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61-79-list-digest Sunday, January 16 2000 Volume 04 : Number 021



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 65 custom cab
FTE 61-79 - compression/ and questions
FTE 61-79 - Super Cab Gas Tank
FTE 61-79 - Instrument panels
FTE 61-79 - poping carb after a cold start up
RE: FTE 61-79 - Super Cab Gas Tank
FTE 61-79 - Rust resistant coatings for the ages
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rust resistant coatings for the ages
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79 Now it's MPG
FTE 61-79 - 300 Fuel Pump
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4.6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rust resistant coatings for the ages
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE List
FTE 61-79 - Driving trip
FTE 61-79 - FTE List

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:51:29 EST
From: A61fordtruck aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 custom cab

Hey everybody,
I've got a '65 custom cab long bed F100 that would make a good project. it
is a Texas truck, with some rust on the floor, bed, and a quarter-sized drip
rail rust hole. All the trim is there, except for the interior door trim has
been swiped. it is uncut and a factory automatic. it runs decently, has
blowby, and needs a trans ( still has factory cruze-o-matic) needs TLC, but
could be made a driver with a new trans. I was going to use it for a parts
truck, but dont have the heart to dismember an original classic.

Greg Schnakenberg
61 stepside
65 custom cab (for sale)
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:07:56 -0600
From: ballingr bootheel.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - compression/ and questions

> > It depends on which heads you use. The early style 61-65
> heads (they are
> > supposed to be 71.2 74.2cc's, but mine came out to
> 74.2-74.8ccs, yielding
> > 9.35 to 1 CR with .005 milled from the block deck) with
> the squared off
> > chambers will give you 9.5 to 1 or thereabouts with a TRW
> L2291F forged
> > flat-top. They come up to .015 below 0 deck on an uncut
> deck, mine are
> > right at .010 below 0, and with the .041 gasket thickess
> the quench distance
> > is just about right .051, with an uncut deck it would have
> been .056, still
> > within the .060 guideline for quality combustion.

>So, what is the best deck clearance for this engine? >How would it respond
>to 0 or near 0 deck clearance?

A Fel-Pro Permatorque head gasket is .041 compressed. It's thicker than the
OEM gasket (If I remember right they were only .020 thick) and will drop the
CR a little bit over the stock ones. An engine with a quench chamber like
the FE has, works best with a quench distance of no more than .060. Quench
distance is the clearance between the piston and the closed area of the
head. So at 0 deck you will have .041 quench distance, and the engine will
have better mixture motion and make more compression. It also reduces the
tendency to detonate even though the CR is higher.

L2291 TRW flat tops come up .015 below 0 on an uncut deck. In my engine the
decks were cleaned up and the deck clearance is .010, making the quench
.051. With my 74.5 (averaged) heads this will yield about 9.35 to 1 CR.
This to me is the most realistic combination for the early heads. Sterling
H304P pistons are hypereutectic and are dished for use with the small
chamber heads and will yield 9.0-9.5 to 1 (I've not done the math, just
using what they said they were) with them. I don't know their deck spec,
but they look just like the factory 390 2V dished piston. They came up to
the top pretty well in a 390. The flat tops (I think the factory 390 4V
ones actually came up closer to 0 than the TRW's too) with the small
chambers (most but not all 66-76 heads) will get up there about 9.7-10 to 1.
Coming to 0 deck would raise it another 1/4 point. If you used a stock
gasket you'd be in the 10-10.5 to 1 area that the factory claimed for these
engines.




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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:28:03 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine" navix.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Super Cab Gas Tank

I've been away from the list for about three months, it's good to come back
and see the familiar names providing a steady stream of quality posts.
I need help locating a new front gas tank for a '78 f-250 Super Cab. I find
lots of sources for the std. cab trucks, but none for the super cab.
Does anyone make an exact replacement?
If there is no exact replacement, what kind of problems will there be trying
to fabricate mounts for a universal tank. Anyone else tackled this problem?
thanks,
dale
'79 f-150

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:23:32 -0800
From: "Chris Samuel" email.msn.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Instrument panels

I have a 79 Bronco, and a 75 F250 4x4.
The Bronco has changed build up directions several times over the last 2
years. The latest change is to a pure off road toy, while remaining
"technically" street legal. However it is going on a severe diet, creature
comforts & aesthetics are being sacrificed for functionality and weight. The
entire Dash is coming out to make room for the roll cage. This is no great
loss as the pad has a chip on the front edge, and some extra holes. The new
"dash" is all aluminum and will be filled with Autometer gauges.
The instrument cluster in the 75 has seen better days. Will the 79
instrument cluster just plug into the 75? The only difference that I can see
is the 75 has a low MPG light and the 79 doesn't, no big the light isn't
working and with the 460 that's a good thing as at 7MPG it would be on all
the time! (yes, I know it runs on vacuum)

Does anyone have the physical specifications for the "shunt" type AMP gauge
in the 73 up trucks? Just what is suppose to be there to make the gauge
work?
Is there a specific distance between the two tap points on the AlT primary
wire? Will the type of connection at this point (crimp-vs-solder) make a
difference?
Will the strand count of the wire affect the functionality?
Will gravitational flux interfere with the reluctance capacitance if the
framisoidial thingamawhoosit, if there is one during these years?


TIA
Muel


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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 12:56:05 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie home.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - poping carb after a cold start up

Hi everyone, got a quick question for you. When i start my 74 F250 4x4
with a 360 in the mornings or after it has been sitting for a few hours
and i go to drive a way the carb pops and the motor bogs down almost
dieing. If i keep it revved up to about 2000 when i take off then the
popping does not occur all the time, but any time the rpms are about
1000 and i go to take off it pops away and bogs down hard. What can be
done to solve this problem. I have a manual choke in, but i have it set
up so that it does not completely close tight (should it??? but still it
should be closed all the way after driving for a few mins). I also
don't have the stock air cleaner so no hot air intake...

also which way do you turn the cold idle adj. screw to lower the revs
revs. Save a little time out in the cold at -35c

Thanks for your help.

ps This week I tested my truck with cold weather starts for the fist
time (first winter with truck). The temp was down to about -35C last
week. took a lot of gas to get her going but she started every morning.
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:48:30 -0500
From: Marvin Meyer strat.net>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Super Cab Gas Tank

I had mine dipped several yrs ago, ( 6 i think), still know leaks and a
life time warranty to boot,(in Ontario Canada) i think it was epoxy dipped
not sure.
Marvin
Stratford,Ont
Does anyone make an exact replacement?
If there is no exact replacement, what kind of problems will there be
trying
to fabricate mounts for a universal tank. Anyone else tackled this
problem?


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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:24:04 -0600
From: oldfords63 juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rust resistant coatings for the ages

A few days back Gary P. was asking what would be a good coating to put on
his new cab / frame mounts. I was gone a few days but wanted to recommend
POR-15. That stuff is as close to bullet proof as I've found. It runs
about $30 a qt. It's a moisture curing urethane, so it gets stronger with
exposure, and it can be topcoated. I've used it; Bill Hirschs'and
Eastwoods versions over the years and been real impressed with the
results.
Archeologists, thousands of years from now will find your frame, and
marvel at the way it has been preserved ! "Look, it's a 460 Ford with a
wide ratio C-6 !! Man, these people were advanced !"
Good luck, Phil :-)
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:42:50 -0800 (PST)
From: "D. DiMartino" yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rust resistant coatings for the ages

this stuff must be good from all the people who have experiance
with it. but as i said before in my sermon about rust, all rust
must be removed!! i know some use this POR-15 right over rust
and think it has some molecular miricle bonding properties but i
say hog wash. clean clean clean is the only way to go!!

- --- oldfords63 juno.com wrote:
> A few days back Gary P. was asking what would be a good
> coating to put on
> his new cab / frame mounts
> POR-15 is as close to bullet proof as I've found.
>

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Daniel DiMartino
yahoo.com>
1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:48:11 -0600
From: Brett L Habben juno.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79 Now it's MPG

Ever compare a '79 to an '80 head on? One of my old magazines
introducing the "all new '80 Ford Pickup" goes into the effort Ford put
into improving the mpg of their trucks. The rounding off of the front
end, and new cabin roof profile had 15% less aerodynamic drag at hiway
speeds. Then they went on a major weight reduction program, which led to
those economy F100's with the stamped front radius arms and the small
bolt pattern hubs. You could even get the 3.8 V6 as an option in '82
with an EPA highway mpg rating in the mid 20's.
The weight reduction had a price. They took what arguably had been the
most rugged truck ever built on the face of this earth and severely
cheapened it. I'm not saying that the '80-up is a bad truck, and I may
drive one one day. But they're just not the same as the 70's trucks.
Also, don't leave your West Coast mirrors hanging out in the breeze like
a couple of parachutes if you're not using them.
Every little bit helps.
Brett,
Super75cab

>My understanding is that the spoiler should actually be more effective
on
>a truck b/c there is more distance from the front bumper to the ground.
>The idea was that air travelling under the truck hit all kinds of stuff
and
>created considerable turbulence.
>Ohio Bill
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:16:40 -0800
From: "S.Harkema" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 300 Fuel Pump

There was a question regarding 300 fuel pumps with and without a "can"
under them.First off the can is indeed a filter,a nice large replacable
paper one at that.FEs have a similar set up with both pumps available.I
prefer the pump with filter and if the "filtered" will bolt on a 300 I
would go for it.
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:51:57 EST
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4.6

Hey all
I talked to some one a while ago and he sent me a picture of his 95 crown
vic, cant remember his email adress and aol messed me all up so if the person
who sent me the picture of his crown vic write me please !!!!
Travis
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:03:09 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rust resistant coatings for the ages

At 04:42 PM 15:1:00 -0800, D. DiMartino wrote:
>this stuff must be good from all the people who have experiance
>with it. but as i said before in my sermon about rust, all rust
>must be removed!! i know some use this POR-15 right over rust
>and think it has some molecular miricle bonding properties but i
>say hog wash. clean clean clean is the only way to go!!
>
>--- oldfords63 juno.com wrote:
>> A few days back Gary P. was asking what would be a good
>> coating to put on
>> his new cab / frame mounts
>> POR-15 is as close to bullet proof as I've found.
>>

My favorite paint retailer is an old body man, he told me one
horror story about POR-15. If you use it to stop rust from spredding
you're wasting you time, because when you decide to fix it right, you
wont be able to get the stuff off. Seems a buddy of his used it to
protect a 50 Ford, painted the car with a roller, a good thick coating,
lotsa protection.....they wound up chipping it off with a needle scaler.

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 00:48:10 EST
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE List

In a message dated 1/14/2000 8:57:02 PM EST, TBeeee aol.com writes:

< < I will be away for an extended period > >

Our thoughts are with you ..
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:11:14 +0100
From: "jgolden" <351m surf1.de>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driving trip

We took our 79 F150 Supercab, 351M/C-6 on its first long trip since arriving
in Germany. We droveit 150 miles north to Oberhausen. They got a big mall
up there. It was up and down hill all the way, sort of like driving from
Memphis to Virginia. We pushed 70-80 most of the way and the inside of the
truck was loaded with us and our neighbors. We got there and back on a tank
and a quarter. It never overheated and ran smooth all the way. The German
citizens just stare at the truck. It was a good trip.
Also, I went down to Hanau yesterday, Ate at the rod and gun club. I saw a
79 Bronco/with stacks. it was sitting by the mud race lot and no one was
around. So alll I got to do was look at the out side of the truck. Jesse
351m surf1.de


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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:18:54 PST
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