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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE VS the new 5.4
RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - rattling and hard start
RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - T-19 trans information.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - firewall paint removal
RE: FTE 61-79 - firewall paint removal
FTE 61-79 - EFI Fuel Pump
RE: FTE 61-79 - EFI Fuel Pump
RE: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump
FTE 61-79 - fuel pump life
FTE 61-79 - scary stuff
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 engine rebuild (propane)
FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion
FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump
RE: FTE 61-79 - scary stuff
FTE 61-79 - T19
RE: FTE 61-79 - fuel pump life
RE: FTE 61-79 - Glove box replacement solution for 1cent.
RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)
RE: : FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion
RE: FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion
RE: FTE 61-79 - Gary and ethanol
Re: FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion
FTE 61-79 - Say.....Ken, about that ford link...
RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)
RE: : FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Update - fire
FTE 61-79 - Re: Elec fuel pump - >clarification, vacuum diagram
Re: FTE 61-79 - Update - fire
FTE 61-79 - New Vs. Old
RE: FTE 61-79 - Gary and ethanol
RE: FTE 61-79 - New Vs. Old
RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)
FTE 61-79 - Cold Weather driving; SOLVED!
Re: FTE 61-79 - New Vs. Old
Re: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion
Re: FTE 61-79 - rattling and hard start
Re: : FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:21:58 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE VS the new 5.4

Yeah and my stroked, double supercharged 300 I6 will pull them both up there
without even turning a tire.....:-) Heck, even my lawmower with it's dual
over head quad cam Chinook APU engine would.........and.....Why, I even
supercharge my muffler bearings.......

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> > > > Ok. one question:
> > > > If someone were to put a 97 f-150 4x4 5.4L SOHC
> > and a 77 f-100 4x4
> > >390cid
> >
> All I know, is that my SUPERCHARGED 1999 Ford
> Lightning's 5.4 liter engine would pull both trucks up
> to the top of mount everest without even breaking a
> sweat.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:25:07 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)

I wonder what would happen with rhino liner for paint on those standoffs,
would they last till I die? I'm thinking about just doing one at at time
and blasting them and painting with several coats of imron, what do you
think? I hate rust more than an unfaithfull woman......:-(

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> The urethane mounts have a metal ring molded right into the bottom of
> upper mount. It is designed to fit into the hole of the frame
> standoff,
> to further help the bushing from moving around. Even though I
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:53:06 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)

In a message dated 1/11/00 6:29:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gpeters3 visteon.com writes:

> what do you
> think? I hate rust more than an unfaithfull woman......:-(

Powder coat. Need I say more?

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:01:58 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rattling and hard start

Is the rattle constant or is it only happening when you accellerate? Try to
give us a little more feel for when it happens and when it doesn't.

The hard starting is a big block thing, 460's do it and 400/351's do it but
it has to be within a certain time span after you shut them off. I
attribute this to fuel percolation due to heat soak but it certainly could
be timing as well. If it is timing then it should buck instantly when you
shut it off and try to restart again right away and this would actually be
the most likely time for this to happen because cylinders, piston tops and
valves are still very hot but with percolation it has to set for a few
minutes to let the heat get to the carb, boil the fuel out into the intake
and then the fuel still has to be there in a very concentrated vaporous
state to cause the kicking which is still timing related but in this case it
is due to the mixture being too rich for the timing setting at that
particular moment. Try to start too soon and the fuel has not vaporized
enough to cause a problem, too late and it is already evaporated and out of
the manifold. Most likely timing would be about 4-5 minutes after shutting
off up to about 10 minutes or so. You get essentially the same thing if you
try to start the hot engine with the choke all the way on, it will kick and
back fire like mad until it floods and then it won't fire at all of course
:-) Set your electric choke too rich and you will see what I mean on a cold
day :-)

You can also predictably generate this phenomenon by using hot shot and
putting too much in and then cranking it too slowly. It will backfire and
light up the whole garage. Again it's a timing issue but it's caused by
excessive fuel for the timing advance. The richer the mixture the less
advance you need and leaner needs lots of advance which is why running a
manifold vac line to your dizzy requires a very lean idle since the idle
advance is about 40 degrees.

Here's what I've learned about this so far.....when you expect the hot soak
conditions to be present, don't step on the gas, just crank it with your
foot off and don't even touch it until it starts and if it bucks and
backfires then put it to the floor and hold it til it starts to clear it
out. It usually takes quite a bit of cranking when this happens. Used to
happen all the time to my Norton Atlas with magnetos, never did figure out
how to tune that thing right but I wasn't very experienced back then :-)
Only way to start it "every" time was to stand on the seat and come down
with all my weight on the starter with the throttle in just the right spot
otherwise it would backfire and flood.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Hey folks. Another noise has started coming from my engine.
> Besides the
> ticktickticktickticktick that is so annoying.....I'm getting
> a loud rattling
> sound coming from the front of the engine around the
> distributor areawhen
> the engine is warmed up. It doesn't seem to increase as I
> still lay rubber,
> or seem to decrease at idle.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:04:59 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)

That is actually a good idea. Since I will have them off for each operation
I may as well take them to someone to do this. Now.......where in Adrian
Michingan do you suppose there would be a powder coat place.......:-(

Shoud I perhaps take the powder plunge and buy the system for my shop????

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> > what do you
> > think? I hate rust more than an unfaithfull woman......:-(
>
> Powder coat. Need I say more?
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:08:27 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - T-19 trans information.

And me sitting here with my bronco all ready to go and NO SNOW! Now THAT is
a bummer! :-)

We did have a little black ice this morning though :-) That is the funniest
stuff, slippery in the non-shiny spots and not slippery in the shiny spots,
wierd huh?

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Hello, id like to get some information on the T-19 4spd trans...(any
> information)
> its hard to find anything on this trans..as im looking for a stick
> shifter and can't find one.
> It has a PTO, plate on both sides of the case. It came with a Ranger
> 2spd overdrive.
> Im getting antsie to put it in my truck...(4 feet of snow....bummer)
> Any information on the trans is greatfully appreciated...Thanks.
> Grasshopper.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:12:17 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)

In a message dated 1/11/00 7:08:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gpeters3 visteon.com writes:

>
> Shoud I perhaps take the powder plunge and buy the system for my shop????
>

Yes. I was talking with a neighbor who has just started his own powder
coating business. He originally purchased the eastwood system and had good
things to say about it. He is now using a professional set-up, but
recommended the other. I believe prep is the all important part of the
process. The actual finish part takes much less time and cures faster than
paint. The parts can bolt on as soon as they cool (30 mins.) try that with
paint!

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:18:18 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)

Well, as it happens, I just paid off my credit card so...........:-)
Perhaps a mail order powder coat for small parts, eh?

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> > Shoud I perhaps take the powder plunge and buy the system
> for my shop????
> >
>
> recommended the other. I believe prep is the all important
> part of the
> process. The actual finish part takes much less time and
> cures faster than
> paint. The parts can bolt on as soon as they cool (30 mins.)
> try that with
> paint!
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:25:54 -0800
From: "Charles T." hal-pc.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - firewall paint removal

> anybody know how to fet the inner fenderwells back to the silver color,
mine
> has been painted black, they're still in the truck, engine is going in
soon.
>


I took mine out, sandblasted them and repainted them.
Charlest
79F150 4x4 swb 460

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:34:11 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - firewall paint removal

Then there is the mid eighties ignition switch or glass fuel filters.....I
understand heat will take the paint right off......:-) They don't call it a
fire wall for nuthin....:-)

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> > anybody know how to fet the inner fenderwells back to the
> silver color,
> mine
> > has been painted black, they're still in the truck, engine
> is going in
> soon.
> >
>
>
> I took mine out, sandblasted them and repainted them.
> Charlest
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:08:44 -0600
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - EFI Fuel Pump

>>The single in-tank high/low pressure pump is very expensive and hard to work
on. Typical costs to have someone replace one are in the $300 range and up.
Unless I had a trap door over the sender/pump opening in the tank so I could
yank it easily without taking the tank out I would keep them both outside
the tank myself :-) Course they typically last for years so it's up to you
I guess :-) In the tank they will be protected and out of harms way and
fewer places for your fuel line to leak etc. so there are advantages to both
methods :-)<<

The in tank pump on my Towncar cost about $72 in 1996. It is a Federal-Mogul
lifetime warranty model. I replaced it myself, but I replaced it before the
car quit all together and so I was able to drive the tank almost dry.

JC Whitney has about 5 or 6 external pumps listed for $30 to $50 but no in
tank pumps I could find. I also couldn't find any differential covers for
Lisa.

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1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:17:55 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - EFI Fuel Pump

My son had one replaced and it cost him around $249 by a freelance mechanic
who gave him a break :-) Side tank in a 90 F-150. I think the only source
for that pump was Ford at the time. I didn't have time to do it and he
didn't want to do it so he paid dearly :-( Now that I have my shop, I make
time :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> >>The single in-tank high/low pressure pump is very expensive
> and hard to work
> on. Typical costs to have someone replace one are in the
> $300 range and up.
>
> The in tank pump on my Towncar cost about $72 in 1996. It is
> a Federal-Mogul
> lifetime warranty model. I replaced it myself, but I replaced
> it before the
> car quit all together and so I was able to drive the tank almost dry.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:41:13 -0500
From: "J. Doss Halsey" isl-inc.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump

It has been my experience that RTV turns to slime in contact with gasoline.
It is quite resitant to oil and detergents, however.

I have a hand-made pottery pump-soap dispenser on my kitchen sink. The
artisan that made them sold them off for only $1 because the soap pump
mechanism kept coming loose (it was glued on with epoxy). I re-glued it
several times with epoxy over a period of several years. Then I tried
plain-old blue RTV. That sucker has been on there solid for 10 years!

Doss Halsey
'68 F250 camper special, fresh 390, now with self cancelling turn signals
as of this weekend!

>Black RTV is recommended for intake manifolds and oil pan gaskets so I would
>venture to guess it is as resistant as any. I would not be a bit surprised
>to discover that virtually all RTV is resistant.

>>I also have a quick question. Are there any sealants,
>> silicone or
>> otherwise, that are gasoline resistant? Just curious.




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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:20:22 -0600
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - fuel pump life

>> No problems in 4.5 years seems to be a record of some sort on
an FE the way some of you talk (this isn't a challenge, just a comment, I'm
sure others have made 10+ years on a fuel pump before)<<

Bill's right. The pump I just replaced on Henry was the original making it
20+ years old. If run lots of STP gas treatment and B12 Chemtool through it
over the years. If it shortened the life of the fuel pump, how would I know?
Maybe it should have lasted 40 years? Now, run alcohol through the
driver....that'll shorten the fuel pump life!

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:28:04 -0600
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - scary stuff

>>Luckily she had a cell phone, called her mom
and she hooked her up with the police who cleared the road because she was
doing over 100 mph for about 2 hours before she lost control and ran off the
road and lived to tell about it.<<

These stories always amaze me. The transmission wouldn't go into Neutral?
Park? Reverse? My little brother once trashed a beautiful 67 Riviera because
he chose to try to jump a bar ditch into a dirt field instead of shutting
everything down when the throttle stuck wide open. Sounds like this gal was
looking for some press time IMHO.

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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:40:56 -0800
From: Jamie canadawired.com>
Subject: Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 engine rebuild (propane)

Tom, very good question. I'm sorry, I'm a real rookie at this and
haven't been able to figure it out!! There doesn't appear to be any
kind of direct mechanical connection between the throttle linkage and
the propane system. All I can guess is that it has something to do with
different vaccuum/pressure levels as a result of the carb butterflies in
different positions and these pressure differentials "pulling" more or
less propane. I'm guessing big-time though. John Lord provided some
very good information for me in the V4 #4 digest so maybe he can shed
some light on this. John?? I can tell you though that the system has
worked well for me partly I suspect because I abandoned the option
during the conversion process of being able to run on dual fuel (propane
or gasoline). I know trying to run both fuels has created compromises
in engine performance for many people that have tried - the vehicle
doesn't run well when on gas, or on propane.

John, I'll be contacting you directly with the information you requested
re: the name of the propane system manufacturer. Thank you for the
valuable insight provided in your last response..

Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 06:41:03 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>

Sounds like a very simple setup but I have a question. How does that
setup
control the flow of propane to the engine? Obviously it works for you.

Tom H

> One of the "neat" things about my existing propane setup is that it
> feeds the 360 through my stock air cleaner and 2 barrel carb - no
> special aftermarket carb. During the conversion process the shop cut
> the base off the air cleaner housing and in its place riveted
> a propane
> injection ring (for lack of a better description). The propane line
> from the evaporator runs to this "ring" at the base of the air cleaner

> housing and the air-propane mixture continues through the venturis and

> intake manifold as did the air-gas mixture. All the carb linkages
> remain intact except the manual choke has been disconnected.
> Seems like
> a fairly elegant/simple set-up.
>



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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:06:40 -0600
From: ballingr bootheel.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion

This reminds me of a story I saw on TV about a girl driving down the Eway
out of control because her throttle stuck wide open and the key would not
turn so she couldn't turn it off and the engine was too powerfull for the
brakes so she fried them too. Luckily she had a cell phone, called her mom
and she hooked her up with the police who cleared the road because she was
doing over 100 mph for about 2 hours before she lost control and ran off the
road and lived to tell about it. The police tried everything, got in front
and put on the brakes but she was afraid and avoided them (didn't under
stand what they were trying to do I guess). All they could do was wait till
she ran out of gas or wrecked and hope for the best. They actually had
police footage of the chase.

>>>>>>>

This happened to a guy in our neck of the woods with a new Escort. He ran
over 50 miles wide open and burned up his brakes, and like the girl, used
his cell phone to alert the police. They got the car dealer into the
picture and they had him slam it into neutral and scatter the engine.

I saw a TSB on it also, the new style Escorts and some Contours will do
it.


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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:06:52 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump

John LsG writes: >> Next, start the bottom bolt, but
do not tighten it. You should be applying pressure to make the bolt and
holes line up. Henry's 351m had a stud and nut for the bottom fastener and
a
notch on the bottom of the fuel pump instead of a hole. If you have this
configuration, install the stud, insert the fuel pump, then start the nut.
Now go to the top hole and start that bolt<<

Am I missing something here???? My fuel pumps all have horizonally
parallell bolts!!!! Not familar with the 335 series(even though I have two
of them in my garage), but I am FE and 385 Competent, and both of them have
no top and bottom holes on the fuel pump.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:12:35 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - scary stuff

She was young and inexperienced, I would expect my wife or daughter to do
something similar but my daugher would have understood the idea of pressing
up against a police car to stop it. My wife would have done exactly what
the girl did and avoid them.

Putting it out of gear would be pretty scary too because the engine would
rev like it was going to blow up and she'd just put it back in gear to quiet
it down. When people get scared they don't reason very well :-( I'm not
even sure I would have the guts to sit there and listen to it self destruct,
my spine tingles just thinking about it.....I guess if I were in that
position I would have time to reason on it and do what ever had to be done
but blowing up the engine would be my last resort for sure :-) Just
something about deliberately destroying a thing of beauty like that....:-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> >>Luckily she had a cell phone, called her mom
> and she hooked her up with the police who cleared the road
> because she was
> doing over 100 mph for about 2 hours before she lost control
> and ran off the
> road and lived to tell about it.<<
>
Sounds
> like this gal was
> looking for some press time IMHO.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:17:20 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T19

P Parker writes: >>Hello, id like to get some information on the T-19 4spd
trans...(any
information)
its hard to find anything on this trans..as im looking for a stick
shifter and can't find one.
It has a PTO, plate on both sides of the case. It came with a Ranger
2spd overdrive.<<

I'm not sure this is correct but it is what I've been led to believe.

The T19 is basically a Syncronized 1st geared T18. If that is the case,
then your T19 is a better deal. Those Syncronized 1st gears come in handy.

Is the Ranger 2 speed OD attached or seperate??? What are the ratios???
How large is it physically(length specifically), and does it carry its own
Yokes at the input and output??? How much does it weigh??
Inquiring minds want to know!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:14:29 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - fuel pump life

Especially Ethanol.....:-) Blind and wrapped around a tree.....

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
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> over the years. If it shortened the life of the fuel pump,
> how would I know?
> Maybe it should have lasted 40 years? Now, run alcohol through the
> driver....that'll shorten the fuel pump life!
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:25:58 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Glove box replacement solution for 1cent.

>
> In a message dated 1/10/2000 9:31:22 AM EST,
> Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com writes:
>
> << Maybe so, but I have seen them in a catalog (minus the
> "Property of P.O."
> stencil) for about $35 each. Probably means the gov't spent
> $86.95 each on
> them. ;0) >>
> Yea but those are cardboard ...Right ????

Nope corrigated plastic.

Tom H
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:25:59 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)

>
> In a message dated 1/11/00 6:29:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> gpeters3visteon.com writes:
>
> > what do you
> > think? I hate rust more than an unfaithfull woman......:-(
>

Yeah, at least an unfaithfull woman will go away. ;0).

Tom H
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:25:57 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: : FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion

I think I saw that show or a followup to it and if it's the one I'm thinking
about the girl had made a stupid decision to buy the car in the first place
and wanted out of the payments. The dealership said they had a contract and
wouldn't let her out of it. So she was trying to proove the car was a lemon
and force them to take it back.

Here's a thought, what's wrong with shifting into neutral and then stopping
the car. Better to let the engine blow from overrevving than to endanger
yourself and others in an out of control vehicle.

The girl I'm thinking of did get stopped by a police cruiser who got in
front of her and then stopped both cars. The officer was recognized as a
hero and she got sympathy for owning a bad car. Later she tried the same
stunt in the parking lot and claimed the throttle stuck. No one bought it
the second time.

If the throttle was stuck wide open I think the brakes would have a hard
time bringing it down. How many cars have perfectly maintained or like new
brake systems? (Present company excluded of course :0)). Also as the stock
brakes heat up trying to slow the car down their efficency will drop quickly
and the engine would be more able to overcome them.

Tom H

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) [mailto:gpeters3visteon.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 8:52 AM
> To: '61-79-listford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: : FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion
>
>
> This reminds me of a story I saw on TV about a girl driving
> down the Eway
> out of control because her throttle stuck wide open and the
> key would not
> turn so she couldn't turn it off and the engine was too
> powerfull for the
> brakes so she fried them too.

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:35:28 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion

That was this girls problem, everything they tried to get her to do scared
her more than the speed and she kept hesitating. This guy obviously had a
little more guts or experience. He probably still cringed when he did it
though :-)

Wonder how hard is is to get ford to replace the engine when this happens?
Bet they come right to your house with a big appology and tow it themselves
to the dealer for repairs right?

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
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> This reminds me of a story I saw on TV about a girl driving
> down the Eway
> out of control because her throttle stuck wide open and the
> key would not
>
> This happened to a guy in our neck of the woods with a new
> Escort. He ran
> over 50 miles wide open and burned up his brakes, and like
> the girl, used
> his cell phone to alert the police. They got the car dealer into the
> picture and they had him slam it into neutral and scatter the engine.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:52:50 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Gary and ethanol

Someone wrote:

> > All I know, is that my SUPERCHARGED 1999 Ford
> > Lightning's 5.4 liter engine would pull both trucks up
> > to the top of mount everest without even breaking a
> > sweat.

And Gary responded:

> Yeah and my stroked, double supercharged 300 I6 will pull them
> both up there
> without even turning a tire.....:-) Heck, even my lawmower with it's dual
> over head quad cam Chinook APU engine would.........and.....Why, I even
> supercharge my muffler bearings.......
>

Hey Gary, you realize that supercharged lightning is FACTORY. Despite your
beliefs about what is considered a factory vehicle, the truth of the matter
is that you can go down to the local Ford dealer and order a brand spankin
new 00 Lightning with a 5.4L motor and a supercharger. I don't think the
same can be said for any 300 I6's or 460's at the moment.

While the original post may have been slightly irreverent or irrelevant, it
was meant to say that there are other things to worry about than whether or
not a 5.4 can out haul a 6.4L ...


John wrote:

> over the years. If it shortened the life of the fuel pump,
> how would I know?
> Maybe it should have lasted 40 years? Now, run alcohol through the
> driver....that'll shorten the fuel pump life!

Gary replied :

>Especially Ethanol.....:-) Blind and wrapped around a tree.....


Well at least you're in the right position for this. Now I don't agree with
John on this, but I know that you posted just to irritate me on this one ...

My point in my original post was that I had successfully run ethanol for 4.5
years through a stock replacement fuel pump on an FE and had no signs of it
failing. The cool thing about ethanol is the added octane, granted its only
a couple of points, but those couple are the difference between pinging at
8deg advanced and not on my truck. Ethanol being a clean, cheap, renewable
resource is a great answer to this. Now don't go putting ethanol in your
truck and expect it to just run perfectly right away. Most old vehicles
running original stuffs (like pre cat stuff) will not react nicely in the
carb area to that stuff, though I haven't had any problems, most say that
the gaskets in the carb will deteriorate faster, as will the fuel pumps.
The best thing to do if you are going to run ethanol is to fill the tank up,
run a full tank of it, then on the next tank, pop the air cleaner and
re-tune the carb a bit ... you will likely need to lean it out just a touch
...

Don't believe ethanol is the way to go yet ? That's fine, a lot of people
even in this state don't, but I can say it is great, I've been using it for
9 years now (that's all the longer I've had my license, sorry to say) and
haven't had any problems I could relate to that. We've run it in everything
from our 57 Olds, our 69 351W's (3 of em), to my new stang, and I'm sure
Dad's Lightning will be getting a steady diet of it too.

Some of the benefits ?
1) cleaner burning
2) renewable resource
3) no more water in the tank

The ethanol is just enough to absorb any of the moisture that shows up from
condensation in the winter, no more needing to run HEET to be sure the line
is not frozen.

Anyway that's my rant, for more info on the ethanol thing see

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ethanol.org/ethanol_racing.html

And its not just 'cause I'm in Iowa!

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:32:46 -0800
From: "Scott Jensen" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion

> This reminds me of a story I saw on TV about a girl driving down the Eway
> out of control because her throttle stuck wide open and the key would not
> turn so she couldn't turn it off and the engine was too powerful for the
> brakes so she fried them too.

I have a stuck throttle story of my own.

My first car was a 68 Torino fastback GT that I bought from the scrap yard
minus engine. I found a 351c out of a 71 Torino to stuff in it. And I mean
stuff! After the rebuild, I found that the Cleveland is a bit wider than
the original 390, (another story). Anyway, I had to fabricate my own carb
linkage and all the old timers were pretty impressed, for I thought I did a
good brazing job.

After the install, the thing fired right up. I did a little tuning and went
for a drive on the logging road next to the house. Nothing smells like a
fresh motor, and I knew all about breaking it in, but I figured it wouldn't
hurt to punch it just once. Well, I did.

I stomped the pedal so hard that it bent the linkage and jammed, full on.
Everything that started out in the front seat was in the back seat,
including the screwdriver that I'd used as a key. I remember fishtailing a
few times. I hit the brakes as hard as I could. It just maintained the
speed. I put it into neutral, but at that point my life was worth it, to
save that new motor.

All this took just a few seconds and there were corners coming up. I looked
down at the speedometer and it was just passing 100. So I stuck my round
finger it the square ignition switch hole and turned as hard as I could.
Ripped my fingernail almost all the way off. I shook my hand so hard, got
blood all over the interior. But at least it shut the motor off. I was
pretty white knuckled after that.

That was 24 years ago. I still find myself doing things twice then working.
What if this went bad? What would happen? It must have been a good lesson,
because I've been pretty lucky.

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:00:07 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Say.....Ken, about that ford link...

Now that you are a big shot and have all this power how about a direct link
to one of ford's sites where they take complaints? This would be a great
way for ford to improve their service reputation by listening and acting on
the suggestions of irate and inconvenienced and displeased ford customers.
I for one believe they should fix the AOD's out there by installing the
valves which improve the line pressure and preserve the converter clutches
at the very least but there isn't even a TB or program for this that I know
of. I asked about it once and they said there was no program for it.

A link from FTE to a complaint site would go a long way toward improving
their image I would think. Why not mention this to your pal at ford, Mr
Mason?

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:16:47 PST
From: "Don Jones" hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)

>I wonder what would happen with rhino liner for paint on those standoffs,
>would they last till I die? I'm thinking about just doing one at at time
>and blasting them and painting with several coats of imron, what do you
>think? I hate rust more than an unfaithfull woman......:-(
>

I have had good luck using a 2-part epoxy primer topcoated with a cheap
(unhardened) enamel on the backs of replacement and repaired bodyparts.
I like unhardened paint for this because it has a bit of give before it
scratches or chips, and you can brush it on and save the mess of cleaning
the sprayer for small parts.

Don Jones
1970 f-250 4x4 ~Fordzilla~
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:21:51 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: : FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion

The one I saw ended with the car upside down in a ravine. She was pretty
beat up but not permanently injured. The car was basically totaled.

The story I recall was about a GM product which was known to be bad and
which they were not doing anything to fix. As I recall, some good came of
it because of the publicity and GM did have to do a recall or come up with a
fix or something.

The exact problem had to do with a small pin that connected something but
not a long rod like we discussed, it was a small part in the lock itself. I
believe the throttle cable was stuck because of a broken engine mount so she
had lots of things happen at the same time. It could have been an attempt
to get GM to warantee the car I suppose but that's not the impression I
remember from it. If that were the case why would she avoid the police car
attempt? She already got the publicity and made her point??

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

> I think I saw that show or a followup to it and if it's the
> one I'm thinking
> about the girl had made a stupid decision to buy the car in
> the first place
> and wanted out of the payments. The dealership said they had
> a contract and
> wouldn't let her out of it. So she was trying to proove the
> car was a lemon
> and force them to take it back.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:28:54 -0800
From: Tim Bowman USWEST.NET>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Update - fire


According to the local advertising for car dealers, "It's the center of
the known world". In actuality it's a southern suburb of Seattle
located directly west of SeaTac airport.

Mike's a great guy who lives just a few blocks from me and we first met
through this list. We are now officers in a local car club that we've
both participated in. He's got one sharp 72 F100.
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'71 F-100 Sport Custom
Burien, WA
tkbowmanuswest.net


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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:56:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Elec fuel pump - >clarification, vacuum diagram

OK, notice I said 'avoid' alcohol containing fuels. I
have personal experience with Fuel System cleaners
causing problems, but alcohol is only by reputation. I
avoid alcohol containing fuels in my vehicles. I don't
know if some fuels contain methanol instead of ethanol
and if there is a difference in how they affect the
fuel system. Maybe someone can clear this up.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V



>Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:02:19 -0600
>From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
>Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Elec fuel pump -
>clarification, vacuum diagram

>> One other thing to think about is:
>> Don't use any fuel system cleaners, and avoid
>>alcohol containing fuels. These shorten the life of
>>diaphrams and seals. If you think your fuel system
is >>dirty change the filter.

>Now I know this is going to jinx me ... but here
>goes... I think this thing about alcohol shortening
>seal life is a bunch of hooey (is that spelled right?
>:) Anyway 5 years ago this comin summer (must be 4.5
>then huh?)
>I bought a stock replacement fuel pump with a
lifetime >warranty from a no-name local store ... cost
was a >litte over $12 .. it was about 95 degrees that
day and >that was the only time my truck actually left
me at >the side of the road, but it was in town about
3 >blocks from a hardware store, so there was no
trouble >gettin a ride or anything.

>Anyway to make a long story longer, all I ran on that
>pump was ethanol, occasionally pure gasoline, but
only >'cause the ethanol was too expensive or
unavailable >... I can't remember now if I put a new
fuel pump on >when I rebuilt the 390 or not, likely I
did, probably >one from the same place I got the last
one. No >problems in 4.5 years seems to be a record
of some >sort on an FE the way some of you talk (this
isn't a >challenge, just a comment, I'm sure others
have made >10+ years on a fuel pump before)

>Just my $.02
>wish

>96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
>73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:11:45 -0700
From: William Whited ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Update - fire

Well isn't that funny my girlfriend lives in Burien. I have been spending
sometime up there. I will be up there again soon if some of you guys would
like to get together. My truck won't be with me it's along way from El Paso
up there, don't ask how I got a girlfriend up there it's a long story.

William Whited
El Paso TX
74 F100 Ranger Supercab 390
77 F150 Custom 460
Semper Fi

Tim Bowman wrote:

>
> According to the local advertising for car dealers, "It's the center of
> the known world". In actuality it's a southern suburb of Seattle
> located directly west of SeaTac airport.
>
> Mike's a great guy who lives just a few blocks from me and we first met
> through this list. We are now officers in a local car club that we've
> both participated in. He's got one sharp 72 F100.
> --
> Tim Bowman
> '71 F-100 Sport Custom
> Burien, WA
> tkbowmanuswest.net
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:06:22 -0800
From: wicowboy gateway.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New Vs. Old

Ok, just had to do it, last night my buddy was over with his '98 F-250
so i fired up my old '75 with the 390. Got out the barge anchor chains
(each link weighs about 10 pounds). Obviously this isn't and equal
battle i don't wanna start more contriversy but i thought i'd just do it
and report on it. The 98 had 31" BFG Mt's and the '75 had generic
235/85R16's (didn't want to try with the 44's on) Mud tread tires,
trucks otherwise completely stock. Hooked chains to the pintle hitch on
each truck, reciever height was very close on each truck. On dry gravel
(didn't have enough insurance to try it on pavement) with no wind :)
The 98 had a 5 speed with 4.10 gears (41,032 miles) while the '75 had an
np435 (granny gear :) ) and 4.10's (182,431 miles). Put them in Low
gear, lost the slack and let the '98 start to pull slightly to avoid
yanking and parts breakage. On the gas and tires were spinning and
no-one moved. Worth a try.....

So an hour later it was onto the pavement, lots of nagging. Same
scenerio, lost the slack and on the gas. '75 slowly pulled ahead until
we stopped, pulled about 2 feet, although it didn't like it! Smell that
Clutch! Then in 2wd, lost the slack and on the gas, lots of squeeling,
'98 pulled about 2 inches after about 60 sec of squealing.

As we were unhooking the guy who stores his snowmobiles in my barn
pulled up with his '96 Crew-Cab Powerstroke, we hid the chains very
quickly.....

I know this was no-where near an actual test of motor vs. motor but i
think this is kind of how this thread got started, if you hooked one up
to the other what would happen. Before everyone got so technical about
the motors, not that theres anything wrong with that......if not i'm
sure people would still find this interesting.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:35:51 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Gary and ethanol

I'm just teasing all those who are so quick to defend what ever they drive
:-) I think we pretty much all agreed that only a test against a known,
contorlled, equal resistance will determine anything and only by testing the
"application" as a whole will you gain any bragging rights. I happen to be
a fan of supercharging (not turbo charging :-)) and would dearly love to see
a 871 on top of my 460 one day. That of course is impractical but lots of
fun :-) A super charger which puts very little additional resistance on the
engine is certainly a benefit no one can deny but the old, large, roots
types are not particularily efficient even though they are large, shiney and
tough looking :-) (I'd have one in a second if I was given one :-))

I have been a fan of ethanol, actually ethyl alchohol by itself, for many
years. I agree with you but I think ethanol is a waste of our time and
money personally, fix the gasoline or use alchohol, don't mix them because
you lose the advantage of either that way. 10% alchohol will not clean up
dirty gasoline but it reduces the btu considerably while alchohol by itself
is less efficient and lacks the btu/lb but it makes up for it in the mixture
by using more lb's per liter of mixture etc....so it comes out pretty well
power wise when tuned for it.

Gas is efficient and powerful, alchohol is clean but requires roughly 2/3's
more fuel in the mixture.....instead of 15:1 you need about 5:1 with
alchohol which means differnt jets and other things in the system to work
right.

Tree farmers will never have the same clout as oil magnates so it just aint
going to happen but it's a nice dream :-)

BTW, were you refering to my inability to see clearly (take that any way you
want :-)) and careless ways? :-))

The story I heard about ethanol is that the alcohol attacks the heavy metals
in the carb, copper, tin (I'll catch it for this), lead, zink etc. found in
brass and bronze parts so a different material is needed for jets, needles
and seats etc...Never heard anything about rubber parts being affected :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> And Gary responded:
>
> > Yeah and my stroked, double supercharged 300 I6 will pull them
> > both up there
> > without even turning a tire.....:-) Heck, even my lawmower
>
> While the original post may have been slightly irreverent or
> irrelevant, it
> was meant to say that there are other things to worry about
> than whether or
> not a 5.4 can out haul a 6.4L ...
>
> >Especially Ethanol.....:-) Blind and wrapped around a tree.....
>
> Well at least you're in the right position for this.
>
> My point in my original post was that I had successfully run
> ethanol for 4.5
> years through a stock replacement fuel pump on an FE and had
> no signs of it
> failing.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:39:46 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New Vs. Old

What I find interesting is that he would venture to do this with a
relatively nice truck.....where do you suppose all the stones went you guys
were digging out of the road surface? That has got to be hard on paint :-(

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

> gear, lost the slack and let the '98 start to pull slightly to avoid
> yanking and parts breakage. On the gas and tires were spinning and
> no-one moved. Worth a try.....
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:45:57 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)

That's an excellent idea but I think I like the powder coat idea for a resto
project. I plan to do as much as I can as I go and have it right when I put
it back on so will be looking into this idea :-) That coupled with
Anti-Seize will keep them rust free for many years :-)

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
- --

> I have had good luck using a 2-part epoxy primer topcoated
> with a cheap
> (unhardened) enamel on the backs of replacement and repaired
> bodyparts.
> I like unhardened paint for this because it has a bit of
> give before it
> scratches or chips, and you can brush it on and save the mess
> of cleaning
> the sprayer for small parts.
>
> Don Jones
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:01:59 +0100
From: "jgolden" <351msurf1.de>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cold Weather driving; SOLVED!

I must be getting blind. After reading the reply's to my post on cold
weather driving, I double-checked my coolant level, it was good. Then I Let
the engine warm up for fifteen minutes before I drove the 22K's to work. I
took it easy keeping it around 50mph. After getting there I let the truck
idle for 30 minutes, rechecked the guage, it hadn't moved. So I turned the
truck off to make sure the needle wasn't stuck. The needle went back down.
Then I looked closely at the guage and realized I had been reading the
markings wrong. It is indeedoperating between 180-200 degrees. Thanks for
the replies and information. Jess. 351msurf1.de


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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:56:06 -0800
From: wicowboy gateway.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New Vs. Old

Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
>
> What I find interesting is that he would venture to do this with a
> relatively nice truck.....where do you suppose all the stones went you guys
> were digging out of the road surface? That has got to be hard on paint :-(

The '75 i am not to worried about it is in desperate need of a body, the
'98 has seen its share of mud and such, its not babied, its already got
its share of 'character' so he wasn't too worried, didn't seem to harm
it. Its a work truck...also splattered with concrete, a few stones
didn't hurt
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:31:42 -0800
From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)

Welding the washers onto the standoffs was my solution to the problem as
well, they exactly fit the new cab mount rubbers. The only thing that I
found that was other than I expected, was that I had to shim the clip at the
rad bulkhead to bring the fender/hood line up to the door line. I guess that
the washers add probably a bit more than the 1/8" given that they are welded
to the highest point on the standoffs. I used washers as shims on the clip.
Patsplace
78 F-150 W/Overloads
77 F-250 4X4
79 F-250 4X4 Dream Truck Under Way
72 F150 Ranger parts truck
79 F250 Lariat donor vech. for the '79 4X4
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:49:21 -0500
> From: James Oxley thecore.com>
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)
>
> Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
> >
>
> > Anyway, what I've determined is that I will have to remove the rivets on
all
> > the body mounts and restore them one at a time until they are all
restored
> > and painted to protect them from rusting and them bolt them back on
>
> My standoffs where rotted out. I ended up getting 1/8 thick, huge
> washers that I welded in. If you lift the whole side of the body, you
> can get in there to weld them up. The washers I used have exactly the ID
> you need to seat the small metal ring on urethane body mounts. I got the
> washers from McMaster-Carr. If your interested, I get dig up the PN's
> and sizes.
>
> OX



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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:41:45 -0800
From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion

> Strange story! Why didn't she shift to neutral and toast the motor?
Patsplace
78 F-150 W/Overloads
77 F-250 4X4
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:51:45 -0500
> From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
> Subject: RE: : FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion
>
> This reminds me of a story I saw on TV about a girl driving down the Eway
> out of control because her throttle stuck wide open and the key would not
> turn so she couldn't turn it off and the engine was too powerfull for the
> brakes so she fried them too. Luckily she had a cell phone, called her
mom
> and she hooked her up with the police who cleared the road because she was
> doing over 100 mph for about 2 hours before she lost control and ran off
the
> road and lived to tell about it. The police tried everything, got in
front
> and put on the brakes but she was afraid and avoided them (didn't under
> stand what they were trying to do I guess). All they could do was wait
till
> she ran out of gas or wrecked and hope for the best. They actually had
> police footage of the chase.
>
> Scary stuff!
>
> In reality I believe it was her ignorance of mechanics which caused the
> probelem. I just can't imagine a new car with enough power to overcome
very
> briskly applied brakes if applied and held til it stalled, especially on a
> small car like she was driving and especially before it actually gets up
to
> speed but I guess you'd have to act pretty fast to catch it then wouldn't
> you :-(
>
> Being timid doesn't help either. Most of us would have jammed the brakes
on
> hard if the key failed and held them with both feet in a case like
> that.......what do you all think? Would that stop it? I would test the
> theory but I don't want to toast a perfectly good, trashed AOD and almost
> worn out set of brakes doing it :-) I believe if the drive train held up
> even a 460 could be stopped that way.....course something might melt down
> before it died too, just can't say without trying it I guess.
>
> I do know that 11" brakes on a 350 C***y small block running nitro in a
> motorcycle called "Bloody Mary" didn't stop when the ignition failed and
he
> went about 1/4 mile through the woods shedding parts....after that he put
a
> fuel shut off on it :-) This guy actually lived long enough to ride three
> of these things before one got him (I think that's how he died, not sure)
>
> - --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167>



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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:11:11 -0800
From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rattling and hard start

Hi Greg,
Can't help you with the engine problems but maybe I can with the replacement
stuff.
New engine!! Buy a beater rust bucket with a good engine for $500Cdn. and
stick it in. You'll not only get the engine, but all the little bits and
pieces that you can strip off of it, all of which come in handy at some
point. I've found that you can buy the complete truck for a lot less than
you can buy a cab, tranny, motor or what have you.
Patsplace
78 F-150 W/Overloads
77 F-250 4X4
79 F-250 4X4 Dream Truck Under Way
72 F150 Ranger parts truck
79 F250 Lariat donor vech. for the '79 4X4

Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:09:48 -0700
> From: "Greg Sage" home.com>
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - rattling and hard start
>
> Hey folks. Another noise has started coming from my engine. Besides the
> ticktickticktickticktick that is so annoying.....I'm getting a loud
rattling
> sound coming from the front of the engine around the distributor areawhen
> the engine is warmed up. It doesn't seem to increase as I still lay
rubber,
> or seem to decrease at idle. I'm wondering if it could be a bearing of
some
> sort. In the same breath, and probably not related but could be, is I'm
> getting the odd wrr wrr wrr slow hard start(lamens terms, the only I
> know..). It happens when I run the truck...stop, then start it again. If
> it's sat for a while(morning or after work) it starts fine. I've always
had
> a timing problem which the truck runs fine on the road(no missing, but
> knocking on acceleration), but misses at idle and abrubtley shakes the
cab.
> Just have not gotten around to taking a timing light to it as I still need
> to buy one. Would any of these be related to this awfull rattling noise?
I
> would like to get a new engine, but don't have the money for it right now
as
> it is going to be at least $2000 CAN installed.
>
> thanks,
>
> Greg Sage (M/M/29)
> Calgary, Alberta Canada
> 78 F150 2WD REGULAR CAB 351M/400 C6
>
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:58:55 -0800
From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: : FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)

You can scrounge used ones from any scrap yard by using a punch with exactly
a 1/2 OD, inserting it through the top washer and beating the snot out of it
with a heavy hammer or sledge. (I turned a piece of stock to this OD for
about 6 in. and the total unit was about 1' long, 8" to 10" would be
better!) Find a frame with the cab off, insert the punch and go for it.
After a few of them you'll have a set that are OK. Grind off the flare on
the lower (Nut side) before you reassemble, wire wheel them and then I
painted them to prevent rust and away we go. They fit by the bottom unit
fitting up inside the upper unit and flaring/rusting in place. Some people
that I know collect these things as it's a bit of a problem to find good
one's, at least on the BC coast.
Patsplace
78 F-150 W/Overloads
77 F-250 4X4
79 F-250 4X4 Dream Truck Under Way
72 F150 Ranger parts truck
79 F250 Lariat donor vech. for the '79 4X4



> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:50:19 -0500
> From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Body mounts, a quiz :-)
>
> I just re-read this and not sure what you mean by this ring? The ones
I've
> looked at so far are rubber doughnuts with a washer/sleeve on top and the
> bottom one having a washer/nut which, when bolted together bottom out
> against each other to generate the proper preload similar to an upper
shock
> mount. Of course most of the metal is gone so can't tell what they "used"
> to be


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