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61-79-list Digest Mon, 21 Aug 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 206

In This Issue:
Re: M's, C's and W's.
Re: Engine
Re: the 351 story continues
Re: Hood locks
Re: Electrical Drain
Oiling of FE
360/390
Wow
72 dash removal
Speaking of rust
Re: M's, C's and W's.
Re: Electrical Drain
Re: Electrical Drain
Power steering & possible column swap in my 66
Re: unusual truck configuration ?
Re: Power steering & possible column swap in my 66
Re: Power steering & possible column swap in my 66
Re: unusual truck configuration ?
Re: 360-390/Oil pressure loss
Re: Engine
352s vs 390s
Re: Stroker W's
Battery drain
351M Headers for '78 Bronco
Battery drain
Re: Stroker W's
Re: Engine
Re: Speaking of rust
Re: Engine
FE cam oiling

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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: M's, C's and W's.
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:00:51 -0400

I KNOW theres a few members on this list who live in and around detroit
michigan WHY dosent some one just call Ford Motor Co. and ask what it stands
for just to have it settled once and for all I AM SURE someone there knows
what it stands for or should
gordon


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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Engine
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:33:43 -0500


"The least you should do is pull the 390 apart, see if it has the good
rods.  With floating piston pins and football shaped rod bolt heads."

All 390's don't have those?

---Garrett www.1966ford.com



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 Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Engine


 At 11:10 AM 21:08:2000 EST, Dave Emerick wrote:

 >I've got a 390 out in the barn, but in questionable condition (it's not
 >apart).  This engine was originally in a car, and I bought it in non-running
 >condition.

 The least you should do is pull the 390 apart, see if it has the good
 rods.  With floating piston pins and football shaped rod bolt heads.

 >So you FE nuts, there's the question.....why not more 360's? Is power the
 >ONLY reason?

  All the power of a 352, with the economy of a 390...

 Steve & the Rockette
  68 F100, 390cid, FMX
  63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
  72 Capri 2000, hers
  73 Capri 2600, terminal cancer...
  73 MGB GT, Our Toy
  94 SHO, SWMBO's
  98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....




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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:58:31 -0400
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: the 351 story continues

>> against a steel frame piece.  The only nuisance in this is that
>> the drain plug sits right over the axle, so catching your used
>> oil might be a little bit of a challenge,

I have the same problem with my 302 (probably because it's out of a car,
not a truck). I found the easiest way to change the oil without it dripping
all over the axle is to cut a wedge out of the bottom of a plastic pop
bottle to make a custom-fit funnel that directs the oil away from the axle
and into the drain pan.


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:02:54 -0400
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Hood locks

>     The Dream Truck that I'm waiting for good weather to sandblast the
>frame, springs and all that stuff, has a factory hood lock in the Lariat
>donor cab. Thought it was a dumb idea till tonight. There the whining is
>over.

I just picked one up from the local scrapyard last week...and I saw another
truck that had one that I'm going to snag the next time I head out there. I
mostly got it just for the novelty of having it but there are practical
benefits to it. Given that I have brand new, 1000 amp battery under the
hood, I'd hate to have it take a hike on me...

It's shocking how LMC Truck wants $129.95 for a hood release handle and
cable (not even the latch included) and you can get it from the scrapyard
for $25 bucks along with a split bench seat (just for the novelty of having
it in a regular cab :-)  ) and sill plate (are we the only ones who can
never get those out of a truck in the scrapyard with only a screwdriver?
Really must bring a cordless drill with us next time...)


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:08:54 -0400
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Electrical Drain

>Voltage Regulator or hung brake light switch due to non-returning brake
>pedal or under hood light that doesn't turn off.....ever try to see if a
>refrigerator light goes out..........:-)

>>I have run into a problem, however-  my truck (71 f250
>>recently rebuilt 360, c6)
>>has a slow electrical drain such that if i dont run it
>>regularly (i.e. if it
>>sits for 5-7 days) the battery runs dead.  It is a brand new
>>battery.

Actually if it's the hung brakelight switch, the battery will be dead
within a day...trust me...I know...a couple of times over. :-)

...and it's also one of those items on my "this thing should have been
properly fixed a long time ago" list...


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Oiling of FE
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:03:10 -0500


Howard B. writes:  >>oil pump, to top gallery, oils cam bearings, then down to mains. I had
new cam bearings installed and they only have
oil holes pointing to the top, but I can't figure out how the mains get
oil.<<

Take one of the cam bearings out.  There is a depression(grove) behind it in the block
that circles the whole circumference of the bearing, allowing the oil to go around the outside
of the cam bearing to the hole going to the crank main.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: 360/390
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:14:52 -0500


OK guys/gals..  Here is the scoop on the 360 to 390..
Crank, rods, and pistons must be from a 390 and installed in the 360 in order for it to become a 390..
The bores are the same(4.050") and the 390 crank uses the same rod/main bearing journal sizes.
The general concensus is that a 390 will get as good mileage as a 360, and last just as long, so why
not go for the added torque and horsepower..I've owned at least two 360s, and they were so low in
the compression department that they were both gutless(a '74 and a '76).  I installed 428's in both..
One was a real 428 - the other one was a homemade 428.. I overbored several blocks to get the 4.130"
bore needed..  Only one made it without a sleeve and still had enough meat around the bore to be safe..

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: Seventy4SCab aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:31:09 EDT
Subject: Wow

There is a lot more going on over here than in the 48 - 60 list!

Glenn in TN
57 F100 -- in progress
74 F100 Supercab -- daily driver???? Hope he hasn't sold it!

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:45:13 -0400
From: Forest New <racer23 mindspring.com>
Subject: 72 dash removal

Hi everyone,  Its been a while since I posted anything.  I fondly have
knicknamed it "pulling an Azie" Smile!
Has anyone removed the dash from the cab of a 67-72.  Yes I know its welded
in on the sides but I'm not sure of the mounting at the windshield.  I'm
finally replacing the cab on my truck to repair some extremely bad cab
mounts. I prefer to transfer my whole dash since it is perfect but I don't
feel like breaking out the air chisel until I know for sure it will come
out OK.
Azie, I still plan on making it to your place one of these days but I'm
getting kind of spooked with all the rust falling off my truck.  My wife
says my truck is like the Dominoes pizza commercial where the electrical
cord is attached to the truck and when he gets to the end of the cord it
yanks the body off!  In the process of priming a new bed and cab so all my
woes should be over soon.

Forest New
racer23 mindspring.com

1972 Ranger XLT (390 C-6)
1969 Mach1 Mustang (351C C-6)
1967 Mustang coupe (351C C-4)




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From: Seventy4SCab aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:51:12 EDT
Subject: Speaking of rust

FTEers;

How much rust is too much -- especially on the frame? I have also looked at a
nonconforming vehicle (to FTE) that was originally from north of Chicago. It
was eat up with rust everywhere. The frame had big flakes trying to fall off.
The front suspension and engine surfaces! And he wants $3700! Did I mention
it was a convertible from 1972!?

Glenn in TN
57 F100 -- in progress
74 F100 Supercab -- daily driver????

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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer99 home.com>
Subject: Re: M's, C's and W's.
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:54:34 -0700

Are you trying to say you're not dazzled by my brilliance???

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 7:10 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: M's, C's and W's.


>
> Isnt it about time to start poppin rounds??????




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From: "Carver" <carver ncwebsurfer.com>
Subject: Re: Electrical Drain
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:02:24 -0700

Don't count out the battery. Mine had an internal short,
causing a slow drain.  Enormously frustrating.
Go to a GOOD shop to have the electrical stuff tested.
The average FLAPS only has the expertise and equipment
to tell you it's GOOD or BAD, without any real
diagnosis of WHY something is bad.  They just read
the instrument's output.

Jeff  '64 F100 CrewCab

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Electrical Drain
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:25:04 -0400

might want to replace the starter cellenoid. I had the same problem with my
garden tractor.  It was not kicking off the run position all the way  when
you turned the key off & it too would drain the battery. just something to
check out.
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From: Clare Waterman-Storer <waterman scripps.edu>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:36 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Electrical Drain


>Hi Guys-
>
>long time no speak... been real busy with the new job.
>
>I have run into a problem, however-  my truck (71 f250 recently rebuilt
360, c6)
>has a slow electrical drain such that if i dont run it regularly (i.e. if
it
>sits for 5-7 days) the battery runs dead.  It is a brand new battery.  I am
>wondering if you all might have some suggestions.  Since i got my 69
mustang
>fastback (built 302, toploader, 9" with 3.90's, etc) i dont drive the truck
as
>much as i used to, mostly for work around the property.
>
>thanks for any suggetstions
>
>Clare
>
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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Power steering & possible column swap in my 66
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:22:21 -0500


Well I have a huge project on my hands doing the body work on my 66.. so I thought what the heck, why don't I do some other large projects at the same time?

I want to convert to power steering, and maybe put in a tilt column. What would be the best column to swap in? What's the easiest way to get power steering into my truck? I will have my MIG welder soon so making a custom bracket or something won't be too big of a deal.

Bob's F100 parts sells a kit that converts a 66 to power steering using a late model Toyota steering box. It comes with all the brackets and everything you need except the pump, and costs about $400. Is there an easier/cheaper option?

I also want to eliminate the rag joint in the steering linkage and replace it with a u-joint of some sort while I am at it. Any advice?



           ---Garrett www.1966ford.com
           ...with pieces of my truck all over the place in the garage, and the box in the front yard


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: unusual truck configuration ?
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:31:48 -0400

I have a '78 F-150 with the 351 M  & it too has the dip stick that is in the
front.Mine has 57,000 original miles on it.
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Date: Monday, August 21, 2000 5:03 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] unusual truck configuration ?


>
>> Hold the phone. My (Henry's) dipstick goes in the
>> front timing cover, not the side of the oil pan. Ford
>> replaced the engine at about 6000 miles.
>> ???????
>
>Hey John, did you get Henry new ?
>All the repair manuals that I have seen for the
>78-79 trucks indicate that the "down the side"
>dipstick is the way Ford went for trucks. The
>parts places around here show that config for
>a truck, too.  I don't doubt that Ford did some
>pretty funny things outside what they published
>"officially", but it does ofttimes makes it hard to
>get the counter guys at the parts stores to get
>the right one.
>Other than the oil pan, pump pickup, and dipstick
>tube, internally a 351M is a 351M regardless of
>where it is destined to go.  The "truck" style pans
>were made to clear that "under the engine" frame
>piece (I know they are there ... got a '76 in my yard
>too :-P).  I like the setup that has the front frame
>cross piece located directly under where the fan is
>and no under the engine crosspiece, with just two
>little brackets to hold the engine ... a lot more
>flexibility in what you can put in with less effort that
>way.
>I'll have to take a closer look at the late 70's F-series
>to see if this is a common occurrence, and confirm
>whether or not there is a BIG omission in my repair
>manuals !
>
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From: EffieFrd aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:38:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Power steering & possible column swap in my 66

In a message dated 8/22/00 12:23:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
garrettnelson writeme.com writes:

<<   ---Garrett www.1966ford.com
            ...with pieces of my truck all over the place in the garage, and
the box in the front yard
 >>

you wanna talk about pieces everywhere, email me sometime.  my '65 has been
in 12,000 pieces for a couple years.  i'm just waiting for that large dead
limb to fall on the cab.  :o(

~Mel
Marietta, GA
1965 F100 Custom Cab...there really are 12,000 pieces, I counted them!
1989 Bronco XLT
G.R.I.T.S~Girls Raised In The SOUTH!
ICQ#84544993

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 05:11:54 -0700
From: Greg <greg gregster.com>
Subject: Re: Power steering & possible column swap in my 66



Go to a farm tractor/implement parts store. They should have u-joints and yokes to fit whatever shaft size you have.

Gregster
'77 F-250 Explorer 4x4

Garrett Nelson wrote:

>
> I also want to eliminate the rag joint in the steering linkage and replace it with a u-joint of some sort while I am at it. Any advice?
>
>             ---Garrett www.1966ford.com
>             ...with pieces of my truck all over the place in the garage, and the box in the front yard
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:01:49 -0400
From: David Wadson <wadsond air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: unusual truck configuration ?

>I have a '78 F-150 with the 351 M  & it too has the dip stick that is in the
>front.Mine has 57,000 original miles on it.
>>
>>> Hold the phone. My (Henry's) dipstick goes in the
>>> front timing cover, not the side of the oil pan. Ford
>>> replaced the engine at about 6000 miles.
>>> ???????

Consider yourselves lucky if you ever have to replace that dipstick and
tube...the ones that go into the side of the oil pan are ridiculously
expensive and I haven't found any aftermarket suppliers. Only the Ford
dealers seem to have them for about $60 CDN. I'm eventually going to be
breaking down to get one...if I rebuild that 351M once I get a garage, I'm
going to want to know exactly how much oil I have in the truck...


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 360-390/Oil pressure loss
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:04:42 -0400

I have good oil pressure but not as much as I had.
> Went from 25-30 at idle to 10-15.Engine still runs fine and makes no
> noise.
>  In the other FEs I have had 10-15 was the norm but...
>  I plan on tearing it down this winter,but in the mean time I gotta know
>                       What did I hurt?
> =============================================================
sounds like you might have hurt the main and rod bearings slightly but it
doesnt soo\und to bad tho these F/Es will run forever on that much oil
pressure at idle i have a friend who has a 427 built really radical and he
doesnt show much more at idle after a good HARD run for about 20 miles at
over 100 mph and his engine has been running that way for years now
just go ahead and run it ,it should be okay i think
gordon


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Engine
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:10:39 -0400

Gordon, here's a question for you, if you have the pistons out can you
> check
> >the casting in the side near the wrist pin hole, I've got a beer that
says
> you'll
> >find it to say 390 ... the pistons I pulled out of my 390 said 410 on
them
> -Ted
>
> =============================================================
WELL wheres the BEER i have had them OUT and they BOTH say 360 on
them???????
thats one of the first things i checked for when i had them apart thinking
MAYBE i had a 390 insyead of a 360
gordon


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: 352s vs 390s
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:23:56 -0400

All the power of a 352, with the economy of a 390...
>
> Steve & the Rockette
=============================================================
ive only had 1 352 but it was a 64 with the 300 h.p option it got just as
good fuel mileage as a 390 does i got 18 on a 600 mile trip every time and
17 going back and forth to work at 35 miles each way it was in a 64 XL 500 a
few times a raced a neighbors 63 XL 500 with a 390 and it was pretty much a
draw every time it seemed
so i guess its just a matter of prefference really of which you like better
really
gordon


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Stroker W's
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:36:50 -0400


> > Tell me who/where this Co is, please!!!
> >
> >
> > Azie Magnusson
> > Ardmore, Al.
> >
> > =============================================================
i saw just last spring in CAR CRAFT about ford motor sports making the 351
stroker kits i think they were about 1500.00 or so and could be bought from
the regular ford dealers even BUT they said there was one in CAL. that was
going to sell them for less than anyone else tho but cant recall who they
were now
gordon


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 05:33:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: m whit <broncoman85 excite.com>
Subject: Battery drain

I've had this pro. on 3 trucks every time, after I checked the battery, I
found that the relay for the heater was bad. The best way to check this is
to unhook the large orange wire under your dash just below the glove box.
Hope this helps.
Michael Whittington
77 F250 4X4 20 inches lift 800 horse 429 44 Boggers
75 F100 460
78 Bronco 11 inchs lift stock 351M (I call it modified)44 Gumbos
69 F100 302
85 Bronco 302






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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:40:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
Subject: 351M Headers for '78 Bronco

Hey gang,

Since I'm sure this question has been asked many times before I'll try to
keep it brief.  I'm getting to the point in my Bronco project where I'm
starting to finish things off and one of those big items left on the list
is the exhaust for "The beast."  When I bought this truck it had the stock
351M with factory exhaust manifolds, true dual exhaust (no cats) and glass
packs.  It sounded great.  At the time it had the stock 2bbl Motorcraft
carb.  Since then I put on the Edelbrock performer intake with Carter 4bbl
carb.  It definitely helped the power.

My question now is what would give me the best setup for this truck from
an exhaust perspective.  I was considering headers, true dual exhaust
(like before) and some sort of high-flow mufflers or maybe even glass
packs again.  I've been looking at the various header manufacturers and
the only direct listing for the '78 Bronco is two different ones from
Hedman.  Thorley, JBA, Sanderson, and Gibson don't list anything.  Am I
missing any manufacturers I should be looking at?  What do you all have
for headers on your '78-'79 Broncos with 351M/400 engines?  TIA!

Later,

Eric Finn
'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project still in Progress!)
'95 Mustang GT "Beauty"
'98 Honda Shadow 750 ACE
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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Battery drain
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:47:52 -0400

IF the battery is draining even when the ignition is OFF i would think its
gotta be something that has a hot supply to it all the time really and a
heater relay should not have a constant power supply to it all the time
i have been havbing this same problem with a mercury car for the past few
yeas and never have found the drian on it YET
gordon


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:48:50 -0500
Subject: Re: unusual truck configuration ?
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

>> Hold the phone. My (Henry's) dipstick goes in the
>> front timing cover, not the side of the oil pan. Ford
>> replaced the engine at about 6000 miles.
>> ???????
>
> Hey John, did you get Henry new ?

My uncle bought him new from Hammond Ford in Texas City near Houston. My
mother got him about 1987 and I snagged him about 1992. Something happened
at around 6000 or 7000 miles and they replaced the entire engine. I don't
know if that means long block or short block. I also don't know whether it
was warranty work or not. I also don't know for sure that I don't have a
400. I have a lot of giddy up for a choked 351. My hunch is that they put a
351 long block for a car in there.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:11:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Stroker W's

>i saw just last spring in CAR CRAFT about ford motor sports making the 351
>stroker kits i think they were about 1500.00 or so and could be bought from

>the regular ford dealers even


has anyone else seen the Saleen S7 ?  Rumor is that 7Litre motor in there is
a 351W based motor!  Its bored to 4 1/8" and a 4" stroke on it.  Some of the
aluminum racing blocks will take that much bore and is probably what is being
used ...

They claim a 7,000 rpm redline ... I can't imagine a motor like that spinning
that fast, that'd have to be one heck of a scream :)

You can find it on Saleen's web-site, www.saleen.com

If you could move the torque number a little farther down in the band (a lot
4000) I think it would make a great truck motor :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:12:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Engine

>WELL wheres the BEER i have had them OUT and they BOTH say 360 on
>them???????

Both ?  You only had a 2 cylinder ?  Or this is from 2 different motors ?
What year are we talkin ?

Oh yeah, you gotta come get the beer as I hardly ever seem to get anywhere out
of here. ;)

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:03:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Wow
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> There is a lot more going on over here than in the 48 - 60 list!
>
> Glenn in TN

Yup!! Always has been. We drive Ken crazy because we won't let him split us
up. Hi, Ken. :-)

-- John
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:15:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Speaking of rust

>How much rust is too much -- especially on the frame?

Depends on the vehicle and the frame ... 'vette's can take a heck of a lot of
rust on the frame as theirs are probably as thick as the ones on our trucks
... 'stangs and other unibodies have bigger issues with frame rust ...

>It
>was eat up with rust everywhere. The frame had big flakes trying to fall off.

>The front suspension and engine surfaces! And he wants $3700! Did I mention

>it was a convertible from 1972!?
>

Depending what convertible we're talking about it might be worth it, but like
I said, fi its a unibody look really close at the spring perches/mounts and
the floors/rockers, those are key for a solid car from up around here.

Flaking rust isn't always bad, but if its soft underneath, or if the flakes
are very thick, then you might have some serious issues.

Just my $.02
wish

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73ish 1/2ton 4x4   6.4L
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:11:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Electrical Drain
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>

> Don't count out the battery. Mine had an internal short,
> causing a slow drain.  Enormously frustrating.

Jeff's right. A good battery will increase in voltage if left on its own.
Remember the Diehard commercials where they drain the battery, then let it
sit, then start the car. That's no trick. Any good battery with good
connections should do the same. New batteries get clunked around. It is very
easy to break an internal connection by slamming a new battery down on the
battery tray the first time you install it. Don't rule out the battery
without some trouble shooting.

-- John
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1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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From: "wish" <wish ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:24:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Engine

>The 390 and 360 shared the same pin heights so in some cases the 390 pistons

>were used in 360's.  The tin can style piston is mainly found on older
>360's.  Later they went to the 390 and after that they started using the
>surplus 410's to decrease compression.
>

That doesn't sound quite right, if they did share a pin height, then the compression
ratio's would stay the same ... unless you're talking maybe height from the
crank centerline to the wrist pin ... but the compression heights are definitely
different ... a 360 piston in a 390 is bad news, a 390 piston in a 360 is low
compression ...

>The 352 and 360 share the crank and long rods (to me these are small and
>weak) the bore was the difference.
>

Pull them out and check their numbers, you never know what Ford was trying to
get rid of in some of those later model motors...

>The 360 and 390 share the piston.  The crank and rods are different.
>

I know this isn't true ... the crank and rods and pistons are all different
... the compression height for a 360 and 390 are quite a bit different, of course
I forgot my book to show the numbers :(

>Of course there are variations to all of the above.  Most of this I learned

>while stroking my 360 to a 410 (which is STILL on the bench.
>AAArrrrgggghhh)
>

Of course Ford couldn't standardize anything could they ?  Then there's the
running changes and the surplus at the end of their run that they were trying
to get rid of ...

I suppose another question begging to be asked is what are you considering early
and late ?  I've been considering most of the 70's stuff late, but thinking
about it, there's probably about 3 gen's of 390's, the pre 64 style, the 64-71/2,
and then the emissions fun of the 73-76 ...  The motor's I've worked with are
both 73/4 style (D4TE blocks with mirror 105's on them), so they are definitely
"late run" motors, one of them was even out of a 76, but is happy in my 73,
making it more ish than 73 :)



Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:32:08 -0700
From: Mark Flynn <markmtf earthlink.net>
Subject: FE cam oiling

>  oil pump, to top gallery, oils cam bearings, then down to mains. I had
>   new cam bearings installed and they only have
>    oil holes pointing to the top, but I can't figure out how the mains get
>   oil.
>

I had the same problem understanding this one, until I removed the cam
bearings. I wasn't getting any oil to the heads or mains.

Basically, there is a groove in the block that runs around the bore of
the the cam bearing area. Oil flows from the oil galley down to each cam
bearing, and runs along the groove which supplies oil to the bearing via
the bearing hole, and also to another oil passage which runs down to ....


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