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From: owner-61-79-list-digest  ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V4 #31 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Monday, January 24 2000 Volume 04 : Number 031 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: RE: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO Re: FTE 61-79 - Re - Ballast Resistor? FTE 61-79 - Columbus Swap Meet FTE 61-79 - f600 restoration FTE 61-79 - under hood decorating Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL FTE 61-79 - Firewall insulation for '61 F100 Gas gauges, speedo, and such (WAS : Re: FTE 61-79 - Just a dumb girlie question LOL : FTE 61-79 - paint questions? Re: FTE 61-79 - Firewall insulation for '61 F100 Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO FTE 61-79 - Re: Lisa's new plates RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL FTE 61-79 - RE: Firewall Color Re: FTE 61-79 - F600-370 distributor Re: FTE 61-79 - F600-370 distributor FTE 61-79 - '72 F100 For Sale FTE 61-79 - Paint stripping Info Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL FTE 61-79 - T98 tranny question Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Lisa's new plates ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:08:28 -0500 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) I don't know if someone posted this already. This was in "Cars & Parts" magazine. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.springswap.com . No work on the truck for awhile. That stone got stuck, had surgery Wednesday to get it out. No luck. Had a tube inserted. I have to go to Toledo to get it blasted with the sound waves. If any of you drink "brown" pop, (Coke, Pepsi, Diet Coke & Pepsi), either cut down or stop. They compare the pain of a stone to childbirth. I now have new respect for women who have given birth! BTW, this was the first time I've ever been "put to sleep". Do they sell Sodium Pentathol anywhere in six-packs ? : ) Ted Wnorowski Bellevue,OH ' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed ' 63 F-100 parts truck == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:05:02 -0600 From: "Eric Washburn" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO How can I physically tell the difference between a 302 and a 302 HO? I must be the only one where my original fuel gauge works like it's suppose to :-) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:35:58 -0800 From: "Mike Sealey" <75.f150 angelfire.com> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re - Ballast Resistor? (Still behind on some of my e-mail...) On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:13:47 sparky wrote: > Last summer my resistor wire burnt up, taking many other wires with it. So >instead of installing a new one I totally removed it and replaced it with a > 14awg wire. I then installed a ballast resistor under the hood on the >fender well, figured it would get lots of cooling air there. > The wire diagram I had called for 1.3 to 1.4 ohms of resistance wire. So I >went to the local Autoparts store and got a resistor from a Ch ysler/Do%ge >product that was about 1.4 ohms. > It has worked great, if I remember correctly the voltage at the coil + was >around 8 volts when running and the full battery voltage when starting. > Let me know if you need more info, I might even be able to find the part >number for the resistor if you want it. Take it from a primarily M*P*r guy (pausing to duck), you should carry one of these around as a spare at all times. M*P*r ballast resistors do work great. They also eventually blow out without a lot of notice. Fortunately they are easy to replace. Mike Sealey '75 F-150 Ranger, 390/C6 ("Redneck Continental") Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.angelfire.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:00:22 -0500 From: j arnold Subject: FTE 61-79 - Columbus Swap Meet Somebody got the details dates, location, etc on this? stoney == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:14:57 EST From: RSrour aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - f600 restoration anyone have any input on rust inhibitive primers? My local paint shop sells Mar-Hyde rust converting primer. I searched the web and found info about por-15 and one other (i forget the name)- a water borne converter- I don't think por-15 refers to itself as a rust converting primer where-as the others do. Here's my restoration plan (any comments would be appreciated): I will most probably just touch up the frame and running gear on my '79 F600 after steam cleaning. I have removed absolutley evrything from the cab (I hope I remember how to put it all back). After steaming it I will just wet sand the outside surfaces and then spray in and out w/ a red urethane 1 part (no clear). I will also paint red the firewall, new fenders and doors. I will then assemble running gear first then body. End result will be '79 F600 Dump Truck w/ 370 ci w/ after market 4 bbl and manifold (I am considering supercharger), 2 spd rr, pwr steering. Any comments on how to make a better running/looking truck would be appreciated == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:41:38 -0800 From: "S.Harkema" Subject: FTE 61-79 - under hood decorating >The truck's exterior will be close to original - a seafoam greenish or >'mint' color. (It has grown on me to the point I actually like it!!!) >Coordinating color will be the offwhite (I think it's called >wimbleton? by Ford). I painted my 76 Whimbleton White.IMHO a perfect shade of white.It will look sharp w/Seafoam green. >painting the >frame, undercab, and inner fenders with POR-15 semi-gloss black, >after sandblasting. Sounds like a good plan. >What I would like to ask is what color should I paint the firewall? >It is currently the mint color, but I'll need to strip it due to all >the surface rust. I thought that the POR-15 semi-black would be >cool and durable, but I thought the Y-block engine would look good in >semi-black, too. Is a total underhood blacked-out on a mint >outter-painted truck gonna look ok? I'm having trouble visualizing >it at this point. IMHOI It will be a black hole under the hood.Too much black. If the truck were mine (and I wish it were,I would love to have a uni-body) I would black semi-gloss the frame,core support, steering etc. Gloss black the inner fenders.Under side of hood and the fire wall would be either white or green.I'd lean towards white.(top of hood white,bottom of hood to match).I would paint the block etc.either Ford engine red or Ford engine blue,w/black semi-gloss accessories. Nicely loom the wires,slap a nice cap and wires on it maybe a set of chrome valve covers and you will be looking good. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:22:06 EST From: Bad4dFilly aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL In a message dated 01/23/2000 6:10:20 AM !!!First Boot!!!, godsey51 prodigy.net writes: << Wouldn't it be easier to put gas in it when it gets to 1/4 tank? That way you know you're safe. >> Of course it would.......if only I wasn't broke half the time!!! Whenever I pull into the gas station I just know the guys are thinkin "not her AGAIN!" LOL I'm pullin dimes, pennies and lint outta my pockets scrapin enough money together for a gallon LOL *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for girls!~*~* == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:03:32 +0000 From: "Eric" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Firewall insulation for '61 F100 More questions about my '61 F100 Unibody.... What have you guys used to replace your firewall insulation/kickboards? Originally, this is a contoured piece of cardboard and insulation batting, but mine is all ripped and ratty. I'm not necessarily looking for a concourse piece or replacement, but I want it to look and wear well. Have you had any success with a homemade fix or do you have a recommended supplier that I can contact? Thanks in advance, Eric 'Stitch' **************************************** *** "Happy Days" *** * 1961 F100 Unibody w/ '59 292 Y-block * **************************************** == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:39:15 -0800 From: "Pat" Subject: Gas gauges, speedo, and such (WAS : Re: FTE 61-79 - Just a dumb girlie question LOL Howdy Folks, Trying to figure out where your gauge is really reading is only possible by carrying an extra 5 gal. of gas, making sure your battery is up to the task of a long start, having a spare inline fuel filter on hand to deal with the possibility of rust intake from running the tank empty and sucking that bottom layer of goo that old tanks seem to acquire. Pick a level stretch that will allow the vehicle to run for a while and prepare to be amazed. Sometimes these gauges are really out of whack and you'll travel for a hundred miles before it stops and sometimes you'll stop before it gets to the empty mark. That's about it. But even doing this won't eliminate the pucker factor when running on empty on a rainy, cold night and you come to the anticipated service station to find it closed. Patsplace > > > 78 F-150 W/Overloads > > > 77 F-250 4X4 > > > 79 F-250 4X4 Dream Truck Under Way > > > 72 F150 Ranger parts truck > > > 79 F250 Lariat donor vech. for the '79 4X4 > Most old fuel gauges have their own individual quirks, so the best > way to tell what the indicator really means is to experiment with it, > get a new gauge, or never let it run low on gas == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:53:16 -0800 From: "Pat" Subject: : FTE 61-79 - paint questions? Hi Eric, I've seen them done both ways, black looks neat but I personally like the firewall to be the color of the body. Don't exactly know why, just like it. As far as the rest of the accessory scheme, it can get kind of busy with too much varied paint colors. Fortunatly, opinions are like noses, we all have one. Don't know much about the POR-15. Will be watching the list for info on it. Patsplace > > > 78 F-150 W/Overloads > > > 77 F-250 4X4 > > > 79 F-250 4X4 Dream Truck Under Way > > > 72 F150 Ranger parts truck > > > 79 F250 Lariat donor vech. for the '79 4X4 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:02:19 +0000 From: "Eric Kulig" Subject: FTE 61-79 - paint questions? What I would like to ask is what color should I paint the firewall? It is currently the mint color, but I'll need to strip it due to all the surface rust. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:52:38 -0600 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Firewall insulation for '61 F100 Several People offer an ABS plastic firewall cover that will be very durable. This part is made by one company in California I believe. Carolina Classics has them for 135 bucks. I did not see one offered through Autoktafters but that does not mean they do not sell them. I may have over looked it. Carolina Classics #800-598-4211 Part number is C1TZ-8101670-P for a 61-64 truck. Several companies offer plastic retaining clips for this part but I recomend going with the steel retaining clips like factory ones. Autokrafters sells them for $3.95 each. Part number is 48-7001670CLIP 800-228-7346 Stu Nuke GM! 68 F-100 240 Inline-6 2x4 71 F-100 360FE 4x4 At 02:03 PM 1/23/00 +0000, you wrote: >More questions about my '61 F100 Unibody.... > >What have you guys used to replace your firewall >insulation/kickboards? Originally, this is a contoured piece of >cardboard and insulation batting, but mine is all ripped and ratty. >I'm not necessarily looking for a concourse piece or replacement, but >I want it to look and wear well. Have you had any success with a >homemade fix or do you have a recommended supplier that I can >contact? >Thanks in advance, >Eric 'Stitch' >**************************************** >*** "Happy Days" *** >* 1961 F100 Unibody w/ '59 292 Y-block * >**************************************** >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:55:49 -0500 From: "G.T. Herpich" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO Eric Washburn wrote: > How can I physically tell the difference between a 302 and a 302 HO? Do you mean if it's out of the car? The only way to get one is in a Mustang or the watered down version in the Explorer. The HO has tube headers, different plenum and if it's missing those parts you can tell by the firing order. It uses the 351 firing order, 13726548, instead of 15426378. There's probably more ways, like casting numbers. George > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:01:12 -0500 From: "Serian" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Lisa's new plates Marv said: > Lisa, see http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://plates.ca.gov/search/ > Unless you've already got it reserved, looks like it's gone. > Sorry to be the bearer........ umm ... There is the possibility that I am senile, but isn't Lisa in Texas ? What good is a California plate search (*.ca.gov) to someone in Texas ? :-) It is a good idea, however ... check your local State's web site to find out if they have such a lookup. Last I knew, Pennsylvania didn't have a plate lookup, but since the DOT seems to be starting a program to replace everyone's old plates with their new design, maybe they will slowly collect a database like that too. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:17:29 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL > I read somewhere that if you measure the voltage at the > back of the > gauge (output of the sending unit) when it's full and when it's really > empty, you can use those voltages (with a variable dc power supply) to > setup your gauge to read properly. Unfortunately when I tried this on > my 70 E-250 recently, the voltage readings fluctuate at both extremes. > Watching the digital meter change as I took the readings, I think my > range is 1.5 volts empty to 3.6 volts full. I'd like to know > what it's > supposed to be. > > I was trying to figure how to pose this question when I > read these > posts. I know the gauge is adjustable at both ends, but I would > imagine that each sending unit would be different as well as give > different voltages with different tanks (maybe my daughter didn't have > as much to do with it as I thought). > The fluctuation you saw is normal for how that circuit (and all the dash guages) operate. In order to reduce the amount of power dissipated through the guages. There is an instrument voltage regulator (IVR) mounted to the back of the instrumnent cluster. It's a silver box about the size of a 9 volt battery with the same connectors as a 9V battery. It is a mechanical regulator that limits current flow through the guages by interrupting the current on an intermittent basis. You might try measuring the voltage using the AC side of your meter. Tom H. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:16:09 -0800 From: Tim Bowman Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Firewall Color Eric: I would think that the firewall would look best in the same color as the body. Your freshly detailed engine would then have something to contrast with. You'll already have a lot of black under the hood. Just my humble opinion. - -- Tim Bowman 71 F100 Burien, WA tkbowman uswest.net== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:53:52 -0500 From: "G.T. Herpich" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F600-370 distributor Your Ford dealer will have rebuilt distributors and a lot of times when you open the box you find a brand new one. When they run out of cores they substitute with new. What engine family is the 370? George RSrour aol.com wrote:> >hi- I've been a subscriber to this list for some time but haven't followed > >the conversations much. I am currently undertaking a frame off restoration > on > >a '79 F600. Most of the running gear is in good shape. I paid through the > >nose for fenders and doors. I am going to change the color from light blue > to > >red. I need a distributor w/ a tach drive (the factory tach is mechanical) > >Does anybody know which distributors fit a 370? > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:38:55 -0600 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F600-370 distributor 385 series engine in Medium duty strength I am led to think. Stu Nuke GM! 68 F-100 240 inlne-6 2x4 71 F-100 360FE 4x4 >What engine family is the 370? > >George > >RSrour aol.com wrote:> >> >hi- I've been a subscriber to this list for some time but haven't followed >> >the conversations much. I am currently undertaking a frame off restoration >> on >> >a '79 F600. Most of the running gear is in good shape. I paid through the >> >nose for fenders and doors. I am going to change the color from light blue >> to >> >red. I need a distributor w/ a tach drive (the factory tach is mechanical) >> >Does anybody know which distributors fit a 370? >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:28:13 PST From: "Christopher Worley" Subject: FTE 61-79 - '72 F100 For Sale I have a '72 F100 Custom Cab with a 3/4 suspension, 390, auto tranny, C6 I think, need to sale just finished putting new headgaskets, oil pump, timming set on it, needs a valve job. contact me off list if you are interested cworley76 hotmail.comChris '67 F100 '72 F100 '93 Aerostar ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:26:28 -0800 From: "JOHN B. HELLDORFER" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Paint stripping Info Here is a `Qualified` Paint stripper to call and ask questions.. I`ve had work done there. He will also `Prime` what he does!! I think his `Tank Length is 20 ft, he has several. Industrial strength stuff also! They do not do Aluminum... Nor Cal Metal Stripping 10010 Old Redwood Hwy Windsor, Calif. 95492 1-800-698-9470 707-838-9470 . __JOHN__Õ¿ö ICQ#6030753 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://clubs.excite.com/comm/area/pw/welcome/main.asp?cid=188005&auth= http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1972_f250_2.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:33:03 EST From: WEDIVE247 aol.comSubject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Just a dumb girlie question LOL In a message dated 1/23/2000 1:10:20 AM EST, godsey51 prodigy.net writes:<< Wouldn't it be easier to put gas in it when it gets to 1/4 tank? That way you know you're safe. >> How about just have a gas can on hand....?? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:59:50 +0000 From: "Eric" Subject: FTE 61-79 - T98 tranny question And the fun continues..... I pulled my tranny this afternoon as part of my frame-off of the '61 Unibody. Tip for the day: Make sure your truck is jacked up (and safely supported) before you drop the tranny, otherwise you'll have to lay it on it's side and slide it out to clear the frame.... not that I'd know firsthand, mind you, only what I've heard! ;-D Anyways, it's the origianl '61(best I can tell) T98 4-speed. It seems to work well, except for quite a bit of play in the long stick shift.... it stays in gear fine, just seems pretty loose. Is this normal or does it indicate excessive wear? Also it has some leaks, which I'd like to seal up in order to paint the casing. Can anyone offer any tips which would prove worth performing/checking/replacing at this time while it's out on my bench? I'm thinking that I should minimally get a gasket kit for it (do I get something like this from a local blister pack parts store, or is it a mail order item)? As always, thanks for all of your valuable inputs. Eric (I can't believe I got a post written without any hojo terms!) ;-) **************************************** *** "Happy Days" *** * 1961 F100 Unibody w/ '59 292 Y-block * **************************************** == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:46:21 -0800 From: Jason Derra Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 and 302 HO Firing order, if the wires are still there. 302HO engines use the 351W firing order. Jason Eric Washburn wrote: > How can I physically tell the difference between a 302 and a 302 HO? I must > be the only one where my original fuel gauge works like it's suppose to :-) > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 23:48:45 EST From: Bad4dFilly aol.comSubject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Lisa's new plates In a message dated 01/23/2000 9:04:17 PM !!!First Boot!!!, serian flashmail.com writes:<< umm ... There is the possibility that I am senile, but isn't Lisa in Texas ? What good is a California plate search (*.ca.gov) to someone in Texas ? >> You'd think so, huh? ~sigh~ I only wish cuz everythings bigger in Texas hehehe! =P *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~Silly boys....trucks are for girls!~*~* == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list-digest V4 #31 ******************************* +----- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 though 1979 Trucks And Vans -----+ | Send posts to 61-79-list ford-trucks.com, || List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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