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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)
FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re - Ballast Resistor?
FTE 61-79 - Columbus Swap Meet
FTE 61-79 - f600 restoration
FTE 61-79 - under hood decorating
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL
FTE 61-79 - Firewall insulation for '61 F100
Gas gauges, speedo, and such (WAS : Re: FTE 61-79 - Just a dumb girlie question LOL
: FTE 61-79 - paint questions?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Firewall insulation for '61 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO
FTE 61-79 - Re: Lisa's new plates
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL
FTE 61-79 - RE: Firewall Color
Re: FTE 61-79 - F600-370 distributor
Re: FTE 61-79 - F600-370 distributor
FTE 61-79 - '72 F100 For Sale
FTE 61-79 - Paint stripping Info
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL
FTE 61-79 - T98 tranny question
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Lisa's new plates

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:08:28 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski ford-trucks.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)

I don't know if someone posted this already. This was in "Cars & Parts"
magazine. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.springswap.com .
No work on the truck for awhile. That stone got stuck, had surgery
Wednesday to get it out. No luck. Had a tube inserted. I have to go to
Toledo to get it blasted with the sound waves. If any of you drink "brown"
pop, (Coke, Pepsi, Diet Coke & Pepsi), either cut down or stop. They
compare the pain of a stone to childbirth. I now have new respect for women
who have given birth! BTW, this was the first time I've ever been "put to
sleep". Do they sell Sodium Pentathol anywhere in six-packs ? : )

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
' 63 F-100
parts truck

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:05:02 -0600
From: "Eric Washburn" flash.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO

How can I physically tell the difference between a 302 and a 302 HO? I must
be the only one where my original fuel gauge works like it's suppose to :-)


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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:35:58 -0800
From: "Mike Sealey" <75.f150 angelfire.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re - Ballast Resistor?

(Still behind on some of my e-mail...)

On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:13:47 sparky wrote:

> Last summer my resistor wire burnt up, taking many other wires with it. So
>instead of installing a new one I totally removed it and replaced it with a
> 14awg wire. I then installed a ballast resistor under the hood on the
>fender well, figured it would get lots of cooling air there.
> The wire diagram I had called for 1.3 to 1.4 ohms of resistance wire. So I
>went to the local Autoparts store and got a resistor from a Ch ysler/Do%ge
>product that was about 1.4 ohms.
> It has worked great, if I remember correctly the voltage at the coil + was
>around 8 volts when running and the full battery voltage when starting.
> Let me know if you need more info, I might even be able to find the part
>number for the resistor if you want it.

Take it from a primarily M*P*r guy (pausing to duck), you should carry one of these around as a spare at all times. M*P*r ballast resistors do work great. They also eventually blow out without a lot of notice. Fortunately they are easy to replace.

Mike Sealey
'75 F-150 Ranger, 390/C6 ("Redneck Continental")


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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:00:22 -0500
From: j arnold ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Columbus Swap Meet

Somebody got the details dates, location, etc on this?

stoney

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:14:57 EST
From: RSrour aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - f600 restoration

anyone have any input on rust inhibitive primers? My local paint shop sells
Mar-Hyde rust converting primer. I searched the web and found info about
por-15 and one other (i forget the name)- a water borne converter- I don't
think por-15 refers to itself as a rust converting primer where-as the others
do. Here's my restoration plan (any comments would be appreciated): I will
most probably just touch up the frame and running gear on my '79 F600 after
steam cleaning. I have removed absolutley evrything from the cab (I hope I
remember how to put it all back). After steaming it I will just wet sand the
outside surfaces and then spray in and out w/ a red urethane 1 part (no
clear). I will also paint red the firewall, new fenders and doors. I will
then assemble running gear first then body. End result will be '79 F600 Dump
Truck w/ 370 ci w/ after market 4 bbl and manifold (I am considering
supercharger), 2 spd rr, pwr steering. Any comments on how to make a better
running/looking truck would be appreciated
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:41:38 -0800
From: "S.Harkema" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - under hood decorating

>The truck's exterior will be close to original - a seafoam greenish or >'mint' color. (It has grown on me to the point I actually like it!!!)
>Coordinating color will be the offwhite (I think it's called >wimbleton? by Ford).

I painted my 76 Whimbleton White.IMHO a perfect shade of white.It will
look sharp w/Seafoam green.

>painting the
>frame, undercab, and inner fenders with POR-15 semi-gloss black,
>after sandblasting.

Sounds like a good plan.

>What I would like to ask is what color should I paint the firewall?
>It is currently the mint color, but I'll need to strip it due to all
>the surface rust. I thought that the POR-15 semi-black would be
>cool and durable, but I thought the Y-block engine would look good in
>semi-black, too. Is a total underhood blacked-out on a mint
>outter-painted truck gonna look ok? I'm having trouble visualizing
>it at this point.

IMHOI It will be a black hole under the hood.Too much black.
If the truck were mine (and I wish it were,I would love to have a
uni-body) I would black semi-gloss the frame,core support, steering etc.
Gloss black the inner fenders.Under side of hood and the fire wall would
be either white or green.I'd lean towards white.(top of hood
white,bottom of hood to match).I would paint the block etc.either Ford
engine red or Ford engine blue,w/black semi-gloss accessories.
Nicely loom the wires,slap a nice cap and wires on it maybe a set of
chrome valve covers and you will be looking good.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:22:06 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL

In a message dated 01/23/2000 6:10:20 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
godsey51 prodigy.net writes:

<< Wouldn't it be easier to put gas in it when it gets to 1/4 tank? That way
you know you're safe. >>

Of course it would.......if only I wasn't broke half the time!!! Whenever I
pull into the gas station I just know the guys are thinkin "not her AGAIN!"
LOL I'm pullin dimes, pennies and lint outta my pockets scrapin enough money
together for a gallon LOL

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for girls!~*~*
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:03:32 +0000
From: "Eric" scican.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Firewall insulation for '61 F100

More questions about my '61 F100 Unibody....

What have you guys used to replace your firewall
insulation/kickboards? Originally, this is a contoured piece of
cardboard and insulation batting, but mine is all ripped and ratty.
I'm not necessarily looking for a concourse piece or replacement, but
I want it to look and wear well. Have you had any success with a
homemade fix or do you have a recommended supplier that I can
contact?
Thanks in advance,
Eric 'Stitch'
****************************************
*** "Happy Days" ***
* 1961 F100 Unibody w/ '59 292 Y-block *
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:39:15 -0800
From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Gas gauges, speedo, and such (WAS : Re: FTE 61-79 - Just a dumb girlie question LOL

Howdy Folks,
Trying to figure out where your gauge is really reading is only possible
by carrying an extra 5 gal. of gas, making sure your battery is up to the
task of a long start, having a spare inline fuel filter on hand to deal with
the possibility of rust intake from running the tank empty and sucking that
bottom layer of goo that old tanks seem to acquire. Pick a level stretch
that will allow the vehicle to run for a while and prepare to be amazed.
Sometimes these gauges are really out of whack and you'll travel for a
hundred miles before it stops and sometimes you'll stop before it gets to
the empty mark. That's about it. But even doing this won't eliminate the
pucker factor when running on empty on a rainy, cold night and you come to
the anticipated service station to find it closed.
Patsplace
> > > 78 F-150 W/Overloads
> > > 77 F-250 4X4
> > > 79 F-250 4X4 Dream Truck Under Way
> > > 72 F150 Ranger parts truck
> > > 79 F250 Lariat donor vech. for the '79 4X4







> Most old fuel gauges have their own individual quirks, so the best
> way to tell what the indicator really means is to experiment with it,
> get a new gauge, or never let it run low on gas


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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:53:16 -0800
From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: : FTE 61-79 - paint questions?

Hi Eric,
I've seen them done both ways, black looks neat but I personally like
the firewall to be the color of the body. Don't exactly know why, just like
it. As far as the rest of the accessory scheme, it can get kind of busy with
too much varied paint colors. Fortunatly, opinions are like noses, we all
have one. Don't know much about the POR-15. Will be watching the list for
info on it.
Patsplace
> > > 78 F-150 W/Overloads
> > > 77 F-250 4X4
> > > 79 F-250 4X4 Dream Truck Under Way
> > > 72 F150 Ranger parts truck
> > > 79 F250 Lariat donor vech. for the '79 4X4

Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:02:19 +0000
From: "Eric Kulig" scican.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - paint questions?

What I would like to ask is what color should I paint the firewall?
It is currently the mint color, but I'll need to strip it due to all
the surface rust.


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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:52:38 -0600
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Firewall insulation for '61 F100

Several People offer an ABS plastic firewall cover that will be very
durable. This part is
made by one company in California I believe.

Carolina Classics has them for 135 bucks. I did not see one offered
through Autoktafters
but that does not mean they do not sell them. I may have over looked it.
Carolina Classics #800-598-4211

Part number is C1TZ-8101670-P for a 61-64 truck.

Several companies offer plastic retaining clips for this part but I recomend
going with the steel retaining clips like factory ones.

Autokrafters sells them for $3.95 each. Part number is 48-7001670CLIP
800-228-7346


Stu
Nuke GM!

68 F-100 240 Inline-6 2x4
71 F-100 360FE 4x4

At 02:03 PM 1/23/00 +0000, you wrote:
>More questions about my '61 F100 Unibody....
>
>What have you guys used to replace your firewall
>insulation/kickboards? Originally, this is a contoured piece of
>cardboard and insulation batting, but mine is all ripped and ratty.
>I'm not necessarily looking for a concourse piece or replacement, but
>I want it to look and wear well. Have you had any success with a
>homemade fix or do you have a recommended supplier that I can
>contact?
>Thanks in advance,
>Eric 'Stitch'
>****************************************
>*** "Happy Days" ***
>* 1961 F100 Unibody w/ '59 292 Y-block *
>****************************************
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:55:49 -0500
From: "G.T. Herpich" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO

Eric Washburn wrote:

> How can I physically tell the difference between a 302 and a 302 HO?

Do you mean if it's out of the car? The only way to get one is in a Mustang or
the watered down version in the Explorer. The HO has tube headers, different
plenum and if it's missing those parts you can tell by the firing order. It
uses
the 351 firing order, 13726548, instead of 15426378. There's probably more
ways,
like casting numbers.

George

>
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:01:12 -0500
From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Lisa's new plates

Marv said:
> Lisa, see http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://plates.ca.gov/search/
> Unless you've already got it reserved, looks like it's gone.
> Sorry to be the bearer........

umm ... There is the possibility that I am senile, but isn't Lisa
in Texas ? What good is a California plate search (*.ca.gov)
to someone in Texas ?
:-)

It is a good idea, however ... check your local State's web
site to find out if they have such a lookup. Last I knew,
Pennsylvania didn't have a plate lookup, but since the DOT
seems to be starting a program to replace everyone's old
plates with their new design, maybe they will slowly collect
a database like that too.




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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:17:29 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL


> I read somewhere that if you measure the voltage at the
> back of the
> gauge (output of the sending unit) when it's full and when it's really
> empty, you can use those voltages (with a variable dc power supply) to
> setup your gauge to read properly. Unfortunately when I tried this on
> my 70 E-250 recently, the voltage readings fluctuate at both extremes.
> Watching the digital meter change as I took the readings, I think my
> range is 1.5 volts empty to 3.6 volts full. I'd like to know
> what it's
> supposed to be.
>
> I was trying to figure how to pose this question when I
> read these
> posts. I know the gauge is adjustable at both ends, but I would
> imagine that each sending unit would be different as well as give
> different voltages with different tanks (maybe my daughter didn't have
> as much to do with it as I thought).
>

The fluctuation you saw is normal for how that circuit (and all the dash
guages) operate. In order to reduce the amount of power dissipated through
the guages. There is an instrument voltage regulator (IVR) mounted to the
back of the instrumnent cluster. It's a silver box about the size of a 9
volt battery with the same connectors as a 9V battery. It is a mechanical
regulator that limits current flow through the guages by interrupting the
current on an intermittent basis. You might try measuring the voltage using
the AC side of your meter.

Tom H.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:16:09 -0800
From: Tim Bowman USWEST.NET>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Firewall Color

Eric:

I would think that the firewall would look best in the same color as the
body. Your freshly detailed engine would then have something to
contrast with. You'll already have a lot of black under the hood.
Just my humble opinion.

- --
Tim Bowman
71 F100
Burien, WA
tkbowmanuswest.net



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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:53:52 -0500
From: "G.T. Herpich" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F600-370 distributor

Your Ford dealer will have rebuilt distributors and a lot of times when you
open the box you find a brand new one. When they run out of cores they
substitute with new.

What engine family is the 370?

George

RSrouraol.com wrote:

> >hi- I've been a subscriber to this list for some time but haven't followed
> >the conversations much. I am currently undertaking a frame off restoration
> on
> >a '79 F600. Most of the running gear is in good shape. I paid through the
> >nose for fenders and doors. I am going to change the color from light blue
> to
> >red. I need a distributor w/ a tach drive (the factory tach is mechanical)
> >Does anybody know which distributors fit a 370?
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:38:55 -0600
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F600-370 distributor

385 series engine in Medium duty strength I am led to think.


Stu
Nuke GM!

68 F-100 240 inlne-6 2x4
71 F-100 360FE 4x4

>What engine family is the 370?
>
>George
>
>RSrouraol.com wrote:
>
>> >hi- I've been a subscriber to this list for some time but haven't followed
>> >the conversations much. I am currently undertaking a frame off restoration
>> on
>> >a '79 F600. Most of the running gear is in good shape. I paid through the
>> >nose for fenders and doors. I am going to change the color from light blue
>> to
>> >red. I need a distributor w/ a tach drive (the factory tach is mechanical)
>> >Does anybody know which distributors fit a 370?
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:28:13 PST
From: "Christopher Worley" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '72 F100 For Sale

I have a '72 F100 Custom Cab with a 3/4 suspension, 390, auto tranny, C6 I
think, need to sale just finished putting new headgaskets, oil pump, timming
set on it, needs a valve job. contact me off list if you are interested

cworley76hotmail.com



Chris
'67 F100
'72 F100
'93 Aerostar

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:26:28 -0800
From: "JOHN B. HELLDORFER" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Paint stripping Info

Here is a `Qualified` Paint stripper to call and ask questions..
I`ve had work done there. He will also `Prime` what he does!!
I think his `Tank Length is 20 ft, he has several. Industrial strength stuff
also!
They do not do Aluminum...


Nor Cal Metal Stripping
10010 Old Redwood Hwy
Windsor, Calif. 95492
1-800-698-9470
707-838-9470
.
__JOHN__տ
ICQ#6030753
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://clubs.excite.com/comm/area/pw/welcome/main.asp?cid=188005&auth=

http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1972_f250_2.html


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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:33:03 EST
From: WEDIVE247aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL

In a message dated 1/23/2000 1:10:20 AM EST, godsey51prodigy.net writes:

<< Wouldn't it be easier to put gas in it when it gets to 1/4 tank? That way
you know you're safe. >>
How about just have a gas can on hand....??
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:59:50 +0000
From: "Eric" scican.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T98 tranny question

And the fun continues..... I pulled my tranny this afternoon as part
of my frame-off of the '61 Unibody. Tip for the day:
Make sure your truck is jacked up (and safely supported) before you
drop the tranny, otherwise you'll have to lay it on it's side and
slide it out to clear the frame.... not that I'd know firsthand, mind
you, only what I've heard! ;-D

Anyways, it's the origianl '61(best I can tell) T98 4-speed. It
seems to work well, except for quite a bit of play in the long stick
shift.... it stays in gear fine, just seems pretty loose. Is this
normal or does it indicate excessive wear?

Also it has some leaks, which I'd like to seal up in order to paint
the casing. Can anyone offer any tips which would prove worth
performing/checking/replacing at this time while it's out on my
bench?

I'm thinking that I should minimally get a gasket kit for it (do I
get something like this from a local blister pack parts store,
or is it a mail order item)? As always, thanks for all of your
valuable inputs.

Eric (I can't believe I got a post written without any hojo terms!)
;-)

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*** "Happy Days" ***
* 1961 F100 Unibody w/ '59 292 Y-block *
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:46:21 -0800
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO

Firing order, if the wires are still there. 302HO engines use the 351W firing
order.
Jason

Eric Washburn wrote:

> How can I physically tell the difference between a 302 and a 302 HO? I must
> be the only one where my original fuel gauge works like it's suppose to :-)
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 23:48:45 EST
From: Bad4dFillyaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Lisa's new plates

In a message dated 01/23/2000 9:04:17 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
serianflashmail.com writes:

<< umm ... There is the possibility that I am senile, but isn't Lisa
in Texas ? What good is a California plate search (*.ca.gov)
to someone in Texas ? >>

You'd think so, huh? ~sigh~ I only wish cuz everythings bigger in Texas
hehehe! =P

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys....trucks are for girls!~*~*
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