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From: owner-61-79-list-digest  ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V4 #26 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Thursday, January 20 2000 Volume 04 : Number 026 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mech. trouble shooting. The Answer!!!! RE: FTE 61-79 - Intermittent wipers. FTE 61-79 - symptoms question RE: FTE 61-79 - Replacement Springs RE: FTE 61-79 - heart of a truck RE: FTE 61-79 - symptoms question RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pot Hole Jumping FTE 61-79 - CAM RECOMENDATIONS Re: FTE 61-79 - CAM RECOMENDATIONS RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel pump RE: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap FTE 61-79 - Water Pump for a '64 F-100 292 Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install.... RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install.... Re: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap FTE 61-79 - Re: long term tire storage FTE 61-79 - Re: Puyallup 4x4 show RE: FTE 61-79 - Sale prices? RE: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: long term tire storage FTE 61-79 - Fun in the winter ... Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) FTE 61-79 - Off Topic but very important to an ailing old lady.... RE: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun in the winter ... RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines Re: FTE 61-79 - Off Topic but very important to an ailing old lady.... FTE 61-79 - 3sp OD FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual RE: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual FTE 61-79 - Sick 64 FTE 61-79 - Good deal in Central Cali RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install.... RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install.... Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) FTE 61-79 - It may be a epidemic Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 05:38:59 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mech. trouble shooting. The Answer!!!! > I guess I will have to install the timing chain for him. > Even if it runs OK > now I imagine that the chain will slip again. Once the car > warms up and is > put under a real load. It is a shame to waste the money on a > timing chain > for this engine. The compression check I did showed 73-95. > Aren't these > motors supposed to have about 125? I tried to convince him > we should go find > a junkyard engine for about $300 and he would be better off. > But this is all > the money the guy has. > Way to go! Yes I think 125 is what I would expect on a compression test. However it is possible if the timing chain did slip then the valve timing may be off enough to bleed off pressure. A new chain might see an increase in pressure. If the pressure reading was consistent across all cylinders I would give the chain a chance. Good Luck Tom H == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 05:38:58 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Intermittent wipers. > > Hi Robert, > I've got the intermittant wiper switch on the '78 Ranger > Lariat F250 2WD > that I just bought, apparently an option. A pal was saying > today that there > is more to it than just the switch, that you have to change > the motor and > some wiring. Can't swear to the swap info, but he sounded > like he knew what > he was talking about. > Wellll, things ain't always as they appear. As others have stated the only thing that needs to be changed is the switch with the acompanying 'brain' box. It is this box that has the delay mechanism in it and sends a pulse to the existing motor. It's the sweetest and easiest swap you would ever want to do. Tom H == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:51:53 -0600 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - symptoms question >>After its been running for a while, if I accidently lug the engine (<1000rpm's) the oil light will flicker on, and it did rod knock a couple times, though that seems to have stopped now ...<< Bill, The only time I have run across similar symptoms it was because the wrong oil filter was installed by the quick lube shop. This was on a 500 cid Cadillac, but it acted exactly the same. The oil light would flicker when you pulled a hill. Another thought is the fuel pump. You said the oil gets black real fast. If this is a new trick, the fuel pump may be putting gasoline in the crankcase. This will thin the oil and make the light flicker, too. - -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:06:45 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Replacement Springs > Does anyone know of a source of replacement springs? I > need a set of coils for a '78 F150 4x4 and a set of > leafs for a '77 F250 4x4. Is anyone on this list fom > or near Bristol Virgina? For coils, I just got them at the local parts store, they were the same price as everywhere else, though I had to pay tax instead of shipping ($90 or so) ... you might check around on the web, but frankly shipping will kill you for the leaf's ... If you need any hints on the install, lemme know :) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Tech/Springs/springs.html Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:12:20 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - heart of a truck Azie, are we really from such a different generation? What did I start here????? Do these guys know who Moon Doggie is? Or Kahunah? Let me put it another way...... "The camshaft is the one component which, taken by itself, will give you the greatest change in performance, significantly more than any other 'single' component". I am terribly sorry for giving it a name other that cam shaft, I was simply quoting some very distinguished engine builders :-( To make the most of it you obviously have to change other things but by itself with no other changes, the cam will 'constructively' alter the engine's characteristics more than any other component.......and 'can' do this without changing anything else. You can't 'realistically' say this about any other single component in the engine. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- >> Gary : >> >> > What is the "Heart" of an engine? Or...What gives an >engine "Heart" > >I would have to say that if you are comparing an engine to the >human body, >you could compare things like the intake and the exhaust to >obvioud human == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:18:52 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - symptoms question > The only time I have run across similar symptoms it was because the wrong > oil filter was installed by the quick lube shop. Hmmmm...that's something to consider for sure ... I'll check on that later today probably ... > Another thought is the fuel pump. You said the oil gets > black real fast. I thought about that, but being a fuel injected vehicle it would have to run pretty rich to do that wouldn't it ? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:22:22 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pot Hole Jumping Someday, if you get me drunk enough, I'll tell you about pot hole jumping and my first true off road experience......Ox, you be quiet...:-) Speaking of seeing....I just increased the font in my mailer by another 2 points...... - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- >S. Harkema writes: >>What scares me is that sometimes I see the same >picture as Gary :)<< > >You need help, S. and you need it now.... > >The final symptoms are an overwhelming desire to rebuild 460 >powered Broncos >that you will use for pothole jumping. At this point this >condition is not >reversible. Case in point, Gary. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:35:09 -0600 From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)Subject: FTE 61-79 - CAM RECOMENDATIONS Hey Everyone, I am wanting to install a cam in my 460, what would be the best grind to purchase. I am looking for low end. I like torque more than top end. Heck there aren't alot of places you can use top end driving on streets on a daily basis. Besides the seat of the britches feeling from an engine with a lot of low end grunt is great. Any help would be highly apreciated. Paul 65 F100 460 C6. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:37:46 -0800 From: "John MacNamara" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - CAM RECOMENDATIONS Paul: If you go to the Crane web page and look up there HV260 grind I think it is, I used this in my 460 with 3:550 gears and I have tons of low end and it revs out just fine also. Would highly recommend this cam. I'll see if I can find the card and send it to you off line. John 78 F250 4X4 Supercab 460 OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell wrote: > Hey Everyone, > I am wanting to install a cam in my 460, what would be the best grind to > purchase. I am looking for low end. I like torque more than top end. Heck > there aren't alot of places you can use top end driving on streets on a > daily basis. Besides the seat of the britches feeling from an engine with a > lot of low end grunt is great. Any help would be highly apreciated. > > Paul > 65 F100 460 C6. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:42:15 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines Stainless needs to be done in a machine so the upset of the metal can be controlled or it will crack and split. It is not recommended for custom jobs which must be hand flared. For now I will just install the lines, clean them and spray some self etching primer on them near the fittings where they get scratched up from flaring and any other spots I notice in an effort to preserve them. Some day I will actually fit the lines, remove them and paint them with Imron or PPG and re-install them but not til I get the frame done and other work etc... Self etching primer is indicated any time you have aluminzed or zink coated material and certainly helps if you can't get all the rust off as well. I used this on my front axle under the Imron two years ago or was it last year??? It will not self clean grease and other contamination but will aid in making it stick when conditions are not perfect. You still need to get as much rust and dirt off as possible before using it or you will not have any success with it any more than with other primers. I used a needle gun and sand blaster to get the metal as clean as I could but there was some residual rust areas I couldn't do a good job on so I used the acid wash, several times after first degreasing it and then the primer and then two coats of Imron. Still looks pretty good in spite of being under the truck in the way of stones etc.. Oil and grease just wipes right off..... - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- > Howdy Folks, > I've read in the Truck Mags some references to Stainless >Steel brake >lines. Anyone had any experience with it? Any idea how it would take a >double flare? Sounds like neat stuff, and that makes me think >there is a >catch. > What ya' goin to paint the lines with and are you going >to take them >off to paint them? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:47:42 -0500 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel pump I got the new fuel pump to go in. After a few cranks of the engine it lined right up. As luck would have it, the left bolt is stripped. Luckily, it's the one that runs all the way through the timing cover. If a longer bolt won't catch a thread, I can get an even longer one and lock washer and nut it. That was Saturday. I got the longer bolts while I was in Toledo Sunday. Shortly thereafter I had the wonderful : ) experience of starting to pass a kidney stone !!!!! Oh my Lord. I've broken my foot, smashed numerous body parts, even had the snot knocked out of me with a pool stick. Nothing compares. Now back to bed to enjoy the Percocette : ) Thanks for everyones help with the fuel pump! Ted Wnorowski Bellevue,OH ' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed ' 63 F-100 parts truck == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:55:22 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap No but when you figure it out let me know....my bronco is doing that but the door fits perfectly. Only thing I can figure is that the repaired metal around the door or the new door itself is not a compatible shape so will have to eventually "tweak" it a little :-) My windshield leaks too......gosh! just too many things to do......Never should have set up that 10' c band dish...... - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- >Any ideas on how to fill the 1/4" gap in the brand >new seal at the top of the door between the seal >and the not-in-right-place body? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:02:31 -0600 From: "Moore, Jimmy" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Water Pump for a '64 F-100 292 Anyone have any clue where to get a reman water pump for my 1964 F-100 with the 292 motor? I found one at NAPA, but it's a new one, and runs $75. Thanks, Jim Moore 1964 Ford F-100 292 1981 Ford F-150 300 Six == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:09:35 EST From: OldTrux aol.comSubject: Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) In a message dated Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:38:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dan Herrmann > > > Hello! To all of you interested in attending this years Columbus Spring > Swap the dates are April 1st & 2nd (Saturday & Sunday). Anyone from Chicago area (northern IL) plan on going? Anyone willing to share a ride? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:45:50 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install.... If I misread this please forgive me but it seems backward to me? The timing cover must be positioned with no pressure on it, tightened down firmly so it can't move and then the other components should be bolted to it including the pan. If you tighten the pan first then the gasket pushes the timing cover out of position and the front seal will be lopsided and leak. This is not my own idea, it comes from a college text book used in a rebuilding class and when meditating on this concept I can find no fault with it??? - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- > The trick to installing the front cover is to install the oil >pan bolts snugly >first. then install the upper cover bolts loosely, then >tighten tne oil pan >bolts til the gasket has the right amount of "squish", then >tighten all the >rest of the bolts around the front cover. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:59:19 -0500 From: tfreeman murphyfarms.comSubject: RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install.... This is the same metheod I used in my rebuild. I read it in Steve Christ book as well. If you don't have a postive location tool, mount the cover on loosely, insert the spacer on the snout to line it up, then torque to spec, then install the pan. I believe I understand it the same as you. It prevents a preload from being set on the seal and causing to leak or prematurely fail. - -Ted If I misread this please forgive me but it seems backward to me? The timing cover must be positioned with no pressure on it, tightened down firmly so it can't move and then the other components should be bolted to it including the pan. If you tighten the pan first then the gasket pushes the timing cover out of position and the front seal will be lopsided and leak. This is not my own idea, it comes from a college text book used in a rebuilding class and when meditating on this concept I can find no fault with it??? - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- > The trick to installing the front cover is to install the oil >pan bolts snugly >first. then install the upper cover bolts loosely, then >tighten tne oil pan >bolts til the gasket has the right amount of "squish", then >tighten all the >rest of the bolts around the front cover. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:03:55 EST From: SevnD2 aol.comSubject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap I can't remember if you said door glass also . Well here are some things about the door glass. I have seen my Dad and body shops bend the window frame of some car and truck doors to make them line up. This helps the cars and trucks with power windows if they are in a bind. I don't know what causes this , but it is a common thing for a glass shop to do on certain cars when replacing the door glass. Maybe it can even cause some gaps to be in the door rubber that seals it if there is a very big problem with the frame around the door glass. Of course this information is from years ago ( 79-82 ) when I helped in the shop. These newer cars and trucks may have a new problem I haven't seen. Hope this helps . Rollie == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:04:10 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Lee Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: long term tire storage You can store them under my truck! Dan Lee '53 F100 400C-4V Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:50:39 -0600 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - long term tire storage >>These tires often sit for months at a time, right now I have them in the warm basement on wood palates standing up right, inflated to normal pressure covered with blankets. Love that smell in my basement! Anyone have any other tips on how to preserve these?<< __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:13:45 -0800 From: Tim Bowman Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Puyallup 4x4 show Scott: It's being held March 12, 2000 at the fairgrounds. The Early Bird Swap meet at the same location is on February 19-20 but it's not 4x4 specific. However, a very good swap meet. - -- Tim Bowman Burien, WA tkbowman uswest.net== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:03:27 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Sale prices? Assuming this is a 2wd truck the Kelly price is about $2250 for an 80 vintage of the same description. If it has very little rust and has not been patched then I'd say that was a fair price for this truck but the price would have to go down from there for a 2wd if there were any plastic patches or shoddy metal patches etc.. Faded paint is not an issue with me personally but may tend to take the price down as well with other buyers. From what I've seen in catalogs a truck is a truck with only a few exceptions for special classic value so a truck in such and such a shape will generate $ XXX worth of interest on the market regardless of it's vintage most of the time but older trucks are harder to drive up to this price than newer ones because of the image in the "Typical" buyers' heads. In this case you will be selling to knowledgeable buyers who want an older truck and many will be looking for a bargain so don't be surprised to have most of them try to jew you down. Again, it's a matter of how long you can wait for your money and how important it is for you to get your price which dictates what you actually sell it for. I'd decide on a price, stick it in the on line trader or a magazine which sells trucks via grocery store stands etc.. I hate to give a definite price because I don't really have enough experience shopping for this vintage but I would think you can get your original investment back from it if you can afford to wait it out a while. The worn seat certainly deducts from the value and the plain interior indicates that it was probably a "Custom" which was the lower end version and lack of air doesn't help either. The area you live in will also make a big difference. Here in Michigan this truck would have to fight for that price but out there it may be worth more, not sure. I've seen 70's vintage trucks go for less than $1000 but with more rust on them and as high as $5200 for a painted and fixed up 4x4. I bought a badly rusted but running 68 for $275 and drove the darned thing for 10 years off and on. Sorry I can't be more specific :-( - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- >Thanks. :) It's a 1971 F-100/Ranger, short bed, 6-cylinder engine, > >We paid $2500 for it in 1996. Since then we've gotten the engine >and transmission fixed up, so it runs much better. The body was > >The interior is pretty rough. It's bare metal inside the cab, and the >bench seat cloth is torn on the driver's side. The heat works really >well, and it isn't equipped with AC. It does have an AM/FM stereo >with cassette player. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:36:32 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap There is a special, heavy duty hydraulic device for doing this.....I did it with a lift and a gas furnace.....forgot about the furnace and left the door open when I lifted it........I also took out the drinking fountain in the class with the same van.......got an "A" in the class too :-) I hope no one is documenting these incidents.......:-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- >I have seen my Dad and body shops bend the window frame of >some car and truck >doors to make them line up. This helps the cars and trucks == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:45:35 -0800 From: wicowboy Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: long term tire storage Dan Lee wrote: > > You can store them under my truck! > > Dan Lee > '53 F100 > 400C-4V Sounds like the basement will do fine, thanks for the offer though :) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:24:22 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fun in the winter ... Well all, just thought I'd pass along some fun I've been having. After predictions of 1-3 and 2-4 inches of snow, I was of course skeptical at best. Its still snowing a bit off and on and we have over 4" pretty easily :) Nice wet thick stuff :) Had to run some errands around lunch time and decided to head out with a friend in a Jeep, so you can imagine our 2 full size vehicles (his is a Grand Wagoneer) plowing through the back streets ... we went and visited a park with a huge hill just to see what was up and found some parking space to try out the new tires and new motor (he's got the new tires, I've got the new motor :) It was quite fun, though my lack of fuel prevented me from any donuts or anything, no traction in the rear at all ... so while he showed off with his donuts I was able to just spin at least 3 from a dead stop, something he was unable to do, at least not for quite the distance I was ... We then had some fun with some un-travelled roads and pretty much concluded the fun with a trip to the fuel station and finally back to the parking lot. Maybe after work we can sneak in a bit more, but at any rate it was a blast :) No more of those rice burners or muscle cars pickin on me today :) Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:18:32 -0800 From: wicowboy Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) > Anyone from Chicago area (northern IL) plan on going? Anyone willing to share a ride? I'd like to go, I'm in Milwaukee so i assume I'll be driving right through Chicago.......Let me know, msg me off-list if interested. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:20:57 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Off Topic but very important to an ailing old lady.... Sorry if this already got through but I didn't see it so...... Sorry for this interruption to the list but my wife just acquired (her loving husband bought it for her) a new cam and mic for her computer and would like to know how to use it to have internet conversations without incurring any phone charges, legally. If anyone knows how to do this without having to sub*cribe to a service to handle it, please contact me off list.... - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:22:52 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) I'd like to plan to go to this since it's not too far from me. What route would you guys be taking if you go? US-23 would be the obvious choice for me..... - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary - -- >> Anyone from Chicago area (northern IL) plan on going? Anyone >willing to share a ride? > >I'd like to go, I'm in Milwaukee so i assume I'll be driving right >through Chicago.......Let me know, msg me off-list if interested. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:02:42 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines > > Howdy Folks, > > I've read in the Truck Mags some references to Stainless > >Steel brake > >lines. Anyone had any experience with it? Any idea how it > would take a > >double flare? Sounds like neat stuff, and that makes me think > >there is a > >catch. > > What ya' goin to paint the lines with and are you going > >to take them > >off to paint them? > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > I think the mags are referring to stainless steel BRAIDED brake lines. They replace the flexible rubber lines at each front wheel and one for the back axle. The advantage to them is they don't balloon under pressure so all the effort (energyA) put into the brake system is used by the brakes instead of being used to expand the brake hose. There some disadvantages to them one of which used to be that they were not approved by DOT. I don't know if that is still true or why. Tom H == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:18:30 -0800 From: John Lord Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun in the winter ... My own story: I went for a bit of a trip to find snow as there is none where i am this year. I really wanted to see how the replaced gears worked in my front end. They worked well and my old truck was alot quieter without chipped teeth, best of all i had alot of fun. BUT........ Now that im back on the hiway i had this odd bumping noise when i took my foot of the clutch. It took me a bit and a friend but i found i broke my main rear leaf spring on the drivers side causing the axle to torque up and the overload spring bumpers to hit quite hard. Looks like im going to replace my rear leaf bushings and add 3" 's a bit sooner than i wanted. At least i had fun. "William S. Hart" wrote: > Well all, just thought I'd pass along some fun I've been having. After > predictions of 1-3 and 2-4 inches of snow, I was of course skeptical at > best. Its still snowing a bit off and on and we have over 4" pretty easily > :) Nice wet thick stuff :) > > Had to run some errands around lunch time and decided to head out with a > friend in a Jeep, so you can imagine our 2 full size vehicles (his is a > Grand Wagoneer) plowing through the back streets ... we went and visited a > park with a huge hill just to see what was up and found some parking space > to try out the new tires and new motor (he's got the new tires, I've got the > new motor :) > > It was quite fun, though my lack of fuel prevented me from any donuts or > anything, no traction in the rear at all ... so while he showed off with his > donuts I was able to just spin at least 3 from a dead stop, something he was > unable to do, at least not for quite the distance I was ... > > We then had some fun with some un-travelled roads and pretty much concluded > the fun with a trip to the fuel station and finally back to the parking lot. > > Maybe after work we can sneak in a bit more, but at any rate it was a blast > :) No more of those rice burners or muscle cars pickin on me today :) > > Just my $.02 > wish > > 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L > 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:27:29 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines > I think the mags are referring to stainless steel BRAIDED brake > lines. There are actually stainless hardlines too ... > The advantage to them is they don't balloon under pressure > so all the > effort (energyA) put into the brake system is used by the brakes > instead of > being used to expand the brake hose. Very true, I'm still gonna put them on my GT when I get the Cobra brake upgrade (or better) for it ...that'll be awesome 13" of disc brake at the front hehehehe ... hey CJ, you thought I could stop before :) > There some disadvantages to them one > of which used to be that they were not approved by DOT. I don't know if > that is still true or why. > There is a company that makes DOT approved lines, Russel maybe ? Dunno for sure on that, but can probably find out if you need it ... a few other things I've learned about them while peeking in the racing venue: as they age they work harden (just from turning the wheels a lot) and can cause cracking eventually, at which point you want to replace them, no questions asked. This means checking them religiously or risking a blow out ... also the reason most are not DOT approved is because of 1 test in particular I read about, they tie a weight on the end of it and spin it in a circle for a few hundred rotations, if they can't take that then they fail ... of course rubber has a huge advantage over steel when it comes to this test so very few have even tried it ... Personally I'm not sure I'm going to put htem on my truck as I am usually running it hard in cold weather (not a good environment at all for stainless steel, though its getting better), for my car though, i change the tires almost every weekend, or at least twice a month, plenty of opportunity to check the brake lines, and it doesn't see cold weather except to sit in it ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:01:09 -0500 From: joe delaurentis Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Off Topic but very important to an ailing old lady.... Gary, she could use dialpad.com to make "FREE" phone calls anywhere in the USA.. you can'y use the camera but a mic and speakers as your phone..Works excellent!! Joe "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" wrote: > Sorry if this already got through but I didn't see it so...... > > Sorry for this interruption to the list but my wife just acquired (her > loving husband bought it for her) a new cam and mic for her computer and > would like to know how to use it to have internet conversations without > incurring any phone charges, legally. If anyone knows how to do this > without having to sub*cribe to a service to handle it, please contact me off > > list.... > > -- > Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, > 78 Bronco Loving, Gary > -- > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - -- Joe 68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes, Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:40:45 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.comSubject: FTE 61-79 - 3sp OD Brett writes: >>If you're stuck on making a tranny swap the least amount of work would be the Borg Warner 3 speed overdrive that was optional at the time.<< Be sure you get all the electricals if you go this route. The OD won't work without them. There is a kickdown unit on the cowl(engine side of dash), a fused relay also mounted on cowl, and the transmission has a governor and a solenoid attached to it. All these have connecting wire harnesses. It takes it all. I think these were(are) fine trannys, but not everyone understands them, nor can just anyone tear them apart and sucessfully get them back together. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:49:52 -0800 From: "Robert Gunter" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual Greetings all, I would like to buy the Ford Shop manual for my Van. Problem is, the usual vendor wants too much. I saw this on Amazon: Ford 2-Wheel Drive Full-Size, Super Shop Manual, F-Series Pickup and Econoline Vans Nineteen Sixty-Nine to Nineteen Eighty-Nine fIs this the same thing? There was no author listed, or ISBN, just this title. If anyone has an ISBN that would be helpful. I have a couple of the more generic shop manuals passed on by the previous owner, but they don't have the detail I would like/need. Anyone out there have an extry they could part with?? Thanks, Rob G. The Mystery Machine is a 77 Ford E250 Quadravan, 460 ci, 3.73 gears with a C6 Tranny. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:55:59 -0800 From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual No, that is just a "Chilton" type manual. I have the set at home and can get the numbers tonight. Have you tried ebay? Rich - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Gunter [mailto:rjgunter icnpharm.com]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 2:50 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com; 4x4vanonelist.comSubject: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual Greetings all, I would like to buy the Ford Shop manual for my Van. Problem is, the usual vendor wants too much. I saw this on Amazon: Ford 2-Wheel Drive Full-Size, Super Shop Manual, F-Series Pickup and Econoline Vans Nineteen Sixty-Nine to Nineteen Eighty-Nine fIs this the same thing? There was no author listed, or ISBN, just this title. If anyone has an ISBN that would be helpful. I have a couple of the more generic shop manuals passed on by the previous owner, but they don't have the detail I would like/need. Anyone out there have an extry they could part with?? Thanks, Rob G. The Mystery Machine is a 77 Ford E250 Quadravan, 460 ci, 3.73 gears with a C6 Tranny. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:54:38 -0700 From: "Kiernan, Denny" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual I always assume that if a seller offers something without the usual identifying details, such as in this case author, publisher, number of pages, etc., he's probably trying to foist off something. Just going by the title alone, it could be some guy's xeroxed pamphlet. Denny '72 F-100 360 2WD Manual everything, 140K Southerland, Rich wrote: > > No, that is just a "Chilton" type manual. I have the set at home and can > get the numbers tonight. Have you tried ebay? > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Gunter [mailto:rjgunter icnpharm.com]> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 2:50 PM > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com; 4x4vanonelist.com> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual > > Greetings all, > > I would like to buy the Ford Shop manual for my Van. Problem is, the usual > vendor wants too much. > > I saw this on Amazon: > > Ford 2-Wheel Drive Full-Size, Super Shop Manual, > F-Series Pickup and Econoline Vans Nineteen Sixty-Nine to Nineteen > Eighty-Nine > > fIs this the same thing? There was no author listed, or ISBN, just this > title. > If anyone has an ISBN that would be helpful. > > I have a couple of the more generic shop manuals passed on by the previous > owner, > but they don't have the detail I would like/need. > > Anyone out there have an extry they could part with?? > > Thanks, > > Rob G. > > The Mystery Machine is a 77 Ford E250 Quadravan, 460 ci, 3.73 gears with a > C6 > Tranny. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:16:34 -0800 From: djohnson lem10.med.navy.mil (Douglas Johnson)Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sick 64 As income tax return time draws nigh, I once again step from the shadows of the faithful reader to ask some advice. The truck originally came with a 240 I6, 3 on the tree, and a Dana 60 rear 4:5? gearset. Previous owner hacked in a 360/C6 combo in a manner that makes the hairs on my red neck stand up. Would it be better to try and go back to the factory front/rear mount once this wimperin 360 becomes her true 390 fire-breathin potential, or should I get the Dennis Carpenter crossmember? Seondly, with regards to the rear, it will be a daily driver (as it should be...) and occasional tow'er (30ft travel trailer on the ball). I need to swap out the gear set for around a 3:50ish, but it also has factory limited slip (which still works), and I don't want to lose it. If I remeber right, 4:10 and below is a smaller carrier. To make things more confusin, Jegs says to get new 4:11 or under would require the 4:53 carrier. Arrgh, who's right? Any ideas? "Doc" Johnson 64 F100 360/C6/Dana 60 Lemoore, CA == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:39:08 -0800 From: djohnson lem10.med.navy.mil (Douglas Johnson)Subject: FTE 61-79 - Good deal in Central Cali Just talked to a buddy stationed here in Lemoore, has a 66 200 cid I6 with C4, complete from a running Mustang with radiator and good motor mounts. I've worked on it before, don't recall the mileage, but it's strong and doesn't smoke. He lives in Bakersfield and will let it all go for $250.00, even local delivery. E-mail me off list if you're interested. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:16:41 -0800 (PST) From: canzus seanet.comSubject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines At 01:02 PM 19:1:00 -0800, Hogan, Tom wrote: >> >I think the mags are referring to stainless steel BRAIDED brake lines. They >replace the flexible rubber lines at each front wheel and one for the back >axle. The advantage to them is they don't balloon under pressure so all the >effort (energyA) put into the brake system is used by the brakes instead of >being used to expand the brake hose. There some disadvantages to them one >of which used to be that they were not approved by DOT. I don't know if >that is still true or why. They are available with DOT approval now, made by Russell.... Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:16:45 -0800 (PST) From: canzus seanet.comSubject: RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install.... At 10:59 AM 19:1:00 -0500, tfreeman murphyfarms.com wrote:>This is the same metheod I used in my rebuild. I read it in Steve Christ book >as well. Snip 1 >If I misread this please forgive me but it seems backward to me? The timing >cover must be positioned with no pressure on it, tightened down firmly so it >can't move and then the other components should be bolted to it including >the pan. Snip 2 >> The trick to installing the front cover is to install the oil >>pan bolts snugly >>first. then install the upper cover bolts loosely, then >>tighten tne oil pan >>bolts til the gasket has the right amount of "squish", then >>tighten all the >>rest of the bolts around the front cover. You're forgetting the fact that he's replacing the timing chain and gears while the engine is in the car. The last thing you want to do is mess about with an oil pan gasket while the engine is in the car/truck. The problem comes from the end seal for the oil pan, that little curved rubber bit you glue to the front cover first, It generally doesn't want to go where it's supposed to. If you do it the way I described, there is little chance of any annoying little leaks. Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:16:36 -0800 (PST) From: canzus seanet.comSubject: RE: FTE 61-79 -Timing cover install.... At 10:59 AM 19:1:00 -0500, tfreeman murphyfarms.com wrote:>This is the same metheod I used in my rebuild. I read it in Steve Christ book >as well. Snip 1 >If I misread this please forgive me but it seems backward to me? The timing >cover must be positioned with no pressure on it, tightened down firmly so it >can't move and then the other components should be bolted to it including >the pan. Snip 2 >> The trick to installing the front cover is to install the oil >>pan bolts snugly >>first. then install the upper cover bolts loosely, then >>tighten tne oil pan >>bolts til the gasket has the right amount of "squish", then >>tighten all the >>rest of the bolts around the front cover. You're forgetting the fact that he's replacing the timing chain and gears while the engine is in the car. The last thing you want to do is mess about with an oil pan gasket while the engine is in the car/truck. The problem comes from the end seal for the oil pan, that little curved rubber bit you glue to the front cover first, It generally doesn't want to go where it's supposed to. If you do it the way I described, there is little chance of any annoying little leaks. Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:42:01 EST From: IanBoss69 aol.comSubject: Re: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford) where is this taking place? the fairgrounds? im assuming this is columbus ohio, i missed the original post, thanks Ian 79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M True Blue Ford Blue == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:58:13 -0800 From: "S.Harkema" Subject: FTE 61-79 - It may be a epidemic S. Harkema writes: >>What scares me is that sometimes I see the same picture as Gary :)<< You need help, S. and you need it now.... >The final symptoms are an overwhelming desire to rebuild 460 powered >Broncos >that you will use for pothole jumping. At this point this condition is >not reversible. Case in point, Gary. My FE is staying under the hood of my F-250 and I don't even own a Bronco.Do have a 84 with a 460 tho.... Oh noooooo,Just remembered,My nephew.He has a 78 Bronco and wants a 460 in it.Maybe he's got it.And he's so young.Oh my.Is it too late????? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:53:24 -0500 From: "G.T. Herpich" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford E250 Ford Shop Manual IMHO you should shop around for the best price on a factory shop manual and buy it. Nothing else comes close and it will only appreciate in value. George H Robert Gunter wrote: > Greetings all, > > I would like to buy the Ford Shop manual for my Van. Problem is, the usual > vendor wants too much. > > I saw this on Amazon: > > Ford 2-Wheel Drive Full-Size, Super Shop Manual, > F-Series Pickup and Econoline Vans Nineteen Sixty-Nine to Nineteen Eighty-Nine > > fIs this the same thing? There was no author listed, or ISBN, just this title. > If anyone has an ISBN that would be helpful. > > I have a couple of the more generic shop manuals passed on by the previous > owner, > but they don't have the detail I would like/need. > > Anyone out there have an extry they could part with?? > > Thanks, > > Rob G. > > The Mystery Machine is a 77 Ford E250 Quadravan, 460 ci, 3.73 gears with a C6 > Tranny. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list-digest V4 #26 ******************************* +----- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 though 1979 Trucks And Vans -----+ | Send posts to 61-79-list ford-trucks.com, || List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+.... 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