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61-79-list-digest Monday, January 3 2000 Volume 04 : Number 001



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 5 speed transmission
FTE 61-79 - Gessford Machine
FTE 61-79 - Truck Use survey
Re: FTE 61-79 - answers to survey
Re: FTE 61-79 - 5 speed transmission
FTE 61-79 - E-brake
FTE 61-79 - Re:To EGR or not to EGR
FTE 61-79 - fuel pump woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - 5 speed transmission
FTE 61-79 - Vacuum probs/diagrams for 400M (long)
FTE 61-79 - Re: T-case parking brake

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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 08:08:17 -0600
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 5 speed transmission

At 08:49 PM 1/1/00 -0800, you wrote:
>I have noticed there has been some recent discussion of 5 speed
>transmissions and having done some research into this recently for a
>customer ( I work for a performance oriented machine shop), I can tell you
>that this is possible if you have an FE.

Please tell us more!!! I wanna know how it turns out!

I have seen Tremec TKO trannies run between 1400 to 1500 bucks new at some
Mustang speed shops.
Dunno the ratings of them and it they would handle the torque of an FE.
They are a direct replacement for the Borg Warner T-5 I am sure.

Don't the T-5 and T-56 have the same bolt pattern?
Couldn't a person then use the T-56 which is a 6 speed and
is listed here in a rag with two different torque ratings, one of 440 ft
pounds and one that can handle 550 ft pounds.
Cost there would be between 2300 and 3000 bucks.

hhmmmm, Wish, you are up on the Mustangs....whadda ya think?? Will it work??


Mcleod clutch offers an adapter
>plate that when used with a Lakewood scattershield bellhousing allows you to
>use a Tremec TKO 5 speed trans behind the FE engines. I don't know enough
>about the trans to say weather or not it will hold up to heavy duty usage
>(towing ,ect..) though. We will be trying this setup in a '66 Galaxy with a
>very healthy 390 in the near future as


Please make sure you fully document all the details so we can have this
info for future reference!

Thanks!


Stu
Nuke GM!


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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 08:15:52 -0600
From: ballingr bootheel.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gessford Machine

: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://gessford.com/cobraparts/fflywhee.htm This is where I
got this info as well. Like I said earlier I don't know alot about these
transmissions, I believe they were used in some newer applications (maybe
someone out there can confirm this) but they are available new as well.
Although I'm sure they're not cheap though. Best Regards, Steve
Salas
>>>

That's George and Josie Anderson's shop up in Nebraska. Fine people, and
they won't steer you wrong.

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Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 10:50:21 -0500
From: davewild tc3net.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Use survey

> 1. What year and model truck do you have?
1978 F150 Custom 2wd ,300 staight six ,3 on the tree
> 2. Which of the following best describes your truck:
> C. Running truck with decent body and mostly original
> components but needs work.
Bought the truck in 97' had 120K miles on it, NO RUST although
had small electrical problem( stuff inside the cab would just shut
off) was just the engine mounts broke and pulled the ground strap
off of the cab. Otherwise as stock as they get
> 3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine
basis?
I live in MI and go to school and stay in IN during the week, This
truck had 120K miles on it when I bought it now it has 180K and
still counting. This truck has only left me stuck twice in the 2 3/4
yrs. I have owned it, once the started cracked in half , second the
clutch fork pivot in the bell housing broke. Trust it to go anywhere.
I use it to pull my 19' travel trailer up and back from Northern MI.

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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 11:25:10 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - answers to survey

In a message dated 12/31/1999 2:18:16 AM !!!First Boot!!!, IanBoss69 aol.com
writes:

<< WOW! Another chick on the list? AWESOME!!!!
>
> *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
> *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for girls!~*~*
>
> P.S. I meant "chick" with the utmost respect! =P
you're willing to share all of the guys' attention lisa?
>>

NO WAY JOSE! I may be a lil jealous here! *pout* he!he!

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 09:12:21 -0800 (PST)
From: canzusseanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 5 speed transmission

At 08:49 PM 1:1:00 -0800, Steven Salas wrote:

Snippage...

>Mcleod clutch offers an adapter
>plate that when used with a Lakewood scattershield bellhousing allows you to
>use a Tremec TKO 5 speed trans behind the FE engines.

IIRC, thats the unit they used behind the 5.8L(351W) Cobra R's.

> I don't know enough
>about the trans to say weather or not it will hold up to heavy duty usage
>(towing ,ect..) though. We will be trying this setup in a '66 Galaxy with a
>very healthy 390 in the near future as the above mentioned customer has
>already bought most of the parts necessary (including the adapter which I
>currently have in my possesion... :).

According to the FMS catalog, they will put up with 350 ft/lbs torque,
Not exactly what I'd want behind a 390 with a little snort...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 10:10:01 -0800
From: "S.Harkema" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - E-brake

>It had a driveshaft drum brake for a parking brake. As long as
>the wheels were on the ground it locked the transmission and the rear
>wheels


I must have missed the original thread on this.We used to have a F-500
w/T-18 that had a drum parking brake on the out put shaft.
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 12:06:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:To EGR or not to EGR

Ed,

If you go to a non-EGR manifold, you will need a carb
for a non-EGR motor. Or you will need a 600CFM Holley
or Edelbrock(preferred), that is jetted for non-EGR.
The reason is that the carb must be jetted richer for
a non-EGR motor. I have a 400 w/ an Edelbrock
Performer manifold and a Carter 750 CFM carb, no EGR.
They only other thing to worry about is the smog
police.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V


>Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:10:57 EST
>From: SMOKEY5209aol.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - To EGR or not to EGR

>I am in the process of rebuilding a 400 V-8 and was
>looking into an intake manifold. There are EGR and
>non-EGR models. Is there a way to use the non-EGR
>model on the 400 even though it came from a later
>model truck. Without the EGR what changes would I
have >to make. What are the advantages and
disadvantages?

>Thanks in Advance
>Ed

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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 08:55:24 -0600
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - fuel pump woes

>> Did the pump crack? If not how did it pump gas into the crankcase? Please
explain, for I am quite confused.....
Brad<<

Brad,
It was the original fuel pump. Either the area where the diaphragm attaches
to the case deteriorated or the diaphragm ruptured or cracked. From the
outside, the old fuel pump looked perfectly normal.

Pat, thanks for the timely answer to Brad's question. I have been on
vacation for two weeks, thus my slow response.

- -- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 15:43:57 -0500
From: "John F. Bauer III" flashcom.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 5 speed transmission

>
>Don't the T-5 and T-56 have the same bolt pattern?
>Couldn't a person then use the T-56 which is a 6 speed and
>is listed here in a rag with two different torque ratings, one of 440 ft
>pounds and one that can handle 550 ft pounds.
>Cost there would be between 2300 and 3000 bucks.

My research has the T-5 as having a different bolt pattern than the Ford
3spd, 4spd, NP435, etc. The top two bolts line up with the stock
bellhousing, but the bottom two are approx 1.5" towards each other from
where the holes in the bellhousing are located. I personally brought my
bellhousing to a yard that had a T-5 pulled from a mustang. The input
shafts (part that goes through the clutch disc and into the pilot bearing)
were of different lengths and the number of "teeth" for the clutch disc
were more numerous on the T-5. The circular hole that the trans inserts
into in the bellhousings are also different sizes, T-5 being smaller. Just
passing this on from a one time inspection of the use of a T-5 in my van.
BTW, the T-5 just looks pretty darn whimpy when I got a good look at it.

A site that seems to have some experience with putting Tremecs and T-X
trans into mustangs is www.darkhorseperformance.com. I do not work for
them and haven't ordered anything from them, just spoke with a guy on the
phone who didn't hang up on me when I said I was looking to put a 5 speed
man. in my Ford van ...

John


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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 13:59:28 -0800
From: "Jeff Norville" sosinet.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vacuum probs/diagrams for 400M (long)

Howdy, and Happy 1900:

First, THANKS to all for your help, input and patience as I swapped motors
in my 79 Bronco; all-stock carb, motor, hd clutch, etc. is (mostly) working
great. Did the cam break-in just before New Years and have been driving it
a little since then... Lots more power, less smoke, whew. BUT:

The vacuum hoses don't seem to be routed correctly. The original owner
mentioned that he had "improved" the performance by re routing some of them
- - and replacing a temperature valve with a plug, etc...

The thing will just not idle correctly. Yes, carb was factory set, playing
with mixtures didn't improve anything (had a knowledgeable mechanic friend
help out here), idle is even set high to prevent from stalling.

The only thing I have come up with so far is the vacuum advance to the dizzy
seems to be constantly applied through the current hose; don't know which
hose should be on there, probably the one from the temperature valve that's
gone... And the carb port labelled 'E' is plugged, which seems wrong.

The new vacuum gauge mounted on my dash (nifty FTE suggestion) reads low;
idles around 16, runs (~2400 rpm) at 10 - 11 in Hg. Think that should be 20
and 16 respectively, right? But I have plugged the leaks (I think) ...

I have systematically replaced vac hoses and made sure everything matched
the "original" setup as per masking tape; I can't seem to find a matching
diagram in Chiltons, though. Next step will be to test all valves, then try
re routing vac hoses to match something in the book.

Sound like the thing to do? Any quicker fixes?

Other question: old carb had a plug under the choke for a wire to the dash -
new carb's choke doesn't have any place to plug in the wire, though the carb
is otherwise identical... Doesn't seem to be a likely cause of the rough
idle as it happens whether motor is cold or warm.

Thanks again. Sorry for the long post.

Jeff

79 Bronco
400M 4spd
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 20:52:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Rubberducky23webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: T-case parking brake

Older Jeep CJ's that use the Dana/Spicer model 18 transfer case came
with the rear driveshaft mounted, drum parking brake also. (my 48 Willys
CJ2A had one).I bet they will be more plentiful and easier to find than
classic car stuff.

Laters, Danny Ling

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