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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Elec fuel pump - clarification, vacuum diagram
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Parts Suppliers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Parts Suppliers
Re: FTE 61-79 - tonneau cover
Re: FTE 61-79 - PAINTED PUMPKINS?
FTE 61-79 - Cab to Frame Mount Kit
RE: FTE 61-79 - 5.4 and sublimation
RE: FTE 61-79 - Update
FTE 61-79 - Stroker 460 crank FS
RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 vs 5.4l
Re: FTE 61-79 - 7 litre rule
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: FTE 3rd Anniversary and a chance to ask Ford!
RE: Re: FTE 61-79 - Update
FTE 61-79 - Re: Elec fuel pump - clarification, vacuum diagram
FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING
RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 vs 5.4l
FTE 61-79 - New to list.

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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 17:15:16 -0800
From: wicowboy gateway.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Elec fuel pump - clarification, vacuum diagram

> The filters I bought have
> the plastic shield that clips over about 40% of glass surface - did > your broken glass have this shield wicowboy?

No, I don't think they did but the rubber (radiator hose) I had them
secured on with covered a good portion of the glass....
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:43:18 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Parts Suppliers

check for a local chelsea driveline distributor, they will have access to
dana axle parts, chelsea, dana and spicer are all affiliated. ours lets me
have the parts at his cost.

jeff grant
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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 17:58:20 -0800
From: wicowboy gateway.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Parts Suppliers

JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote:
>
> check for a local chelsea driveline distributor, they will have access to
> dana axle parts, chelsea, dana and spicer are all affiliated. ours lets me
> have the parts at his cost.
>

Don't think we have any around here, never heard of them...
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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:12:29 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco USWEST.NET>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - tonneau cover

I live in the Seattle area, I had a softcover with the snaps.... good
luck if you get wet climate ! I about wore out my thumbs .... I ended up
using my pocket plyers everytime I wanted to resnap the top.
Mike
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:24:51 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - PAINTED PUMPKINS?

In a message dated 1/7/00 8:43:50 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Bad4dFilly aol.com
writes:

<< Your right, but chrome is too plain for my taste! My mottoe is get
everything
customized you can so that you can REALLY call it "yours" LOL

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~* >>


Isnt this the reasoning behind the billions of lights, 50 lb bull hood
ornaments, and low profile tires I see on a lot of Broncos runnin around
Vegas? Oh and we cant forget dingle ball interior trim.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:34:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Douglas Trotter yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cab to Frame Mount Kit

I just received my new cab to frame mount kit from
Dennis Carpenter today. I'd like to have the truck
out of commission for one day only as it is my only
form of transportation. Has anyone out there
installed one of these kits who might have some
pointers for me? I'd appreciate any info.


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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:47:37 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 5.4 and sublimation


> >Also I have seen ice evaporate (turn to vapor). I forget
> what it is called
> >when water goes directly from solid to vapor
>
> I believe this is called sublimation.
>
THAT'S IT! Thanks

Tom H.
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:47:38 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Update

I remember something about faulty ignition switches torching escorts. Could
the same thing be happening?

Tom H

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wicowboy [mailto:wicowboygateway.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 1:48 PM
> To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Update
>
>
> >Makes it to the car wash by
> > the plant when the smoke comes rolling out from under the
> dash. Luckily,
> > he's got his phone with him, but no change. (Car wash,
> lot's of water, no
> > money.) Fire dept. put it out. Not till after it was a
> total loss. He
> > summed it up with the thought" at least I don't have to
> worry about my wet
> > weather starting problem."
>
>
> Anyone know anything about these trucks burning up? My '89 F-250 4x4
> 302, 5-speed burst into flames about a month ago after siting in a
> parking lot for 4 hours...... Wondering if anyone knows why these keep
> burning up, I couldn't find any recalls from ford but i
> talked to a few
> other people who own this era truck and had interior fires. My
> interioir was the only thing harmed....started under the dash.......
>
> p.s. That was my 5th vehicle lost to fire last year, begining to think
> arson......
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:49:49 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stroker 460 crank FS

The guy who I bought the pistons and valves for my 400 from has a 460 crank
3/8" stroked that he is trying to get rid of. If anyone is interested please
email me off list at: bbeyerpacifier.com

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"



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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:26:58 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 vs 5.4l

Ok NOW I'll jump in.


> Thanks. That's what I wanted to know. The reason I'm to
> stubborn in this
> question is because a "friend" has a 97 ford pickup 4x4 v8.
> The problem is
> that every time he comes to our house, Hes always tell
> telling me stuff
> about my recently bought 76 f-100 4x4 390. Since I'm new to
> the f-series
> world, He's always braggin' about his pickup can beat my
> pickup. I told him
> that in speed, I gave him no challenge. But in carrying and
> pulling, mine
> would win.

From what you say below I believe you have an F-100 and he has an F-150.
Both are half ton trucks so if loaded to rated capacity the contest will be
a draw because both are built to carry 1000 lbs and will do it all day long.
Your assessment in a speed contest is fairly accurate. My 76 F-150 met its
match on a hill on the west end of Flagstaff AZ. (on I-40) Six miles of
uphill 6% grade. Truck had all it could do to pull 4 people and their
suitcases up the hill at 80 mph. I had my foot just above the trans kick
down and let it go as it would. Level ground it will go faster than I feel
comfortable though.

> He said no. Beside the fact that I don't know the
> difference
> between a f-100 and an f-150, I am sure my f-100 overpowers
> his in payload
> and pull.

The only difference between F-100 and F-150 is the gross weight of the
vehicle. Came out around 76 for smog certification reasons. A heavier
vehicle was exempt at the time so they didn't have to have emission controls
on them. I have a feeling both your trucks are evenly matched.

> Of course he won't, by any means, want to challenge me in a
> duel like the
> one I just told you. But In reality, I know that my f-100 can
> carry more
> than just half a ton. But I need a strong reason why.

Now your talking about overloading the truck from its weighted capacity.
There was a thread yesterday I believe talking about how marketing and
economics are driving engineers to compromise on the designs they produce.
Every vehicle produced has a margin to allow for owner abuse. In this case
you win hands down. The older trucks were built like brick s%# and
will survive abuse better because they were built with a better margin
(lower emission reqs, lower cafe requirements etc allowed a heavier
vehicle).

Here's another thought. Who gets more fun out of their trucks? The guy
that spent a reasonable amount on an older well maintained vehicle or the
guy that is so buried by his car and insurance payment that he'll never see
daylight? One of these people isn't (or shouldn't) take his truck wheeling
'cause the REAL owner (the bank) isn't going to appreciate it if he bends
their property.


> Appreciate all your
> guy's answers.
> By the way, my pickup has a 2 inch lift (proffesionaly done)

You're welcome :0)
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:24:50 -0800 (PST)
From: canzusseanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 7 litre rule

At 07:40 AM 7:1:00 -0600, John LaGrone wrote:
>>>Aren't they .080 over on a 390 ? 4.05 vs 4.13 ? At least that's the info
>>I've got ... hey a 428 is only 426.5 .... a 427 isn't quite that even is it
>>?
>>Nope, 424.9 ...must've been a 425cubic inch rule huh ?<<
>
>425 cid is about 7 liters. Someone did mention a 7 liter rule earlier.
>
>BTW FoMoCo isn't the only one that fudges. A Chvy 396 is really a 402, at
>least the 69 we had was.

402's were casting mistakes, they were supposed to
be 396's, but the bores didn't clean up so the earlier ones
were factory overbored 0.030".

Fun Facts To Know And Tell: Even the Generals screw
up every now and then....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 22:44:13 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: FTE 3rd Anniversary and a chance to ask Ford!

FTE will soon be celebrating its 3rd Anniversary as a web site.
(It was just a mailing list prior to that).

We have several things planned for this. Among them is an
opportunity for you, the FTE user, to have your questions
answered by Bob Masone, F150 Product Manger for Ford Motor
Company!

Post the question(s) you would like to have asked, and we'll
hash them out here. I'm going to present 5-10 questions to
Bob in an interview and post the transcripts on the web site
and to the mailing lists.

There are a few minor guidelines....

1. No questions about unannounced future products.
2. Keep in mind that this isn't a mechanic's chit-chat.
3. It may be best to use this as an opportunity to discuss
Ford's involvement with the enthusiast community.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 20:35:17 PST
From: "Don Jones" hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Re: FTE 61-79 - Update

>
> > Anyone know anything about these trucks burning up? My '89 F-250 4x4
> > 302, 5-speed burst into flames about a month ago after siting in a
> > parking lot for 4 hours...... Wondering if anyone knows why these keep
> > burning up, I couldn't find any recalls from ford but i talked to a
>few
> > other people who own this era truck and had interior fires. My
> > interior was the only thing harmed....started under the dash.......


I have seen 3 or 4 of these trucks burn up. All electrical fires under the
dash Seems to me there was a recall, at least in Canada to replace the
ignition switch or some related wiring.


Don Jones
1970 f-250 4x4
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 21:11:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Elec fuel pump - clarification, vacuum diagram

Jeff,

I am using a Carter CRT-P4070, that I bought from
Summit. It is a 5 psi street pump, and has 72 gph free
flow(I think that means unrestricted flow). It draws
4.5 amps. The price is $53.95.

The Universal Electric Pump Installation instructions
has several notes as below:

1. For safety reason a cutoff switch (PN A-68301) is
recommended. I am using a Borg Warner S4300, because
that is what I could get.

2. To prevent fuel pump failure, installation of a
high quality fuel filter on the inlet side of the pump
is required. I am using an inline all metal (GM type
with
a mounting clamp) that I purchased at K-mart(easily
replaced). It is screwed to my inner fender about as
high as the normal pump location because it is gravity
feed at that point.

3. On high performance applications when used as a
booster for for a mechanical pump, it is recommended
that a 'Super Street' or 'Super Strip' pump be used,
because these incorporate a heavier diaphram.

4. If a mechanical pump is not used, a fuel pump block
off plate should used.

That is all the notes that apply to this discussion.
Now it seems to me that using 72 gph and driving 72
mph, I would get 1 mpg. My truck certainly isn't an
economy vehicle, but I do much better than 1 mpg. So I
think that the small restriction of the fuel filter
will not affect fuel flow.
The biggest advantage of using an electric pump in my
opinion is the constant pressure (5 psi) they produce.
Mechanical pumps can overpower a carb inlet valve at
high RPM and cause flooding. This is especially true
of 'rebuilt' pumps, where there is little QC.

I am not using a mechanical pump and have a block off
plate, because the reliability of the electric pump is
greater than the mechanical pump(especially
'rebuilt'/'remanufactured' pumps).

One other thing to think about is:
Don't use any fuel system cleaners, and avoid alcohol
containing fuels. These shorten the life of diaphrams
and seals. If you think your fuel system is dirty
change the filter.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V

>Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:09:58 -0800
>From: "Jeff Norville" sosinet.net>
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Elec fuel pump -
>clarification, vacuum diagram

>Thanks for the excellent suggestions - I should've
>spent more bandwidth outlining my usage.

>The truck is an off(paved)road vehicle, which is what
>made me a little nervous about anything glass (fuel
>filter) living below the level of the headlights.
>Lots of dirt/gravel roads to travel. The filters I
>bought
>have the plastic shield that clips over about 40% of
>glass surface - did your broken glass have this
shield >wicowboy? Ow.
>My idea was to run the pump from a switch on the dash
>for priming purposes, not to run it full time -
though >it is a backup for stock pump failures...
>I hadn't planned on putting in the cutoff, even after
>reading the posts about 'em (though I also haven't
>consulted my insurance company).

>This is what made me wonder about filter placement -
>since it's not running all the time it puts a
>resistance on the manual pump; adding a filter in
>front of the electric adds a little more. Is this
>self-fulfilling prophecy, adding backups that will
>have to be used because they are shortening the
>life of the stock parts?

>A final concern - this electric pump is made by Facet
>for Balkamp (Napa), and says on the front of the
>package, "Replacement for Carburetor-Equipped
>Cars, Vans, Trucks..." It's that first word that
gets >me.
>I blow through the pump and it gives more resistance
>than I think I want. Way more than a filter.
>Shouldn't be any resistance it seems to me ifthis
>is a bypass-able pump.

>Brand names/models/prices anybody? Argh.

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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 23:49:37 CST
From: "Luke Phillips" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING

Tomorrow I will be changing my manual steering in my 67 F100. Went to the
salvage yard today and purchased the POWER STEERING unit out of a 73 model.
I was hoping to find a tilt column but came up on the short end of the
stick. I did find a nice steering columnm none the less. The gear box and
hose are in excellent shape. Found the mounting bracket but it was slightly
bent. Nothing that can't be fixed. The pump is off of my 73 460. Also found
a 3 groove pulley, that will help when I put A/C in. I got a really good
deal to boot. All that for $175.00. Oh, by the way, the motor is a 240 I6.

Has anyone out there performed this project? Any advice will be grately
appreciated. I am going to a buddy's house to do the job. He has all the air
tools! I don't expect any major problems.Cross my fingers. Thanks to all who
can help!
Luke Phillips

67 F100 shortbed
98 Ford Taurus SE

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:37:50 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 vs 5.4l

In reality there is a wheel spin formula that goes along with hitch height
and weight distribution and also a certain tire tread works better on gravel
or hard packed clay than others too and it's probably not what you would
think either so there are many factors but really, who ever was able to keep
his truck running in it's power band would have the best shot with similar
tires etc. regardless of gearing. Gearing is, of course, one of the factors
that helps do that :-) What I'm saying is that there is no magic number in
any of these catagories, but only a magic "combination" of numbers :-)

As to weight capacity, the F-100 was not an especially stiff suspension from
the factory depending on which load range version it is. It could be rather
soft or it could be pretty tough. I had a 67 that would sag with two
quarter horses and a horse trailer on it so that the front tires were off
the ground.......my 68 was a little tougher and my 78 is tougher yet but
it's a 150. Granted the two horses and the rack I used probably went nearly
a ton and the tongue weight of the trailer was substantial too but my f-150
will haul 2 tons with a little effort and now that I have the additional
springs on it, 2 tons is a piece a cake :-) (need better tires though :-))
My E-150 van used to haul 3500# of news papers with no problems too.

The new trucks do have a pretty fair load capacity but, again, it depends on
the actual load range designed into it, they are not all created equal :-)
Some have overload springs, some are at the top of the legal range for it's
federal size/weight class etc....

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> world, He's always braggin' about his pickup can beat my
> pickup. I told him
> that in speed, I gave him no challenge. But in carrying and
> pulling, mine
> would win. He said no. Beside the fact that I don't know the
> difference
> between a f-100 and an f-150, I am sure my f-100 overpowers
> his in payload
> and pull.
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:38:03 +0100
From: "jgolden" <351msurf1.de>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New to list.

Hi, I'm Jesse Golden. I have a 79 F150 Supercab, 351M/C-6. I am currently
stationed in Germany, Yep, the truck is with me. I love driving it on these
German autobahns. BMW's and other sports cars pass me up quickly, but they
won't get very close and I don't get cut off like when I'm driving the small
Volkswagon. Jesse. 351msurf1.de


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