularly (i.e. if it
> >>sits for 5-7 days) the battery runs dead.  It is a brand new
> >>battery.




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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:26:38 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: 351M, got an answer

Got an answer from Betties Wong of Ford Motor Company
Historical.  This answer has been independently validated
by Willie Foolem of Ford SVT and a follow up call to
Marty Pants of the light truck division also confirms it.

It seems that the M in 351M stands for Mystification.
:-)

Ken Payne


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:30:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: m whit <broncoman85 excite.com>
Subject: Steering swaps

I'm not real sure about the earlier 60's but I've done a swap on a 67,69 and
71 using the steering column and sector from late 70's trucks the only thing
I had trouble with was on the ones where I swapped a tilt column in had to
cut and fit the bottom column trim at the dash. And if I rem. correctly the
firewall cover off the earlier model wouldn't work, nor the cover from the
later. Ended up using the later model firewall cover and drilling holes in
the firewall to screw it to it.
Whit
77 F250 4X4 20 inchs lift 800 horse 429 44 Boggers
75 F100 460
78 Bronco 11 inchs lift stock 351M (I call it modified) 44 Gumbos
69 F100 302
85 Bronco 302
76 F250 converted to dual wheels and is a tow truck(forgot this one last
time LOL)





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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:33:25 EDT
Subject: Re: 351M, got an answer

HAHAHAHA, you go Ken!

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:30:40 -0400
From: Don Haring <haring fedora.net>
Subject: 240/300 intake manifolds

I have questions about aftermarket intakes for the 240/300 I6. As far as I
know, there are 3 manifold avaialble: Clifford and two by Offenhauser.
Clifford lists that their intake manifold does not work with the stock
exhaust manfold. Do the Offys work with manifolds or do you need to use
headers? Has anyone used this set-up in an early Econoline? I'm wondering
about clearance problems, particularly with the stock engine doghouse.

If anyone has used one of these manifolds, please let me know how you liked
it and any problems you've encountered. I'm trying to weigh my options.

Thanks,
don

Don Haring, Jr., Philadelphia, PA
FCA Keystone Chapter Editor
61 Futura, 66 Club Wagon and classic scooters



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:41:23 EDT
Subject: Tweety's gettin parked

Hello everyone.  IT almost hurts my heart to write this, but as of Saturday,
Tweety is getting garaged.  This motor is getting really bad, and other stuff
is starting to go due to me putting most of my $$ into the engine Im
building.  I was recently offered something I cant refuse, and it all just
really helps my situation.  Im going to park Tweety for the next year or so,
Finish my engine rebuild, clean up the wiring mess under the hood, rebuild my
front suspension.  ALL the brakes need attention.  After thats done, Im going
to gut the interior, and put in a new seat, new carpet, recover the dash.
Rebuild the stereo system, etc etc.  But on the plus side, Im the proud owner
of a 71 Stang with a Cleveland.  Ive owned small blocks, FE's, and Tweety's
460.  I've built an inline six, and a 2.3 four.  But untill now had never
really even messed with a 335 series (short of removing them to install
460's)  This is gonna be fun.  Best part is its cheap. Friends sellin it to
me on a payment plan.  $1600 total, and I know its worth it.  Only thing the
car needs is a clutch and seat covers.  Its a notchback, and in 71 wasnt the
greatest looking car, but I figure it just makes it a sleeper.  As far as
Tweety goes, I'll keep you updated with the progress of the revitalization.
Can we all have a moment of silence, Tweety deserves it I think.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 Super Camper Special Ranger XLT w/ Factory 460 "Tweety"
71 Stang coupe with 351C and a 3 on the floor "yet to be named"

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:51:23 EDT
Subject: Re: 240/300 intake manifolds

In a message dated 8/22/00 8:37:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
haring fedora.net writes:

<< If anyone has used one of these manifolds, please let me know how you liked
it and any problems you've encountered. I'm trying to weigh my options.
 >>

My brother has the Clifford intake and their dual headers, Real good as far
as power, but I understand the Offy is a dual plane intake, where the
Clifford is a single plane.  We haven't noticed much of a problem with the
single plane, just a lil lope at idle, but Im sure the cam is part of that
too.  We chose to go with the intake that had the coolant passage under the
intake.  Should help winter drivability, and it also helped some of the
vaporlock problems the truck used to have.  Best thing about updating is you
get to toss that POS Carter carb.  We couldn't get his to stay tight for
anything, It would just get loose, and you'd be out there with a 7/16 wrench
tweakin it down.  Tried lockwashers, loctite, bearing mount (caterpillar
brand stuff, like loctite on steroids) I don't know what clearance problems
you would have though.  There is a guy in the pictorial with an 84 Econoline
runnin an Offy intake and a 2bbl, might write him a letter, get his input on
all of it.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: 351M, got an answer
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:58:25 -0700

Now that's just silly... ;-)

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Payne" <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:26 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] 351M, got an answer


> Got an answer from Betties Wong of Ford Motor Company
> Historical.  This answer has been independently validated
> by Willie Foolem of Ford SVT and a follow up call to
> Marty Pants of the light truck division also confirms it.
>
> It seems that the M in 351M stands for Mystification.
> :-)




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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Engine
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:53:56 -0400


----- Original Message -----
From: wish <wish ford-trucks.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:12 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Engine


> >WELL wheres the BEER i have had them OUT and they BOTH say 360 on
> >them???????
>
> Both ?  You only had a 2 cylinder ?  Or this is from 2 different motors ?
> What year are we talkin ?
>
> Oh yeah, you gotta come get the beer as I hardly ever seem to get anywhere
out
> of here. ;)
=========================================================
BOTH MOTORS
V/8s


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From: "Dave Resch" <Dave.Resch sybase.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:07:54 -0600
Subject: Re: unusual truck configuration ?

>From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
>Subject: Re: unusual truck configuration ?
>
>>> Hold the phone. My (Henry's) dipstick goes in the
>>> front timing cover, not the side of the oil pan. Ford
>>> replaced the engine at about 6000 miles.
>>> ???????
>
>Consider yourselves lucky if you ever have to replace
>that dipstick and tube...the ones that go into the side
>of the oil pan are ridiculously expensive and I haven't
>found any aftermarket suppliers. Only the Ford
>dealers seem to have them for about $60 CDN.

Yo David:

Ford dealers in my locale want $20 for the side-mount tube (#E1TZ-6754-C) and
$12 for the dipstick (#E2UZ-6750-A).  There are also several Ford dealers in the
US that sells parts over the internet.  I'd bet there are one or two online
parts depts that'll sell 'em even cheaper than I can get 'em locally.  Even w/
shipping, I think you could beat $60 CDN buying from a US dealer.  Maybe the
tax/import duty is where they'd get ya??

If you want to, David, email me offline for some help.

As for John's and Tim-Pam's trucks, seems like Ford used the front-mounted
M-block dipstick (and front sump pan) on at least some 4x2 '77-'79 trucks.  I
don't know if all 4x2 trucks used this setup or not.  AFAIK, all '77-'79 4x4
M-block trucks used the rear sump pan and side-mount stick.

All '80-up trucks w/ M-blocks used the side-mount stick and rear sump pan
because of the frame crossmember under the engine (which is the same for both
4x2 and 4x4 '80-up trucks).

Dave R (M-block devotee)



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From: A61fordtruck aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:10:55 EDT
Subject: Toyota box is not for a 66!!

In a message dated 08/22/2000 9:31:37 AM EST, listar ford-trucks.com writes:

>
>  I want to convert to power steering, and maybe put in a tilt column. What
> would be the best column to swap in? What's the easiest way to get power
> steering into my truck? I will have my MIG welder soon so making a custom
> bracket or something won't be too big of a deal.
>
>  Bob's F100 parts sells a kit that converts a 66 to power steering using a
> late model Toyota steering box. It comes with all the brackets and
everything
> you need except the pump, and costs about $400. Is there an easier/cheaper
> option?


Hey,

Ford introduced a new generation of trucks in '65 with the twin I beam
suspension.  The Toyota box swap is for 64 and older trucks.  If your truck
has the twin I beam front end, then you can use components from any truck up
to 79.

If i was in your place, I try to buy a late 70's donor truck, then you can
swap the power steering box, as well as the collumn, power brakes and front
discs.

Ford offered tilt for that truck only in 78 and 79, and those collumns are
pricey when found.  I did manage to pick one up recently at a swap meet for
$15 however.
Even if you dont go with the tilt collumn, you'll have to either shorten your
stock one, or use one from a power steering truck, as they are 3-4 inches
shorter.

you can swap the front discs as well.  there is lots of talk of joining newer
spindles and roters to early i beams, and thats fine, but i just swapped the
complete front end from my 78 donor truck.

I also swapped the power brakes from said donor truck.  it was a bolt on,
except that i had to shorten the rod that connects to the petal, and rig a
brake light switch.  I did that by adding an adaptor in the brake line, and
used my old-style pressure activated switch that came stock on my 65.

these swaps are easy, and relatively straight forward, but be prepared for
some minor frabricating.

I am doing the toyota swap on my 61, which works great for straight axle
trucks, but not for twin I beams.  Ford already made that swap for us!

good swapping,

Greg Schnakenberg

61 Flareside ( I stand corrected!)
65 custom cab 460/C6
61 uni-bird (Future project prototype)

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: The story of  the "M"
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:13:02 -0400


>     I hope this clears up the confusion. It took a lot of time making
> this up. I felt someone had to, so why not let it be me. Got to admit
> that it sounds good, don't it! 8]
Deacon
> =============================================================
USUALLY fairy tails start with ONCE UPONA TIME or THIS AINT NO crap FOR LACK
OF A ACCEPTABLE WORD
Gordon


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:09:09 -0500
Subject: Re: electrical drain
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Here's a way to eliminate some possibilities. Disconnect the positive terminal
> of your battery and insert an ammeter like you can get at radio shack(analog
> works best). If the battery is actually being drained by something vs the
> battery just be defective, you should see a deflection on the needle. If you
> get that, then one at a time remove a fuse until it doesn't show any current
> flowing. The last fuse you removed should be a good clue to where to spend
your
> time looking. If after all fuses have been removed,and you still have drain,
> start looking at the charging side i.e. regulator, alternator, bad wire in the
> harness. Hope this helps.

The only problem with this technique is that several things that could be
the culprit don't run through the fuse box. :-( At least not on my truck.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:14:10 -0500
Subject: Re: 351M, got an answer
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Now that's just silly... ;-)
>> It seems that the M in 351M stands for Mystification.


I was thinking more of Muddy as in muddy waters. You can't see through it,
you can't drink it, and it will consume you if you fall in. ;-)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Stroker W's
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:27:21 -0700

Theres a guy on the early Bronco mailing list running an SEFI 423 CI Windsor
in his Bronco.  He is using a '69 351W block with a .030" overbore.  I'm not
sure what the dyno #'s are on it, but I've heard over 550 lb/ft under 2000
rpm. It runs low 14's in the 1/4 mile which isn't bad for a 5500 lb brick
shaped vehicle, IMO.
Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD

----- Original Message -----
From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:11 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Stroker W's


> >i saw just last spring in CAR CRAFT about ford motor sports making the
351
> >stroker kits i think they were about 1500.00 or so and could be bought
from
>
> >the regular ford dealers even
>
>
> has anyone else seen the Saleen S7 ?  Rumor is that 7Litre motor in there
is
> a 351W based motor!  Its bored to 4 1/8" and a 4" stroke on it.  Some of
the
> aluminum racing blocks will take that much bore and is probably what is
being
> used ...
>
> They claim a 7,000 rpm redline ... I can't imagine a motor like that
spinning
> that fast, that'd have to be one heck of a scream :)
>
> You can find it on Saleen's web-site, www.saleen.com
>
> If you could move the torque number a little farther down in the band (a
lot
> 4000) I think it would make a great truck motor :)
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish
>
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From: "Paul Johnson" <pauljohn nortelnetworks.com>
Subject: Brake lines
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:16:38 -0400


Hey,

I have a 68 Ford/Mercury Camper Special 250 and am in the process of
restoring the brakes to their 1968 glory.  I am having an issue with the
type of flaring used where it hooks into the wheel cylinders.  The
replacement wheel cylinders have fittings for a double flare type of
connection, ie-flares out then back in at the end.  The lines that are on
the truck have a single flare setup (flares out on the end like a trumpet),
as did the wheel cylinders I took off.  I have been told that this double
flare connection was just used on older vehicles.  So my question is, which
type of flaring was originally used on this year of truck?  And since I
don't want to have to replace the lines, can I use the wheel cylinders off
of a mid 70's Ford, as these appear to have the proper seat for the single
flare?

PJ




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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:20:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Stroker W's

In a message dated 8/22/00 9:18:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
derrar internetcds.com writes:

<< Theres a guy on the early Bronco mailing list running an SEFI 423 CI
Windsor
in his Bronco.  He is using a '69 351W block with a .030" overbore.  I'm not
sure what the dyno #'s are on it, but I've heard over 550 lb/ft under 2000
rpm. It runs low 14's in the 1/4 mile which isn't bad for a 5500 lb brick
shaped vehicle, IMO. >>


Did he get into Petersons 4 wheel magazine?  I remember readin sumthin about
that, lots of SVO stuff, Real nasty truck.  If they are indeed one in the
same, That really is one bad mamma jamma    .

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:17:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Wow
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> 1. 97up light duty
> 2. Super Duty and Diesel
>
> The new list has done really well.

Congratulations on the successful split. BTW, most folks still do a double
take when they see my ford-trucks e-mail address on my business card. One
guy even wanted me to get him a deal on an Excursion. Thanks, Ken.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:23:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Tweety's gettin parked
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Can we all have a moment of silence, Tweety deserves it I think.

Consider it done.

Ford just got another convert from the general. My mom told me over the
phone last night that she traded her Buick Century for a 99 Taurus. I guess
children do influence their parents after all. Down, back!! That was a
generic statement not intended to start a new war!! Please , no flames, it's
hot enough down here in Texas already. ;-)

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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