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From: owner-61-79-list-digest  ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V4 #11 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Saturday, January 8 2000 Volume 04 : Number 011 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - Elec fuel pump - clarification, vacuum diagram Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Parts Suppliers Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Parts Suppliers Re: FTE 61-79 - tonneau cover Re: FTE 61-79 - PAINTED PUMPKINS? FTE 61-79 - Cab to Frame Mount Kit RE: FTE 61-79 - 5.4 and sublimation RE: FTE 61-79 - Update FTE 61-79 - Stroker 460 crank FS RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 vs 5.4l Re: FTE 61-79 - 7 litre rule FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: FTE 3rd Anniversary and a chance to ask Ford! RE: Re: FTE 61-79 - Update FTE 61-79 - Re: Elec fuel pump - clarification, vacuum diagram FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 vs 5.4l FTE 61-79 - New to list. ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 17:15:16 -0800 From: wicowboy Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Elec fuel pump - clarification, vacuum diagram > The filters I bought have > the plastic shield that clips over about 40% of glass surface - did > your broken glass have this shield wicowboy? No, I don't think they did but the rubber (radiator hose) I had them secured on with covered a good portion of the glass.... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:43:18 EST From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Parts Suppliers check for a local chelsea driveline distributor, they will have access to dana axle parts, chelsea, dana and spicer are all affiliated. ours lets me have the parts at his cost. jeff grant == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 17:58:20 -0800 From: wicowboy Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Parts Suppliers JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote: > > check for a local chelsea driveline distributor, they will have access to > dana axle parts, chelsea, dana and spicer are all affiliated. ours lets me > have the parts at his cost. > Don't think we have any around here, never heard of them... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:12:29 -0800 From: Mike Pacheco Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - tonneau cover I live in the Seattle area, I had a softcover with the snaps.... good luck if you get wet climate ! I about wore out my thumbs .... I ended up using my pocket plyers everytime I wanted to resnap the top. Mike == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:24:51 EST From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - PAINTED PUMPKINS? In a message dated 1/7/00 8:43:50 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Bad4dFilly aol.com writes: << Your right, but chrome is too plain for my taste! My mottoe is get everything customized you can so that you can REALLY call it "yours" LOL *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~* >> Isnt this the reasoning behind the billions of lights, 50 lb bull hood ornaments, and low profile tires I see on a lot of Broncos runnin around Vegas? Oh and we cant forget dingle ball interior trim. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:34:34 -0800 (PST) From: Douglas Trotter Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cab to Frame Mount Kit I just received my new cab to frame mount kit from Dennis Carpenter today. I'd like to have the truck out of commission for one day only as it is my only form of transportation. Has anyone out there installed one of these kits who might have some pointers for me? I'd appreciate any info. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:47:37 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 5.4 and sublimation > >Also I have seen ice evaporate (turn to vapor). I forget > what it is called > >when water goes directly from solid to vapor > > I believe this is called sublimation. > THAT'S IT! Thanks Tom H. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:47:38 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Update I remember something about faulty ignition switches torching escorts. Could the same thing be happening? Tom H > -----Original Message----- > From: wicowboy [mailto:wicowboy gateway.net]> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 1:48 PM > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Update > > > >Makes it to the car wash by > > the plant when the smoke comes rolling out from under the > dash. Luckily, > > he's got his phone with him, but no change. (Car wash, > lot's of water, no > > money.) Fire dept. put it out. Not till after it was a > total loss. He > > summed it up with the thought" at least I don't have to > worry about my wet > > weather starting problem." > > > Anyone know anything about these trucks burning up? My '89 F-250 4x4 > 302, 5-speed burst into flames about a month ago after siting in a > parking lot for 4 hours...... Wondering if anyone knows why these keep > burning up, I couldn't find any recalls from ford but i > talked to a few > other people who own this era truck and had interior fires. My > interioir was the only thing harmed....started under the dash....... > > p.s. That was my 5th vehicle lost to fire last year, begining to think > arson...... > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:49:49 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stroker 460 crank FS The guy who I bought the pistons and valves for my 400 from has a 460 crank 3/8" stroked that he is trying to get rid of. If anyone is interested please email me off list at: bbeyer pacifier.com"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:26:58 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 vs 5.4l Ok NOW I'll jump in. > Thanks. That's what I wanted to know. The reason I'm to > stubborn in this > question is because a "friend" has a 97 ford pickup 4x4 v8. > The problem is > that every time he comes to our house, Hes always tell > telling me stuff > about my recently bought 76 f-100 4x4 390. Since I'm new to > the f-series > world, He's always braggin' about his pickup can beat my > pickup. I told him > that in speed, I gave him no challenge. But in carrying and > pulling, mine > would win. From what you say below I believe you have an F-100 and he has an F-150. Both are half ton trucks so if loaded to rated capacity the contest will be a draw because both are built to carry 1000 lbs and will do it all day long. Your assessment in a speed contest is fairly accurate. My 76 F-150 met its match on a hill on the west end of Flagstaff AZ. (on I-40) Six miles of uphill 6% grade. Truck had all it could do to pull 4 people and their suitcases up the hill at 80 mph. I had my foot just above the trans kick down and let it go as it would. Level ground it will go faster than I feel comfortable though. > He said no. Beside the fact that I don't know the > difference > between a f-100 and an f-150, I am sure my f-100 overpowers > his in payload > and pull. The only difference between F-100 and F-150 is the gross weight of the vehicle. Came out around 76 for smog certification reasons. A heavier vehicle was exempt at the time so they didn't have to have emission controls on them. I have a feeling both your trucks are evenly matched. > Of course he won't, by any means, want to challenge me in a > duel like the > one I just told you. But In reality, I know that my f-100 can > carry more > than just half a ton. But I need a strong reason why. Now your talking about overloading the truck from its weighted capacity. There was a thread yesterday I believe talking about how marketing and economics are driving engineers to compromise on the designs they produce. Every vehicle produced has a margin to allow for owner abuse. In this case you win hands down. The older trucks were built like brick s%# and will survive abuse better because they were built with a better margin (lower emission reqs, lower cafe requirements etc allowed a heavier vehicle). Here's another thought. Who gets more fun out of their trucks? The guy that spent a reasonable amount on an older well maintained vehicle or the guy that is so buried by his car and insurance payment that he'll never see daylight? One of these people isn't (or shouldn't) take his truck wheeling 'cause the REAL owner (the bank) isn't going to appreciate it if he bends their property. > Appreciate all your > guy's answers. > By the way, my pickup has a 2 inch lift (proffesionaly done) You're welcome :0) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: canzus seanet.comSubject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 7 litre rule At 07:40 AM 7:1:00 -0600, John LaGrone wrote: >>>Aren't they .080 over on a 390 ? 4.05 vs 4.13 ? At least that's the info >>I've got ... hey a 428 is only 426.5 .... a 427 isn't quite that even is it >>? >>Nope, 424.9 ...must've been a 425cubic inch rule huh ?<< > >425 cid is about 7 liters. Someone did mention a 7 liter rule earlier. > >BTW FoMoCo isn't the only one that fudges. A Ch vy 396 is really a 402, at>least the 69 we had was. 402's were casting mistakes, they were supposed to be 396's, but the bores didn't clean up so the earlier ones were factory overbored 0.030". Fun Facts To Know And Tell: Even the Generals screw up every now and then.... Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 22:44:13 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: FTE 3rd Anniversary and a chance to ask Ford! FTE will soon be celebrating its 3rd Anniversary as a web site. (It was just a mailing list prior to that). We have several things planned for this. Among them is an opportunity for you, the FTE user, to have your questions answered by Bob Masone, F150 Product Manger for Ford Motor Company! Post the question(s) you would like to have asked, and we'll hash them out here. I'm going to present 5-10 questions to Bob in an interview and post the transcripts on the web site and to the mailing lists. There are a few minor guidelines.... 1. No questions about unannounced future products. 2. Keep in mind that this isn't a mechanic's chit-chat. 3. It may be best to use this as an opportunity to discuss Ford's involvement with the enthusiast community. Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 20:35:17 PST From: "Don Jones" Subject: RE: Re: FTE 61-79 - Update > > > Anyone know anything about these trucks burning up? My '89 F-250 4x4 > > 302, 5-speed burst into flames about a month ago after siting in a > > parking lot for 4 hours...... Wondering if anyone knows why these keep > > burning up, I couldn't find any recalls from ford but i talked to a >few > > other people who own this era truck and had interior fires. My > > interior was the only thing harmed....started under the dash....... I have seen 3 or 4 of these trucks burn up. All electrical fires under the dash Seems to me there was a recall, at least in Canada to replace the ignition switch or some related wiring. Don Jones 1970 f-250 4x4 ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 21:11:16 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Lee Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Elec fuel pump - clarification, vacuum diagram Jeff, I am using a Carter CRT-P4070, that I bought from Summit. It is a 5 psi street pump, and has 72 gph free flow(I think that means unrestricted flow). It draws 4.5 amps. The price is $53.95. The Universal Electric Pump Installation instructions has several notes as below: 1. For safety reason a cutoff switch (PN A-68301) is recommended. I am using a Borg Warner S4300, because that is what I could get. 2. To prevent fuel pump failure, installation of a high quality fuel filter on the inlet side of the pump is required. I am using an inline all metal (GM type with a mounting clamp) that I purchased at K-mart(easily replaced). It is screwed to my inner fender about as high as the normal pump location because it is gravity feed at that point. 3. On high performance applications when used as a booster for for a mechanical pump, it is recommended that a 'Super Street' or 'Super Strip' pump be used, because these incorporate a heavier diaphram. 4. If a mechanical pump is not used, a fuel pump block off plate should used. That is all the notes that apply to this discussion. Now it seems to me that using 72 gph and driving 72 mph, I would get 1 mpg. My truck certainly isn't an economy vehicle, but I do much better than 1 mpg. So I think that the small restriction of the fuel filter will not affect fuel flow. The biggest advantage of using an electric pump in my opinion is the constant pressure (5 psi) they produce. Mechanical pumps can overpower a carb inlet valve at high RPM and cause flooding. This is especially true of 'rebuilt' pumps, where there is little QC. I am not using a mechanical pump and have a block off plate, because the reliability of the electric pump is greater than the mechanical pump(especially 'rebuilt'/'remanufactured' pumps). One other thing to think about is: Don't use any fuel system cleaners, and avoid alcohol containing fuels. These shorten the life of diaphrams and seals. If you think your fuel system is dirty change the filter. Dan Lee '53 F100 400C-4V >Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:09:58 -0800 >From: "Jeff Norville" >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Elec fuel pump - >clarification, vacuum diagram >Thanks for the excellent suggestions - I should've >spent more bandwidth outlining my usage. >The truck is an off(paved)road vehicle, which is what >made me a little nervous about anything glass (fuel >filter) living below the level of the headlights. >Lots of dirt/gravel roads to travel. The filters I >bought >have the plastic shield that clips over about 40% of >glass surface - did your broken glass have this shield >wicowboy? Ow. >My idea was to run the pump from a switch on the dash >for priming purposes, not to run it full time - though >it is a backup for stock pump failures... >I hadn't planned on putting in the cutoff, even after >reading the posts about 'em (though I also haven't >consulted my insurance company). >This is what made me wonder about filter placement - >since it's not running all the time it puts a >resistance on the manual pump; adding a filter in >front of the electric adds a little more. Is this >self-fulfilling prophecy, adding backups that will >have to be used because they are shortening the >life of the stock parts? >A final concern - this electric pump is made by Facet >for Balkamp (Napa), and says on the front of the >package, "Replacement for Carburetor-Equipped >Cars, Vans, Trucks..." It's that first word that gets >me. >I blow through the pump and it gives more resistance >than I think I want. Way more than a filter. >Shouldn't be any resistance it seems to me ifthis >is a bypass-able pump. >Brand names/models/prices anybody? Argh. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 23:49:37 CST From: "Luke Phillips" Subject: FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING Tomorrow I will be changing my manual steering in my 67 F100. Went to the salvage yard today and purchased the POWER STEERING unit out of a 73 model. I was hoping to find a tilt column but came up on the short end of the stick. I did find a nice steering columnm none the less. The gear box and hose are in excellent shape. Found the mounting bracket but it was slightly bent. Nothing that can't be fixed. The pump is off of my 73 460. Also found a 3 groove pulley, that will help when I put A/C in. I got a really good deal to boot. All that for $175.00. Oh, by the way, the motor is a 240 I6. Has anyone out there performed this project? Any advice will be grately appreciated. I am going to a buddy's house to do the job. He has all the air tools! I don't expect any major problems.Cross my fingers. Thanks to all who can help! Luke Phillips 67 F100 shortbed 98 Ford Taurus SE ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:37:50 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 vs 5.4l In reality there is a wheel spin formula that goes along with hitch height and weight distribution and also a certain tire tread works better on gravel or hard packed clay than others too and it's probably not what you would think either so there are many factors but really, who ever was able to keep his truck running in it's power band would have the best shot with similar tires etc. regardless of gearing. Gearing is, of course, one of the factors that helps do that :-) What I'm saying is that there is no magic number in any of these catagories, but only a magic "combination" of numbers :-) As to weight capacity, the F-100 was not an especially stiff suspension from the factory depending on which load range version it is. It could be rather soft or it could be pretty tough. I had a 67 that would sag with two quarter horses and a horse trailer on it so that the front tires were off the ground.......my 68 was a little tougher and my 78 is tougher yet but it's a 150. Granted the two horses and the rack I used probably went nearly a ton and the tongue weight of the trailer was substantial too but my f-150 will haul 2 tons with a little effort and now that I have the additional springs on it, 2 tons is a piece a cake :-) (need better tires though :-)) My E-150 van used to haul 3500# of news papers with no problems too. The new trucks do have a pretty fair load capacity but, again, it depends on the actual load range designed into it, they are not all created equal :-) Some have overload springs, some are at the top of the legal range for it's federal size/weight class etc.... - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > world, He's always braggin' about his pickup can beat my > pickup. I told him > that in speed, I gave him no challenge. But in carrying and > pulling, mine > would win. He said no. Beside the fact that I don't know the > difference > between a f-100 and an f-150, I am sure my f-100 overpowers > his in payload > and pull. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:38:03 +0100 From: "jgolden" <351m surf1.de>Subject: FTE 61-79 - New to list. Hi, I'm Jesse Golden. I have a 79 F150 Supercab, 351M/C-6. I am currently stationed in Germany, Yep, the truck is with me. I love driving it on these German autobahns. BMW's and other sports cars pass me up quickly, but they won't get very close and I don't get cut off like when I'm driving the small Volkswagon. Jesse. 351m surf1.de== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list-digest V4 #11 ******************************* +----- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 though 1979 Trucks And Vans -----+ | Send posts to 61-79-list ford-trucks.com, || List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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