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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Spoiled ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - years of the hi boys
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302-460 Swap in Bronco
FTE 61-79 - Re: 3/4 ton Axle Swap
FTE 61-79 - New 73-79 catalog - Free
Re: FTE 61-79 - years of the hi boys
FTE 61-79 - survey
Re: FTE 61-79 - 5 Speed in a '69?
FTE 61-79 - '79 F-250 Towing Capacities
FTE 61-79 - 4 spd O/D trans
FTE 61-79 - RE:Texas sCrap law
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE radiator on 300
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 3/4 ton Axle Swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - New 73-79 catalog - Free
Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas sCrap law
FTE 61-79 - E40D - junk or not?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas sCrap law
FTE 61-79 - Dead Link: Dean Berry
FTE 61-79 - New 73-79 catalog - Free

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 03:38:52 -0800
From: John Lord home.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Spoiled ?

i had one of those pinto's with a spoiler, dont know if it helped but thought
the sheet metal funnels from it to the front disks was a neet idea.

oldfords63 juno.com wrote:

> Have your thought about making a front spoiler? In the 1970s
> > Car and Driver made spoilers for their 'Crises Fighter' Pinto and 240z
> and
> > realized some substantial mpg improvements.
> ====================================================================
> I remember I once put a large rubber air dam ( spoiler) on the front of
> our Granada and picked up a little milage. ( come on guys don't
> laugh....it was the 80's! ) :-)
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:26:44 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - years of the hi boys

> > What years where factory hi boys made?


Here we go again....Duckdon can you handle this one?

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:38:30 EST
From: A4x4junky aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302-460 Swap in Bronco

In a message dated 12/30/99 5:54:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wicowboy gateway.net writes:

<< When you say that
> the frame has to be notched on the 70s Bronco, are you talking about the
78s
> and 79? If so, there is a way around the notching...actually a couple of
> ways.
>

I know but most people end up notching them.... >>

I have seen it done too, but I dont like notching the frame if I dont have
to. The exhaust shop I had do mine flattened one side of the pipe so it
would clear...and if you use exhaust manifolds from a truck 460 it will be
angled differently and away from the frame. Of course there are always
headers that will clear too.

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:54:30 EST
From: FORDTRKNUTaol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 3/4 ton Axle Swap

OX did that swap on his 1979 Bronco. He used the Dana 60 front (modified for
coil springs) and the Dana 60 Rear. I have done it a little different....I
used the (1979 F-250 4x4) 8 Lug spindles and all other parts on the front,
and a (1979 F-250 4x4) Dana 60 rear. Granted the Dana 44 front U-joints are
small, they do hold up OK. The Dana 60 is a BIG improvement from the Dana
44, in every way. If I were you I would get everything ready for the Spring,
then do the swap. The Dana 60 rear end is a bolt in. The Dana 60 Front End
must be adapted to the Coils by cutting the Dana 44 brackets off. I suggest
getting a doner rear, and bringing it to a good welder to get the original
cast brackets cut off. If you can weld (and trust your welds with your life)
take ALOT of measurements & check angles on the original coil Dana 44 rear
first. That way when you get everything "Tacked" in place, you can check it
before you do the final welding. Ox knows more about this, he even has
pictures on his web site. OX....You wanna tell everybody what web address
there at? Well....Take Care!!! Wayne Grabley
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:53:11 -0500
From: "Ronald D. Miller" shentel.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New 73-79 catalog - Free

We are ready to print our newly revised 2000 catalog covering 73-79 F-series
pickups. Please email me off the list if you would like to have one mailed
to you when they are ready. If you have purchased from us in the last 18
months, (Thanks for your business!) you will get one automatically and do
not need to reply. Please specify vehicle when responding. Thanks, Ron
Miller Auto Krafters, Inc.

P.S. Check out our newly revised website featuring all books and manuals at
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:36:18 -0800
From: Don Grossman pacific.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - years of the hi boys

TBeeeeaol.com wrote:
>
> > > What years where factory hi boys made?
>
> Here we go again....Duckdon can you handle this one?
>
> Stock Man
> 1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
> 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
> 1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

I'll try :) I got better things to worry about than y2k. The last of
the HI-Boys rolled off the line as mid 77 models. Since the first
Factory Ford 4x4 in 58 they all stood higher than their 2wd counter
parts. Starting in 65 with the F-100 and the coil suspension the trucks
began to sit a little lower. The 3/4 ton and 1 tons continued to stand
about 3" taller until 77 1/2 and the new chassis design. Any 3/4 or 1
ton 4x4 made before 77 1/2 is a hi boy. the easiest way to tell if a 77
truck is a highboy or not is to look at the front springs. If there is
a positive arch and more than 2 leaf springs you have a hi-boy. If
there is a negative arch and only 2 leaf springs you have the new
chassis design. If the truck has been modified look at the front of the
frame. Is there a cross member connecting the front spring hangers, if
yes you have a hi-boy, if the spring hangers bolt to the boxed frame
rail, you have the new chassis.

that front cross member on the older trucks can be a good indication if
the truck has been wheeled hard. Many people hit things or use it for a
winch or tow anchor and it will be bent up.

Let the Games Begin

Happy New Year Ya'all
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:08:00 -0700
From: Harry Vermillion verinet.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - survey

> 1. What year and model truck do you have?
1970 Chateau Club Wagon - by the VIN it's an E-230 (yeah, I know).
Supposed to be 3/4 ton,
I think they just beefed up the suspension with an extra leaf or
two. 2BBL Rochester on a 302 with a
C-4 and a 3.50 rear end. Pretty much stock.

> 2. Which of the following best describes your truck:
Uh, C. no B at 300 yards, no C, I dunno, Door 2.
> A. Competely restored to showroom condition or better
> B. Unrestored original or amateur restoration. From 30
feet
> it looks like a new truck.
> C. Running truck with decent body and mostly original
> components but needs work.
> D. Project truck which needs a motor, driveline, or
bodywork
> before being drivable.

> 3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis?
I have. I don't anymore, but I would if I had to pick something
up from back east and couldn't have
it out in the weather under a tarp (piano? oak heirlooms?). But
then I'm a cheap SOB, ask anybody.
............................

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Harry E. Vermillion
E-mail: north40verinet.com


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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:24:01 -0800 (PST)
From: canzusseanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 5 Speed in a '69?

At 11:00 AM 30:12:99 -0500, William King wrote:
>Tim,
>Excellent! Another opportunity to disseminate the Gospel of the Toploader!
>*Can I get a witness?!*

8< snip

>Third, you can try to score an overdrive 4 speed 'Toploader' (aka a 3+1).
>Basically, it's a 3 speed tranny (w/ a 1:1 3rd) with an overdrive 4th.
>As I understand, they look like the legendary 4 speed Toploaders, but aren't
>as strong. I believe they were used in vans during the 1970s (and perhaps
>1980s).

Actually, it was me.

The toploader was in fact a 3+1 with the overdrive ratio of about
.80:1. You should be looking for RUG on the tag. They were used
in Granadas and Monarchs from '75 to '80. This is the external
rod shifter style. Don't use this tranny in high torque situations, it
wont survive. The weakest point is second gear, I replaced mine
twice, the last straw for this tranny was going up a short onramp
and grabbing second gear at 6500rpm and blew all the little synchro
teeth off second, rapping the motor to "Bury the Tach" before seeing
the light and purchasing a '70 TL.

Now for the good news, the RUG will live if you're nice to it, I
personally wouldn't use an aluminum cased tranny in a truck, as
the case has a tendancy to grow between the main and counter
shafts over time and load. I really have a dislike for things that
wear out rapidly.

One thing you should investigate is a Clark 250V, these were
available in two flavors, 5th direct and 5th OD,


Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:29:51 -0800
From: wicowboy gateway.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '79 F-250 Towing Capacities

Got one more ? for the list. I have a 79 F-250 4x2 with a 460/c-6 i put
in, the truck is my daily driver (reliability isn't an issue or at
least hasn't been), my question is what would the towing capacity be of
this truck with a gooseneck or fifth wheel type set-up, the reason i ask
is I'm trying to figure out if it would pull a 36' boat and traler
estimated at 10,000lb boat and 2000lb gooseneck trailer. Need to pull
completely on interstate driving from north carolina to key west florida
which is just under 900 miles. I don't need to go fast, i may take 2-3
days to do it, so no rush I can take my time on the interstate if need
be. Is that too much weight for this vehicle, anything you would
suggest to help make the trip, I am going to be putting on the largest
tranny cooler I can find and maybe run some performance tranny fluid in
it. Just looking for more input on if it would be doable, i've never
dealt with this much weight before. I'm going to figure out the axle
ratio today along with putting some lower profile tires on it today for
more torque, I believe it has 4:10's in it now, if not I know i have
some axles laying around that do that I will throw on it (dana 60;s). I
was also considering pulling the rear spring packs apart and adding a
few more leaves, would this really be neccessary? Or maybe pulling the
springs off my '79 F-350 supercab.
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:19:07 -0800
From: "S.Harkema" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4 spd O/D trans

>I believe they were used in vans during the 1970s (and perhaps
>1980s).

While prowling the wrecking yard look for the Ford vans with a floor
shifter. They have the 4spd O/D box.
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:11:57 -0600
From: "Eric Washburn" flash.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Texas sCrap law

Don't worry. I e-mailed a guy at the DPS of Texas asking all this about my
'67 F100, cause there ain't no way it's gonna pass an emission test =) He
said that it only affects vehicles between 2(1998) and 24(1975) years of
age. He said the truck still has to pass the safety inspection still :) I
don't see how a Ford is not gonna pass a a safety inspection. They gotta
watch out for them M*pars and GM vehicles!

>Pat,
>Since we're about to feel California smog laws up our Texas Tailpipe,
>how exactly does this '73 cutoff work? Is this year set in stone? Or is
>this some sort of a sliding window, where each year they only test back
>27 years? Secondly, how about those mobile smog sniffers they place
>along the freeway? If you zip by in your stock '70 F100 it obviously
>makes the machine go "TILT". Do they send you a nastigram in the mail?
>Ticket? Dispatch a Smog Nazi to arrest you?
>Oh, I love Merc outboards, too. Are they completely banned or what?
>Brett
>Super75cab
>>Nahh, just send all those rust-free California trucks back home
>>to us. We don't test them anymore 73 & older. No test, No Crush :-)
>>New cars aren't tested until their seventh birthday now, but if
>>you have a two-stroke outboard or jet ski - get it out of here!
>>Pat Brown sonic.net>



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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:27:43 -0500
From: Tony Marino greenman-systems.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE radiator on 300

Hey Brett-

My web pages is still running where I used to work So I'll just
pass you the URL

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony/radiator/

as an addendum, the 360 radiators are either identical, if not DANG close
to the 400M radiator I used, and it WILL work on an F-250.

Any other questions, just ask!

Tony Marino
tonygreenman-systems.com

At 08:34 PM 12/30/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Tony,
>What's your trick? I've still got my Monster SuperCooling FE390 radiator
>laying there.....
>Brett
>Super75cab
>>and I also have a radiator trick where you can still use your
>>3-core FE radiator with the 300 should you consider this swap also.
>>Tony Marino
>
>________________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:22:55 -0500
From: luxjothecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 3/4 ton Axle Swap

FORDTRKNUTaol.com wrote:
>
> OX did that swap on his 1979 Bronco. He used the Dana 60 front (modified for
> coil springs) and the Dana 60 Rear. I have done it a little different....I
> used the (1979 F-250 4x4) 8 Lug spindles and all other parts on the front,
> and a (1979 F-250 4x4) Dana 60 rear. Granted the Dana 44 front U-joints are
> small, they do hold up OK. The Dana 60 is a BIG improvement from the Dana
> 44, in every way. If I were you I would get everything ready for the Spring,
> then do the swap. The Dana 60 rear end is a bolt in. The Dana 60 Front End
> must be adapted to the Coils by cutting the Dana 44 brackets off. I suggest
> getting a doner rear, and bringing it to a good welder to get the original
> cast brackets cut off. If you can weld (and trust your welds with your life)
> take ALOT of measurements & check angles on the original coil Dana 44 rear
> first. That way when you get everything "Tacked" in place, you can check it
> before you do the final welding. Ox knows more about this, he even has
> pictures on his web site.

Not sure what the original question was, but yes, I have a dana 60
front converted to coil. Anything specific, let me know.

OX


OX....You wanna tell everybody what web address
> there at? Well....Take Care!!! Wayne Grabley
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:50:51 -0500
From: "Brad Smith" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New 73-79 catalog - Free

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald D. Miller shentel.net>
To: <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 10:53 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New 73-79 catalog - Free


> We are ready to print our newly revised 2000 catalog covering 73-79
F-series
> pickups. Please email me off the list if you would like to have one
mailed
> to you when they are ready. If you have purchased from us in the last 18
> months, (Thanks for your business!) you will get one automatically and do
> not need to reply. Please specify vehicle when responding. Thanks, Ron
> Miller Auto Krafters, Inc.
>
> P.S. Check out our newly revised website featuring all books and manuals
at
> 15% OFF list. Also FREE shipping on any UPS order over $200.00.
>
What is your email address?

Brad


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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:08:03 -0800
From: Pat Brown sonic.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas sCrap law

Brett asks:
>
> Pat,
> Since we're about to feel California smog laws up our Texas Tailpipe,
> how exactly does this '73 cutoff work? Is this year set in stone?
> Or is this some sort of a sliding window, where each year they
> only test back 27 years?

This was created a couple of years back. It is fixed until 2004,
when it will become a rolling 30 year limit. I figure I'll ask
dad for his '78 F250 (~50k miles) in 2008 :-)

> Secondly, how about those mobile smog sniffers they place
> along the freeway? If you zip by in your stock '70 F100 it obviously
> makes the machine go "TILT". Do they send you a nastigram in the
> mail? Ticket? Dispatch a Smog Nazi to arrest you?

So far, these have been used on a trial basis only, IIRC in
San Diego (City?/County?), and perhaps elswhere in that other
state of Southern California. Although the federales have
blackmailed the state heavilly (threatening hiway funds cutoff),
the legislature has resisted, instead choosing to look into a
sort of "Car Welfare", where the state will assist those that
cannot afford a new car, or even to fix thier old. The studies
so far indicate it will cost the state less to fix gross polluters
than to crush them, thus sending the owners to the unemployment
lines. Crushing DOES still happen, but I don't believe it is
very common with the outcry that accompanied the original plan.

> Oh, I love Merc outboards, too. Are they completely banned or what?

Two-strokes are being banned from the states lakes, as MTBE
is spreading through the system. Lake Tahoe is the most
notable I can think of, as of last spring/summer. Sales of
two strokes will be banned soon, but manufacturers already
have four cycle alternatives available. I'm not sure if anyone
will actually have to throw away older stuff right away, but
eventually they will have a hard time finding a legal lake to
run it on. MTBE itself is on the hit list, but the last time
I looked it seemed like it's going to take longer to get rid
of it than it than it took to implement it.

My boat has a 4 cycle V6, but it's a ch&v& :-(
- --
Pat Brown sonic.net>
Happy New Year! from Sebastopol, Califfornia

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:40:41 -0600
From: John Strauss inetport.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - E40D - junk or not?

My '91 Bronco still has the original E4OD trans in it with 175,000 miles.
I change the oil/filter every 45,000 miles. I finally added a cooler to it
about 10,000 miles ago since I occasionally tow with it. So they are not
all junk.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstraussinetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:01:08 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas sCrap law

> Brett asks:

> > Secondly, how about those mobile smog sniffers they place
> > along the freeway? If you zip by in your stock '70 F100 it obviously
> > makes the machine go "TILT". Do they send you a nastigram in the
> > mail? Ticket? Dispatch a Smog Nazi to arrest you?

Actually, my '72 stock F-100, with 129K on it at the time, passed the
Calif smog test with little difficulty in Jan. 97, the last year it was
required to submit itself to such indignity. (Imagine -- getting that
probe stuck up your tail pipe!).

This was up in Mt. Shasta City (in the boonies), where the truck
formerly resided, and it could be that the requirements aren't so strict
there as they might be down in the smog bowl in S. Calif. I dont know.

Dennis
'72 F-100 360 2WD Manual everything, 140K
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 21:29:20 EST
From: OldTruxaol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dead Link: Dean Berry

Hey Dean: I tried to contact you about some parts you have for sale in the
classified section of the FTE website, but your link won't work. Please
contact me direct!
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 01:03:44 EST
From: DRVNDBUSaol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New 73-79 catalog - Free

i am interested in obtaining a new catalog for the year of 2000 . thanks for
the email

77 ford f100
drvndbusaol.com
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