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From: owner-61-79-list-digest  ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V4 #27 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Friday, January 21 2000 Volume 04 : Number 027 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - Howdy from a new guy RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install.... FTE 61-79 - Status of list RE: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) RE: FTE 61-79 - Status of list RE: FTE 61-79 - Status of list Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual FTE 61-79 - found: 62 unibody parts Re: FTE 61-79 - Howdy from a new guy RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines Re: FTE 61-79 - Good deal in Central Cali RE: FTE 61-79 - Good deal in Central Cali FTE 61-79 - stainless braided brake lines FTE 61-79 - 69 F100 shift collar FTE 61-79 - ss brake lines Re: FTE 61-79 - Howdy from a new guy FTE 61-79 - Re: Good deal in Central Cali FTE 61-79 - Stone FTE 61-79 - paint FTE 61-79 - Brake Lines FTE 61-79 - Shop Manuals FTE 61-79 - Windsheild/Door Gap FTE 61-79 - Springs Re: FTE 61-79 - Shop Manuals FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Good deal in Central Cali Re: FTE 61-79 - Howdy from a new guy Re: FTE 61-79 - Howdy from a new guy FTE 61-79 - horn button FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: LISTS AND WEB SITE WILL GO DOWN! FTE 61-79 - RE: Water Pump for a '64 F-100 292 FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap FTE 61-79 - radius arm bushings Re: FTE 61-79 - radius arm bushings ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 03:30:47 -0800 From: Jason Derra Subject: FTE 61-79 - Howdy from a new guy Hi everybody, Just wanted to introduce myself as I recently signed up. I have a '77 F150 4WD (pretty much stock) and a '69 Bronco (built for wheelin') among other old Fords. I am looking forward to visiting with all of you and maybe expanding my knowledge a little (or a lot). Jason == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 06:40:42 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines Well, I can't answer the hot/cold issue with stainless but I can say that this same material has been used on air craft for over 30 years with great success. As to the balooning business, I haven't seen any evidence that it makes a whit of difference over a "new" OEM line but the potential is certainly there. The so called "rubber" OEM lines are also shielded with steel webbing but it is inside the rubber, not visible but still there. AFAIK it is not stainless though. I have all the latest junk on the bronco and all OEM stuff on the Pickup and believe me I would much rather try to stop the truck than the bronco....... What I am saying is that if you need new lines then the stainless are a cool replacement but don't replace them thinking you will get a better pedal. Mine have been on for 2 years and there are no signs of any deterioration and I didn't expect to see any based on my experience with aircraft lines. IMNSHO they are an equal replacement and cool to look at but not of any special advantage mechanically and if you are not carefull to get dot approved lines you risk a bad crimp which can be disastrous so pay attention to the details when searching for a set. I got mine from Earl's and SuperLift (well some lift that starts with an "S") You can buy pre-bent stainless steel hard lines from Classic Tubing I believe it is and another one I can't recall but these are flared on a machine which maintains the integrity of the metal during the flare process. If you want to make your own you are much better off using aluminized mild steel line form what I've been told and read about it. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- >I think the mags are referring to stainless steel BRAIDED >brake lines. They >replace the flexible rubber lines at each front wheel and one >for the back >axle. The advantage to them is they don't balloon under >pressure so all the == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:20:04 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install.... I understand what you are saying but you are preventing one leak and causing another this way. Depending on the car it can be very difficult to replace an oil pan gasket in the car. I've done quite a few that way myself. I guess it would depend on what really bugs you which one you will be concerned about. Like I said though, if you don't loosen the pan or use a pry bar to offset the pressure (and this is strictly guessing) when you tighten the bolts on the cover the front seal will not be centered and will fail sooner than it should and sometimes this can be very soon. When that happens you get to do it all over again. A little more work now means a lot less later usually. The point we are making here is that "if" you can, you should do it the way we suggested and if you don't then be prepared for problems later. The front seal is probably the hardest working seal in the engine. Anything you can do to help it along will be of significant benefit. Ok, here comes the rear seal arguments.............and then theres the top ring in the cylinder and then........Give me a break here Ok? One of the reasons, in the past, that I only glued one side of a gasket is so I can remove it without damaging it later if necessary but from the factory they usually glue everything to avoid warantees. I will probably start gluing both sides now due to too many problems with leaks when I don't and just hope I don't get into removing any in the vehicle :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- > You're forgetting the fact that he's replacing the timing chain >and gears while the engine is in the car. The last thing you want >to do is mess about with an oil pan gasket while the engine is in >the car/truck. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:44:27 -0600 From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Status of list hey guys, Is the list still working, I haven't received any mail today???? Can't start the day without the list. Paul 65f100 460 C6 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:45:10 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) Dan, can you tell me what streets the fairgrounds are on? Trying to find it on a map :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- >Hello! To all of you interested in attending this years >Columbus Spring >Swap the dates are April 1st & 2nd (Saturday & Sunday). This is an all >Ford Swap Meet and probably the 2nd largest in the country. It >is held in 4 >different buildings at the Columbus Fairgrounds and also == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:47:04 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Status of list Well, I'm receiving my own mail but since I'm the only one awake this early (08:47 am) that's all I expect right now :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- >hey guys, >Is the list still working, I haven't received any mail >today???? Can't start >the day without the list. > >Paul >65f100 460 C6 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 05:50:16 -0800 From: "Mike Pacheco" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Status of list Everyone must be sleeping.. its working Mike in Burien - -----Original Message----- From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 5:44 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Status of list hey guys, Is the list still working, I haven't received any mail today???? Can't start the day without the list. Paul 65f100 460 C6 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:06:17 -0700 From: "Michael White" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual > IMHO you should shop around for the best price on a factory shop > manual and buy it. Nothing else comes close and it will only appreciate > in value. > > George H ............. As an owner of Haynes, Chilton,Clymer (for motorcycles), official Honda (for motorcycles), and official Ford manuals, I'd agree with George. The exploded views in the official manuals are much easier to see, and contain part numbers which make the job much easier. Michael == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:21:00 EST From: A61fordtruck aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - found: 62 unibody parts HI everybody, I found in my searches a 62 unibody in a wrecking yard. As far as I could see, it had a good right door with a small crease in the corner, and a restorable tailgate. call them direct at 713 849 2799. its in Houston, tx. Greg Schnakenberg == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 06:26:34 -0800 From: "Deacon" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Howdy from a new guy From: "Jason Derra" > Just wanted to introduce myself as I recently signed up. Welcome to the list! >I have a '77 F150 4WD (pretty much stock) Doesn't need to be much more. :) What size engine you runnin'? > and a '69 Bronco (built for wheelin') One of my "could kick myself in the butt for sellin' it" vehicles. Mine had a 302, 3 speed manual trans that I moved from the tree to the floor. When I got rid of it, it needed a lot of work and at the time people preferred the new style Broncos so they weren't worth much. Now I find them in the truck trader for more than I paid for it. Just my luck. :[ > I am looking forward to visiting with all of you > and maybe expanding my knowledge a little (or a lot). Same here! You can count on learning a lot here, no matter what your background. There are many knowledgeable people here (I'm not one of them) and everyone's input is welcome. Later! Deacon deconblu ford-trucks.com deconblu earthlink.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:52:44 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines > Well, I can't answer the hot/cold issue with stainless but I can say that > this same material has been used on air craft for over 30 years with great > success. The big difference here is a "pre flight check" on every air-craft before it leaves the ground ... while its a good idea in a car/truck as well, lets face it, very few people actually do this ... this means any cracks in the lines will be detected where as people are more likely to ignore the brake lines on their car as they are hard to see ... heck when my rubber one cracked the only reason I noticed it was 'cause I parked with the wheels turned one day and happened to look at it, as a result my life was saved ... well okay I caught it before it ruptured which meant I didn't have any brake failures 'cause of that.... The hot/cold thing is something steel does and I can't remember if stainless is as affected by it or not, but frankly stainless is a new metal and we're still learning stuff about it on the MSE side of things (Material Science) > As to the balooning business, I haven't seen any > evidence that it > makes a whit of difference over a "new" OEM line but the potential is > certainly there. This really only appears under very hard braking and such, normally seen on race tracks ... not a big difference for most drivers, but some of us push a bit harder than others ... also the amount of "boost" you get from your assisst might make a difference as well ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 06:56:12 -0800 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Good deal in Central Cali Thanks for your message at 05:39 PM 1/19/00 -0800, Douglas Johnson. Your message was: >Just talked to a buddy stationed here in Lemoore, has a 66 200 cid I6 with >C4, complete from a running Mustang with radiator and good motor mounts. >I've worked on it before, don't recall the mileage, but it's strong and >doesn't smoke. He lives in Bakersfield and will let it all go for $250.00, >even local delivery. E-mail me off list if you're interested. Are you sure it is a C4 ? I could be wrong (it wouldn't be the first time), but I thought that car came with a two-speed Ford-O-Matic...or was Henry putting the C4 in 1966 Mustangs? Now I've gotta know...Anybody? That engine/tranny combo would go better into my Falcon than in any Ford truck... Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (Cadillac 500) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:11:49 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Good deal in Central Cali > Are you sure it is a C4 ? I could be wrong (it wouldn't be the first > time), but I thought that car came with a two-speed Ford-O-Matic...or was > Henry putting the C4 in 1966 Mustangs? Now I've gotta know...Anybody? > As far as I know the 'stangs after the very first ones never came with a 2spd tranny ... and even then I'm not sure they ever did, though I have a hunch there's a 64.5 out there with one ... just a hunch though ... and now that I think about it a buddy has a 66 6cyl with a 3spd auto, so the C4 must've been it ... > That engine/tranny combo would go better into my Falcon than in any Ford > truck... > The only exceptions might be the Rancheros, but that was my first thought too, that the motor is a bit small for most full size trucks ... though it would work if you weren't in any hurry or hauling anything ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:56:29 -0500 From: "Redden" Subject: FTE 61-79 - stainless braided brake lines put them on one of my bikes recently and have them on my F250 luv em mike == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:02:12 -0500 From: John Peck Subject: FTE 61-79 - 69 F100 shift collar The three speed shift collar finally gave out. Cracked apart at the shift knob pin. Ordered replacement from Autokrafters. Question : Is the shift tube supposed to be tight in the collar or loose. Mine is tight. Being the first time I have taken one apart I have no past reference. Also, in the tube is a spring and a tapered doohickey that slides on the steering shaft. Does the spring go first or the tapered doohickey and what does it do? I noticed that the end of the shift tube is slightly tapered. Any help in getting this reassembled will be appreciated. TIA JP == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:01:46 -0500 From: "Redden" Subject: FTE 61-79 - ss brake lines sorry, forgot to mention; Russell makes the DOT approved lines, you can get em mail order (Jegs, Summit) or thru the local auto parts stores. Russell website: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.russellperformance.com/ mike == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:31:28 EST From: Bad4dFilly aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Howdy from a new guy In a message dated 01/20/2000 2:57:02 PM !!!First Boot!!!, deconblu ford-trucks.com writes: < < I have a '77 F150 4WD (pretty much stock) > > Hey there new guy! *tippin my Stetson* Ya tryin to copy my truck or what? LOL J/K What color is it and what engine do ya have? Mine is dark green and I have a 400. *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~SIlly boys....trucks are for girls!!~*~* == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:34:19 -0800 From: djohnson lem10.med.navy.mil (Douglas Johnson) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Good deal in Central Cali > 66 200 cid I6 with C4, complete from a running Mustang Ok y'all, is there much diference between a 170 I6 and a 200? Jerry from Delano is interested, but I just don't know enough about the old I6s to say if a Mustang motor will readily bolt into an 65 Econoline. Anyone remember? Azzie? Doug Johnson 64 F100, 360,C6,Dana 60 Lemoore, CA == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:54:10 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stone Ted W. writes: >> Shortly thereafter I had the wonderful : ) experience of starting to pass a kidney stone !!!!!<< God Bless. BTDT. Definately no fun. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:00:27 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - paint Gary writes: >> Faded paint is not an issue with me personally but may tend to take the price down as well with other buyers.<< I'd rather have an original faded paint job than a newly painted one. You know for sure they aren't trying to cover anything up that way. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:39:08 -0500 From: "Gary L. Perry" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake Lines I was wondering WHY anyone would put so much fuss into painting brake lines. Maybe a show-truck, but not a daily driver. I think the new lines look sharp against a black painted frame, looks mechanical, man-like. I've always felt lines just have to be replaced once-in-awhile. Generally, I never keep a vehicle over 2 yrs. and everything I've done to it lasts quite awhile.Always fixin' em up for the "next guy". Biggest problem is finding right lengths or usable lengths. Stores think everyone needs 12", 20",30" etc...... never understood why they have a 51" odd one. Tying them to frame is most important part, to prevent vibration and cracking. "G" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:54:27 -0500 From: "Gary L. Perry" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shop Manuals IMHO, chilton's manuals skip over a lot of important info and give lots of unimportant stuff. Hayne's mans. are better, not much. Auto-zone and Advance Auto carry those. Original type Ford manuals have lots of info, yet are $$$$. Even reprints are good and cheaper, yet some don't want them either, for reasons I don't understand. I have bought many from Faxon Auto Literature 800-458-2734 and been happy with them. The older (50's) books are real detailed and have body info also, which newer ones don't. On-line is Loyde's (spelling) Auto Literature and others. Type "Shop Manuals" in search box and explore. Most original type ford are one-year specific and it's best to get one for your model/body style as not lots of changes till next body change "G" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:05:08 -0500 From: "Gary L. Perry" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Windsheild/Door Gap I'm thinking there is something very wrong with installation of the leaking window being discussed. Either metal wasn't clean or body is bent. Suprised someone didn't think to say to check body-sag caused by rusted front cab mounts. It's a common Ford truck problem and would make door out of whack, too! I'ld check cab orientation first. Also, older shop manuals (50's) show how to align doors by using big rubber hammers, and slamming door on it in different places (including upper window area) or center to pull window in. And, putting a bar in hinge area and forcing door closed to change way it hangs, etc. We do this to New trucks in plant, beleive it or not! I flipped when I saw that, and then read about it in my "antique" shop manual. 'Nuff said! "G" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:13:51 -0500 From: "Gary L. Perry" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Springs Whenever I've had springs to replace (leaf), I've just gone to a local spring shop in my area. They can order, make, modify any spring and have/get bushings and pins, u-bolts, etc. They are usually MUCH cheaper than any mail-order place I have catalogues for, plus NO shipping. And can talk to a real person. I beleive they have coil springs too. Sometimes NAPA will surprise me with what they have available and a good price, specially for older vehicles. 'Nuff said! "G" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:18:47 -0600 From: "Freewheel" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shop Manuals I have found every factory/dealership manual including wiring diagrams that I have ever needed )and then some) on Ebay for very reasonable prices, you just need to watch the postings and use their search tool to find them. Larry ICQ# 3156803 Stephen Hawking: "The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong." - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary L. Perry" To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 1:54 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shop Manuals > IMHO, chilton's manuals skip over a lot of important info and give lots > of unimportant stuff. Hayne's mans. are better, not much. Auto-zone > and Advance Auto carry those. Original type Ford manuals have lots > of info, yet are $$$$. Even reprints are good and cheaper, yet some > don't want them either, for reasons I don't understand. I have bought > many from Faxon Auto Literature 800-458-2734 and been happy > with them. The older (50's) books are real detailed and have body > info also, which newer ones don't. On-line is Loyde's (spelling) Auto > Literature and others. Type "Shop Manuals" in search box and > explore. Most original type ford are one-year specific and it's best > to get one for your model/body style as not lots of changes till next > body change > "G" > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:24:09 -0800 From: "Pat" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual Hi Rob, Some folks have suggested Ebay for a manual. I bought one complete set of '79 Ford Light Truck Manuals for about $65 and a single '79 Ford LT manual (Part of the other set) for $6 Canadian. You just have to keep trying and you'll find the manuals under misc., automotive or books. Try'em all. Patsplace > > > 78 F-150 W/Overloads > > > 77 F-250 4X4 > > > 79 F-250 4X4 Dream Truck Under Way > > > 72 F150 Ranger parts truck > > > 79 F250 Lariat donor vech. for the '79 4X4 - -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Gunter [mailto:rjgunter icnpharm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 2:50 PM > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com; 4x4van onelist.com > Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual > > Greetings all, > > I would like to buy the Ford Shop manual for my Van. Problem is, the usual > vendor wants too much. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:35:43 -0500 From: "G.T. Herpich" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Good deal in Central Cali The two are identical except for bore and stroke. The 250 is very close but uses the small block V8 bell housing pattern and bigger clutch. The 144 looks the same but has only four main bearings to the others seven. Anyway, that 200 is a practically indestructible engine. I had a lot of trouble selling the one out of my '79 Capri because anybody who had a car that still used one ever had any problems with it. There's even a bunch of speed equipment available for it. George H Douglas Johnson wrote: > > 66 200 cid I6 with C4, complete from a running Mustang > Ok y'all, is there much diference between a 170 I6 and a 200? Jerry from > Delano is interested, but I just don't know enough about the old I6s to say > if a Mustang motor will readily bolt into an 65 Econoline. Anyone remember? > Azzie? > > Doug Johnson > 64 F100, 360,C6,Dana 60 > Lemoore, CA > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:12:31 -0800 From: Jason Derra Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Howdy from a new guy Mine is a 351M, with original black paint from the cowl back, and epoxy primer (still black) at the front. I started my "restoration" early by an encounter with a telephone pole Its an interesting story, although no alcohol or car chases with any cops were involved. OOPS, at least the front sheetmetal is straight and ready for paint. hehe Nice to meet you, Jason Bad4dFilly aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/20/2000 2:57:02 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > deconblu ford-trucks.com writes: > > < < I have a '77 F150 4WD (pretty much stock) > > > > Hey there new guy! *tippin my Stetson* Ya tryin to copy my truck or what? LOL > J/K What color is it and what engine do ya have? Mine is dark green and I > have a 400. > > *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* > *~*~SIlly boys....trucks are for girls!!~*~* > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:05:55 -0800 From: Jason Derra Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Howdy from a new guy The '77 is a one owner (before me) Ranger with a 351M, 4 speed. Runs good, but is kind of a dog. I have a 429 to put in it when time and money permit for more pulling power. The '69 has a 302 (soon to be a EFI 351W), 4 speed, Detroit Locker rear, Dana 44 front with C#$%Y disc brakes, and 35" tires etc. I also bought this one from the original owner as a bone stock, uncut Bronco. Nice to meet you, Jason Deacon wrote: > From: "Jason Derra" > > Just wanted to introduce myself as I recently signed up. > > Welcome to the list! > > >I have a '77 F150 4WD (pretty much stock) > > Doesn't need to be much more. :) What size engine you runnin'? > > > and a '69 Bronco (built for wheelin') > > One of my "could kick myself in the butt for sellin' it" vehicles. Mine > had a 302, 3 speed manual trans that I moved from the tree to the floor. > When I got rid of it, it needed a lot of work and at the time people > preferred the new style Broncos so they weren't worth much. Now I find > them in the truck trader for more than I paid for it. Just my luck. :[ > > > I am looking forward to visiting with all of you > > and maybe expanding my knowledge a little (or a lot). > > Same here! You can count on learning a lot here, no matter what your > background. There are many knowledgeable people here (I'm not one of > them) and everyone's input is welcome. > > Later! > > Deacon > > deconblu ford-trucks.com > deconblu earthlink.net > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/ > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:02:27 -0600 From: michael iar.net Subject: FTE 61-79 - horn button Hi! yall! My name is Michael McDonald and am 17 years old. I have been a subscriber to this list since mid-dec. I am the proud 2nd. owner of a 1968.5 F-250 Ranger "Camper Special" 390 C-6 :-). I would appreciate it if anyone could assist my in obtaining the plastic ring that attaches the horn button to the sterring column. michael iar.net 68 F-250 "cash flow" 92 Pont *&^c TransPort 84 Olds#$%*le Cutlass Supreme 80 Ma*#%da GLC Mobile,Al == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:58:10 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: LISTS AND WEB SITE WILL GO DOWN! Now that I've got everyone's attention! Ford Truck Enthusiasts will be completing (hopefully) its move to its new dedicated server this weekend. There WILL be an interruption of service. Depending on how long it takes your ISP's DNS server to receive IP updates, you will lose access to FTE's web site and email lists for 24-72 hours. Anything sent to the lists or posted to the web site may be lost during this time. This is unavoidable since we do not host our own DNS server. Please be patient during this time. Don't ask questions about when FTE will be back up or ask about the status. This will only interrupt me and make it take longer. Some services on the site may have minor glitches (ie, bugs) during the course of the next week. The chat engine will be down for about a week. After the changes, you can expect faster mail delivery, and a ****much**** fast web site. The transition will start early Saturday morning. Regards, Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:00:59 -0800 From: Carver Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Water Pump for a '64 F-100 292 I just got one last summer from a FLAPS for about $45. There are reman'd ones out there, but for $45 I didn't bother. Keep looking and calling. Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab 292 - -- -- -- -- -- Anyone have any clue where to get a reman water pump for my 1964 F-100 with the 292 motor? I found one at NAPA, but it's a new one, and runs $75. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:06:11 -0800 From: Carver Subject: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap After I siliconed my windshield I remembered some very good advice about windshields. Use roofing tar. It never really gets solid, displaces water, and lasts a very long time. Excellent for thoes lower glass sills to keep the water from sitting and rusting. Easy to clean up after it's dried out, unlike silicone, using mineral spirits. I'd hate to tweak a door to match a tweaked body, but I might have to. It's a separate problem. Jeff '64 F100 Crew Cab == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:13:28 -0500 From: Brent and Millie Price Subject: FTE 61-79 - radius arm bushings Okay you suspension experts, anyone have tips on changing the radius (strut) arm bushings on a 76 F100 2wd? After I take the spring out, do I have to remove the front connection of the radius arm at the I beam? Or will the radius arm and I-beam move forward enough to clear the rear bracket? What about the flexible brake line, does it have to be removed? About how long with it take to do both sides? I ordered the polyurethane bushings from Energy Suspensions. Anyone ever tried these? bkp 76 F100 XLT == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:31:58 EST From: GMontgo930 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - radius arm bushings.... 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