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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Intermittent wipers.
RE: FTE 61-79 - Intermittent wipers.
Re: FTE 61-79 - heart of a truck
FTE 61-79 - Replacement Springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines
FTE 61-79 - Re: : [none]
RE: Fwd: FTE 61-79 - Intermittent wipers.
FTE 61-79 - RE:300 6 cyl block
RE: FTE 61-79 - Sale prices?
FTE 61-79 - RE: AFTE - Re: Comments and Thanks, AFTE's contribution...
RE: FTE 61-79 - Long Term Tire Storage
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mech. trouble shooting. The Answer!!!!
FTE 61-79 - Re: Choke Stove
FTE 61-79 - Engine Casting Codes
FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Lines
FTE 61-79 - RE: Intermittent Wipers.
FTE 61-79 - Re: 360 to AOD
FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)
FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap
FTE 61-79 - truck show question

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:13:04 -0500
From: "Brad Smith" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Intermittent wipers.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: aol.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:21 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Intermittent wipers.


> I have a 78 F250. I want to replace the 2 speed dash mounted wiper switch,
> with an intermittent switch. Do any of you all know of any year Ford truck
> that had dash mounted intermittent wiper switch? Please, let me know so I
> could retrofit my truck. Thanks.
>
The intermittent switch was an option in 78, should be able to find one
aftermarket, maybe even at AutoZone or somewhere similar...

Brad


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:23:27 -0800
From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Intermittent wipers.

My '77 E150 has intermittent wipers. Dunno if the switch is the same, but
probably is...


> I have a 78 F250. I want to replace the 2 speed dash mounted wiper switch,
> with an intermittent switch. Do any of you all know of any year Ford truck
> that had dash mounted intermittent wiper switch? Please, let me know so I
> could retrofit my truck. Thanks.



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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:26:26 -0500
From: "Brad Smith" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - heart of a truck

- ----- Original Message -----
From: William S. Hart iastate.edu>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - heart of a truck


> Gary :
>
> > What is the "Heart" of an engine? Or...What gives an engine "Heart"
more
> > than any other single component on it? (I can't wait for the arguments
on
> > this one :-))

I would have to say that if you are comparing an engine to the human body,
you could compare things like the intake and the exhaust to obvioud human
features, and while the intake and exhaust can enhance ones performance, I
would have to say The "trueness" of ones heart (engine) is the determining
factor. That is, how "tight" is the motor, how exact are the clearances,
How many thousandths on the mains, and are they all the same? How bout
those rod bearings? How about the cam bearings? This to me is what gives
the engine it's heart, because once you know you have that part taken care
of, you have confidence to build on....

BUILD ON!!!
Brad


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:24:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Jessee yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Replacement Springs

Does anyone know of a source of replacement springs? I
need a set of coils for a '78 F150 4x4 and a set of
leafs for a '77 F250 4x4. Is anyone on this list fom
or near Bristol Virgina?
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:40:03 -0800
From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines

Howdy Folks,
I've read in the Truck Mags some references to Stainless Steel brake
lines. Anyone had any experience with it? Any idea how it would take a
double flare? Sounds like neat stuff, and that makes me think there is a
catch.
What ya' goin to paint the lines with and are you going to take them
off to paint them? All these things are things that I've been wondering
about.
Thanks
Patsplace
> > > 78 F-150 W/Overloads
> > > 77 F-250 4X4
> > > 79 F-250 4X4 Dream Truck Under Way
> > > 72 F150 Ranger parts truck
> > > 79 F250 Lariat donor vech. for the '79 4X4

, 18 Jan 2000 08:21:35 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines

I just ordered a roll of 3/16 line for the bronco

25' roll of aluminized and zink coated tubing cost me $12 which is enough to
do the whole truck and then some.
Double flaring is a tricky thing to learn but once you get the feel for it
you can do a good flare virtually every time.
- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Joe aol.com> said:
> >Anyone had any experience with any companies that offer pre
> bent brake lines?



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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:52:36 -0800
From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: : [none]

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:22:22 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: [none]

S. Harkema writes: >>What scares me is that sometimes I see the same
picture as Gary :)<<

You need help, S. and you need it now....

The final symptoms are an overwhelming desire to rebuild 460 powered Broncos
that you will use for pothole jumping. At this point this condition is not
reversible. Case in point, Gary.

Patsplace

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:27:12 -0800
From: Don nidlink.com>
Subject: RE: Fwd: FTE 61-79 - Intermittent wipers.

it is really quick and easy to find em at junk yards...just reach in thru
drivers window,turn wiper knob to the left and if it goes to the leftfor a
ways, thats the siwtch. I collected about 4-6 of these and have given them
away to friends and such..usual cost at junkyard was about 10 bucks for
swicth and "brain box".
Don

At 08:46 1/18/00 -0600, you wrote:
> > > Check an '80 to '86 f-series
> > >
> > > Do they plug into the earlier harness?
> >
>
>There is a tech article on the FTE site about this.
>
>I replaced the intermittent box on my sister's truck last Christmas. Dad
>figured it was the only thing missing on her truck and bought her the switch
>and box, only available from Ford unfortunately ... turned out she had the
>stuff already just that the box was burned out, so I got a switch for
>Christmas :) I still haven't gotten the box yet ($50 if I remember right,
>Ford only part new)...
>
>Oh yeah, her truck is a 91 ...
>
>Just my $.02
>wish
>
>96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
>73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:34:08 -0500
From: "Tony Kelsey" scsinternet.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:300 6 cyl block

I know this question seemed a little extreme but i thought i'd ask. This is
a fairly modified block and the machine shop wants aprox $900 to duplicate
another block to match.I purchased the hole thing in pieces fairly cheap so
i've got all the parts to build a decent motor it just may not be the same
as the original one. Does anyone know if Tony Marino is going to have his 6
cyl. site operational in the near future.
> I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the maximum a 300 block could
> be bored to.The block currently is .050 over with 390 pistons in
> it. It has
> a scored cylinder and i was wanting to know if i could go to the first
> oversize in a 390 piston.
>

Yikes, I think I'd have the sucker sonic checked to be sure it would take a
bore ... or just get a motor from the salvage yard and use that block ...





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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:23:35 -0700
From: "Idahoans" earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Sale prices?

Refresher: I'm trying to figure out how much to ask for my truck. A
kind soul named Gary wrote:

> Give us some specifics on the truck as to condition, mileage, power
> train, other features etc. and we'll try to narrow the price range
> down for you :-)

Thanks. :) It's a 1971 F-100/Ranger, short bed, 6-cylinder engine,
automatic transmission and power steering. I *think* the automatic
is original and the PS was added by the previous owner. It has
points rather than an electronic starter. It's in great shape
mechanically -- giving us some trouble on cold mornings, but it
runs reliably. I can't be sure what the mileage is because it's rolled
over! We've only owned it for 4 years, so I don't know how much
the total really is. The previous owner put in a new engine, and I'm
guessing that engine has about 60-70K on it.

We paid $2500 for it in 1996. Since then we've gotten the engine
and transmission fixed up, so it runs much better. The body was
in pretty good shape when we bought it, with just a bit of rust here
and there. We sprayed on a protective coating on the floor of the
cab and in the bed to prevent that from getting worse. We have
added a pickup shell which cost us about $300. The truck has a
sliding rear window and we got a sliding window in the shell also,
so we can open them both and talk to the kids or whoever is riding
in back. :)

The only major mishap we've had is that the rear axle broke back in
1997. We had it fixed in a hurry (we were in the process of a cross
country trip at the time), so one rear wheel is about 1/2" higher
than the other. It hasn't affected the driveability and I don't think it
would be noticeable if we didn't look for it. We've recently had a
tune up and replaced the master cylinder, and it doesn't need any
other work done to it. Oh, it's also missing the passenger side
mirror, but the bar is still there to mount a new one.

The interior is pretty rough. It's bare metal inside the cab, and the
bench seat cloth is torn on the driver's side. The heat works really
well, and it isn't equipped with AC. It does have an AM/FM stereo
with cassette player. We only have one speaker hooked up, but
the buyer could add another.

OK, I think that should cover it. Let me know if you need any more
information, otherwise let the figures fly! :) BTW, if anyone on the
list is interested, feel free to email me privately. We would
consider delivering it, depending on where you live and the selling
price.

Thanks for your help,

Carla


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:44:32 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: AFTE - Re: Comments and Thanks, AFTE's contribution...

At 09:17 AM 1/18/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Well gang, the deadline is past and I counted up what I have so far which
>totals $365 plus my contribution. I will check the box one more time

We're going to be really close as to whether we can buy a
laptop for our annual charity. I'll see what I can do.
We may yet be able to pull this off! I've got roughly
$400+ in contribution. I need to check with Peggy to get
a final total. It won't be the biggest and fastest system
around, but it will do the job!

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:46:29 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Long Term Tire Storage

At 08:41 AM 18:1:00 -0600, William S. Hart wrote:
>> Anyone know the best way to store tires to avoid dry-rot, flatspots,
>> etc?
>> These tires often sit for months at a time, right now I have
>> them in the warm basement on wood palates standing up right, inflated
>> to normal pressure covered with blankets. Love that smell in my
>> basement! Anyone have any other tips on how to preserve these?
>>
>
>
>This question came up for race tires as well, we dont' autocross much in the
>winter, so the tires just sit ... the best thing we came up with (cheap of
>course) was to just lay them flat in the basement where they were warmish
>(of course mine are still in the garage 'cause I'm lazy) ... anyway the
>biggest thing was laying them flat, if you stand them up like they normally
>are on a vehicle you are more likely to end up with flat spots ... a bigger
>deal for the softer compound race tires, but still a deal for regular tires
>too (harder to get flat spots out of a harder tire )
>

I asked my buddy the tire pro, he said "laid down, cardboard or
wood underneath, wrapped is best, so they don't dry out, if too
big to wrap, get some visquene and cover them". Oh yeah he
also said if you stack them, make sure they aren't rubber to rubber,
seperate the tires with cardboard or visquene. Something about
gassing and moisture will have the tires eating themselves.

I'm no tire guru, thats why I asked him, he started to go off on
tangents that basically confused me. He knows way to much
about tires, if you ask me....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:46:32 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mech. trouble shooting. The Answer!!!!

At 04:56 PM 18:1:00 -0500, G.T. Herpich wrote:
>
>
>Craig Cantrell wrote:
>
>> Nylon gears? Has it been that long? I don't remeber nylon in a '67 289.
>

>Gary's right about centering the seal. They almost always leak when you
leave the pan
>tight. But then the pan may leak
>if you just break it loose without replacing the gasket.
>

The trick to installing the front cover is to install the oil pan bolts snugly
first. then install the upper cover bolts loosely, then tighten tne oil pan
bolts til the gasket has the right amount of "squish", then tighten all the
rest of the bolts around the front cover. You shouldn't have any oil seal
leaks if you do it this way.....

BTDT....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:08:11 -0800
From: Tim Bowman USWEST.NET>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Choke Stove

Rob:

You should be able to manufacture one of those lines from brake line
procured from your local auto parts store. I've done it many times for
the 352-390 series engine and it's very inexpensive. If you need the
insulation, it's available from Tbird reproduction vendors. I've got
the references if you need them.

- --
Tim Bowman
71 F100
Burien, WA
tkbowman uswest.net


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:09:20 -0800
From: Tim Bowman USWEST.NET>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine Casting Codes

Is there a website reference for looking up Ford engine casting codes?
I've got books for 60-65ish, but would like codes for newer blocks.

- --
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowman uswest.net


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:00:08 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Brake Lines

> Joe wrote: Anyone had any experience with any companies that offer pre
bent brake lines? <


Joe, I have never used such a company but I planned to try them on my next
project. If you happen to make it down to the Columbus Spring Swap (All
Ford) in Columbus, OH this April there is a company with a Big Red trailer
just inside the door to building #1 that makes nothing but factory spec pre
bent brake lines. And they do a beautiful job! I am not sure of the name of
the company but I will check them out closer when I go this Spring. You
probably have to drop your order and come back in a few hours to pick them up.

Good Luck!




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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:12:33 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Intermittent Wipers.

Many of the 73-79' Ranger XLT's & Lariats came with the Intermittent Wipers
as part of their Option Package. Go to your salvage lot and find one of
these trucks that has it and remove the Wiper Switch and the Black box rely
which is mounted under the switch as well as the short Pig Tail Wiring that
runs between them. All combined they should not cost you more than about
$10. These parts are direct bolt-in and plug-in to the wiring harness
already on your truck. Or you can buy them new from Ford for around
$50........ Personally, I have bought about 10 sets from salvage yards and
never got a bad unit yet!

Good Luck!!

Dan Herrmann


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:19:45 -0600
From: Brett L Habben juno.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 360 to AOD

If you're stuck on making a tranny swap the least amount of work would be
the Borg Warner 3 speed overdrive that was optional at the time. The
other manual OD tranny that'll bolt up is the late 70's -mid 80's T&C 4
speed toploader where 4th is actually overdrive. The mid 80's versions
with the shifter cane sticking out the top cover have larger bearings and
are a little stronger.
Brett
Super75cab
> I have a 72 f-100 with a 360 and 3 speed manual transmission. I'm
> running 3.50:1 gears in the rear end and it sucks alot of gas.
> I was wanting to put
> somekind of overdrive transmission in it to make it more highway
worthy.
> Is there anything that will work? Does anyone make an adapter for a FE
> block to bolt to an AOD?

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:37:14 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann in-motion.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - COLUMBUS SPRING SWAP (All Ford)



Hello! To all of you interested in attending this years Columbus Spring
Swap the dates are April 1st & 2nd (Saturday & Sunday). This is an all
Ford Swap Meet and probably the 2nd largest in the country. It is held in 4
different buildings at the Columbus Fairgrounds and also includes an all
Ford Car Corral..... I have been attending for 2 years now and it takes me
the full 8 hour day to see everything. And I am there just looking for
Truck parts myself.... There is plenty of truck items within the show but
you do have to be careful. There is always a bunch of the NOS Ford Parts
Dealers there with plenty of truck items, but they'll drain you checkbook
if you let them!! So good luck and happy shopping!!


Dan Herrmann
1964 F100 Custom Cab
1966 F100 Custom Cab
1969 F100 Ranger
1975 F150 Explorer
1979 F150 Ranger XLT
1992 F150 Custom (Daily Driver)
1992 Tempo GL (Wifes car)



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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:07:36 -0800
From: Carver ncwebsurfer.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap

I have to drive the truck on Thursday since my
commute vehicle will be in the shop. I've been
avoiding driving in the rain since I found the
windshield leaking horribly. I had to lay
towels on the dash to soak it all up, too much
to be able to keep up with wiping!

Tonight I went out and sealed it up. I scraped
away the old silicone. A plastic ice scraper
worked great. I could easily get a popsicle
stick with a cloth on it between the glass and
seal at the top! fro cleaning!

I removed the old hard stuff and squeezed some
new silicone in the joints. It's been raining
for a few days (finally) so I used an old hot
air popcorn machine as a heat gun to warm things
up a bit.

We'll see if the joint is sealed if it is raining
on Thursday.

Any ideas on how to fill the 1/4" gap in the brand
new seal at the top of the door between the seal
and the not-in-right-place body?

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 01:05:49 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Gap

In a message dated 1/18/00 10:00:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,
carver ncwebsurfer.com writes:

<< It's been raining
for a few days (finally) so I used an old hot
air popcorn machine as a heat gun to warm things
up a bit. >>

Now that is a real good example of putting your resources to work!

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:44:03 -0800
From: Scott grossen ucs.orst.edu>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - truck show question

I was at R&P last year in feb., and the owner mentioned that i had just
missed an all truck show in puyallup washington, does anyone know
anything about this i would like to go im looking for ideas for the
interior of my truck

Scott
79 F-150 4wd
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