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From: owner-61-79-list-digest To: 61-79-list-digest Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #485 Reply-To: 61-79-list Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Sunday, January 2 2000 Volume 03 : Number 485 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - vacuum tuning FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING Re: FTE 61-79 - New 73-79 catalog - Free Re: FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING FTE 61-79 - transfer case brake FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF FTE 61-79 - fuel pump woes RE: FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING FTE 61-79 - washer and misc details for 67-71 trucks (and my '87 olds cutlass supreme) Re: FTE 61-79 - Various FTE 61-79 - To EGR or not to EGR Re: FTE 61-79 - washer and misc details for 67-71 trucks (and my '87 olds cutlass supreme) Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas sCrap law Re: FTE 61-79 - To EGR or not to EGR Re: FTE 61-79 - washer and misc details for 67-71 trucks (and my '87 olds cut... FTE 61-79 - Re: 73-79 Catalog - Free FTE 61-79 - Survey FTE 61-79 - 5 speed transmission FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey 2 ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 10:49:08 -0500 From: "Larry Coffman" Subject: FTE 61-79 - vacuum tuning A while back, someone posted either an article or an address about tuning with a vacuum gauge. anyone still have that? I seem to have misplaced it and the ol` 66 needs a little help! Larry Coffman coffman 66 F-100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 12:21:27 CST From: "Luke Phillips" Subject: FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING What was the first year FORD offered power steering for the 240 300 I6? ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 13:27:21 EST From: WEDIVE247 Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New 73-79 catalog - Free In a message dated 1/1/2000 1:08:58 AM EST, DRVNDBUS << i am interested in obtaining a new catalog for the year of 2000 . thanks for the email 77 ford f100 drvndbus I'm thinking that the autokrafters guy wanted those who are interested in recieving a 2000 73-79 catalog to e-mail their request to www. autokrafters. com== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 14:21:02 EST From: TBeeee Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING In a message dated 1/1/00 1:24:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, lukes67ford > What was the first year FORD offered power steering for the 240 300 I6? Aweful good question Luke. I don't know right off. I assume you are searching for a PS set-up to add to your truck. I will say this...the 240 was first introduced in 1965 along with the 300. The 240 was last used in trucks for the 1974 model year. Of course the 300 continued for many years. PS was first available as a factory option starting in 1966; however, I believe it was available as a dealer installed option prior to that. Regardless, I would think that 1965 would have to be the earliest truck you could salvage one from since that is the first year of the 240. I hope this helps. Thom == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:38:02 -0600 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - transfer case brake Ox and Gary, My first car was a 1961 Chrysler Newport with a pushbutton automatic transmission. It had a driveshaft drum brake for a parking brake. As long as the wheels were on the ground it locked the transmission and the rear wheels. Lots of Mopars of this approximate vintage had a similar setup. If you find one, it might give some clues about how to fabricate or imitate. I can see all sorts of possibilities with a separate brake for the front and rear or maybe between the transmission and the transfer case. - -- John jlagrone 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:36:57 -0600 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF >> Faster (read harder) shifts cause less wear. Smooth shifts mean there is slippage between<< Brad, George, No, not in an auto, not at street speeds. The harshness of the shift in a properly assembled automatic has to do with the clutches all right, but not the bands. Each clutch is an assembly of alternating metal and friction material rings, some notched on the inside, some on the outside. The first metal ring determines the harshness of the shift. A smooth shifting transmission has a first ring made with waves. A harsh shifting transmission will have a flat first ring. There is the same amount of slippage in the clutch either way at street speeds or the slippage is negligible. A harsh shift will slam your other drive train components unnecessarily IMHO. In reverse, all bands and clutches are engaged. In low, all are engaged but one. As you up shift, something releases each time. A band never engages to cause an up shift and generally only causes the low range unit to engage which usually means you are stopped or going very slow. In high gear on a 1:1 automatic, all clutches and bands are released. Racing or performance transmissions are another matter. - -- John jlagrone 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:16:41 -0600 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - fuel pump woes I decided on the Carter, Federal-Mogul lifetime warranty fuel pump from O'Reilly Auto Parts (formerly HiLo). It cost $24.95 plus tax. I had no problems with the replacement. I changed the oil and filter, greased the front end and drive shaft, checked the big nut on the differential, replaced all of the rubber fuel line, made sure the fuel line was not running too close to any hot surfaces, tightened the rocker arm covers, vacuumed the inside (well... it seemed like the thing to do at the time). Phew!! I was expecting to crank and crank to get fuel back to the carb. Turned the key and it fired right up. My oil pressure is back. The stinking odor was the thinned oil running from the rocker arm cover onto the passenger side of the Y pipe just beyond the manifold. I think that my Havoline 30 wt. and the STP Oil Treatment saved my engine from major damage. Although the oil was thinned, it took forever for the crankcase to drain fully. It had to be the STP retaining its syrupy consistency. I got about 9 quarts of fluid out of the crankcase instead of the usual 5 1/2 to 6. The gasoline had mixed fully with the oil. The experience I had in the mid 70s in an FE with Pennzoil yielded gasoline and oil separated in the crank case. Henry's favorite song, by Texan Willie Nelson: On The Road Again......... Took Henry to town and back awhile ago. It looks like everything is pretty much back to normal. Only time will tell for sure. - -- John jlagrone 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:33:48 -0800 From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING We got the entire P/S setup for my in-law's '67 F100 240-6 off of a '72 F100 with a 300-6. We did not do the installation, (my ex-brother in law did) but AFAIK, everything bolted up w/no problems. - -----Original Message----- From: TBeeee Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 11:21 AM To: 61-79-list Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - POWER STEERING In a message dated 1/1/00 1:24:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, lukes67ford > What was the first year FORD offered power steering for the 240 300 I6? Aweful good question Luke. I don't know right off. I assume you are searching for a PS set-up to add to your truck. I will say this...the 240 was first introduced in 1965 along with the 300. The 240 was last used in trucks for the 1974 model year. Of course the 300 continued for many years. PS was first available as a factory option starting in 1966; however, I believe it was available as a dealer installed option prior to that. Regardless, I would think that 1965 would have to be the earliest truck you could salvage one from since that is the first year of the 240. I hope this helps. Thom == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:58:00 -0600 From: "Daniel R. Olinick" Subject: FTE 61-79 - washer and misc details for 67-71 trucks (and my '87 olds cutlass supreme) Today I went down to the local salvage yard to get a power window switch for my '87 olds. While I was there I picked up some stuff for my '71 f100. I got the parts for my wiper's washer. I found a washer fluid resivour(egad spelling?) and some rubber hoses and sprayers. Well I hooked up the wires to the pump and it works. I just don't know how or if I can connect it to the wiper switch. I plan to just ad a momentary switch so I can spray my cracked windshield at will. There are plenty of wires and splices all over the place I don't know what they were for. I also found an original chrome ring for "cargo" lights. I also saw the chrome bracket for an am/radio. I want to save these things but I know I will never have a use for them. I know someone else will but I can't buy everything I see. If you have a 67-71 you know how the lights, wipers, cig-lighter, have a little chrome ring around them. If you want the little ring which says "cargo" I will mail it to you. I bought it! I always see a few of these trucks at salvage yards. Today I found an air conditioning vent system with fan. I also saw one with a power steering pump. Another had this strange little metal device which mounted under where the carb used to be and was connected to the heater hoses(or radiator). I hate to leave these things behind but I have no use for them. What is that? Is it the thing you have been writing about to heat the intake gasses? One thing I cannot find is a jack. I want an original jack. If I am correct it is supposed to mount on the drivers side fender under the hood. I always see a bracket there but nothing in it. sorry about this ramble but I like going to the local salvage yards(San Antonio, TX) and hate to see good trucks (parts) go to waste. Daniel R. Olinick (dolinick (dolinick p.s. actually I stuck the little chrome "cargo" ring in my pocket. I didn't pay for it. :( == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 12:18:15 -0800 From: Mike Pacheco Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Various Go to a good muffler shop, they will help you with the H pipe.. had it done to mine, it sure evens out the exhaust. Mike in Burien == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:10:57 EST From: SMOKEY5209 Subject: FTE 61-79 - To EGR or not to EGR I am in the process of rebuilding a 400 V-8 and was looking into an intake manifold. There are EGR and non-EGR models. Is there a way to use the non-EGR model on the 400 even though it came from a later model truck. Without the EGR what changes would I have to make. What are the advantages and disadvantages? Thanks in Advance Ed == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 14:16:44 -0700 From: "Michael White" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - washer and misc details for 67-71 trucks (and my '87 olds cutlass supreme) > One thing I cannot find is a jack. I want an original jack. If I am > correct it > is supposed to mount on the drivers side fender under the hood. I always > see a bracket there but nothing in it. > > Daniel R. Olinick (dolinick > (dolinick ........ I got tired of looking at the empty bracket on my 69 F250, so I bought a bottleneck jack (with threaded neck for height adjustment) and mounted it on the inside of the drivers fender. The new jack was larger in diameter than the original, so I had to upgrade the mounting bracket to include a longer piece of 1/4" allthread in order to get the wing nut into place .If memory serves correctly the original jack does not have the threaded portion on the neck to allow for height adjustment. Why settle for a 30 year old stock jack that is not "user friendly", when you can buy a new one for about $20 that is? Michael White danger == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:36:30 EST From: GMontgo930 Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas sCrap law Man I sure hate hearing about those Smog Nazi's and their plans. Ive got my '79 and have no Idea how she'd fair in an emmisions test & am thankfull I live in the swamps of central Fl. and dont have to mess with them. We've only got a few counties that do (Tampa Bay, and Jacksonville area's as far as I know). I guess somday I could take a road trip and get it smog tested to see where Im at and weather I need to install a pair of Cats again (The origional owner pulled them and installed duals, a Texas thing I observed from when I was out there). I still prefer to be left alone till it's old enough not to bother with! George In a message dated 12/31/99 7:16:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, patb writes: > Brett asks: > > > > Pat, > > Since we're about to feel California smog laws up our Texas Tailpipe, > > how exactly does this '73 cutoff work? Is this year set in stone? > > Or is this some sort of a sliding window, where each year they > > only test back 27 years? > > This was created a couple of years back. It is fixed until 2004, > when it will become a rolling 30 year limit. I figure I'll ask > dad for his '78 F250 (~50k miles) in 2008 :-) > > > Secondly, how about those mobile smog sniffers they place > > along the freeway? If you zip by in your stock '70 F100 it obviously > > makes the machine go "TILT". Do they send you a nastigram in the > > mail? Ticket? Dispatch a Smog Nazi to arrest you? > > So far, these have been used on a trial basis only, IIRC in > San Diego (City?/County?), and perhaps elswhere in that other > state of Southern California. Although the federales have > blackmailed the state heavilly (threatening hiway funds cutoff), > the legislature has resisted, instead choosing to look into a > sort of "Car Welfare", where the state will assist those that > cannot afford a new car, or even to fix thier old. The studies > so far indicate it will cost the state less to fix gross polluters > than to crush them, thus sending the owners to the unemployment > lines. Crushing DOES still happen, but I don't believe it is > very common with the outcry that accompanied the original plan. > > > Oh, I love Merc outboards, too. Are they completely banned or what? > > Two-strokes are being banned from the states lakes, as MTBE > is spreading through the system. Lake Tahoe is the most > notable I can think of, as of last spring/summer. Sales of > two strokes will be banned soon, but manufacturers already > have four cycle alternatives available. I'm not sure if anyone > will actually have to throw away older stuff right away, but > eventually they will have a hard time finding a legal lake to > run it on. MTBE itself is on the hit list, but the last time > I looked it seemed like it's going to take longer to get rid > of it than it than it took to implement it. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:42:26 EST From: GMontgo930 Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - To EGR or not to EGR Ed I'll just tell ya what Ive done. Im sure others can give you more details. Ive got an intake (non egr) installed on my 400 along woth a Holly 600. I chose it cause my egr setup had been pluged for may thousands of miles and she was still running fine. It made it one less thing to mess with and maintain which Im all for. Now their is an emmisions impact with leaving it off and I think the NOX will be higher. I guess it boils down to this - It's nor absolutly needed to run and run well. But if your in a smog regulated area, your probibly gonna need it. George M In a message dated 1/1/00 4:14:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, SMOKEY5209 > I am in the process of rebuilding a 400 V-8 and was looking into an intake > manifold. There are EGR and non-EGR models. Is there a way to use the non- > EGR > model on the 400 even though it came from a later model truck. Without the > EGR what changes would I have to make. What are the advantages and > disadvantages? > Thanks in Advance > Ed == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:53:27 EST From: GMontgo930 Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - washer and misc details for 67-71 trucks (and my '87 olds cut... In a message dated 1/1/00 4:18:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, danger > > > One thing I cannot find is a jack. I want an original jack. If I am > > correct it > > is supposed to mount on the drivers side fender under the hood. I always > > see a bracket there but nothing in it. > > > > Daniel R. Olinick (dolinick > > (dolinick > ........ > > I got tired of looking at the empty bracket on my 69 F250, so I bought a > bottleneck jack (with threaded neck for height adjustment) and mounted it on > the inside of the drivers fender. The new jack was larger in diameter than > the original, so I had to upgrade the mounting bracket to include a longer > piece of 1/4" allthread in order to get the wing nut into place .If memory > serves correctly the original jack does not have the threaded portion on the > neck to allow for height adjustment. Why settle for a 30 year old stock jack > that is not "user friendly", when you can buy a new one for about $20 that > is? > > But look at the conversation factor involved with the stock jack, tire iron & crank handle! I'd bet in a few years that a lot of people wont know what one of the stock jacks look like! Ive still got mine in my Bronco and it's never been used except to hide the magnetic can opener I carry to open oil cans (now talk about an antique). I use the bottle jack stashed in my emergency kit in the back for the few times I've needed it. Here at the house theirs always the rolling floor jack - 5 pumps and the whole front is off the ground! Fast and easy, but also a bit to heavy to carry in the field! $1.295 worth from George M == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 18:38:11 -0500 From: "Ronald D. Miller" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 73-79 Catalog - Free Email address for free truck parts catalog is akraft web address is www.autokrafters. com> From: owner-61-79-list-digest > Reply-To: 61-79-list > Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 05:31:12 -0500 (EST) > To: 61-79-list-digest > Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #484 > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ronald D. Miller > To: <61-79-list > Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 10:53 AM > Subject: FTE 61-79 - New 73-79 catalog - Free > > >> We are ready to print our newly revised 2000 catalog covering 73-79 > F-series >> pickups. Please email me off the list if you would like to have one > mailed >> to you when they are ready. If you have purchased from us in the last 18 >> months, (Thanks for your business!) you will get one automatically and do >> not need to reply. Please specify vehicle when responding. Thanks, Ron >> Miller Auto Krafters, Inc. >> >> P.S. Check out our newly revised website featuring all books and manuals > at >> 15% OFF list. Also FREE shipping on any UPS order over $200.00. >> > What is your email address? > > Brad == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 20:22:38 -0500 From: "Sean R. Kerns" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Survey > 1. What year and model truck do you have? 1970 F-250 4x4. NP205 and C6 auto. Stock engine was a 351M (2-barrel?), but it was replaced by a previous owner with a 429 4-barrel from a '68 Thunderbird. Goes like all hell, esp. paired with the 4.10 gears, but it's not very economical (duh!), and it is very picky about what kind of gas you try to feed it. Premium only, and convenience store gas is out of the question. Before I had to get cats put on it to pass Ohio's "E-Check" program, every once in a while, I'd get some of that Tetraethyl lead from AutoKrafters once in a while, and let it run like it wanted. It was a kick. > 2. Which of the following best describes your truck: It's about a "B" right now, hedging on a "C". I've always wanted to do a really nice restoration of it, but I haven't had the $$$, and I don't want it to be so pretty I can't haul stuff in it. > A. Completely restored to showroom condition or better > B. Unrestored original or amateur restoration. From 30 feet > it looks like a new truck. > C. Running truck with decent body and mostly original > components but needs work. > D. Project truck which needs a motor, driveline, or bodywork > before being drivable. > 3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis? If I had to. It would make it - it's very reliable; but it _is_ a 20-year old 3/4 ton 4x4 pickup truck (and rides like it), gets the kind of mileage you'd figure it would, and doesn't have any of the creature comforts like A/C and cruise control that I like to have when I'm putting in major miles on the interstate. I do drive it nearly daily, but mostly around town with a little freeway thrown in. Sean - -- Sean R. Kerns (aka Snake) e-mail: bpmusic WWW: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bloodspoint.com/ Spanky: Hit the brakes!! Buckwheat: Brakes is gone! We's freewheelin!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 20:49:41 -0800 From: "Steven Salas" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 5 speed transmission I have noticed there has been some recent discussion of 5 speed transmissions and having done some research into this recently for a customer ( I work for a performance oriented machine shop), I can tell you that this is possible if you have an FE. Mcleod clutch offers an adapter plate that when used with a Lakewood scattershield bellhousing allows you to use a Tremec TKO 5 speed trans behind the FE engines. I don't know enough about the trans to say weather or not it will hold up to heavy duty usage (towing ,ect..) though. We will be trying this setup in a '66 Galaxy with a very healthy 390 in the near future as the above mentioned customer has already bought most of the parts necessary (including the adapter which I currently have in my possesion... :). There is a specific clutch and disk combination necessary to make this work also, but if I remember right its nothing exotic just an unusual combination of currently available parts. If anyone is interested, most of the part numbers for this setup are at this webpage : http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://gessford.com/cobraparts/fflywhee.htm This is where I got this info as well. Like I said earlier I don't know alot about these transmissions, I believe they were used in some newer applications (maybe someone out there can confirm this) but they are available new as well. Although I'm sure they're not cheap though. Best Regards, Steve Salas == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:05:50 -0800 From: Carver Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey 2 > 1. What year and model truck do you have? 1964 F100 CrewCab > 2. Which of the following best describes your truck: > > A. Competely restored to showroom condition or better > B. Unrestored original or amateur restoration. From 30 feet > it looks like a new truck. B best describes a truck repaired over the years with no concept that this truck is a one-of-a-kind. Earl Schieb repainted a few times over 10 years ago, faded and chalked so it looks closer to the original color! 300K on the truck, 200K on the motor. Looks like a new truck, ya gotta be kidding, it looks like it's supposed to look, like an old truck in good shape. Here's a comment on descriptions. I would describe my truck as having been repaired where necessary through the years, no attempt at restoration, but when it got banged, it got fixed, where it bbroke, it got fixed, there are things that need to be fixed, but it;s still driveable, so it gets driven. So while not restored, it retains a condition that I describe and a kept-fixed truck. I only drive it on weekends, due to gas cost, but I use it as it is intended, a vehicle to haul stuff and the kids, at the same time. A charity drop off and a dump run is seen in the very near future. > C. Running truck with decent body and mostly original > components but needs work. > D. Project truck which needs a motor, driveline, or bodywork > before being drivable. > > 3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis? Routinely, no, has it in it's past, yes! Apart from a rear end leak onto the the brakes and a motor with 200K, I would love to drive to Pigeon Forge, just to let people know an F100 crewcab exists! Hang the fuel costs, I wanna go! Just gotta convince the SWMBO and kidlings. oh ya, it can't rain either, windshield leaks, big time, so I don't drive it in the rain. Found out the hard way . . . . bummer. Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list-digest V3 #485 ******************************** +----- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 though 1979 Trucks And Vans -----+ | Send posts to 61-79-list | List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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