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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys
FTE 61-79 - 2 wheel drive front suspension
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
RE: FTE 61-79 - 2 wheel drive front suspension
FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
FTE 61-79 - Re: 1/2 ton head shake
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake
RE: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF
RE: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake
RE: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
FTE 61-79 - RE: Whoops, Ouch
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys
RE: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake
FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys
RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves
FTE 61-79 - tail light trim
RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys
FTE 61-79 - Re: C-6 problems
FTE 61-79 - 390 FE
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE
FTE 61-79 - Oil input opening
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE
FTE 61-79 - 390 Output
FTE 61-79 - Mechanics in general
FTE 61-79 - 5 speed
FTE 61-79 - new member
FTE 61-79 - hi boy
FTE 61-79 - Rough running on Damp mornings
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rough running on Damp mornings
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE
FTE 61-79 - test

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 06:02:41 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

Don't you guys have the safety latches? There should be 2 latches, the
primary one that keeps it tight and a second "safety" latch that allows it
to bob around but won't let it come open??

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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- --

> I had this happen to me about 3 years ago doing about 60.
> Luckily the hood
> did not get damaged but one hinge bit the dust. Not really
> sure why it
> happened, latch appeared to be fine. I chalked it up to not
> having shut it
> properly
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:41:10 -0500
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

Mine has the safty latch, the hood hesitated for a split second and then over
she came. My safety latch as well as the rest of the latch was pretty well
mangled.

- -Ted




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Don't you guys have the safety latches? There should be 2 latches, the
primary one that keeps it tight and a second "safety" latch that allows it
to bob around but won't let it come open??

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> I had this happen to me about 3 years ago doing about 60.
> Luckily the hood
> did not get damaged but one hinge bit the dust. Not really
> sure why it
> happened, latch appeared to be fine. I chalked it up to not
> having shut it
> properly
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:47:21 -0500
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

I wouldn't mind having a latch that's a little more positive. I like the stock
look though. It's got me a little paranoid as well. I drove her today and was
wondering the whole time it the hood was going to pop again. I'd be intrested
in hearing how others have solved this problem.

- -Ted




In a message dated 1/3/00 10:24:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tfreeman murphyfarms.com writes:

<< So you '67-'72 owners...get out there and check those latches!

I had heard this was a problem in these old trucks, but never believed that
it
would happen to me. >>

I had this happen to me about 3 years ago doing about 60. Luckily the hood
did not get damaged but one hinge bit the dust. Not really sure why it
happened, latch appeared to be fine. I chalked it up to not having shut it
properly, but have always wondered if it is getting ready to let go again.
Has anyone taken positive measures to insure the hood will not pop up? I
have thought about pin hood locks, but they are a pain.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 05:57:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel DiMartino yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys

lesson to be learned is the safety latch won't keep the hood
shut for long! when i purchessed my truck the latch was stiff
and didn't work properly, only the safety latch was holding it
shut. i make it a point to keep that bugger lubed, free to move
and hold the hood shut.

as long as we are speaking of holding the hoods shut, are there
any hood locks that are kept out of sight? how bought a better
ignition key set?? theft always concerns me, even though any
half wit theif could hot wire and old ford. i used to laugh at
the movies at how quick a guy could hot wire one, until i owned
and old truck!!


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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:15:16 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys

> as long as we are speaking of holding the hoods shut, are there
> any hood locks that are kept out of sight? how bought a better
> ignition key set??

I had a hood lock/ignition kill switch on my 82 GT ... it mounted using 4
good sized screws on both sides of things ... it was in addition to the
other stock latches and used a lock that looked like a pop machine or bike
lock key ... all sheathed cable and everything ... mounted the lock under
the dash near the left knee ... if you didn't hook up the kill part of it,
it would work very well for driving :)

I regret to say I don't have a manuf. name or anything on it, it was on the
car when I got it ... seems like there was an article a few years ago when
the 5.0 was the motor to steal ... maybe some of the shops still remember
them ?

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:17:32 -0600
From: John Strauss inetport.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2 wheel drive front suspension

>Are 67-72 two wheel drive radius arms, tie rods and I-beams interchangeable
>between these years??
>
They are, I swapped the front I-beams from a '72 F100 into my '68 F250
(converting it to an F100) and they fit perfect.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstraussinetport.com
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:31:03 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

Since I have the hood off, maybe this is a good time to check mine out :-)
I did notice that the backing plate or mounting plate it is attached to has
holes rusted through it but it still "seems" to be pretty solid. This
wasn't on my fix list this week so may wind up with mechanic's wire on it
:-) It is a Ford after all and we know we don't have to go under the hood
all that often, eh? :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Mine has the safty latch, the hood hesitated for a split
> second and then over
> she came. My safety latch as well as the rest of the latch
> was pretty well
> mangled.
>
> -Ted
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:30:29 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 2 wheel drive front suspension

> (converting it to an F100)
> _
> _| ~~. John Strauss

Wow, there's something you don't hear every day ... can I ask why ?? (just
curious, not passing any judgements at all)

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:33:13 EST
From: BDIJXSaol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake

Ox Man,

Used to have the same trouble when running non-radial tires.....they were
Tru-Tracs. Anyone remember those things? They tended to "round out" after a
few miles...

The BFG A/T's took care of it....

Seemed like the dashboard was going to fall off at about 35mph.....

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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:33:24 -0500
From: William King bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

There was a discussion about "Ford flying hood syndrome" about a year ago
on the list. Had it happen to me on the interstate about 4 years ago.
I installed two eye-bolts (one on the hood, the other near the grill),
attached a foot of chain to the hood, and now use a padlock to lock
the chain to the grill area. Keeps my hood locked and will keep it from
flying
onto the windshield if it ever unlatches again. The last time this problem
made the list, some people talked about using cable-operated catches (like
on new cars) to ensure the hood stays closed. Personally, I like the chain
and padlock. Not pretty, but simple.
Ohio Bill

>>In a message dated 1/3/00 10:24:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>tfreemanmurphyfarms.com writes:
>>So you '67-'72 owners...get out there and check those latches!
>>I had heard this was a problem in these old trucks, but never believed that
>>it would happen to me.
>
>I had this happen to me about 3 years ago doing about 60. Luckily the hood
>did not get damaged but one hinge bit the dust. Not really sure why it
>happened, latch appeared to be fine. I chalked it up to not having shut it
>properly, but have always wondered if it is getting ready to let go again.
>Has anyone taken positive measures to insure the hood will not pop up? I
>have thought about pin hood locks, but they are a pain.
>Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 04:22:43 -0800
From: "Scott Jensen" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 1/2 ton head shake

I went through this on my 76. It was kind of irritating when I replaced the
front end parts and tires, and the truck still shook. In fact, in some ways
worse than before. I was really focused on my track bar, because the
bracket hole on the axle housing had egged. After being under there for the
umpteenth time, I noticed that one spring looked a bit shorter than the
other. Replaced both. Cheap fix, (compared to the rest of the parts), and
it helped a bit. But it still shook. Then something hit me. It seemed like
I went though this 20 some odd years ago. I forgot about the pitman arm. It
seemed tight, but it wasn't. Sure was nice to finally drive down the road
without it shaking all over the place. The track bar isn't such a priority
now and I only notice it when I'm 4wheeling. Now, because of a collapsed
spring and a worn pitman arm, I have a front end that feels new. So now the
rear springs are very noticeably sagging...next project.

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:10:35 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

Don't have one on my 76. Did they add this to the 78/79s?

Tom H

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) [mailto:gpeters3visteon.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 3:03 AM
> To: '61-79-listford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
>
>
> Don't you guys have the safety latches? There should be 2
> latches, the
> primary one that keeps it tight and a second "safety" latch
> that allows it
> to bob around but won't let it come open??
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
> --
>
> > I had this happen to me about 3 years ago doing about 60.
> > Luckily the hood
> > did not get damaged but one hinge bit the dust. Not really
> > sure why it
> > happened, latch appeared to be fine. I chalked it up to not
> > having shut it
> > properly
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:14:09 -0600
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF

>>So what you are saying is the band on the C-6 only snaps tight on the
downshift? Seems odd that releasing a clutch would cause such a harsh shift
going up into second with a shift kit?

On the C-6 the large front clutch is the first gear clutch and the band is
for second as I remember. One of it's strengths is that large first gear
clutch. It may be that the band releases for the 1-2 upshift and engages
for the 3-2 downshift, not sure but it makes sense to me :-) I have a
couple of good manuals on this, guess I should go take a look, eh?

Isn't there a clutch that connects the input and output shafts in high
gear?<<

Probably so, Gary. In any case, there should be minimal things engaged in
1:1. My uncle used to tell me that the best way to destroy an automatic
tranny was to slam it into reverse as soon as you start up. Since the fluid
was cold and sluggish and everything engages in reverse, this is the period
of the most stress. He always said warmup was more important to the tranny
than the engine.

Disclaimer: racing situations not included.

- -- John
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:21:28 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

> Don't have one on my 76. Did they add this to the 78/79s?
>

Sure you do ... some people call it a "wind latch" its the second taller
part that catches the hood when you lift it a little bit ...even my 73 has
one ... they've been on cars since ... well I think even our 57 has one on
it ... the idea is it will catch before the hood actually flies up ... we
all know as they get older they don't move as well and may actually do very
little in this dept.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:28:42 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake

BDIJXSaol.com wrote:
>
> Ox Man,
>
> Used to have the same trouble when running non-radial tires...

Well, I've run 38 swampers, 44" boggers and now these 36.5 ATR mudders.
Never had a problem until now (after swapping axles and adding 2" more
lift). Did have a less severe problem on my big truck when it had 4"
lift and 32" BFG radials (turned out to be track bar bracket). Had NO
problem last week with these exact same 36.5's. I can't bel. it is the
tires, as they did not change from a week ago.

Yesterday I took half a day, welded up a 4 inch drop for track bar
bracket, put in new bushing and sleeve. I also welded up crossmember
from passenger side frame to just above where upper track bar end
mounts. I did not have time to drive it, but there is now zero play in
bushings (both ends), sleeve and track bar bolt/bracket holes. I should
also be able to rule out bracket flex (with new crossmember), even
though it should not matter. At least it should help with the big tires
and steering response, as even the stock bracket not lengthened flexes
big time on the frame

Thanks for all the thoughts :-)

OX


PS, if none of this works, I have the 35" BFG AT's that originally came
on the truck. I will swap the fronts and see if that clears it up.
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:35:51 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF

> Disclaimer: racing situations not included.
>

Come on John, you know all us racers fire that motor up and slam it in R
just to get off the trailer ... :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:47:07 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake

My van would only do it in one spot on my way to work. An invisible dip in
the road with a side twist in it that would bottom the suspension and force
the wheels toward one side at 45 mph which was the speed limit. Apparently
when it bounced back up it unloaded the suspension enough for what ever was
loose in there to allow the 33" tires which had been turned slightly by the
impact to begin oscilating, but not just vibrating or jumping around, I mean
lock to lock body slammers that threatened to tear the front axle right out.
It was impossible to control even with power steering. Only coasting to
something below 20 mph or so would end it. Applying brakes made it worse!

As I told OX, I put a more or less stock damper on it and this solved the
problem on that vehicle but apparently it doesn't have as much affect on
larger tires since Ox is still having this problem with a damper installed
which brings me to a discussion we had on the bronco list:

It seems that the larger the tires the more damping is required which, of
course, makes perfect sense. The consensus there was that when you get over
35" tires you need double dampers but less than that may have handling
problems if you use two since it also dampens the system's "return to
center" response and you may experince wandering even with a tight system.
This was the first thing I noticed on the van with the damper installed, it
tended to wander more than before but......it had very loose steering
linkage and ball joints so they didn't work well with the damper installed.

The key to all this I have observed is that first you must fix all the
loose, damaged stuff and get it alligned, then install a damper consistent
with the tires you have and you should have no problems with "Head Shake".
Right now I have good linkage conditions in my bronco and am running 33's
with no damper and no problems but it would handle better with a damper
IMHO. I intend to use dual dampers because I plan to go to larger tires
next time around but I may experience a little wandering when I put them on,
we'll see :-) If you omit any of these you are leaving yourself open to the
experience of a lifetime........not a fun one either :-( It's not my
intention to get everyone scared of it and run down to your local garage to
get it all fixed but to warn you to keep it in mind next time you have a
little wandering problem or feel more feed back from the suspension than
usual etc. to look into it just in case. Just one occurance of this "head
shake" thing (the kind I described as happening to my van) could cause some
serious damage to links, steering box bearings, ball joints etc. so it's not
something to play with.

Again, some of the things to watch out for are:

Don't just automatically throw a bunch of caster into your "C" bushings, too
much caster will exacerbate the "Return to center" response so that it may
actually begin to oscilate due to over travel

Keep the track bar, above all other links, good and tight so there is no
mush or free play in it

Keep the rest of the steering links in good condition and lubed so they
neither bind nor get sloppy

Keep it aligned properly. With a solid axle this usually means once during
the life of the axle for camber but toe adjusments any time you change a
component. Ball joint changes "can" change camber too but I wouldn't expect
much of a change since these are all turned and ground to center. With
TTB's and "I" beams there are more things to move so adjustment may be
needed more often.

Rotate the tires every oil change or 5k miles at least to keep them round
and cup free. Cupping can set up some awesome vibrations and howling. I've
rotated my daughter's tires on her 97 4x4 since it was new and she has over
50k on them now and they still look like new.

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> Ox Man,
>
> Used to have the same trouble when running non-radial
> tires.....they were
> Tru-Tracs. Anyone remember those things? They tended to
> "round out" after a
> few miles...
>
> The BFG A/T's took care of it....
>
> Seemed like the dashboard was going to fall off at about 35mph.....
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:51:37 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake

BUMP STEER! Just occured to me when I read this about your lift. The track
bar and drag link should be parallel with each other and the closer to
parallel with the ground you can get them the better as well but at least
they should be parallel with each other to prevent input from bumps
affecting the steering or the steering box resisting change so as to set up
an oscilation.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Yesterday I took half a day, welded up a 4 inch drop for track bar
> bracket, put in new bushing and sleeve. I also welded up crossmember
> from passenger side frame to just above where upper track bar end
> mounts. I did not have time to drive it, but there is now zero play in
> bushings (both ends), sleeve and track bar bolt/bracket
> holes.
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 07:57:31 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson ctc.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

Thanks for your message at 07:10 AM 1/4/00 -0800, Hogan, Tom. Your message
was:
>Don't have one on my 76. Did they add this to the 78/79s?
>
They go way back. I've had one on all my '62s (on replaced after a scary
ride over railroad tracks). As with any part that gets frequent use and
tend to be taken for granted, the hood latch and safety latch tend to be
topics of conversation after some frightening incident involving a
windshield full of nothing but hood...That is if you live to tell about it...
Not as bad as my friend's '56 Ford convertible when the hood flew up and
wrapped around the top of the windshield, almost giving me a concussion.
(The top was down). See...Another story to tell...I lived...

I just remembered. When I was into '48-'52 Ford Trucks, they had safety
latches, also. Probably even a law in most states requiring hood safety
latches...
Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:58:39 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

I believe mine operates with the main latch which is cool IMHO :-) It's
there, in front of the main latch, but requires no second lever like so many
new cars do, you just pull the main lever and both come out of the way.
Course the newer ones have the cable so you more or less have to have a
second lever to release the safety latch I suppose :-)

As someone mentioned, if you don't keep it lubed the safety latch will not
fully engage so it's useless in that case :-(

- --
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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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- --

> Don't have one on my 76. Did they add this to the 78/79s?
>
> Tom H

> > Don't you guys have the safety latches? There should be 2
> > latches, the
> > primary one that keeps it tight and a second "safety" latch
> > that allows it
> > to bob around but won't let it come open??
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:07:42 -0500
From: "Parsons, Raymond" rockymountainnews.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Whoops, Ouch

I have also had the latch fail; fortunately I have the hood chained and
locked so it only traveled about 2". I didn't find a problem with the latch
other than it was not completely closed due to lack of lubrication.
Ray
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:06:34 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake

Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
>

> As I told OX, I put a more or less stock damper on it and this solved the
> problem on that vehicle but apparently it doesn't have as much affect on
> larger tires since Ox is still having this problem with a damper installed
> which brings me to a discussion we had on the bronco list:
>
> It seems that the larger the tires the more damping is required which, of
> course, makes perfect sense.

Maybe, but I ran my big truck with the 44's and no damper for a year.
The only reason I put a single damper on, was I was eating up PS boxes
and off-road, with no pwer steering can rip your hand right off. I have
had zero problem with that truck and the biggest street legal (OK,
firestone makes a 46 :-)) tire you can buy.

OX
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:12:05 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake

Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
>
> BUMP STEER! Just occured to me when I read this about your lift. The track
> bar and drag link should be parallel with each other and the closer to
> parallel with the ground you can get them the better as well but at least
> they should be parallel with each other to prevent input from bumps
> affecting the steering or the steering box resisting change so as to set up
> an oscilation.
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
> --
>
> > Yesterday I took half a day, welded up a 4 inch drop for track bar
> > bracket, put in new bushing and sleeve. I also welded up crossmember
> > from passenger side frame to just above where upper track bar end
> > mounts. I did not have time to drive it, but there is now zero play in
> > bushings (both ends), sleeve and track bar bolt/bracket
> > holes.

Well, another good theory, but again, my big truck has 8" susp lift
and no drop brackets for track bar. The track bar is at a huge angle
compared to stock.

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It is an aftermarket adj, but that should not matter.

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:23:52 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys

My 79 came stock with a locking hood latch on the inside of the cab which
uses the ignition key. Don't know how feasible a swap would be or if all 79s
had this but it works well.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 5:57 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys


> as long as we are speaking of holding the hoods shut, are there
> any hood locks that are kept out of sight? how bought a better
> ignition key set?? theft always concerns me, even though any
> half wit theif could hot wire and old ford. i used to laugh at
> the movies at how quick a guy could hot wire one, until i owned
> and old truck!!



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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:25:47 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake

Ok, but if you did not put a drop pitman arm on then the drag link and track
bar should be parallel, right?

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- --

> Well, another good theory, but again, my big truck has 8" susp lift
> and no drop brackets for track bar. The track bar is at a huge angle
> compared to stock.
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:29:57 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves

All other things being equal (price, availability, etc.), should I go with
multi groove keeper or single groove keeper stainless valves on my 400?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"



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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:34:56 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys

I've seen these on broncos. Almost bought one that had this arangeement.
Wonder sometimes if it would be worth looking into for my 78. Looks very
similar to the old style E brake lever or handle. (real old :-))

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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- --

> My 79 came stock with a locking hood latch on the inside of
> the cab which
> uses the ignition key. Don't know how feasible a swap would
> be or if all 79s
> had this but it works well.
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:52:44 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves

Multi groove is always better if you can get the keepers to go with them.

- --
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- --

> All other things being equal (price, availability, etc.),
> should I go with
> multi groove keeper or single groove keeper stainless valves
> on my 400?
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:01:18 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves

I believe that's what came stock on these heads (74 casting Cleveland 2v)
and I think that the purpose of the multi grooves is to actually rotate the
valves? I've also heard that at high rpms, which my truck engine probably
won't see too often, the multi groove keepers can actually loosen enough to
allow the valve to drop into the cylinder.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


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Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves


> Multi groove is always better if you can get the keepers to go with them.



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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:26:07 -0600
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tail light trim

Back in the late summer I acquired a couple of trim rings from around the
tail lights of an E series van. Yesterday I finally installed them. Some day
I'll take pictures and post them. Today our Internet browser services don't
work. Nope, not Y2K, just an upgrade mistake by the MIS department. Anyway,
back to the trim rings. First, they do not fit exactly right. the van has a
bigger recess around the tail light lenses. The pickup trim is made to blend
with the trim on the tail gate, which I don't have. I used a body hammer to
bend down the flange around the outboard side of the trim ring so that it
would fit more flush. Then I drilled two holes in the truck above and below
the tail light and attached the ring with self tapping chrome screws. Then I
used brute force with the heel of my hand to mold the ring more to the body
contours. The right side, which I did second, looks better than the left
side which I did first. I got a little wild with the hammer on the left
side. I have to admit the trim rings look a little funny right now, I think
because I am not used to them yet.

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:38:20 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves

> I believe that's what came stock on these heads (74 casting Cleveland 2v)

Wow, that's cool if its true ...


> and I think that the purpose of the multi grooves is to actually
> rotate the
> valves?

usually there's a "rotater" on the end of the spring that does this, not the
actual grooves themselves ... also this is an exhaust thing mostly ... as
the intake doesn't have the hot spot problems 'cause it gets cooler intake
air passed over it ... where the exhaust is hot all the time so they rotate
it to help keep an even heating on the head and the valve ...

> I've also heard that at high rpms, which my truck engine probably
> won't see too often, the multi groove keepers can actually loosen
> enough to
> allow the valve to drop into the cylinder.

I would think you'd have to float the valves for this to happen, otherwise
there should always be pressure on those keepers shouldn't there ?

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:49:29 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves

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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Valves


> > I believe that's what came stock on these heads (74 casting Cleveland
2v)
>
> Wow, that's cool if its true ...
>

Woops...I didn't mean the heads came stock with stainless valves...just
multi groove...


> > and I think that the purpose of the multi grooves is to actually
> > rotate the
> > valves?
>
> usually there's a "rotater" on the end of the spring that does this, not
the
> actual grooves themselves ... also this is an exhaust thing mostly ... as
> the intake doesn't have the hot spot problems 'cause it gets cooler intake
> air passed over it ... where the exhaust is hot all the time so they
rotate
> it to help keep an even heating on the head and the valve ..

> > I've also heard that at high rpms, which my truck engine probably
> > won't see too often, the multi groove keepers can actually loosen
> > enough to
> > allow the valve to drop into the cylinder.
>
> I would think you'd have to float the valves for this to happen, otherwise
> there should always be pressure on those keepers shouldn't there ?
>

I read this on a website about the Ford
Cleveland...http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/3845/cleveland.html#cle
veland

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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:17:38 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake

Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
>
> Ok, but if you did not put a drop pitman arm on then the drag link and track
> bar should be parallel, right?
>

I did put a dropped pitman in the big truck. They are not parallel,
but they are not that far off.

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I did extend the pitman on the big bronc and made it adjustable with a
tie rod link setup, but not this green bronc with the shakes. I went
home at lunch and tried the green bronc, NO difference, just as bad.
Would not being on center in the steering box do it. I doubt it, cause I
ran that way for years with the big bronc, when I had only 4" lift. I'm
starting to think maybe it is shocks, as I had to swap them to longer
one's and they seem very week and floaty. I'm on the verge of putting
the 2" springs back and the stock rubber C-bushings.

Of course now the starting sol went and the water pump is leaking
(both happened just today :-(). Maybe this truck is trying to tell me
something !!! Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions Gary, I'll go
through everything again when my mood gets a little better!!

OX
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:32:56 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1/2 ton head shake

Tony Marino wrote:
>
> Yo OX!
>
> I know of this shake that you are talking about... I've had it happen to me
> 3 different times, for three different reasons. ('78 f-150 4x4, 4 inch
> lift, 4 degree bushings, all poly)
>
> The first reason was because of a set of tires I had that were in poor
> shape, and one of the cords was busted on it, causing that violent shaking
> where all you could do was just slam on the brakes and wait for it to
> stop.. (really fun on entrance ramps to the expressway)
>

Same tires I had last week, no shake at all.

> The second time it did it was when the trackbar upper braket that bolts to
> the frame was slightly loose, and I just welded it to the frame, and
> replaced all the trackbar poly once again, because the previous shaking had
> killed them.

Fixed all that, in fact overkilled it

> The third time was hard to find. It tuned out my power steering gearbox
> was actually a little bit loose and the slight 1/16 movement side to side
> that it was getting while I had somebody wiggle the wheel on dry pavement
> was hardly noticeable. I cranked those 3 bolts down, and of course
> stripped them out needing to put another set of nuts on the back of them,
> and then I replaced my loose rag joint and fixed the upper steering shaft
> universal, I haven't had the problem since in at least a year.

Should not have changed from last week. Does not seem loose, as I've
been under there with someoen else turning the steering backa nd forth
about 100 times all week.

> Tires and a slight toe-in are other big factors-- I didn't see anybody
> suggest it yet-- but if EVERYTHING is tight-- Head on down to an alignment
> shop and have them check it out.. If the tires are forced to work against
> each other, then can get into that nasty resonance that causes the shake.

Toe should be the same as last week. I initally had same tie rods as
last week. I did swap out both tie rods after the inital shaking
started. I toed it in some from where it was in my last round of
"fixes" yesterday. No better.

Thanks for the suggestions


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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:45:02 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

Ok, I'll look. But when I open mine just pull once on a latch on the front
of the grille (inside a bit) and the hood goes up.

Tom H

> -----Original Message-----
> From: William S. Hart [mailto:wishiastate.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 7:21 AM
> To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!
>
>
> > Don't have one on my 76. Did they add this to the 78/79s?
> >
>
> Sure you do ... some people call it a "wind latch" its the
> second taller
> part that catches the hood when you lift it a little bit
> ...even my 73 has
> one ... they've been on cars since ... well I think even our
> 57 has one on
> it ... the idea is it will catch before the hood actually
> flies up ... we
> all know as they get older they don't move as well and may
> actually do very
> little in this dept.
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:57:32 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

> Ok, I'll look. But when I open mine just pull once on a latch on
> the front
> of the grille (inside a bit) and the hood goes up.
>
Yup, there's only one lever, but 2 latches ... if you look one is a door
style latch (as far as the way it looks, not the way it acts necessarily)
and that's at the bottom of the mechanism on the radiator support, then a
bit farther up is a piece of metal with a hook on it, looks kind of like
half of an up arrow, that's the safety latch portion ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:18:40 -0800
From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys

Anybody made this change on an E-series? With nearly $200 worth of
batteries under my hood and needing SWMBO be able to open it (the chain and
padlock idea has been shot down) if needed has me interested in this...
Rich
77 E150

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From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) [mailto:gpeters3visteon.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 8:35 AM
To: '61-79-listford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!..locks & keys


I've seen these on broncos. Almost bought one that had this arangeement.
Wonder sometimes if it would be worth looking into for my 78. Looks very
similar to the old style E brake lever or handle. (real old :-))

- --
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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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- --

> My 79 came stock with a locking hood latch on the inside of
> the cab which
> uses the ignition key. Don't know how feasible a swap would
> be or if all 79s
> had this but it works well.
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:34:59 -0500
From: oldfords63juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: C-6 problems

Matt- 6 times is WAY too many. Try looking at other areas too. Converter
run-out, crank flange run-out, Crank snout bore, and converter pilot hub
and flex plate integrity are good places to start. I assume the pump was
checked and or changed some where along the way? Good luck, you could use
some !! Phil
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:04:29 -0500
From: am14daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE

A Bernal writes: >>And about the comparison. What's more or less the
"potential" or " output"
of the 390 engine. Any uplifting things it does? Why would the original
owner or some other owner put a 390 engine on a f-100 4x4? Factory or just
someone wanted something bigger in the hood?<<

Most people upgrade to the 390 from the 360 because it is fairly cheap to
do. Same bore but requires different pistons due to the wristpin location.
I think it uses the same rod length, so you don't have that expense. Go to
your favorite crankshaft regrinder and purchase a crankshaft for the 390
for probably less than $150.00 with no trade in (core). That is strictly a
guess. Outside dimensions are identical on all FE's, so no one can tell for
sure by appearance wheather it is a 332/352/360/390/406/410/427 or 428.

The 390 will out pull a 360, out run a 360 and probably get better gas
mileage. Those are the reasons most people use. Me - I like cubic inches.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 14:00:52 -0800
From: wicowboy gateway.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whoops.....Ouch!

William King wrote:
>
> There was a discussion about "Ford flying hood syndrome" about a year ago
> on the list. Had it happen to me on the interstate about 4 years ago.
> I installed two eye-bolts (one on the hood, the other near the grill),
> attached a foot of chain to the hood, and now use a padlock to lock
> the chain to the grill area. Keeps my hood locked and will keep it from
> flying
> onto the windshield if it ever unlatches again. The last time this problem
> made the list, some people talked about using cable-operated catches (like
> on new cars) to ensure the hood stays closed. Personally, I like the chain
> and padlock. Not pretty, but simple.
> Ohio Bill

I have the chain and padlock on my trucks also, not only for saftety but
to keep the theives out from under my hood. Those performance parts are
cheap!
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:28:16 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE

> I think it uses the same rod length, so you don't have that expense.

Sorry, you do have that expense, it uses a different rod :( the 360 uses a
longer one ...

> The 390 will out pull a 360, out run a 360 and probably get better gas
> mileage. Those are the reasons most people use.

I've got about the same mileage actually, which is why the 390 is preferred,
or so I've heard ... same mileage with more power, fewer sacrafices that way
:)

> Me - I like
> cubic inches.
>

That's always true here too, though my little 281 isn't as disappointing as
you'd think :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:28:46 -0500
From: am14daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil input opening

Ted F. writes: >>I didn't catch the first post, but on some of the older
4V intakes had an oil
fill spout on the front of the intake, which is on the passenger side of
the
motor. I don't know if it's relevant to this conversation or not, though<<

Through '63 for sure 2bbls as well as 4bbls. I think the '65 went to the
rocker arm covers, but it might have been '66. My '67 Galaxie 2dr ht had
it in the covers for sure.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:30:48 -0500
From: tfreemanmurphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE

You'll need the connecting rods as well. The 360 uses the long rod and the 390
uses the short one.

- -Ted





A Bernal writes: >>And about the comparison. What's more or less the
"potential" or " output"
of the 390 engine. Any uplifting things it does? Why would the original
owner or some other owner put a 390 engine on a f-100 4x4? Factory or just
someone wanted something bigger in the hood?<<

Most people upgrade to the 390 from the 360 because it is fairly cheap to
do. Same bore but requires different pistons due to the wristpin location.
I think it uses the same rod length, so you don't have that expense. Go to
your favorite crankshaft regrinder and purchase a crankshaft for the 390
for probably less than $150.00 with no trade in (core). That is strictly a
guess. Outside dimensions are identical on all FE's, so no one can tell for
sure by appearance wheather it is a 332/352/360/390/406/410/427 or 428.

The 390 will out pull a 360, out run a 360 and probably get better gas
mileage. Those are the reasons most people use. Me - I like cubic inches.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:15:33 -0500
From: am14daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 Output

William H. writes: >>Ffactory trim was over 300hp in some vehicles<<

1961 Starliner I bought new off the showroom floor rated 375hp. Single
4bbl, cast iron headers(shorties), solid lifters. Got a very respectable
15-17 mpg with the 3 speed on the tree with elect OD. Ran like a scalded
dog when you wanted it to, yet was very mild mannered. I later added the 3
2bbls and ran these on many FE's from then until 1994 when I sold my '76
F150 BiCentennial addition 4X4 that I installed a slightly warmed over
428SCJ in.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:00:23 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mechanics in general

After several months of being on this list, the biggest thing I've
learned is that even old-timers who have been working on these machines
since they were kids still have to struggle mightely sometimes to figure
out the right way of handling some problem. So it seems to me that that,
if I'm looking around San Francisco for someone to fix my truck, the
average mechanic, who spends most of his time dealing with a vast
assortment of highly complex modern autos, couldn't possible have an
understanding of all the stuff he's faced with, and would have little
chance of knowing how to deal with my '72 pickup.

The fellow that I went to when I had the clutch fork trouble seemed like
a bright young guy, but turned out to be totally unfamiliar with the
problem, with the result that at one point, when he had the thing apart,
he was saying that "there seemed to be something missing" and it was up
to me to suggest that it might be the fulcrum, which was indeed the
case. I figured if you've got a lever, you've got to have a fulcrum, and
sure enough, he shined a light inside the bell housing and you could see
where something had broken off.

In a small town, where people know each other, word-of-mouth probably
takes care of this problem, I imagine. But in the big city, with
thousands of mechanics' businesses, there needs to be some way for
people to communicate about these things. Up until recently, I didn't
know anybody else who had an old truck like mine. Now I know one. And I
still haven't found a mechanic who knows his old trucks.
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:58:10 -0500
From: am14daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 5 speed

Gary writes: >>Only one I can think of is the Clark that was actually used
with this engine
and has the capacity to handle the torque on a daily basis. I think Azie
has one set up with a clark so when he gets back Monday, give him a jingle
<<

I wanted one, but not anymore. I have a Clark 5 sp but it is not OD. The
only OD is Model #2820V0. Mine is Model #285v23 out of a '73 F700. It
will stand all the torque and punishment you can give it in an F100. I
purchased a Spicer 5831 Aux transmission that I'm going to figure out how
to mount in my '77 4X4 with divorced TC. I want to mount it between the C6
and the NP205. The Spicer 5831 has 2:1 - direct: and .080 (or thereabouts)
OD. My '77 has 4.11:1 rear and 4.10:1 front. It ought to be a "HOSS" with
the 460 in place and this drive line. (The 460 is in it - not the Spicer
Aux yet).

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:05:54 -0800
From: "ROCH FRAPPIER" attcanada.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - new member

Just to say hello since I'm new to the list. I own a 1977 f100 flareside,
400 engine and in need of lots of TLC. Hope to be driving it soon.

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:17:08 -0500
From: am14daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - hi boy

Brian writes: >>A friend told me the last year Ford made them was 76.
Mine is
stamped January 77.<<

A 1976 model year truck could have been built from August of '75 thru July
of 76. If your truck was built in Jan '77, then it is a '77. I think
they built Hi Boys in '77, too.

Someone give him a sure fire way to determine if he has a Hi Boy!!!!!!!
Somehthing about the front axle, I think!!!!!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:13:50 -0800
From: "Chuck White" jps.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rough running on Damp mornings

Just to recap I have been having occasional problems with really rough
running on cold and wet mornings for the first couple of minutes after
startup. Thanks to all of your suggestions concerning carburetor and choke
problems. The choke is working perfectly and the carburetor also appears to
be working perfectly. This morning the same thing happened again. Thinking
about the rainy weather I took off the distributor cap. I couldn't see any
moisture in there but I wiped it out with a rag anyway and that seemed to
solve the problem. Does anybody know if there is anything made for this
type of problem that I can spray on the inside of the cap to prevent this
from happening. I thought of silicone but I don't want to mess anything up
without checking first. And I sure don't want to have to stand out in the
rain wiping the cap to make it go.

Chuck
'71 F-250 390 C-6

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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:41:52 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rough running on Damp mornings

> I
> couldn't see any
> moisture in there but I wiped it out with a rag anyway and that seemed to
> solve the problem.

I got a new cap from the parts store, borq warner part I think, it snapped
on tight and sealed well, haven't had that problem at all with the new cap
(rarely had it before) at any rate I was really impressed with the fit,
best cap I've ever had, will hate to change it out, but likely that's the
best answer...

another answer is to hit the salvage yards, the 5.0's had a boot around
their dist's that protected them from this, it'll be too big for your small
cap, but may work anyway .... I think it was 87+ 5.0's on the big cars and
the stangs ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:45:16 -0800
From: "A Bernal" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE

What is the rival of the 390? (in engine).
Can the 390 out pull a 400/351m?
Thanks for the previous answers. I was looking for those answers. Thanks
again.
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Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 FE


>
> > I think it uses the same rod length, so you don't have that expense.
>
> Sorry, you do have that expense, it uses a different rod :( the 360 uses
a
> longer one ...
>
> > The 390 will out pull a 360, out run a 360 and probably get better gas
> > mileage. Those are the reasons most people use.
>
> I've got about the same mileage actually, which is why the 390 is
preferred,
> or so I've heard ... same mileage with more power, fewer sacrafices that
way
> :)
>
> > Me - I like
> > cubic inches.
> >
>
> That's always true here too, though my little 281 isn't as disappointing
as
> you'd think :)
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:57:06 -0800
From: "Charles T." hal-pc.org>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - test

other post didn't go thru.....testing this one

79 F150 4x4 swb 460 swap

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