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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: Batteries in Parallel
RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
FTE 61-79 - Re: Overheating
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Axle rebuild - Alignment
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Overheating
RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
FTE 61-79 - Weird overheating with re-built 400
FTE 61-79 - lower track bar bolt/sleeve.
RE: FTE 61-79 - Weird overheating with re-built 400
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
FTE 61-79 - Re - Ballast Resistor
FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey.
FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey
FTE 61-79 - Various
RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
[none]
Re:FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey
FTE 61-79 - 400 and Heater Bypass
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - lower track bar bolt/sleeve.
FTE 61-79 - Loose 205 shift lever
FTE 61-79 - Re: lower track bar bolt/sleeve
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey
FTE 61-79 - 5 Speed in a '69?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird overheating with re-built 400
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF
FTE 61-79 - your hood again
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey
FTE 61-79 - joke
Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird overheating with re-built 400
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: TEXAS scrap law.......again!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250/350 73-79 crewcab 4x4s

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:20:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Batteries in Parallel

CJ,
You got four years out of a 36 month battery. There is
no way a lead acid battery will last 84 months. That
is just a marketing gimmick. You paid for your
pro-rated warranty when you originally purchased the
batteries. In 3 to 4 years you will be back for
another set and hope that they will honor the
warranty. Too bad they won't apply the pro-rated
refund to an Interstate where the life rating is
honest.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V

>
> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:33:43 EST
> From: BDIJXS aol.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Batteries in Parallel
>
> John,
>
> The reason for this question was that I have been
> running this setup for
> probably 10 years now, and I had installed a new set
> of Exide batteries
> almost exactly 4 years ago. These were the 84 month
> warranty units. Well,
> just recently, they started dying on me (they were
> having a tough time
> cranking against the 10:1 compression ratio in this
> 428), so I was wondering
> if by me hooking them in parallel, I had
> inadverdently reduced their
> lifespan.
>
> Well, sure enough, I took them back to Checker, and
> they tested them and they
> were bad.....so, they replaced them, but at a
> "pro-rated" rate....
>
> In the meantime, I've had two or three people tell
> me that Exide batteries
> don't really seem to last very long, and I should
> look into either Interstate
> or Optima's....but since I still had some warranty
> on these, I went ahead
> with another set of Exides....
>
> I just didn't know if it was a good idea to put a
> diode or some other thing
> in between the units to cut down on any problems....
>
> CJ

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:00:20 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

Since you already have the FE engine I would stick to this series and look
for the other parts as you develope your project. The 390 or 352 can be
made into larger versions by switching the crank and rods and pistons etc...
It's actually a very good design but harder to work on than newer ones due
to the intake design and it has some oiling issues which are easily
addressed. Parts are going to get harder to find one day and trannys
already are hard to find with the FE flange on them so these are also
considerations when choosing but for now I'd stick with the FE and try to
build on it.

The 400 is called in some literature a "small block" because of it's bore
spacing but it has the transmission flange of the big block and the deck
height of a big block and "is" a big block but not as big and the 460/429.
It also has the longest stroke of any factory ford light truck engine
including the 460 so has serious potential for torque.

In my NSHO a ford truck "needs" a 460 but that's just me :-) I like big and
strong :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> OK! Thanks. I'll try it! So, do you think it is unnecesary to
> have a 390
> engine in that truck? And, What's the purpose of a 390?
> Compared to other
> engines, Small block 400 or fe blocks? I appreciate all
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:00:53 -0500
From: Steve Schaefer PLASTEKGROUP.COM>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Overheating

> Windsors
> FE's
> Modulars

Don't forget about the 385 series. It comes straight out of the intake (just below
the thermostat housing) and straight into the back of the water pump (only about 2"
in between intake nipple and water pump nipple).

> > Sorry, forgot
> > about the little, irritating, hidden under everything imaginable stinking
> > bypass hose.........#$#$^%^%$# :-)
> >

This is said along with allot of other "colorful" words when replacing the bypass
hose.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab
76 F-350 Crew cab
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:34:00 -0800
From: "A Bernal" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

And about the comparison. What's more or less the "potential" or " output"
of the 390 engine. Any uplifting things it does? Why would the original
owner or some other owner put a 390 engine on a f-100 4x4? Factory or just
someone wanted something bigger in the hood?
thanks
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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
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Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4


> Since you already have the FE engine I would stick to this series and look
> for the other parts as you develope your project. The 390 or 352 can be
> made into larger versions by switching the crank and rods and pistons
etc...
> It's actually a very good design but harder to work on than newer ones due
> to the intake design and it has some oiling issues which are easily
> addressed. Parts are going to get harder to find one day and trannys
> already are hard to find with the FE flange on them so these are also
> considerations when choosing but for now I'd stick with the FE and try to
> build on it.
>
> The 400 is called in some literature a "small block" because of it's bore
> spacing but it has the transmission flange of the big block and the deck
> height of a big block and "is" a big block but not as big and the 460/429.
> It also has the longest stroke of any factory ford light truck engine
> including the 460 so has serious potential for torque.
>
> In my NSHO a ford truck "needs" a 460 but that's just me :-) I like big
and
> strong :-)
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
> --
>
> > OK! Thanks. I'll try it! So, do you think it is unnecesary to
> > have a 390
> > engine in that truck? And, What's the purpose of a 390?
> > Compared to other
> > engines, Small block 400 or fe blocks? I appreciate all
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:15:36 -0800
From: "A Bernal" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

Have a question. Whats up with the oiling issue on a 390 engine? I looked on
the top and it has 2 openings for oiling. How many quarts does it take? Why
are the 2 openings for?, aside from hases beinbg attached to the air filter.
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:15:03 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Axle rebuild - Alignment

draco pacifier.com wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > This sleeve is simply a round, threaded bushing with a tapered hole
> > to match the top ball joint and with 4 slots in the top for a spanner.
> > Caster is handled by the "C" bushings and camber is handled by shims
> > which go between the spindle and the spindle yoke.
>
> After looking at mine with the castleated nut off I am sure this
> bushing is not for alignment as Gary states. The preload explanation
> makes sense to me.
>

That doesn't mean it can't be. Specialty products sells alignment
bushings for solid axle trucks, even dana 60 fronts.

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:18:23 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Overheating

What I remember about the 385 is that I pluged all the holes to eliminate
the heater including this one apparently and had serious problems getting it
home :-( I can't picture the exact locations of the hoses now but do recall
this little gem on several engines I've worked on.

When I put the nipples back in and jumped them together the problem went
away. I remember the big stuff.......not the little details :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> > Windsors
> > FE's
> > Modulars
>
> Don't forget about the 385 series. It comes straight out of
> the intake (just below
> the thermostat housing) and straight into the back of the
> water pump (only about 2"
> in between intake nipple and water pump nipple).
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:22:37 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

> And about the comparison. What's more or less the "potential" or " output"
> of the 390 engine.

A lot ... :) Factory trim was over 300hp in some vehicles, though I think
the trucks keep it in the lower 200's and put the torque up in a nice low
rev band :)

> Any uplifting things it does?

It'll uplift that front end if you get enough traction and the right gearing
:)

> Why would the original
> owner or some other owner put a 390 engine on a f-100 4x4? Factory or just
> someone wanted something bigger in the hood?

The 390 was a factory option on the trucks, maybe not the F100's, but for
sure the F250's and F350's ... check that motor carefully though, if the
intake is half of the head, then its an FE, the next step is checking the
stroke, on the outside the 352, 390, 360, 428 and a few others all look
exactly alike ... you might be able to use a dowel or something similar down
the spark plug hole to find the stroke of the motor, that's where the 390
and 360 differ, the 390 is a 3.75ish stroke while the 360 is closer to 3.5"
...

I went from a 360 to a 390 for better low end torque with my 4x4, it seemed
liek I had to pull too many revs to get the power i needed to get through
the thick wet snow here ... but I could've rebuilt my 360 and put in a nice
cam and had the same result ...I'm just a softy for old muscle cars and
their motors ;)


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:28:07 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

> Have a question. Whats up with the oiling issue on a 390 engine?

It has to do with high revs for extended periods of time ... not an issue on
street trucks usually ... too much oil ends up up in the top of the engine
and the main bearings starve ... at least that's what I heard ...

> I looked on
> the top and it has 2 openings for oiling. How many quarts does
> it take?

Likely 6 quarts, put in 5, start it and then check the dipstick to be sure
...

> Why
> are the 2 openings for?, aside from hases beinbg attached to the
> air filter.

One of them (driver's side) usually goes to the air filter, the other is the
PCV opening and should be going to the base of the carburetor ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:30:50 -0500
From: "Dender, Richard" uslec.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Weird overheating with re-built 400

We just put a totally rebuilt 400 in a '77 250 4X4. It runs great with
plenty of power. New radiator, new exhaust also. The only problem is that
after a few miles, sometime five, some times twenty, but every time it will
all of a sudden start to overheat. We have check and double checked but
can't seem to find the problem. We changed the water pump, bypassed the
heater, checked each cylinder, etc.

It's just like the cooling system gets stopped up, but shut it down, let it
cool off and everything is okay for a few more miles. ????

Any one had a similar problem? Any suggestions of what to look for next?

Bull174

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:39:19 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - lower track bar bolt/sleeve.

Anyone have one off 78/79 1/2 ton front axle? I am replacing axles on
one of my trucks and the "new" axle does not have a bolt. The old bolts
are frozen solid on the other 2 extra dana 44's I have. I forget, do the
sleeves usually come with the bushing kit. I seem to remember the rancho
bushing kit having internal sleeves too!

OX
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:55:46 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Weird overheating with re-built 400

> Any one had a similar problem? Any suggestions of what to look for next?
>
check the thermostat, be sure the spring is facing towards the motor ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:58:44 -0800
From: "A Bernal" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

The motor says POWER B on the passenger side, does that mean anything? (it's
a 390 motor)
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From: "William S. Hart"
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4


> > And about the comparison. What's more or less the "potential" or "
output"
> > of the 390 engine.
>
> A lot ... :) Factory trim was over 300hp in some vehicles, though I think
> the trucks keep it in the lower 200's and put the torque up in a nice low
> rev band :)
>
> > Any uplifting things it does?
>
> It'll uplift that front end if you get enough traction and the right
gearing
> :)
>
> > Why would the original
> > owner or some other owner put a 390 engine on a f-100 4x4? Factory or
just
> > someone wanted something bigger in the hood?
>
> The 390 was a factory option on the trucks, maybe not the F100's, but for
> sure the F250's and F350's ... check that motor carefully though, if the
> intake is half of the head, then its an FE, the next step is checking the
> stroke, on the outside the 352, 390, 360, 428 and a few others all look
> exactly alike ... you might be able to use a dowel or something similar
down
> the spark plug hole to find the stroke of the motor, that's where the 390
> and 360 differ, the 390 is a 3.75ish stroke while the 360 is closer to
3.5"
> ...
>
> I went from a 360 to a 390 for better low end torque with my 4x4, it
seemed
> liek I had to pull too many revs to get the power i needed to get through
> the thick wet snow here ... but I could've rebuilt my 360 and put in a
nice
> cam and had the same result ...I'm just a softy for old muscle cars and
> their motors ;)
>
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:10:11 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re - Ballast Resistor

>Now, I see where some people are reading 8V at the coil, and other people
say >that this voltage will constantly be varying between about 12 and 9,
and the >"averaged" reading displayed on the meter will be about 10-1/2V
(this is what >I read).
>should it really be 10.5,or hold constant at 8????

I must go and recheck my truck sometime. I seem to remember that after I
installed the ballast resistor it read about 8v maybe closer to 9v, but my
memory seems to be slipping. Either I am getting older or the beer is
starting to kill the good brain cells now :)
The more I think about it the more I convince myself that the coil voltage
will vary. After all the voltage output from the alternator will vary
between about 12-14 volts won't it? Depending on engine speed and what
accessories you have on. Therefore since it is only a resistor (and not a
voltage regulator) the voltage to the coil will vary according to the
voltage output from the alternator. So a reading between 12-9 volts seems
correct and most likely the average reading would be 10.5v.
Now if the alternator output is a constant voltage then the input to the
coil will be a constant voltage.

Sparky
73ish F250
4x4 FE3?0



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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:17:11 -0600
From: Dennis.Slama rexnord.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey.

1. What year and model truck do you have?
1971 F150 Camper Special (no Camper) w/'75 390 which has headers and
turbo mufflers.

2. Which of the following best describes your truck:
C. running truck with decent body and mostly original but needs work.

3. Is this an everyday truck or a weekend hobby truck?
I use it mostly during bad weather to go to work and of course to haul
stuff, otherwise I drive my '85 Mustang GT.

4. Would you drive it cross-country on a routine basis?
No.


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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:23:24 -0800
From: "Bill Deacon" surfside.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey

1. What year and model truck do you have?
1966 F-250 Custom Cab, 352, C-6, 4:10 Dana 60
2. Which of the following best describes your truck
B. Unrestored original or amateur restoration. From 30 feet
it looks like a new truck
3. Is this an everyday truck or a weekend hobby truck?
Drive it everyday--It's red and white if anyone around Orange
County, Ca. is looking

4. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis?
NO!

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:24:13 -0600
From: Dennis.Slama rexnord.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Various

1) I have recently put headers and 2 1/2" exhaust pipe on the '71 390.
What I am wondering does anybody know where I could get an H-pipe section
to put between the pipes behind the headers?

2) Does anybody up Nebraska way know where I could find an unbent hood for
a '71 F150 and the hood hinges that go with it. Had the hood fly up on me
on the interstate a month ago and got a little bent up wrapping itself
around the windshield.
thanks

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:24:04 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

> The motor says POWER B on the passenger side, does that mean
> anything? (it's
> a 390 motor)

They should both say that ... take a trip to my website for info on my fun
time rebuilding a 390 and other stuff on the 360 I had and what not ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:36:00 -0600
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

At 11:58 AM 12/29/99 -0800, you wrote:
>The motor says POWER B on the passenger side, does that mean anything? (it's

I am going to guess the rest of it sez POWER By ford...standard on many
older Ford motors of any variety.
This would be embossed on the valve cover.

Is there a sticker on the valve cover just below the driver side oil fill
opening on the valve cover??
It should tell you much if still there.

My guess is since Ford never put 390's in 4x4 trucks from the factory it is
not a 390. Unless someone pulled the 360 out
and dumped a 390 in it, you may have missed the engine size. Not trying to
sound obnoxious but
Most every FE owner thinks their engine is a 390 and in a 4x4 that simply
ain't the case from the factory.
Never happened unless someone accidentally put it in there and maybe the
president of Ford said he wanted one built that
way. 8^)

Keep the FE, they are strong motors and will provide good power and torque.
460's are not going to be cheap to swap in
and they are not always the answer to every problem. Ok, so I am a fan of
FE's but I know from experiences that the 300 inline 6 when tuned properly
can also do a fine job and still get 18 mpg on the highway. That would be
an easier swap than a 460 more than likely. Tony Marino did this swap on
his 76 3/4 ton 4x4 not long ago and with minimal expenses. His old 360 was
give out
and he had a solid running 300 he dropped in by reversing the motor
supports on the frame - correct me here Tony if I am wrong.

Good luck.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:39:50 -0500
From: "Parsons, Raymond" rockymountainnews.com>
Subject: [none]

1. What year and model truck do you have?
1967 F250 Camper Special

2. Which of the following best describes your truck:
C. Running truck with decent body and mostly original
components but needs work.
(Has front clip off of '72; also missing front fender trim
and
tailgate, NO RUST!!).

3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis?
If necessary I would feel very comfortable driving it to either
coast.

Ray
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:46:29 -0600
From: "Mike Haldeman" pcpartner.net>
Subject: Re:FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey

1. What year and model truck do you have?

1976 F250, 360, C6.

2. Which of the following best describes your truck:

A. completely restored to showroom condition or better
B. unrestored original or amateur restoration. From 30 feet the
truck looks new
C. running truck with decent body and mostly original but needs work

D. Project truck which needs motor, driveline, or bodywork before
being drivable.

Since this is an Iowa truck about an E, lots of rust but runs great. Most,
if not all, of the electrical problems are caused by the rust.

3. Is this an everyday truck or a weekend hobby truck?

Back and forth to work everyday, all my friends borrow it for a trip to the
dump.

4. Would you drive it cross-country on a routine basis?

No way. Its reliable enough but rides too rough, gets too poor of mileage
and I like to be pampered on long trips.

Mike in Iowa





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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:02:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400 and Heater Bypass

When I bought my '53 it had a 351C-4V and no heater.
Many dollars later, I have a 400 w/ the C-4V heads and
an aftermarket heater/air(Old Air) unit. The 351C and
later the 400 just looped the water pump heater
outlet/inlet? back to the block. Now with a heater
installed, the pump goes to a shutoff valve(controlled
from the dash), then to the heater, then to a fixed
on/off valve, and then to the block. This is per
instructions(generic). Since the cooler weather was
here when I installed the heater, I have never run
with the valves closed. My question, prompted by some
recent discussion here is:

Do I need a bypass line, which loops water between the
pump and the block when the heater is shut off?

If so, how is this handled in stock 400 setups?

Thanks,

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:08:55 -0800
From: "A Bernal" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

Yes it's on the valve cover, it sez POWER B but it's so big that POWER BY
FORD WOULDN'T FIT. IT ENDS IN B. But in any case, how would you recommend to
do the oil change. (it's got two openings for oil)
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Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4


> At 11:58 AM 12/29/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >The motor says POWER B on the passenger side, does that mean anything?
(it's
>
> I am going to guess the rest of it sez POWER By ford...standard on many
> older Ford motors of any variety.
> This would be embossed on the valve cover.
>
> Is there a sticker on the valve cover just below the driver side oil fill
> opening on the valve cover??
> It should tell you much if still there.
>
> My guess is since Ford never put 390's in 4x4 trucks from the factory it
is
> not a 390. Unless someone pulled the 360 out
> and dumped a 390 in it, you may have missed the engine size. Not trying
to
> sound obnoxious but
> Most every FE owner thinks their engine is a 390 and in a 4x4 that simply
> ain't the case from the factory.
> Never happened unless someone accidentally put it in there and maybe the
> president of Ford said he wanted one built that
> way. 8^)
>
> Keep the FE, they are strong motors and will provide good power and
torque.
> 460's are not going to be cheap to swap in
> and they are not always the answer to every problem. Ok, so I am a fan of
> FE's but I know from experiences that the 300 inline 6 when tuned properly
> can also do a fine job and still get 18 mpg on the highway. That would be
> an easier swap than a 460 more than likely. Tony Marino did this swap on
> his 76 3/4 ton 4x4 not long ago and with minimal expenses. His old 360
was
> give out
> and he had a solid running 300 he dropped in by reversing the motor
> supports on the frame - correct me here Tony if I am wrong.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Stu
> Nuke GM!
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:10:38 -0500
From: Tony Marino greenman-systems.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4



At 02:43 PM 12/29/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Ok, so I am a fan of
>FE's but I know from experiences that the 300 inline 6 when tuned properly
>can also do a fine job and still get 18 mpg on the highway. That would be
>an easier swap than a 460 more than likely. Tony Marino did this swap on
>his 76 3/4 ton 4x4 not long ago and with minimal expenses. His old 360 was
>give out and he had a solid running 300 he dropped in by reversing the motor
>supports on the frame - correct me here Tony if I am wrong.

Took me long enough to convince the old boy! 8-P

Yeah, actually, it isn't swapping the mounts, it's moving them 1.5 inches
foreward (or was it back?) onto the other holes that are pre-drilled in the
frame. Uses the same FE mounts you have right now, and just unbolt, move,
and re-bolt. Simple as that.

The things you would have to consider with a 300 would be a bellhousing
bolt pattern (same as small block), throttle lickage will have to be custom
done with a kit from Lokar for $22 bucks that can be purchased from Summit
Racing, and I also have a radiator trick where you can still use your
3-core FE radiator with the 300 should you consider this swap also.

A few mods, but certainly a lot easier and more economical than a 460! It
won't get you up to speed very fast, but it'll pull anything you have, give
you good longevity, and extreme simplicity in design and maintenence. 8-)

I don't know what your application for the truck is, or how much money you
are willing to put into it, but that's the question that needs to be
answered before making a decision on what motor to run. 8-)

Tony Marino
tony greenman-systems.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:33:08 -0600
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

At 01:08 PM 12/29/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Yes it's on the valve cover, it sez POWER B but it's so big that POWER BY
>FORD WOULDN'T FIT. IT ENDS IN B. But in any case, how would you recommend to
>do the oil change. (it's got two openings for oil)

You mean on the oil pan??? or on the valve covers??? Vavlve covers I
would say
drivers side opening. Oil pan......the only Ford engine I know that has a
saddle type oil pan is a 302 V8 like on my 89 Mercury Grand Marquis, unless
the M blocks had em....I dunno.
Anyone ever seen a saddle pan on an FE??? I am at a loss here as to what
you have.......sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:41:42 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" mddc.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

Stu, I've probably not been around as long as some guys on the list, but
I've never heard of an FE oil pan with two drains. I'm sure he's
referring to the breathers in the valve covers.

Use the opening in the drivers side valve cover to put your oil in. It's
much easier to get to than the passenger side breather.

Jason Kendrick

But in any case, how would you recommend to
> >do the oil change. (it's got two openings for oil)
>
> You mean on the oil pan??? or on the valve covers???
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:52:57 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

> Stu, I've probably not been around as long as some guys on the list, but
> I've never heard of an FE oil pan with two drains. I'm sure he's
> referring to the breathers in the valve covers.
>


Oh just an FYI on the later FE's, the driver's and passenger's side valve
covers are IDENTICAL, including the baffle inside and all that neato stuff
... so it doesn't matter at all which side you put on which bank of
cylinders ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:01:37 -0500
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

I didn't catch the first post, but on some of the older 4V intakes had an oil
fill spout on the front of the intake, which is on the passenger side of the
motor. I don't know if it's relevant to this conversation or not, though.

- -Ted



>> I've never heard of an FE oil pan with two drains. I'm sure he's
>> referring to the breathers in the valve covers.
>>
>
>
>Oh just an FYI on the later FE's, the driver's and passenger's side valve
>covers are IDENTICAL, including the baffle inside and all that neato stuff
>... so it doesn't matter at all which side you put on which bank of
>cylinders ...
>
>Just my $.02
>wish







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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:05:50 -0800
From: "A Bernal" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

thanks. I'll do it.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4


> Stu, I've probably not been around as long as some guys on the list, but
> I've never heard of an FE oil pan with two drains. I'm sure he's
> referring to the breathers in the valve covers.
>
> Use the opening in the drivers side valve cover to put your oil in. It's
> much easier to get to than the passenger side breather.
>
> Jason Kendrick
>
> But in any case, how would you recommend to
> > >do the oil change. (it's got two openings for oil)
> >
> > You mean on the oil pan??? or on the valve covers???
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:12:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel DiMartino yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey

i have a 1968 f-250 (only 13,780 miles!)

appearence best discribed as lost in time, U.S Airforce issue
faded green paint, body and engine are in prestine condition no
rust, no tailgate installed, or rear bumper and roll pan at end
of bed missing. from 30 feet away it looks green, very green, i
mean everything has a coat of green on it, even the chrome.
truck in need of a restoration but runs fine, starts on first
crank even in cold weather.

truck currently in storage.

i would not feel so great having to drive it across the country
simply because i haven't had it on the road long, in fact i have
driven it only once for more than 10 mins. but it did drive
from new jersey to massachusetts (with temp plates) in 5 hours
without a problem.



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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:26:07 -0800
From: "A Bernal" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

My Father in law said that he recommended every time I oil it, to take turns
in oiling the banks. Is that accurate?
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Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4


> > Stu, I've probably not been around as long as some guys on the list, but
> > I've never heard of an FE oil pan with two drains. I'm sure he's
> > referring to the breathers in the valve covers.
> >
>
>
> Oh just an FYI on the later FE's, the driver's and passenger's side valve
> covers are IDENTICAL, including the baffle inside and all that neato stuff
> ... so it doesn't matter at all which side you put on which bank of
> cylinders ...
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:39:10 -0500
From: "G.T. Herpich" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

No matter which side you put it in it will drain down into the pan. Makes no
difference at all.

George H.



A Bernal wrote:

> My Father in law said that he recommended every time I oil it, to take turns
> in oiling the banks. Is that accurate?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 1:52 PM
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4
>
> > > Stu, I've probably not been around as long as some guys on the list, but
> > > I've never heard of an FE oil pan with two drains. I'm sure he's
> > > referring to the breathers in the valve covers.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Oh just an FYI on the later FE's, the driver's and passenger's side valve
> > covers are IDENTICAL, including the baffle inside and all that neato stuff
> > ... so it doesn't matter at all which side you put on which bank of
> > cylinders ...
> >
> > Just my $.02
> > wish
> >
> > 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> > 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:40:58 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

> My Father in law said that he recommended every time I oil it, to
> take turns
> in oiling the banks. Is that accurate?

Not really, the oil all ends up draining down to the oil pan if the motor's
working right, from there the pump picks it up and circulates it through the
mains and up to the cam/lifters/heads where it then drains back down
(through the same holes) into the oil pan again ... which side it goes in
doesn't matter 'cause it all gets mixed and everything ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:48:08 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4

That's true for Clevelands & M blocks too.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '79 f100 4x4


> Oh just an FYI on the later FE's, the driver's and passenger's side valve
> covers are IDENTICAL, including the baffle inside and all that neato stuff
> ... so it doesn't matter at all which side you put on which bank of
> cylinders ...



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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:59:57 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - lower track bar bolt/sleeve.

In a message dated 12/29/99 2:44:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
luxjo thecore.com writes:

> Anyone have one off 78/79 1/2 ton front axle? I am replacing axles on
> one of my trucks and the "new" axle does not have a bolt. The old bolts
> are frozen solid on the other 2 extra dana 44's I have. I forget, do the
> sleeves usually come with the bushing kit. I seem to remember the rancho
> bushing kit having internal sleeves too!
>
>
I've replace the trackbar bushings on my '79 Bronco twice (1st cause they
disappeared on me, second cause the oil leaks dissolved the polly bushings I
put in). The ones I used did not have a sleeve around the bold and had to
reuse my originals. Fortunately they were in good shape from all the extra
oil!

George M
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:59:22 -0800
From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Loose 205 shift lever

> Hi Kirk,
What I did to tighten it up and stop the "Drive you Nuts" rattle, was to
take the pivot bolt out, machine a sleeve out of a piece of nylon and press
it into the lever opening and then put the bolt back. Some folks put a bungi
cord on it to maintain some kind of tension.
Pat
> > How do you guys keep the shift lever on your np205 T.C. tight. Mine
> > seems to get loose very quick when i shift between 2 and 4wd,
> > especially
> > when going up into 4low. Cause when it gets loose the shifts
> > are sloppy
> > and it rattle away like heck.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kirk Baillie
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:03:25 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: lower track bar bolt/sleeve

OX wrote:
> Anyone have one off 78/79 1/2 ton front axle? I am replacing axles on
> one of my trucks and the "new" axle does not have a bolt. The old bolts
> are frozen solid on the other 2 extra dana 44's I have. I forget, do the
> sleeves usually come with the bushing kit. I seem to remember the rancho
> bushing kit having internal sleeves too!

The UPS guy just dropped of my Energy Suspension 14 pc. complete
bushing kit. The sleeves are in there. Also, FYI, the head of
the bolt on my axle is welded to the bracket.


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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:44:38 EST
From: DRVNDBUS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey

In a message dated 12/29/99 7:36:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
aantipas sopris.net writes:

<< you have?

2. Which of the following best describes your truck:

A. completely restored to showroom condition or better
B. unrestored original or amateur restoration. From 30 feet the
truck looks new
C. running truck with decent body and mostly original but needs work

D. Project truck which needs motor, driveline, or bodywork before
being drivable.
B WOULD BEST DESCRIBE MY 77F100 2WD
3. Is this an everyday truck or a weekend hobby truck?
I MOSTLY USE IT FOR GOING TO WORK
4. Would you drive it cross-country on a routine basis?
IN A HEART BEAT
As before, we welcome your comments and insights!

Regards,

Andy
>>THE TRUCK HAS BEEN VERY GOOD TO ME I HAD BOUGHT THE TRUCK AT A AUTO
AUCTION FOE 2OO.OO BECAUSE I NEEDED RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION TO AND FROM THE
SHRINERS HOSPITAL IN PHILADELPHIA. IT HAS SINCE MADE COUNTLESS TRIPS TOTHE
HOSPITAL AND WITHOUT IT MY PARAPALYGIC SON WOULD NOT HAVE MADE IT THIS
YEAR.AND I CANT FORGET TO SEND THE FLOWERS OUT TO ALL THE PEOPLE OF FORD
ENTHUSIAST WHO HAVE HELPED ME KEEP THIS TRUCK ON THE ROAD WITH ALL THE
HELPFUL KNOWLEDGE THAT HAS PASSED ON TO ME THANKS AND HAVE A SAFE NEW YEAR

MARK //AKA DRVNDBUS
MATTHEW//MY SON
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:46:56 -0800
From: Tim Neasham 3-cities.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 5 Speed in a '69?

Well, since the archives aren't available to be read, (Hope everything is
okay with the family Ken!) has anyone ever heard of putting a 5 speed
manual in a '69 F-250 w/ a 390? I'm using this truck as my daily driver,
no offroading, no towing, and want to get better than 8 mpg. I've thought
about putting new gears in the rear end, but still want the ability to tow
or load up the bed if needed. Anyone else come up with an easy fix? (Yeah
Right....) Thanks.


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Benton City, Wa.

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:54:52 -0500
From: "Brad Smith" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF

> I noticed that the E4OD in my daughter's truck shifts pretty clean most of
> the time, still pretty smooth but "quick",

I can testify to the durability of the E40D... The 93 Explorer we use at
work has 155K miles on it... and I would dare say 120K of those miles were
pulling a 22 ft trailer loaded to ~1000#... Not an excessive load, but still
I am quite impressed when I get into this truck with the virgin tranny
pulling a trailer, 155K miles, and absolutely no slippage in the tranny at
all... Ford still knows how to build em :)

Brad


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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:59:53 -0500
From: "Brad Smith" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump woes

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Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 9:08 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump woes


> Do you remember back a few weeks how we were discussing fuel pumps and how
> they quit in various manners? Henry's fuel pump did the pump gasoline into
> the crankcase routine. I thought that I had been losing oil pressure, then
I
> decided it was just the screwy stock gauges. I had been noticing a foul
odor
> coming from the engine compartment when I would park similar to burning
oil,
> but I couldn't find a leak and I wasn't losing oil either. When I checked
> the oil Monday around noon after a trip to town where the oil pressure
> showed barely in Normal, the "oil" dripped off of the stick. Wrong. A
quick
> whiff revealed the distinct odor of gasoline. Closer examination of the
> stick showed more fluid in the crankcase than belonged there. There was
> never a gasoline leak to the outside. He did quit a couple of times for no
> apparent reason, but restarted very easily. This one was unusual.
>
> Now it's off to the parts house for a new pump.
>
> -- John

Did the pump crack? If not how did it pump gas into the crankcase? Please
explain, for I am quite confused.....
Brad


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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:08:38 -0500
From: "Brad Smith" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird overheating with re-built 400

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Weird overheating with re-built 400


> We just put a totally rebuilt 400 in a '77 250 4X4. It runs great with
> plenty of power. New radiator, new exhaust also. The only problem is
that
> after a few miles, sometime five, some times twenty, but every time it
will
> all of a sudden start to overheat. We have check and double checked but
> can't seem to find the problem. We changed the water pump, bypassed the
> heater, checked each cylinder, etc.
>
> It's just like the cooling system gets stopped up, but shut it down, let
it
> cool off and everything is okay for a few more miles. ????
>
> Any one had a similar problem? Any suggestions of what to look for next?
>
> Bull174
>
Are you sure that you've got the thermostat in the right direction? Watch
the temp gause to see if it ever opens... you should see at least a slight
drop in temp, and then it'll warm back up. Did you pull the freeze plugs
out, or punch em into the block (a bad idea in my opinion, but plenty of
people do it). Are you losing any coolant?

Brad


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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:14:49 PST
From: "Christopher Worley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF

I beg to differ, the E40D in my '93 F150 is JUNK with a capital J


Chris
67 F100
93 F150


>From: "Brad Smith" mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF
>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:54:52 -0500
>
>
> > I noticed that the E4OD in my daughter's truck shifts pretty clean most
>of
> > the time, still pretty smooth but "quick",
>
>I can testify to the durability of the E40D... The 93 Explorer we use at
>work has 155K miles on it... and I would dare say 120K of those miles were
>pulling a 22 ft trailer loaded to ~1000#... Not an excessive load, but
>still
>I am quite impressed when I get into this truck with the virgin tranny
>pulling a trailer, 155K miles, and absolutely no slippage in the tranny at
>all... Ford still knows how to build em :)
>
>Brad
>
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:25:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel DiMartino yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - your hood again

sorry that link didn't hook up, on the error page click on the
postnet.com links, and type trailertrash in the search box, it
will take you to your hood, page one, third house down.
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:06:01 -0700
From: "Idahoans" earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey

Thanks for reposting the questions! I'm glad to have a chance to
be included.


> 1. What year and model truck do you have?

1971 F100 Ranger, short bed, with automatic transmission and
power steering.

>
> 2. Which of the following best describes your truck:
>
> A. completely restored to showroom condition or better
> B. unrestored original or amateur restoration. From 30 feet the
> truck looks new
> C. running truck with decent body and mostly original but needs
> work
> D. Project truck which needs motor, driveline, or bodywork before
> being drivable.

I would have to say somewhere between B and C, because neither
one really describes it. I mean, no one would ever mistake it for
new. The body style and light green color would prevent that! But
it runs great and doesn't really need any work.

>
> 3. Is this an everyday truck or a weekend hobby truck?

It was everyday until recently, but I just bought a new car so the
truck doesn't get driven much now. I am thinking of selling the
truck, actually.

>
> 4. Would you drive it cross-country on a routine basis?

No, not routinely, but it was driven cross-country, loaded up with all
my worldly possessions, three times in 1997 (long story). On the
third trip it broke an axle, but I think it did really well, all things
considered!! If I was moving cross-country again, I would drive it,
but would take it easy (limit speed to 55, maybe).

Carla
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:04:30 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - joke

>
The National Transportation Safety Board recently divulged they had
covertly funded a project with Ford motor company, whereby the auto maker
installed "black boxes" in all four-wheel drive pick-up trucks in an
effort to determine, in fatal accidents, the circumstances in the last 15
seconds before the crash. They were surprised to find in 49 of the 50 states
the last words of
drivers in 61.2 percent of fatal crashes were, "Oh, S----! Only the state of
georgia was different, where 89.3 percent of the final words were: "Hold my
beer and watch this!"

jef grant
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:05:14 -0800
From: "Jeff Norville" sosinet.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird overheating with re-built 400

If you're not loosing coolant and you're thermostat is in right (sounds like
both should be ok from your description? Would overheat more predictably if
it were thermostat I would guess), then I would guess that something came
loose inside the block or tubes and is floating around, occasionally
blocking something exciting like the thermostat...

Try flushing the block, I guess. Bummer with a brand new radiator!

Started my new 400 up today and it runs a lot hotter than the old 351M;
course that's probably because I put a hotter 'stat in it, and it's running
off the same radiator as the old motor. But no overheating probs.

I flushed LOTS of soldier out of the radiator first, and flushed lots more
stuff out of the block before filling with coolant. Gruesome.

Good luck.

Jeff

> We just put a totally rebuilt 400 in a '77 250 4X4. It runs great with
> plenty of power. New radiator, new exhaust also. The only problem is that
> after a few miles, sometime five, some times twenty, but every time it will
> all of a sudden start to overheat. We have check and double checked but
> can't seem to find the problem. We changed the water pump, bypassed the
> heater, checked each cylinder, etc.
>
> It's just like the cooling system gets stopped up, but shut it down, let it
> cool off and everything is okay for a few more miles. ????
>
> Any one had a similar problem? Any suggestions of what to look for next?
>
> Bull174
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:38:40 -0800
From: "keady wizzards.net" wizzards.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey

>1. What year and model truck do you have?

'77 F-350 Camper Special (XLT with Ranger trim) w/460

>2. Which of the following best describes your truck:
>
>A. completely restored to showroom condition or better
>B. unrestored original or amateur restoration. From 30 feet the truck looks new
>C. running truck with decent body and mostly original but needs work
>D. Project truck which needs motor, driveline, or bodywork before being
>drivable.

I'd say more B than C, but the chrome around the windshield IS kind of
rusted, and the clear coat is peeling off of the cowl. A few chips here and
there too.

>3. Is this an everyday truck or a weekend hobby truck?

Well, it will be a daily driver when I'm old enough to get my LICENSE in a
few weeks (Jan 9th if anyone plans on buying me a present :-) Right now, I
just work on it, and drive it whenever possible.

>4. Would you drive it cross-country on a routine basis?

Welllll, maybe if I could get more than 9mpg or if I got a large sum of
money via some means. It's in great mechanical shape all the way around,
and is fairly comfortable (little to no wind noise, A/C, AM/FM, all the
amenities of home!), so I don't think it would be a problem if I could find
the $$$ to fund such an excursion (which oddly enough, might be the total
amount for an actual Ford Excursion :-)

New to the list but watching & learning with great interest,

Josh Keady

'77 F-350 Camper Special
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:30:49 -0800
From: Pat Brown sonic.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: TEXAS scrap law.......again!

John LaGrone wrote:
>
> >>Even if you don't live in one of the states doing this, I
> >> would hope the thought of a rustfree California '61 F-100
> >> Unibody going to the crusher would be enough of a wakeup
> >> call that all should get knowledgeable on this issue.<<
>
> And...Texas is now considering adoption of California new car
> emission standards. I haven't read anything about tail pipe
> tests for older vehicles yet, but you can bet it isn't far
> behind. Ox, there soon may be no place to hide.

Nahh, just send all those rust-free California trucks back home
to us. We don't test them anymore 73 & older. No test, No Crush :-)
New cars aren't tested until their seventh birthday now, but if
you have a two-stroke outboard or jet ski - get it out of here!
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