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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Mech. trouble shooting. The Answer!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Intermittent wipers.
FTE 61-79 - symptoms question
RE: FTE 61-79 - Replacement Springs
RE: FTE 61-79 - heart of a truck
RE: FTE 61-79 - symptoms question
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pot Hole Jumping
FTE 61-79 - CAM RECOMENDATIONS
Re: FTE 61-79 - CAM RECOMENDATIONS
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines
Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel pump
RE: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap
FTE 61-79 - Water Pump for a '64 F-100 292
Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)
RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install....
RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install....
Re: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap
FTE 61-79 - Re: long term tire storage
FTE 61-79 - Re: Puyallup 4x4 show
RE: FTE 61-79 - Sale prices?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: long term tire storage
FTE 61-79 - Fun in the winter ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)
FTE 61-79 - Off Topic but very important to an ailing old lady....
RE: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun in the winter ...
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines
Re: FTE 61-79 - Off Topic but very important to an ailing old lady....
FTE 61-79 - 3sp OD
FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual
RE: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual
Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual
FTE 61-79 - Sick 64
FTE 61-79 - Good deal in Central Cali
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines
RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install....
RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install....
Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)
FTE 61-79 - It may be a epidemic
Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 05:38:59 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mech. trouble shooting. The Answer!!!!


> I guess I will have to install the timing chain for him.
> Even if it runs OK
> now I imagine that the chain will slip again. Once the car
> warms up and is
> put under a real load. It is a shame to waste the money on a
> timing chain
> for this engine. The compression check I did showed 73-95.
> Aren't these
> motors supposed to have about 125? I tried to convince him
> we should go find
> a junkyard engine for about $300 and he would be better off.
> But this is all
> the money the guy has.
>

Way to go! Yes I think 125 is what I would expect on a compression test.
However it is possible if the timing chain did slip then the valve timing
may be off enough to bleed off pressure. A new chain might see an increase
in pressure. If the pressure reading was consistent across all cylinders I
would give the chain a chance.

Good Luck

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 05:38:58 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Intermittent wipers.

>
> Hi Robert,
> I've got the intermittant wiper switch on the '78 Ranger
> Lariat F250 2WD
> that I just bought, apparently an option. A pal was saying
> today that there
> is more to it than just the switch, that you have to change
> the motor and
> some wiring. Can't swear to the swap info, but he sounded
> like he knew what
> he was talking about.
>

Wellll, things ain't always as they appear. As others have stated the only
thing that needs to be changed is the switch with the acompanying 'brain'
box. It is this box that has the delay mechanism in it and sends a pulse to
the existing motor. It's the sweetest and easiest swap you would ever want
to do.

Tom H
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:51:53 -0600
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - symptoms question

>>After its been running for a while, if I accidently lug the engine
(<1000rpm's) the oil light will flicker on, and it did rod knock a couple
times, though that seems to have stopped now ...<<

Bill,
The only time I have run across similar symptoms it was because the wrong
oil filter was installed by the quick lube shop. This was on a 500 cid
Cadillac, but it acted exactly the same. The oil light would flicker when
you pulled a hill. Another thought is the fuel pump. You said the oil gets
black real fast. If this is a new trick, the fuel pump may be putting
gasoline in the crankcase. This will thin the oil and make the light
flicker, too.

- -- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:06:45 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Replacement Springs

> Does anyone know of a source of replacement springs? I
> need a set of coils for a '78 F150 4x4 and a set of
> leafs for a '77 F250 4x4. Is anyone on this list fom
> or near Bristol Virgina?

For coils, I just got them at the local parts store, they were the same
price as everywhere else, though I had to pay tax instead of shipping ($90
or so) ...

you might check around on the web, but frankly shipping will kill you for
the leaf's ...

If you need any hints on the install, lemme know :)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Tech/Springs/springs.html

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:12:20 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - heart of a truck

Azie, are we really from such a different generation? What did I start
here????? Do these guys know who Moon Doggie is? Or Kahunah? Let me put
it another way......

"The camshaft is the one component which, taken by itself, will give you
the greatest change in performance, significantly more than any other
'single' component". I am terribly sorry for giving it a name other that
cam shaft, I was simply quoting some very distinguished engine builders :-(
To make the most of it you obviously have to change other things but by
itself with no other changes, the cam will 'constructively' alter the
engine's characteristics more than any other component.......and 'can' do
this without changing anything else. You can't 'realistically' say this
about any other single component in the engine.

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

>> Gary :
>>
>> > What is the "Heart" of an engine? Or...What gives an
>engine "Heart"
>
>I would have to say that if you are comparing an engine to the
>human body,
>you could compare things like the intake and the exhaust to
>obvioud human
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:18:52 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - symptoms question

> The only time I have run across similar symptoms it was because the wrong
> oil filter was installed by the quick lube shop.

Hmmmm...that's something to consider for sure ... I'll check on that later
today probably ...

> Another thought is the fuel pump. You said the oil gets
> black real fast.

I thought about that, but being a fuel injected vehicle it would have to run
pretty rich to do that wouldn't it ?

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:22:22 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pot Hole Jumping

Someday, if you get me drunk enough, I'll tell you about pot hole jumping
and my first true off road experience......Ox, you be quiet...:-)

Speaking of seeing....I just increased the font in my mailer by another 2
points......

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

>S. Harkema writes: >>What scares me is that sometimes I see the same
>picture as Gary :)<<
>
>You need help, S. and you need it now....
>
>The final symptoms are an overwhelming desire to rebuild 460
>powered Broncos
>that you will use for pothole jumping. At this point this
>condition is not
>reversible. Case in point, Gary.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:35:09 -0600
From: prozelloaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - CAM RECOMENDATIONS

Hey Everyone,
I am wanting to install a cam in my 460, what would be the best grind to
purchase. I am looking for low end. I like torque more than top end. Heck
there aren't alot of places you can use top end driving on streets on a
daily basis. Besides the seat of the britches feeling from an engine with a
lot of low end grunt is great. Any help would be highly apreciated.

Paul
65 F100 460 C6.

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:37:46 -0800
From: "John MacNamara" zhone.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - CAM RECOMENDATIONS

Paul: If you go to the Crane web page and look up there HV260 grind I think it
is, I used this in my 460 with 3:550 gears and I have tons of low end and it
revs out just fine also. Would highly recommend this cam. I'll see if I can
find the card and send it to you off line.

John
78 F250 4X4 Supercab 460

OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell wrote:

> Hey Everyone,
> I am wanting to install a cam in my 460, what would be the best grind to
> purchase. I am looking for low end. I like torque more than top end. Heck
> there aren't alot of places you can use top end driving on streets on a
> daily basis. Besides the seat of the britches feeling from an engine with a
> lot of low end grunt is great. Any help would be highly apreciated.
>
> Paul
> 65 F100 460 C6.
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:42:15 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines

Stainless needs to be done in a machine so the upset of the metal can be
controlled or it will crack and split. It is not recommended for custom
jobs which must be hand flared.

For now I will just install the lines, clean them and spray some self
etching primer on them near the fittings where they get scratched up from
flaring and any other spots I notice in an effort to preserve them. Some
day I will actually fit the lines, remove them and paint them with Imron or
PPG and re-install them but not til I get the frame done and other work
etc...

Self etching primer is indicated any time you have aluminzed or zink coated
material and certainly helps if you can't get all the rust off as well. I
used this on my front axle under the Imron two years ago or was it last
year??? It will not self clean grease and other contamination but will aid
in making it stick when conditions are not perfect. You still need to get
as much rust and dirt off as possible before using it or you will not have
any success with it any more than with other primers. I used a needle gun
and sand blaster to get the metal as clean as I could but there was some
residual rust areas I couldn't do a good job on so I used the acid wash,
several times after first degreasing it and then the primer and then two
coats of Imron. Still looks pretty good in spite of being under the truck
in the way of stones etc.. Oil and grease just wipes right off.....

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

> Howdy Folks,
> I've read in the Truck Mags some references to Stainless
>Steel brake
>lines. Anyone had any experience with it? Any idea how it would take a
>double flare? Sounds like neat stuff, and that makes me think
>there is a
>catch.
> What ya' goin to paint the lines with and are you going
>to take them
>off to paint them?
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:47:42 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel pump

I got the new fuel pump to go in. After a few cranks of the engine it
lined right up. As luck would have it, the left bolt is stripped. Luckily,
it's the one that runs all the way through the timing cover. If a longer
bolt won't catch a thread, I can get an even longer one and lock washer and
nut it. That was Saturday.
I got the longer bolts while I was in Toledo Sunday. Shortly thereafter I
had the wonderful : ) experience of starting to pass a kidney stone !!!!!
Oh my Lord. I've broken my foot, smashed numerous body parts, even had the
snot knocked out of me with a pool stick. Nothing compares. Now back to bed
to enjoy the Percocette : )
Thanks for everyones help with the fuel pump!



Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
' 63 F-100
parts truck

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:55:22 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap

No but when you figure it out let me know....my bronco is doing that but the
door fits perfectly. Only thing I can figure is that the repaired metal
around the door or the new door itself is not a compatible shape so will
have to eventually "tweak" it a little :-)

My windshield leaks too......gosh! just too many things to do......Never
should have set up that 10' c band dish......

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

>Any ideas on how to fill the 1/4" gap in the brand
>new seal at the top of the door between the seal
>and the not-in-right-place body?
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:02:31 -0600
From: "Moore, Jimmy" zymetx.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Water Pump for a '64 F-100 292

Anyone have any clue where to get a reman water pump for my 1964 F-100 with
the 292 motor? I found one at NAPA, but it's a new one, and runs $75.
Thanks,
Jim Moore
1964 Ford F-100 292
1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:09:35 EST
From: OldTruxaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)

In a message dated Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:38:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dan Herrmann in-motion.net> writes:

>
>
> Hello! To all of you interested in attending this years Columbus Spring
> Swap the dates are April 1st & 2nd (Saturday & Sunday).

Anyone from Chicago area (northern IL) plan on going? Anyone willing to share a ride?


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:45:50 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install....

If I misread this please forgive me but it seems backward to me? The timing
cover must be positioned with no pressure on it, tightened down firmly so it
can't move and then the other components should be bolted to it including
the pan. If you tighten the pan first then the gasket pushes the timing
cover out of position and the front seal will be lopsided and leak. This is
not my own idea, it comes from a college text book used in a rebuilding
class and when meditating on this concept I can find no fault with it???

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

> The trick to installing the front cover is to install the oil
>pan bolts snugly
>first. then install the upper cover bolts loosely, then
>tighten tne oil pan
>bolts til the gasket has the right amount of "squish", then
>tighten all the
>rest of the bolts around the front cover.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:59:19 -0500
From: tfreemanmurphyfarms.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install....

This is the same metheod I used in my rebuild. I read it in Steve Christ book
as well. If you don't have a postive location tool, mount the cover on loosely,
insert the spacer on the snout to line it up, then torque to spec, then install
the pan. I believe I understand it the same as you. It prevents a preload from
being set on the seal and causing to leak or prematurely fail.

- -Ted



If I misread this please forgive me but it seems backward to me? The timing
cover must be positioned with no pressure on it, tightened down firmly so it
can't move and then the other components should be bolted to it including
the pan. If you tighten the pan first then the gasket pushes the timing
cover out of position and the front seal will be lopsided and leak. This is
not my own idea, it comes from a college text book used in a rebuilding
class and when meditating on this concept I can find no fault with it???

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

> The trick to installing the front cover is to install the oil
>pan bolts snugly
>first. then install the upper cover bolts loosely, then
>tighten tne oil pan
>bolts til the gasket has the right amount of "squish", then
>tighten all the
>rest of the bolts around the front cover.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:03:55 EST
From: SevnD2aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap

I can't remember if you said door glass also . Well here are some things
about the door glass.
I have seen my Dad and body shops bend the window frame of some car and truck
doors to make them line up. This helps the cars and trucks with power windows
if they are in a bind. I don't know what causes this , but it is a common
thing for a glass shop to do on certain cars when replacing the door glass.
Maybe it can even cause some gaps to be in the door rubber that seals it if
there is a very big problem with the frame around the door glass. Of course
this information is from years ago ( 79-82 ) when I helped in the shop. These
newer cars and trucks may have a new problem I haven't seen.

Hope this helps .

Rollie
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:04:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: long term tire storage

You can store them under my truck!

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V




Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:50:39 -0600
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - long term tire storage

>>These tires often sit for months at a time, right
now I have them in the warm basement on wood palates
standing up right, inflated to normal pressure
covered with blankets. Love that smell in my
basement! Anyone have any other tips on how to
preserve these?<<

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:13:45 -0800
From: Tim Bowman USWEST.NET>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Puyallup 4x4 show

Scott:

It's being held March 12, 2000 at the fairgrounds. The Early Bird Swap
meet at the same location is on February 19-20 but it's not 4x4
specific. However, a very good swap meet.

- --
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowmanuswest.net


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:03:27 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Sale prices?

Assuming this is a 2wd truck the Kelly price is about $2250 for an 80
vintage of the same description. If it has very little rust and has not
been patched then I'd say that was a fair price for this truck but the price
would have to go down from there for a 2wd if there were any plastic patches
or shoddy metal patches etc.. Faded paint is not an issue with me
personally but may tend to take the price down as well with other buyers.

From what I've seen in catalogs a truck is a truck with only a few
exceptions for special classic value so a truck in such and such a shape
will generate $ XXX worth of interest on the market regardless of it's
vintage most of the time but older trucks are harder to drive up to this
price than newer ones because of the image in the "Typical" buyers' heads.
In this case you will be selling to knowledgeable buyers who want an older
truck and many will be looking for a bargain so don't be surprised to have
most of them try to jew you down. Again, it's a matter of how long you can
wait for your money and how important it is for you to get your price which
dictates what you actually sell it for.

I'd decide on a price, stick it in the on line trader or a magazine which
sells trucks via grocery store stands etc.. I hate to give a definite price
because I don't really have enough experience shopping for this vintage but
I would think you can get your original investment back from it if you can
afford to wait it out a while. The worn seat certainly deducts from the
value and the plain interior indicates that it was probably a "Custom" which
was the lower end version and lack of air doesn't help either. The area you
live in will also make a big difference. Here in Michigan this truck would
have to fight for that price but out there it may be worth more, not sure.
I've seen 70's vintage trucks go for less than $1000 but with more rust on
them and as high as $5200 for a painted and fixed up 4x4. I bought a badly
rusted but running 68 for $275 and drove the darned thing for 10 years off
and on.

Sorry I can't be more specific :-(

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

>Thanks. :) It's a 1971 F-100/Ranger, short bed, 6-cylinder engine,
>
>We paid $2500 for it in 1996. Since then we've gotten the engine
>and transmission fixed up, so it runs much better. The body was
>
>The interior is pretty rough. It's bare metal inside the cab, and the
>bench seat cloth is torn on the driver's side. The heat works really
>well, and it isn't equipped with AC. It does have an AM/FM stereo
>with cassette player.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:36:32 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap

There is a special, heavy duty hydraulic device for doing this.....I did it
with a lift and a gas furnace.....forgot about the furnace and left the door
open when I lifted it........I also took out the drinking fountain in the
class with the same van.......got an "A" in the class too :-) I hope no one
is documenting these incidents.......:-)

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

>I have seen my Dad and body shops bend the window frame of
>some car and truck
>doors to make them line up. This helps the cars and trucks
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:45:35 -0800
From: wicowboy gateway.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: long term tire storage

Dan Lee wrote:
>
> You can store them under my truck!
>
> Dan Lee
> '53 F100
> 400C-4V

Sounds like the basement will do fine, thanks for the offer though :)
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:24:22 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fun in the winter ...

Well all, just thought I'd pass along some fun I've been having. After
predictions of 1-3 and 2-4 inches of snow, I was of course skeptical at
best. Its still snowing a bit off and on and we have over 4" pretty easily
:) Nice wet thick stuff :)

Had to run some errands around lunch time and decided to head out with a
friend in a Jeep, so you can imagine our 2 full size vehicles (his is a
Grand Wagoneer) plowing through the back streets ... we went and visited a
park with a huge hill just to see what was up and found some parking space
to try out the new tires and new motor (he's got the new tires, I've got the
new motor :)

It was quite fun, though my lack of fuel prevented me from any donuts or
anything, no traction in the rear at all ... so while he showed off with his
donuts I was able to just spin at least 3 from a dead stop, something he was
unable to do, at least not for quite the distance I was ...

We then had some fun with some un-travelled roads and pretty much concluded
the fun with a trip to the fuel station and finally back to the parking lot.

Maybe after work we can sneak in a bit more, but at any rate it was a blast
:) No more of those rice burners or muscle cars pickin on me today :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:18:32 -0800
From: wicowboy gateway.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)

> Anyone from Chicago area (northern IL) plan on going? Anyone willing to share a ride?



I'd like to go, I'm in Milwaukee so i assume I'll be driving right
through Chicago.......Let me know, msg me off-list if interested.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:20:57 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Off Topic but very important to an ailing old lady....

Sorry if this already got through but I didn't see it so......

Sorry for this interruption to the list but my wife just acquired (her
loving husband bought it for her) a new cam and mic for her computer and
would like to know how to use it to have internet conversations without
incurring any phone charges, legally. If anyone knows how to do this
without having to sub*cribe to a service to handle it, please contact me off

list....

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:22:52 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)

I'd like to plan to go to this since it's not too far from me. What route
would you guys be taking if you go? US-23 would be the obvious choice for
me.....

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

>> Anyone from Chicago area (northern IL) plan on going? Anyone
>willing to share a ride?
>
>I'd like to go, I'm in Milwaukee so i assume I'll be driving right
>through Chicago.......Let me know, msg me off-list if interested.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:02:42 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines

> > Howdy Folks,
> > I've read in the Truck Mags some references to Stainless
> >Steel brake
> >lines. Anyone had any experience with it? Any idea how it
> would take a
> >double flare? Sounds like neat stuff, and that makes me think
> >there is a
> >catch.
> > What ya' goin to paint the lines with and are you going
> >to take them
> >off to paint them?
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I think the mags are referring to stainless steel BRAIDED brake lines. They
replace the flexible rubber lines at each front wheel and one for the back
axle. The advantage to them is they don't balloon under pressure so all the
effort (energyA) put into the brake system is used by the brakes instead of
being used to expand the brake hose. There some disadvantages to them one
of which used to be that they were not approved by DOT. I don't know if
that is still true or why.

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:18:30 -0800
From: John Lord home.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun in the winter ...

My own story:

I went for a bit of a trip to find snow as there is none where i am this year.
I really wanted to see how the replaced gears worked in my front end.
They worked well and my old truck was alot quieter without chipped teeth, best
of all i had alot of fun. BUT........ Now that im back on the hiway i had this
odd bumping noise when i took my foot of the clutch. It took me a bit and a
friend but
i found i broke my main rear leaf spring on the drivers side causing the axle to
torque up and the overload spring bumpers to hit quite hard. Looks like im going
to replace my rear leaf bushings and add 3" 's a bit sooner than i wanted.

At least i had fun.

"William S. Hart" wrote:

> Well all, just thought I'd pass along some fun I've been having. After
> predictions of 1-3 and 2-4 inches of snow, I was of course skeptical at
> best. Its still snowing a bit off and on and we have over 4" pretty easily
> :) Nice wet thick stuff :)
>
> Had to run some errands around lunch time and decided to head out with a
> friend in a Jeep, so you can imagine our 2 full size vehicles (his is a
> Grand Wagoneer) plowing through the back streets ... we went and visited a
> park with a huge hill just to see what was up and found some parking space
> to try out the new tires and new motor (he's got the new tires, I've got the
> new motor :)
>
> It was quite fun, though my lack of fuel prevented me from any donuts or
> anything, no traction in the rear at all ... so while he showed off with his
> donuts I was able to just spin at least 3 from a dead stop, something he was
> unable to do, at least not for quite the distance I was ...
>
> We then had some fun with some un-travelled roads and pretty much concluded
> the fun with a trip to the fuel station and finally back to the parking lot.
>
> Maybe after work we can sneak in a bit more, but at any rate it was a blast
> :) No more of those rice burners or muscle cars pickin on me today :)
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:27:29 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines

> I think the mags are referring to stainless steel BRAIDED brake
> lines.

There are actually stainless hardlines too ...

> The advantage to them is they don't balloon under pressure
> so all the
> effort (energyA) put into the brake system is used by the brakes
> instead of
> being used to expand the brake hose.

Very true, I'm still gonna put them on my GT when I get the Cobra brake
upgrade (or better) for it ...that'll be awesome 13" of disc brake at the
front hehehehe ... hey CJ, you thought I could stop before :)

> There some disadvantages to them one
> of which used to be that they were not approved by DOT. I don't know if
> that is still true or why.
>

There is a company that makes DOT approved lines, Russel maybe ? Dunno for
sure on that, but can probably find out if you need it ... a few other
things I've learned about them while peeking in the racing venue:

as they age they work harden (just from turning the wheels a lot) and can
cause cracking eventually, at which point you want to replace them, no
questions asked. This means checking them religiously or risking a blow out
...

also the reason most are not DOT approved is because of 1 test in particular
I read about, they tie a weight on the end of it and spin it in a circle for
a few hundred rotations, if they can't take that then they fail ... of
course rubber has a huge advantage over steel when it comes to this test so
very few have even tried it ...

Personally I'm not sure I'm going to put htem on my truck as I am usually
running it hard in cold weather (not a good environment at all for stainless
steel, though its getting better), for my car though, i change the tires
almost every weekend, or at least twice a month, plenty of opportunity to
check the brake lines, and it doesn't see cold weather except to sit in it
...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:01:09 -0500
From: joe delaurentis p3.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Off Topic but very important to an ailing old lady....

Gary,
she could use dialpad.com to make "FREE" phone calls anywhere in the USA..
you can'y use the camera but a mic and speakers as your phone..Works excellent!!

Joe

"Peters, Gary (G.R.)" wrote:

> Sorry if this already got through but I didn't see it so......
>
> Sorry for this interruption to the list but my wife just acquired (her
> loving husband bought it for her) a new cam and mic for her computer and
> would like to know how to use it to have internet conversations without
> incurring any phone charges, legally. If anyone knows how to do this
> without having to sub*cribe to a service to handle it, please contact me off
>
> list....
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:40:45 -0500
From: am14daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 3sp OD

Brett writes: >>If you're stuck on making a tranny swap the least amount
of work would be
the Borg Warner 3 speed overdrive that was optional at the time.<<

Be sure you get all the electricals if you go this route. The OD won't
work without them. There is a kickdown unit on the cowl(engine side of
dash), a fused relay also mounted on cowl, and the transmission has a
governor and a solenoid attached to it. All these have connecting wire
harnesses. It takes it all. I think these were(are) fine trannys, but not
everyone understands them, nor can just anyone tear them apart and
sucessfully get them back together.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:49:52 -0800
From: "Robert Gunter" icnpharm.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual

Greetings all,

I would like to buy the Ford Shop manual for my Van. Problem is, the usual
vendor wants too much.

I saw this on Amazon:

Ford 2-Wheel Drive Full-Size, Super Shop Manual,
F-Series Pickup and Econoline Vans Nineteen Sixty-Nine to Nineteen Eighty-Nine

fIs this the same thing? There was no author listed, or ISBN, just this title.
If anyone has an ISBN that would be helpful.

I have a couple of the more generic shop manuals passed on by the previous
owner,
but they don't have the detail I would like/need.

Anyone out there have an extry they could part with??

Thanks,

Rob G.

The Mystery Machine is a 77 Ford E250 Quadravan, 460 ci, 3.73 gears with a C6
Tranny.


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:55:59 -0800
From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual

No, that is just a "Chilton" type manual. I have the set at home and can
get the numbers tonight. Have you tried ebay?
Rich

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From: Robert Gunter [mailto:rjguntericnpharm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 2:50 PM
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com; 4x4vanonelist.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual


Greetings all,

I would like to buy the Ford Shop manual for my Van. Problem is, the usual
vendor wants too much.

I saw this on Amazon:

Ford 2-Wheel Drive Full-Size, Super Shop Manual,
F-Series Pickup and Econoline Vans Nineteen Sixty-Nine to Nineteen
Eighty-Nine

fIs this the same thing? There was no author listed, or ISBN, just this
title.
If anyone has an ISBN that would be helpful.

I have a couple of the more generic shop manuals passed on by the previous
owner,
but they don't have the detail I would like/need.

Anyone out there have an extry they could part with??

Thanks,

Rob G.

The Mystery Machine is a 77 Ford E250 Quadravan, 460 ci, 3.73 gears with a
C6
Tranny.


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:54:38 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual

I always assume that if a seller offers something without the usual
identifying details, such as in this case author, publisher, number of
pages, etc., he's probably trying to foist off something. Just going by
the title alone, it could be some guy's xeroxed pamphlet.

Denny
'72 F-100 360 2WD Manual everything, 140K

Southerland, Rich wrote:
>
> No, that is just a "Chilton" type manual. I have the set at home and can
> get the numbers tonight. Have you tried ebay?
> Rich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Gunter [mailto:rjguntericnpharm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 2:50 PM
> To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com; 4x4vanonelist.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual
>
> Greetings all,
>
> I would like to buy the Ford Shop manual for my Van. Problem is, the usual
> vendor wants too much.
>
> I saw this on Amazon:
>
> Ford 2-Wheel Drive Full-Size, Super Shop Manual,
> F-Series Pickup and Econoline Vans Nineteen Sixty-Nine to Nineteen
> Eighty-Nine
>
> fIs this the same thing? There was no author listed, or ISBN, just this
> title.
> If anyone has an ISBN that would be helpful.
>
> I have a couple of the more generic shop manuals passed on by the previous
> owner,
> but they don't have the detail I would like/need.
>
> Anyone out there have an extry they could part with??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob G.
>
> The Mystery Machine is a 77 Ford E250 Quadravan, 460 ci, 3.73 gears with a
> C6
> Tranny.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:16:34 -0800
From: djohnsonlem10.med.navy.mil (Douglas Johnson)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sick 64

As income tax return time draws nigh, I once again step from the shadows of
the faithful reader to ask some advice. The truck originally came with a 240
I6, 3 on the tree, and a Dana 60 rear 4:5? gearset. Previous owner hacked in
a 360/C6 combo in a manner that makes the hairs on my red neck stand up.
Would it be better to try and go back to the factory front/rear mount once
this wimperin 360 becomes her true 390 fire-breathin potential, or should I
get the Dennis Carpenter crossmember? Seondly, with regards to the rear, it
will be a daily driver (as it should be...) and occasional tow'er (30ft
travel trailer on the ball). I need to swap out the gear set for around a
3:50ish, but it also has factory limited slip (which still works), and I
don't want to lose it. If I remeber right, 4:10 and below is a smaller
carrier. To make things more confusin, Jegs says to get new 4:11 or under
would require the 4:53 carrier. Arrgh, who's right? Any ideas?
"Doc" Johnson
64 F100 360/C6/Dana 60
Lemoore, CA

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:39:08 -0800
From: djohnsonlem10.med.navy.mil (Douglas Johnson)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Good deal in Central Cali

Just talked to a buddy stationed here in Lemoore, has a 66 200 cid I6 with
C4, complete from a running Mustang with radiator and good motor mounts.
I've worked on it before, don't recall the mileage, but it's strong and
doesn't smoke. He lives in Bakersfield and will let it all go for $250.00,
even local delivery. E-mail me off list if you're interested.


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:16:41 -0800 (PST)
From: canzusseanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines

At 01:02 PM 19:1:00 -0800, Hogan, Tom wrote:

>>
>I think the mags are referring to stainless steel BRAIDED brake lines. They
>replace the flexible rubber lines at each front wheel and one for the back
>axle. The advantage to them is they don't balloon under pressure so all the
>effort (energyA) put into the brake system is used by the brakes instead of
>being used to expand the brake hose. There some disadvantages to them one
>of which used to be that they were not approved by DOT. I don't know if
>that is still true or why.

They are available with DOT approval now, made by Russell....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:16:45 -0800 (PST)
From: canzusseanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install....

At 10:59 AM 19:1:00 -0500, tfreemanmurphyfarms.com wrote:
>This is the same metheod I used in my rebuild. I read it in Steve Christ book
>as well.

Snip 1

>If I misread this please forgive me but it seems backward to me? The timing
>cover must be positioned with no pressure on it, tightened down firmly so it
>can't move and then the other components should be bolted to it including
>the pan.

Snip 2

>> The trick to installing the front cover is to install the oil
>>pan bolts snugly
>>first. then install the upper cover bolts loosely, then
>>tighten tne oil pan
>>bolts til the gasket has the right amount of "squish", then
>>tighten all the
>>rest of the bolts around the front cover.

You're forgetting the fact that he's replacing the timing chain
and gears while the engine is in the car. The last thing you want
to do is mess about with an oil pan gasket while the engine is in
the car/truck.
The problem comes from the end seal for the oil pan, that little
curved rubber bit you glue to the front cover first, It generally
doesn't want to go where it's supposed to.
If you do it the way I described, there is little chance of any
annoying little leaks.

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:16:36 -0800 (PST)
From: canzusseanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install....

At 10:59 AM 19:1:00 -0500, tfreemanmurphyfarms.com wrote:
>This is the same metheod I used in my rebuild. I read it in Steve Christ book
>as well.

Snip 1

>If I misread this please forgive me but it seems backward to me? The timing
>cover must be positioned with no pressure on it, tightened down firmly so it
>can't move and then the other components should be bolted to it including
>the pan.

Snip 2

>> The trick to installing the front cover is to install the oil
>>pan bolts snugly
>>first. then install the upper cover bolts loosely, then
>>tighten tne oil pan
>>bolts til the gasket has the right amount of "squish", then
>>tighten all the
>>rest of the bolts around the front cover.

You're forgetting the fact that he's replacing the timing chain
and gears while the engine is in the car. The last thing you want
to do is mess about with an oil pan gasket while the engine is in
the car/truck.
The problem comes from the end seal for the oil pan, that little
curved rubber bit you glue to the front cover first, It generally
doesn't want to go where it's supposed to.
If you do it the way I described, there is little chance of any
annoying little leaks.

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:42:01 EST
From: IanBoss69aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)

where is this taking place? the fairgrounds? im assuming this is columbus
ohio, i missed the original post, thanks

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:58:13 -0800
From: "S.Harkema" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - It may be a epidemic

S. Harkema writes: >>What scares me is that sometimes I see the same
picture as Gary :)<<

You need help, S. and you need it now....

>The final symptoms are an overwhelming desire to rebuild 460 powered >Broncos
>that you will use for pothole jumping. At this point this condition is >not reversible. Case in point, Gary.

My FE is staying under the hood of my F-250 and I don't even own a
Bronco.Do have a 84 with a 460 tho....
Oh noooooo,Just remembered,My nephew.He has a 78 Bronco and wants a 460
in it.Maybe he's got it.And he's so young.Oh my.Is it too late?????
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:53:24 -0500
From: "G.T. Herpich" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual

IMHO you should shop around for the best price on a factory shop
manual and buy it. Nothing else comes close and it will only appreciate
in value.

George H

Robert Gunter wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> I would like to buy the Ford Shop manual for my Van. Problem is, the usual
> vendor wants too much.
>
> I saw this on Amazon:
>
> Ford 2-Wheel Drive Full-Size, Super Shop Manual,
> F-Series Pickup and Econoline Vans Nineteen Sixty-Nine to Nineteen Eighty-Nine
>
> fIs this the same thing? There was no author listed, or ISBN, just this title.
> If anyone has an ISBN that would be helpful.
>
> I have a couple of the more generic shop manuals passed on by the previous
> owner,
> but they don't have the detail I would like/need.
>
> Anyone out there have an extry they could part with??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob G.
>
> The Mystery Machine is a 77 Ford E250 Quadravan, 460 ci, 3.73 gears with a C6
> Tranny.
>
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