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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Cab to Frame Mount Kit
RE: FTE 61-79 - Elec fuel pump
RE: FTE 61-79 - steam
RE: FTE 61-79 - Stroker 460 crank FS
RE: FTE 61-79 - tranny/driveshaft question
RE: FTE 61-79 - Update, fires
FTE 61-79 - RE:POWER STEERING
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:POWER STEERING
FTE 61-79 - Re: Dana 60 Parts Suppliers
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 vs 5.4l
RE: FTE 61-79 - Update, fires
Re: FTE 61-79 - PAINTED PUMPKINS?
RE: FTE 61-79 - PAINTED PUMPKINS?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4.6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stroker 460 crank FS
RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE VS the new 5.4
FTE 61-79 - 390 verses 5.4
FTE 61-79 - Cold Weather Driving!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Elec fuel pump - filters?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE VS the new 5.4
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE VS the new 5.4
Fwd: FTE 61-79 - Cold Weather Driving!
FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion
FTE 61-79 - I'm an idiot!
FTE 61-79 - EFI Fuel Pump?
FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump
FTE 61-79 - rusting cab mounts
FTE 61-79 - Question for Bob
Re: FTE 61-79 - I'm an idiot!
FTE 61-79 - 1959 ford f250 4x4 at toys r'us
FTE 61-79 - Steering Wheel question
FTE 61-79 - re-61-79 update
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Wheel question

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 07:43:09 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cab to Frame Mount Kit

What parts are contained in the kit? Most of them do not include the sleeve
or the threaded fender washer that the bolt threads into. If it contains
all these parts then you can safely cut the fender washer and nut, drive the
bolt out and replace the parts. If not you need to try to preserve the
washer and nut along with the sleeve which is a real drag to say the least.

I haven't done this yet since I was able to get them apart and used the old
rubbers but if you can't and you have the new rubber parts then you can use
a reciprocating saw to carefully cut the rubber out of the way and then work
on the sleeve and nut to try to get them apart without damage. with the
rubber in the way it's very difficult to work with.

Jack the body up (protect it with a wide, long board, plywood preferabley or
use the body jack point if it has them) til the frame is hanging and slide
some boards in between the body and frame to support it while you work on
it. Once you have the bolt out you can jack it up a little more to give
yourself some room to clean things up etc. but use jack stands or slip more
wood between them for safety, do not work off of a jack in any case,
ever....

If you are talking about the steel bracketry which is a part of the floor or
frame then you have a whole nuther deal. These kits come designed to be
riveted on place or welded either one and basically fit over the old steel
to reinforce it. I bought two of these and destroyed the boxes before I
realized they were not what I thought and now have no use for them on the
bronco but may be able to use them on the Pickup, not sure yet. In my case
they will be modified and welded in as part of the floor if I use them.

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> I just received my new cab to frame mount kit from
> Dennis Carpenter today. I'd like to have the truck
> out of commission for one day only as it is my only
> form of transportation. Has anyone out there
> installed one of these kits who might have some
> pointers for me? I'd appreciate any info.
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:14:05 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Elec fuel pump

You guys are making an old, wise, experienced (IMNSHO :-)) mechanic blush!
:-( I've had a glass one on my truck for years with no problems but when
glass breaks or cracks it comes completely apart and creates an open wound
to the pump......a very scary thought! I liked it because I could see when
the gas was boiling in the hot summer and was able to diagnose a problem but
clear tubing would have done the same thing and it won't fall apart anD
leave a gaping hole in the system like a glass filter housing would.

The conclusion, all things having been seen (as Soloman once said) is that
gas and glass don't mix.......at least not on a truck or car. Remember the
heavy glass bowl in the carbs on old tractors? It was there to drain off
the water in the tank before starting the engine every morning. We did this
on aircraft too but they were not glass :-) Course this bowl was very
secure and out of harms way but it was still glass......:-(

I'll be taking that off before I run it much more, thanks for the inputs
gang :-)

Anything you put in line with a pump will affect it's flow regardless of how
free flowing it might be. Filters and other pumps will reduce it's ability
to pump but will it be enough to hinder the performance? Can't say :-) All
pumps have check valves in them which have springs to keep them shut. At
the very least this has to be overcome to flow which takes a certain amount
of energy which has to come from the "flow" or pump that is doing the work.
Generally it is said that you can run a pusher pump from the tank to a
mechanical pump and if either one fails then the other will keep the engine
running but I'm not sure that this is really recommended as a "normal" mode
to run in. Since it's highly unlikely that both will fail at the same time
I would recommend running both all the time, put an oil pressure safety
switch on the electric, stick a filter in front of it and put the filter and
pump as close to the tank as you can reasonabley do it for best results.
With both pumps running you may need to use a regulator but on a large
engine like the 460 I recommend two regulators in parallel to ensure
sufficient flow at high rpms or use spring loaded needles and no regulator.
Not sure how much the springs will increase pressure capacity
though.......anyone know?

The safety switch can be wired for three modes which work very nicely:

You can use a toggle switch with double throw double poles (I think (I used
the aux tank switch for this as it has exaclty the contacts you want)) to
allow:

1..on-auto, will not operate when oil pressure is too low even for starting
or can be wired to work off the start ignition feed as well if you use
diodes between the lines. I just turn the key on for a few seconds till I
hear the pump begin to lug and then start

2..on-manual over ride, The pump is connected to the ignition switch Acc
line so that any time the switch is on the pump it on regardless

3..off, The pump is off line and will not operate regardless which is nice
for doing ignition work and other diagnostic stuff without having the pump
run the whole time.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> the plastic shield that clips over about 40% of glass surface
> - did your
> broken glass have this shield wicowboy? Ow.

> I hadn't planned on putting in the cutoff, even after reading
> the posts
> about 'em (though I also haven't consulted my insurance company).
>
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:29:51 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - steam

What you say is quite true but it's all "relative" :-) Now that the
absolute is the same but the relative is lower it is more "thirsty" which is
all I was trying to point out :-)

If I'm not mistaken, my other point is also valid, as air cools there is
less room for it to "hold" moisture and it must get rid of some of it and at
some point the "absolute" humidity also decreases. You can problably show
how the air compacts and the water does too but we all know that at some
point water freezes and begins to expand. Not being a rocket scientist I
would venture to guess that static air at zero, if trapped within an air
tight jar and then heated to 100 degrees would contain less water by weight
than an equal volume of air trapped at 100 degrees, all other things being
equal (Oh boy! here we are wide open...:-)). If you kept the same air in
the same air tight jar then obviously all the water would still be there
somewhere. Not sure what would happen in that case, probably drop out as
ice or something :-)

Try this out....trap high humidity air at 100 degrees, near 100% humidity in
an air tight jar and then take it down to zero......what happens to the
water? Ok, assuming you can keep the seal air and water tight during the
temp changes of course...:-) And there are no flaws in the glass and.....

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> air. When the air
> > cools there is less room and some of the moisture must
> "drop out" as water
> > so cold air has a lower humidity......
> >
> Uhm ... you're talking two different humidities here, there's
> relative and
> absolute

> adding heat the
> absolute stays the same, but the relative is decreased
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:33:53 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Stroker 460 crank FS

Is this a manufactured, steel stroker crank with full size journals or
resized, offset ground stock crank? 3/8 is a heck of an offset? Can you
even offset grind a crank that much without it falling apart? I can see
maybe 0.100" or in the case of the 460 maybe up to 0.115 to make it an even
4.00" stroke but 3/8"?

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> The guy who I bought the pistons and valves for my 400 from
> has a 460 crank
> 3/8" stroked that he is trying to get rid of. If anyone is
> interested please
> email me off list at: bbeyer pacifier.com
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:38:53 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - tranny/driveshaft question

I would guess the two trannys have considerable differences in over all
length don't they?

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> Truck 1: 74 F250 360/3spd on tree
>
> Truck 2: 72 F100 T18 4spd. Originally looks like it had a
> 3spd on tree.
>
> Both have 2pc driveshaft w/center carrier bearing.
>
> Problem is that when I install the front shaft onto the
> tranny and then
> try to mount the carrier to the frame, the carrier holes don't line up
> with the holes in the frame. Both front shafts from the F100 and the
> F250 are the same length,
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:45:20 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Update, fires

There was a recall of electronic ignition switches for years between about
87 and 93 as I recall. My 92 bird was included in that recall as was the 90
tempo. Seems they came up with some kind of IC board thing to put in the
switch to control some stuff and it didn't work too well since it had to
carry the full battery voltage at some point and was subjected to some
severe mistreatment by the operation of the switch I suppose. In any case
they caused quite a few total loss fires over the years. I guess this was
sort of like that module when they first came out which had to be
fixed.......

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> the plant when the smoke comes rolling out from under the
> dash. Luckily,
> he's got his phone with him, but no change. (Car wash, lot's
> of water, no
> money.) Fire dept. put it out. Not till after it was a total
> loss.
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 05:51:17 PST
From: "Stephen Brown" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:POWER STEERING

>Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 23:49:37 CST
>From: "Luke Phillips" hotmail.com>
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING

>Tomorrow I will be changing my manual steering in my 67 F100. Went to
>the
>salvage yard today and purchased the POWER STEERING unit out of a 73
>model.
>I was hoping to find a tilt column but came up on the short end of >the
>stick. I did find a nice steering columnm none the less. The gear box
>and
>hose are in excellent shape. Found the mounting bracket but it was
>slightly
>bent. Nothing that can't be fixed. The pump is off of my 73 460. Also
>found
>a 3 groove pulley, that will help when I put A/C in. I got a really >good
>deal to boot. All that for $175.00. Oh, by the way, the motor is a >240
>I6..

>Has anyone out there performed this project? Any advice will be >grately
>appreciated. I am going to a buddy's house to do the job. He has all >the
>air
>tools! I don't expect any major problems.Cross my fingers. Thanks to >all
>who can help!
Luke Phillips

>67 F100 shortbed
>98 Ford Taurus SE

I haven't tried this yet, but, I want to do the same thing to my 71 F250 -
call me wimpy, but, trying to get around town in that monster with no PS is
getting old fast:-) - let us know how it turns out.


Stephen B.
71 F250 "Custom"

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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 08:37:06 -0600
From: "Howard Bottles" austin.ppdi.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:POWER STEERING

I just did this swap on a 74 F250, bought a rebuilt ps gearbox at
Advance Auto Parts for around $165, rebuilt ps pump for $45, and the
brackets and pullys at the wrecking yard for $45. I did have to swap the
steering column also, the ps column is shorter than the manual column.
It all went in ok, and steering is great now.

howardb

Stephen Brown wrote:
>
> >Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 23:49:37 CST
> >From: "Luke Phillips" hotmail.com>
> >Subject: FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING
>
> >Tomorrow I will be changing my manual steering in my 67 F100. Went to
> >the
> >salvage yard today and purchased the POWER STEERING unit out of a 73
> >model.
> >I was hoping to find a tilt column but came up on the short end of >the
> >stick. I did find a nice steering columnm none the less. The gear box
> >and
> >hose are in excellent shape. Found the mounting bracket but it was
> >slightly
> >bent. Nothing that can't be fixed. The pump is off of my 73 460. Also
> >found
> >a 3 groove pulley, that will help when I put A/C in. I got a really >good
> >deal to boot. All that for $175.00. Oh, by the way, the motor is a >240
> >I6..
>
> >Has anyone out there performed this project? Any advice will be >grately
> >appreciated. I am going to a buddy's house to do the job. He has all >the
> >air
> >tools! I don't expect any major problems.Cross my fingers. Thanks to >all
> >who can help!
> Luke Phillips
>
> >67 F100 shortbed
> >98 Ford Taurus SE
>
> I haven't tried this yet, but, I want to do the same thing to my 71 F250 -
> call me wimpy, but, trying to get around town in that monster with no PS is
> getting old fast:-) - let us know how it turns out.
>
> Stephen B.
> 71 F250 "Custom"
>
> ______________________________________________________
> >
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 07:46:25 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Dana 60 Parts Suppliers

This place came highly recommended to me. They carry only the best
quality parts at good prices. They also have a good selection of used
parts. Fast shipping too.

A couple of weeks ago I ordered a spider gear set and u-joints (Spicer
brand) for my front D44. The parts were here in 2 days.

West Coast Differentials
www.differentials.com


Mark in Southwest Washington
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:18:15 -0800
From: "Scott Jensen" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 vs 5.4l

I think if you were to let your friend drive his 97 for 25 odd years,
then hook chains with your F100, he wouldn't be left with much of a truck.
I have a 76 F100 that had at least 6 owners before me and was driven hard
all it's life. Everything I replace seems to make the thing run new again.
The only thing I've found not built to last is the door panels.
We get new trucks in the shop, all clean and shiney. But then to see them
again after a few years! The ones that are treated like daily drivers
aren't too bad, but then, those guys really only needed a car for their
company rig. It's the work trucks that are true test, IMO. The new body
styles are aerodynamic, but more of a light outer shell, than a protective
body. The interiors are mostly plastic, which is nice from a safety
standpoint, but it seems that every new year has fewer fasteners and more
pop in panels. I guess this is just the way it's going to be. I think
salvage yards are going to be a lot different in 20 years.

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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 11:38:34 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski ford-trucks.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Update, fires

I forwarded all of your replies to this guy. He had mentioned the
recall, but not whether he had gotten the notice or not. My 88 1/2 Escort
GT was included in that recall. The new switch was $2 on the invoice, and
it took all of 15 minutes. They paid of course. Now I can remove the key
while the car is still running.
While I'm at it. The drivers side quarter glass on my Escort got
busted out. My wife called the glass shop for an estimate. $1233. This is
not a mistype. Since Ford spun off their parts div. into Vistion (sic) they
jacked some of their prices out of sight. Luckily, the local recycler had
it for $35. $105 to put it in. I'm still shaking my head over that first
estimate though.
Now out to put a new fuel pump on the truck. I pulled the canister
filter and it had about an 1/8" of sediment in the bottom of it. Changed
the filter, made it to work but not back. Such is life I guess.


At 08:45 AM 1/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
>There was a recall of electronic ignition switches for years between about
>87 and 93 as I recall. My 92 bird was included in that recall as was the 90
>tempo. Seems they came up with some kind of IC board thing to put in the
>switch to control some stuff and it didn't work too well since it had to
>carry the full battery voltage at some point and was subjected to some
>severe mistreatment by the operation of the switch I suppose. In any case
>they caused quite a few total loss fires over the years. I guess this was
>sort of like that module when they first came out which had to be
>fixed.......
>
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>78 Bronco Loving, Gary
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
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Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
' 63 F-100
parts truck

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:56:21 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - PAINTED PUMPKINS?

In a message dated 01/08/2000 12:28:50 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:

<< Isnt this the reasoning behind the billions of lights, 50 lb bull hood
ornaments, and low profile tires I see on a lot of Broncos runnin around
Vegas? Oh and we cant forget dingle ball interior trim. >>

LOL Hey now, don't be dissin the hood ornaments LOL I got horns just waitin
to be attached to my hood LOL!

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:15:31 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - PAINTED PUMPKINS?

Yeah, I'm going to put the lincoln hood ornament on my bronco and that trunk
lid key logo doflingy on the tail gate where the keyhole is and.....

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> LOL Hey now, don't be dissin the hood ornaments LOL I got
> horns just waitin
> to be attached to my hood LOL!
>
> *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:28:54 EST
From: TWL1911aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4.6

Hey all
i know this isnt to FTE related but if theres anyone out there that owns a
crown victoria prefered 92-95 with the 4.6 in it could you send me your
opinions on the motor tranny and so forth and if they have a poilice
intercepter pakage on it it would be even better help to me thanks all
Travis
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:45:50 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stroker 460 crank FS

This is all the info I have on the crank. Not being very familiar with
stroker cranks I can't really offer much insight on the specific questions
you asked:

From Tim Meyer tmeyerfrontiernet.net

The crank is offsetground and polished. Rod size is 2.125". If I remember
right it is .010" under size.
I had it sitting around and it got a little rusty. So I ground it down a
size. The mains are .020" u/s.
I will have to double check on that. The crank will have to be balanced and
I have (2) pieces of heavy
metal I will give with the deal. The crank was shot blasted also. I would
like to get $300.00 for It all.


"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


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From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) visteon.com>
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Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 5:33 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Stroker 460 crank FS


> Is this a manufactured, steel stroker crank with full size journals or
> resized, offset ground stock crank? 3/8 is a heck of an offset? Can you
> even offset grind a crank that much without it falling apart? I can see
> maybe 0.100" or in the case of the 460 maybe up to 0.115 to make it an
even
> 4.00" stroke but 3/8"?



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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 11:55:49 PST
From: "Mark Mcknight" hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE VS the new 5.4

Might I add a thought? *lol*
or a feeling?

The horsepower don't meen jack. Its all in the way the truck is set up
33 inch tires obviously get more traction then P225/75's
5.4L obviously has more torque (not sure about horse power) then the 390
because of the Fuel Injection

The only way to really tell what engine is better is if they are both fresh,
running the same tranny, same differentials, same transfer case.

No one here can exactly tell what one is going to pull better unless you've
tried it.

Don't underestimate the FE though, it may be old, and it may be sluggish,
and it may be even be putting up 225 horsies or whatever, but its still got
balls.
The most important factor in the pulling of a vehicle is the Gear Ratios. I
think its the lower the Ratio the more pull its got. Thats why I feel the
3.5x ratio differentials are perfect.
I think the stock ratio on a new F-150 is like 2.73?
Most of the older trucks ran and run 3.5x or 4.xx? right?
The 2.73 I think is gonna be able to pull more anyways.

The 390 was one of Fords best engines (next to the 5L *lol*) and I'm not
about to say that its weak compared to a 5.4L but I'm not going to say its
got all kinds of balls either.

Either way, they're both great engines, and I'd really want one in my 85
about now, cuz this 4.6 is crap (I think I set it up wrong *lol*)

The thoughts and feelings above are not nessicarly those of the group *lol*

- -Mark- haha, I'm 15, who knows whut I'm talking about! *lol*
85' F-150 custom 4.6L (damn I'm good)
78' F-100 5L tubbed, raceable (damn I'm good)
*lol*

Cya'z guyz later

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:56:14 -0600
From: "Bob & Becky Elliott" ptsi.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 verses 5.4

Seems to me that if you have a "friend" that won't let you enjoy your 76
F100truck and just be glad that you have a rig you like, you need to find a
better friend. Life is to short to waste time getting garbage from your
"friends". Bob

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:56:25 +0100
From: "jgolden" <351msurf1.de>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cold Weather Driving!

O'k, When I first bought my 79 I spent long hours in the hot Louisiana sun
to get my engine to run cooler. Now that I am in Germany, and it is COLD, I
barely reach 160 degrees even after driving down the autobahn for a few
hours. Do I need to change my thermostat? Will this cold weather hurt my
engine? I only have about 1500 miles on the engine and transmission since
they were rebuilt. Any precautions I should take will be greatly
appreciated, as parts are very costly over here. Thanks, Jess.
351msurf1.de


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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:41:31 -0800
From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Elec fuel pump - filters?

I was reading the response posting below and got to thinking that the 78
Lariat that I just bought had had a carb fire and toasted all the top
wiring, ign., and carb, not to mention the paint in the center of the hood.
As a marine surveyor, there is no chance that a fragile filter on top of the
engine would even remotely pass survey and any gasoline filter with glass is
considered a hazard and requires shielding. The only fuel filters allowed on
top of a gas engine are all metal and connected with fire resistant hose to
resist a period of flame without allowing the pressurized gas to start to
spray. Filtration before the electric fuel pump sounds like a good idea to
me. I think that I'll pay a bit more attention to my fuel system after
reading this list discussion.
Patsplace
78 F-150 W/Overloads
77 F-250 4X4
79 F-250 4X4 Dream Truck Under Way

> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 09:37:03 -0800
> From: wicowboy gateway.net>
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Elec fuel pump - filters?
>
> What are you using this truck for? Is it a street only truck? Just
> throw it out there that I had one of these neat glass one that was
> mounted very secrurely using rubber to the frame. To make a long story
> after about a week it cost me around $6000 I had just put into my truck
> when it caused the truck to burst into flames around 55mph on my way to
> work when it cracked...... That was the day after some wheeling so thats
> probably why, maybe they're alright on the street though.........
>
> Jeff Norville wrote:
> >
> > So I am trying the dual fuel pump thingy that was discussed a couple of
> > weeks back - electric pump at the rear near the tank on a dash switch,
> > backing up the standard pump. The old "if one is good two is better"
> > philosophy.
> >
> > Question is where to put the fuel filter(s)?
> >
> > I would like to use two - bought those clear glass filters with little
> > plastic shield - they're nearly 3.5" long I think. Pretty long to fit
> > between the metal hose that exits near the coil and the carb.
> >
> > What I have read suggests that filters belong just after pumps in the
> > lineup. For the stock pump that means cutting a section of the metal
tubing
> > out and clamping the hose/filter there; somewhere accessible too so I
can
> > actually view the fuel (cool). For the one by the tank it means
mounting
> > the assembly somewhere rocks won't find too often, but I can still
reach.
> >
> > I know, big deal over little cookies. But many of ya'll have done this
and
> > I would love to learn from someone ELSE's character-building mistake
this
> > time. ;-) I have enough character to gag Click and Clack after this
swap.
> >
> > Jeff
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:48:31 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" mddc.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE VS the new 5.4

Mark Mcknight wrote:

> The horsepower don't meen jack.
Very true.

> 33 inch tires obviously get more traction then P225/75's

The 33's have a wider contact patch, so they have the potential for
better traction. However, assuming both trucks have the same amount of
weight on each axle, the 225/75/15's have a higher weight load on their
smaller contact patch. Either way you go, I thing you'll end up with the
same results here. Small contact patch and more weight versus larger
contact patch and less weight. To me, it would seem they would have
about the same amount of traction.
Also, the 33's put you at a gearing disadvantage because thay are
taller, and require more torque to turn over. The motor turning the
225/75/15's will have to do less work.

> 5.4L obviously has more torque (not sure about horse power) then the 390
> because of the Fuel Injection

Torque is a product of bore x stroke, not induction. Any motor that has
a longer stroke than another will produce more torque. It's a proven
principal of physics.
>
> The only way to really tell what engine is better is if they are both fresh,
> running the same tranny, same differentials, same transfer case.

I agree, but I would also put the same tires on each truck.

> No one here can exactly tell what one is going to pull better unless you've
> tried it.

No we can't, but we have a pretty good idea.


> The most important factor in the pulling of a vehicle is the Gear Ratios.

I would combine the engine's torque with the gears to judge it's pulling
ability.

> Most of the older trucks ran and run 3.5x or 4.xx? right?
> The 2.73 I think is gonna be able to pull more anyways.

The 3.50's or 4.xx's are gonna pull more. They'll spin the engine faster
and reduce mileage, but they won't lug the engine down like 2.73's will.

> The 390 was one of Fords best engines (next to the 5L *lol*) and I'm not
> about to say that its weak compared to a 5.4L but I'm not going to say its
> got all kinds of balls either.

Now you're gettin' kinda personal! (G)

Jason Kendrick

> Cya'z guyz later
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 16:12:52 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" mddc.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE VS the new 5.4

Jason wrote:

> Torque is a product of bore x stroke, not induction. Any motor that has
> a longer stroke than another will produce more torque. It's a proven
> principal of physics.

Let me clarify this. I mean two motors of the same displacement, for a
fair comparison. A 6.4 liter 390 will produce more torque than a 5.4L.
My 390 is rated at 225 to 250 horses, and 390 ft lbs of torque. What is
the 5.4L rated at, anyway?

Jason
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 14:44:30 PST
From: "Don Jones" hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: FTE 61-79 - Cold Weather Driving!

>O'k, When I first bought my 79 I spent long hours in the hot Louisiana sun
>to get my engine to run cooler. Now that I am in Germany, and it is COLD,
>I
>barely reach 160 degrees even after driving down the autobahn for a few
>hours. Do I need to change my thermostat? Will this cold weather hurt my
>engine? I only have about 1500 miles on the engine and transmission since
>they were rebuilt. Any precautions I should take will be greatly
>appreciated, as parts are very costly over here. Thanks, Jess.
>351msurf1.de
>

Does your engine make enough heat to run the heater? If so, then its
probably running warm enough. I have had several trucks that needed warmer
thermostats in the winter.


Don Jones
1970 f-250 4x4
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:10:29 -0800
From: sparkymail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spontaneous Truck Combustion

I wonder if this is due to the resistor wire for the ignition "run"
circuit. The way it is routed is quite a poor design IMHO. That wire
overheated and burnt up on my truck last year, took out alot of other wires
with it also. I was lucky my truck didnt burn up. Since it is routed behind
the dash inside a large wire bundle I would put my money on it being the
culprit, if there is a common factor in these fires that is.
I replaced mine with a "normal" wire and added a ballast resistor under
the hood to make up for the missing resistance. Kind of made a good truck
better and safer in the process :)

Sparky
73ish F250
4x4 3?0 FE


>#1
>I remember something about faulty ignition switches torching escorts. Could
>the same thing be happening?

>#2
> Makes it to the car wash by the plant when the smoke comes rolling out
from >under the dash. Luckily, he's got his phone with him, but no change.
(Car >wash, lot's of water, no money. Fire dept. put it out. Not till after
it was a
>total loss. He summed it up with the thought" at least I don't have to
>worry about my wet weather starting problem."

>#3
> Anyone know anything about these trucks burning up? My '89 F-250 4x4
> 302, 5-speed burst into flames about a month ago after siting in a
> parking lot for 4 hours...... Wondering if anyone knows why these keep
> burning up, I couldn't find any recalls from ford but i talked to a few
> other people who own this era truck and had interior fires. My interioir
was >the only thing harmed....started under the dash.......

>#4
>I have seen 3 or 4 of these trucks burn up. All electrical fires under the
>dash Seems to me there was a recall, at least in Canada to replace the
>ignition switch or some related wiring.


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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:18:57 -0500
From: "Gary L. Perry" fwi.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I'm an idiot!

Thanks to GTHerpich's letter on FT engines. Did not know there was such an
animal. He was first guy I've
heard from who knows of Fred Jones rebuilders. My
engine has their tag on it, from 1982. Seems like neat
dealer, even their name is copy of Ford script. Do you
know if I can remove dual thermostat housing and use
one off FE engine to reduce size of radiator upper hose,
it goes into Intake same as FE's that I can see? Also,
will FE distributer fit in place of my dual vac. line unit?
Thanks! "G"

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:34:42 GMT
From: davewildtc3net.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - EFI Fuel Pump?

Does anyone know where I can find a high pressure fuel pump?
I need one for a fuel injection system. I am going to try and put a EFI engine into
an older P/U but I don't want to put in a EFI gas tank. I was wondering if there
is a pump that could be used without a low pressure in tank pump but still supply
enough pressure to run the fuel injection. If not would using the EFI tank with
a low AND high pressure pump be the way to go. Any input would be greatly appreciated.



Dave Wild
78' F150 Custom 300ci
3 on the tree

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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 22:47:20 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump

I'm changing my fuel pump and I decided to take a look at Steve Christ's
book before I started. It says to put a little Moly grease on the shaft
where it contacts the eccentric. Does it have to be Moly grease? Are there
any consequences if I don't use Moly, but another type of grease? I have
the red stuff that I lube the chassis with, and various other kinds around
the house.
Also he says to crank the engine until the eccentric is at it's lowest
point. Is this absolutely necessary? Will I be able to see the eccentric
through the hole where the pump mounts?

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
' 63 F-100
parts truck

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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:47:24 PST
From: "gene gardner" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rusting cab mounts

>I found that my 65 F100 has severe rust on the cab to frame mount

We just had a discussion about this last month. Since I was the one who
posted a question about replacing my cab mounts, feel free to email me
privately and I'll forward all the replies I saved to disk. The general
concensus was that it's a good idea to replace them (they can be bolted
right over the old ones without removing the cab) and to make sure you get
heavier-duty mounts than the cheap 20-guage imports.

Texican Teacher 70 F100 w 300 I-6
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 20:05:32 -0800
From: "S.Harkema" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Question for Bob

>your questions
>answered by Bob Masone, F150 Product Manger for Ford Motor
>Company!
>3. It may be best to use this as an opportunity to discuss
Ford's involvement with the enthusiast community.

My questions for Mr.Masone would be:
Does Ford plan to get seriously involved in NHRA Pro Stock Truck racing?
What happened to Ford's NHRA Pro Stock program after Bob Glidden's
retirement?
Is Ford going to get involed in Outlaw Sprint Cars as M*PAR has?
I'm a huge Ford fan who is disappointed in Ford's Motorsports program.

I'm a big drag race fan but it is hard to watch ch*vies race each
other,while the Fords are either nonexistent or uncompetitive.
Even
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 22:40:53 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" mddc.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I'm an idiot!

Most FT's used a larger oil pump shaft. This would require a matching
distributor and oil pump. Chances are, you won't be able to swap
distributors, but if you want to check, go ahead. There was one FT that
used a standard sized(FE) shaft.

Jason

Gary L. Perry wrote:

> will FE distributer fit in place of my dual vac. line unit?
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:37:39 EST
From: JJJJJGRANTaol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1959 ford f250 4x4 at toys r'us

went to toys r'us tonight and saw a replica of a 1959 ford f250 fourwheel
drive truck, it was a nice die cast replica. thought some of you may be
interested.

jeff grant
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:54:11 -0800
From: "Jerry Godsey" prodigy.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering Wheel question

Has anybody had any experience putting an aftermarket steering wheel on an
Econoline? According to Grant, the shaft is smaller than a normal vehicle
and they don't make an adapter for it. Any ideas would be greatly
appreciated, this hug steering wheel is a pain in the neck!
Blessings,
Jerry Godsey
www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4275

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Date: (No, or invalid, date.)
From: "Mike" connect.ab.ca>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re-61-79 update

Regarding those truck fires, Ford did have quite a problem with T-Birds =
burning up in the early 90's. This was definately linked to a faulty igni=
tion switch design. There was an in-depth writeup in the USA Today a few =
years ago.

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:24:32 -0800 (PST)
From: canzusseanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Wheel question

At 09:54 PM 8:1:00 -0800, Jerry Godsey wrote:
>Has anybody had any experience putting an aftermarket steering wheel on an
>Econoline? According to Grant, the shaft is smaller than a normal vehicle
>and they don't make an adapter for it. Any ideas would be greatly
>appreciated, this hug steering wheel is a pain in the neck!
>Blessings,
>Jerry Godsey
>www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4275

I have a feeling that a Pantera adapter will fit, as it fits the other
"Red Headed Step Child" car Ford sold, as in the Capri of early
vintage. If you can wait a couple weeks, I have a wrecked Capri
that I can rob the wheel out of for ya....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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