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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Christmas Wishes, A story for my freinds, no FTE
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: rear disk brakes on 78 F250
RE: FTE 61-79 - Lost FTE member
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Starting front axle rebuild - Steering ?'s
FTE 61-79 - Batteries in Parallel
FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF
FTE 61-79 - Seasons Greetings
FTE 61-79 - sounds like a deisel
Re: FTE 61-79 - sounds like a deisel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Starting front axle rebuild - Steering ?'s
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Starting front axle rebuild - Steering ?'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey
FTE 61-79 - No oil pressure...could use a little advise.
FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Starting front axle rebuild - Steering ?'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - (no subject)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey 2
FTE 61-79 - Rough running, cold mornings
FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey
FTE 61-79 - Mallory dual point info
FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey 2
FTE 61-79 - Re - Ballast Resistor?
FTE 61-79 - Wanted: 79 Gas tank filler hose.
FTE 61-79 - Archive lists
FTE 61-79 - Survey
Re: FTE 61-79 - No oil pressure...could use a little advise.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF
FTE 61-79 - 69 Bronco 4x4 Drivetrain into 67 Econoline Supervan?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey 2
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ballast Resistor?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F250 crewcab 4x4
FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey
FTE 61-79 - New motor started today...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wanted: 79 Gas tank filler hose.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Starting front axle rebuild - Steering ?'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF
Re: FTE 61-79 - No oil pressure...could use a little advise.

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:02:25 -0800
From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Christmas Wishes, A story for my freinds, no FTE

> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:11:50 EST
> > > From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
> > > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Christmas Wishes, A story for my freinds, no
FTE
> >content
> > >
> > > i started the tradition of reading this to my children last night on
> > > christmas eve.
> > >
> > > god bless everyone,
> > > jeff grant
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> > >
> > > Yup Jeff, it moved me too.
> >Didn't have a chance to wish everyone on the list a Happy and Prosperous
New
> >Year so here ya are. All the best in 2000 and thanks to everyone for the
> >great educational entertainment! School was never like this, pity.
> >Patsplace
> >78 F-150 W/Overloads
> >77 F-250 4X4
> >79 F-250 Dream Truck Under Way
> >


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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:15:29 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: rear disk brakes on 78 F250

Did you find a stock part for this or make something up? I've thought about
mounting a rotor on there with a hydraulic caliper but this is not a very
good plan IMHO :-) I know there are assy's out there made for this but what
vehicles were they on and can they still be found new for the Np205?? I
also have to do the brake this way when I convert my rear axle to dana 44
spindles (if I ever get this project started)

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> front. What I
> did was make a transfercase mounted parking brake. It is
> cable accuated and
> works OK. It may not lock the wheels up, but it passes New
> Jersey Inspection
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:19:31 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Lost FTE member

Unfortunately he was not happy with some decisions we made which caused some
bad feelings. Some of us attempted to get in touch but found his addresses
were no longer working. I won't go into the details but it's just as well I
think :-(

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Part of the Holiday Season is remembering others whom we have
> come to know
> over a period of time. I am looking for one of our long time
> and early FTE
> members who I have not seen on the list forever. That person is: JOHN
> MILLER the FoMoCo Nut.
>
> Does anyone know what happened to him? His Email address is
> no longer any
> good. Just thought some of you might know....
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:25:44 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Starting front axle rebuild - Steering ?'s

> > Same stuff on my truck 'cept the disc brake portion ...
> Why does that not surprize me. :)
>

hehehe ...

> Let me know what you find. From exploded drawings it looks like a
> drum brake knuckle has a threaded hole in the top for a bracket. I
> assume it holds the brake line. The ones I have don't have this
> hole.
>

I'm pretty sure the ones in my truck don't have this either (the drum brake
ones) ... are you sure you're not seeing the camber nut that fits down in
the ball joint mount on the axle itself ? that should be on both of them
...

Actually it looks like the brake lines for my drum brake and disc brake axle
are the same ... kinda scarey so I'm going to double check it, but the hoses
were mounted the same when they came off the axle they were both tied onto
the shock mount just like the drum brake ones are ... so I don't really know
what that mount would be for ...

> Especially with 33-12.50's. One of these days I have to get some
> narrower wheels and tires. For now I would be happy to get the
> truck back on the road. Also I may be having a local 4WD shop
> mount the integral box and I would have to drive it to them.
>

As long as you don't parallell park it you're actually okay ... just take
your time and don't plan on any quick turns :) Actually I didn't mind it
too much but Dad drove the truck for a week and said it was going to get
fixed ... since he was buyin I said "okay" ... :) that was 4 years ago
though, today it would be a much different answer ...

> > ...Tony had some pics, if he can get them to me I can throw
> > them on the web for you ...
>

here's a shot of the front end that shows the layout pretty well :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony/pics/n11.jpg

this one shows the power steering box, the integral style, mounted near the
motor ...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony/pics/n14.jpg

this will be the system I'm going to eventually ...

If you need pics of my current arrangement (the drum style with ram setup
that you're used to) I can probably arrange a couple of those too :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:24:47 -0600
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Batteries in Parallel

>> Will hooking up two 12V batteries directly in parallel affect their
longevity???

Assume both are brand new.

CJ<<

Jeff,

It might not, but it can. Assuming both batteries are brand new and
identical, each battery will age slightly differently and have slight
variances typical of assembly line manufacturing quality control. In short,
one battery will die sooner than the other. The type of death will determine
whether or not the other battery suffers. It is not uncommon for one battery
to develop a short and cause the other to discharge. A lot of Diesels run
two batteries. Back during the early 80s when all I could buy were small
case, low crank amp batteries, I ran two on my Cadillac and my pickup. I
never had a problem and the batteries were never identical.

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:42:15 -0600
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF

I have been thinking on this some more. Someone said some folks put Ford ATF
in to make their tranny shift harder. I for one want my tranny to shift
smoother. The only way I can tell that Henry's C6 shifts is a drop in RPM.
That's the way it should be IMHO. To me a harder shift means more wear and
tear. This also illustrates that there is a difference in the properties of
Ford ATF and Dexron.

Oh yeah. If you aren't the original owner or aren't sure about the history
of the truck, then you might not have the correct dipstick and may not have
the right information.

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:01:28 -0600
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Seasons Greetings

I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas. Now it is time to get ready for the
year 2000!!!

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:07:50 -0600
From: "ben" itis.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - sounds like a deisel

I have a 1979 F-150 4x4 w/a 400. Somewhere between 45-55mph my engine makes
a noise just like a diesel. Anywhere over the 45-50mph mark it will do it.
But since I don't have a tach hooked up I can't tell what rpm it starts to
do it. But when I hit the gas pedal it stops making the noise. It's like a
fast pace high pitch knock. I'm thinking it's in the heads. Anybody had this
problem before and know how to fix it?




stevee itis.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:31:28 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - sounds like a deisel

ben wrote:
>
> I have a 1979 F-150 4x4 w/a 400. Somewhere between 45-55mph my engine makes
> a noise just like a diesel. Anywhere over the 45-50mph mark it will do it.
> But since I don't have a tach hooked up I can't tell what rpm it starts to
> do it. But when I hit the gas pedal it stops making the noise. It's like a
> fast pace high pitch knock. I'm thinking it's in the heads. Anybody had this
> problem before and know how to fix it?
>

My 351M did this, turned out to be a rod bearing just starting to go.
Sounded just like you describe.

OX
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:24:53 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Starting front axle rebuild - Steering ?'s

In a message dated 12/27/99 1:07:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
draco pacifier.com writes:

>
> There is nothing to the left of the number. On the other side of the
> knuckle's arm is 318 8. The first 8 might be a B. Make any sense?

Hard to know Mark. Is this number sequence on the axle tube somewhere?
That's my understanding where Dana die-stamped all of their identifying
numbers.


Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:36:25 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Starting front axle rebuild - Steering ?'s

> > There is nothing to the left of the number. On the other side of the
> > knuckle's arm is 318 8. The first 8 might be a B. Make any sense?
>
> Hard to know Mark. Is this number sequence on the axle tube somewhere?
> That's my understanding where Dana die-stamped all of their identifying
> numbers.
>

The probelm is that they are different knuckles that don't match the axle
tube ... so that likely won't do much good ... I found a tag on the
differential when i was taking the 76 apart, it was in the middle on one
side of the thing, held on by 2 bolts ... I'll have to remember to put that
back on just to be sure ..

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:00:11 -0800
From: John Lord home.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey

roger hughes wrote:

> 1. What year and model truck do you have?

(1). 1974 F250 4x4 Crew Cab Shortbox.

(2). 1967 Mercury Ranger (F250) Standard cab and box

>
>
> 2. Which of the following best describes your truck:

(1). Between C and D. Body is tired, Have Rebuilt all the driveline but the
transmission and transfer Case.
replaced the 300 I-6 with a 351W (race quality parts). Converted to
propane. Done all work myself
(Father owns a machine shop).

(2). Between A and D. Excelent body except for one door from 68 truck, and
Auto trans is shot. someone
replaced the original 352Ci with a 390 that needs work.

>
> 3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis?

(1).Yes i would, the cost of propane helps, I use it to take myself and
family of a trip to the inlaws twice a month.

(2). No i wouldnt want anything to happen to it.


>
> John Lord.
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:13:38 EST
From: A4x4junky aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - No oil pressure...could use a little advise.

I went wheeling yesterday. I think I got some water in the engine...not a
lot, just enough for it to be a little milky. Now, an engine that used to
read "L" on the "NORMAL" on my oil pressure gauge is reading N at highway
speeds and pegs to the low side at idle. The engine is making a LOT of
noise. Once I realized that there was water in the engine, I found the first
place open yesterday and changed the oil. It made no difference. I usually
run 10W40 in the engine. Today, I decided to go for broke. Since I figured
I probably fried the main bearings, a thicker oil might do the trick. I
bought some 80W90 oil (I know that isnt good for the engine, but neither is
this knocking and rattling) and am now running 4qts 80W90 and 1 qt 10W40. It
made NO difference. I still have no oil pressure, but the noise has subsided
some (probably muffled because of the weight of the oil). Does it make sense
that my mains are fried so bad from running one hour with a little water in
the engine that even oil this thick wont work? I am starting to think that
maybe it could/should be something else. Ideas?
In case it matters, it is a 78 400M.

TIA

Anthony
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:44:18 -0600
From: "Brian C Nyman" allina.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey

1. What year and model truck do you have?

1958 F100 Stepside

2. Which of the following best describes your truck:

D. Project truck which needs a motor, driveline, or
bodywork before being drivable.
All Of The Above

3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis?
Yes, I'm going to have to: my support team is 200 miles away, so it's going
to have to be "shaken down" before I make the first trip home.

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:32:49 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Starting front axle rebuild - Steering ?'s

In a message dated 12/27/99 4:40:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wish iastate.edu writes:

>
> The probelm is that they are different knuckles that don't match the axle
> tube ... so that likely won't do much good ... I found a tag on the
> differential when i was taking the 76 apart, it was in the middle on one
> side of the thing, held on by 2 bolts ... I'll have to remember to put
that
> back on just to be sure ..

That Ford tag is the best identification of all. Consider yourself
lucky because most have been removed over the years.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:11:30 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - (no subject)

In a message dated 12/27/99 10:19:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wish iastate.edu writes:

> Now about that kit-car company ... ;)
>
www.streetrods.com if you're interested

Ian
79 f250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:57:18 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey 2

Andy asked:

>1. What year and model truck do you have?

'71 F100 FE390/T-18

>2. Do you drive it everyday or is it a "hobby" truck?

Daily driver, main source of transportation.

>3. Which of the following best describes your truck:

C. Running truck with decent body and mostly original
components but needs work.
(needs body work, mechanically it's pretty good)

>4. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis?

Uhhh, are you buying the gas?
Cross-country wouldn't bother me a bit from a reliability
standpoint, but 12mpg it would be a bit expensive.

I've put over 60K miles on this truck in the last 3 years,
and never had it let me down or leave me walking.
It's a very reliable vehicle, and I wouldn't hesitate a bit
to drive it across the country on a moments notice *if*
someone else is paying for the gas.
(I might even buy my own gas if I was going to get a whole
truck load of rare and expensive Ford parts!)

Steve sonic.net>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:47:57 -0800
From: "Chuck White" jps.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rough running, cold mornings

To Tom H.
Yeah I live in the Bay Area - Fairfield in fact - Thanks for the air cleaner
tip. I'm checking junk yards up this way now - shouldn't be too hard to
track down a stock air cleaner but I do kinda like the look of this after
market one. It's real tall for a lot of breathing room and on top it says
Ford High Performance :-) which on this truck is pretty close.

Chuck
'71 F-250 390 C-6
Cam, Mallory dual point, Holley/Edelbrock, headers, etc.

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:03:26 -0800
From: "Chuck White" jps.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Survey

To answer your survey:
1. 1971 F-250, 390V-8, C-6
2. It's a Hobby truck for me although for the 17 year old it represents
freedom!
(until I make him help me change the starter like we did today)
3. I would have to say C for the condition. Engine is great, body is
remarkably straight but needs a paint job and a new seat would be nice.
4. Would I drive cross country in it? Only if someone were chasing me!!
Seriously, stiff suspension, wind noise, header/Turbo muff noise and low gas
mileage make it seem pretty unattractive to go much farther than about 100
miles.

Chuck

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:52:16 -0800
From: "Chuck White" jps.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mallory dual point info

Thanks Terry for the web site info - I'll be surfing there as soon as I'm
done doing the Truck Survey
Chuck

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:13:32 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey 2

> 1. What year and model truck do you have?

I call it a 73ish for good reason. It is definitely an F250 4x4 4spd and is
registered as a 1973. It has Ranger emblems on the front cowl but I put
them there to fill the holes :)

> 2. Which of the following best describes your truck:

Not really any somewhere between B and C with B being the closest. It runs
very well but previous owner did a quickie body/paint job. On the bright
side it is all one color, Ford green. You can stand back 30 ft and it looks
like a new truck, but then when you open your eyes :):):) It looks like a
early 70's truck in good shape.

> 3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis?

Which country are we talking about? I drive it every day as it is my
primary transportation. The only reason to not take it anywhere is the low
gas mileage it gets.

> Additional comments

It has a 73 frame, 76 cab, 77 box I think, 75 3?0FE havent checked if it
is 360 or 390 yet all sitting on QR7816 Buckshot radials on chrome wide
spoked rims. I purchased the truck with the stipulation some assembly
required. The PO started a frame off restoration and all he got restored
was the frame and ruuning gear then slapped a bunch of different body
sections on painted it and sold it. I have extensively modified it
electrically as well as added power steering.

Sparky
73ish F250
4x4 3?0FE


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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:13:47 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re - Ballast Resistor?

CJ wrote:
>I have an FE in a 69 F-100 4x4. I measured the voltage at the positive side
>of the coil to be in the 10-1/2 volt range. I'm using a Mallory distributor,
>and they say that this voltage should be in the 8 - 9 volt range. I was
under
>the impression that the coil wire was "resistive"....can there be something
>wrong with this? I would assume that if there was a problem with this wire,
>the resistance would go up...
>
>Now, does anyone know ballast resistor I need? I assume there are different
>values available.....


Last summer my resistor wire burnt up, taking many other wires with it. So
instead of installing a new one I totally removed it and replaced it with a
14awg wire. I then installed a ballast resistor under the hood on the
fender well, figured it would get lots of cooling air there.
The wire diagram I had called for 1.3 to 1.4 ohms of resistance wire. So I
went to the local Autoparts store and got a resistor from a Ch ysler/Do%ge
product that was about 1.4 ohms.
It has worked great, if I remember correctly the voltage at the coil + was
around 8 volts when running and the full battery voltage when starting.
Let me know if you need more info, I might even be able to find the part
number for the resistor if you want it.

Sparky
73ish F250
4x4 3?0FE

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:33:22 CST
From: "Bill Richardson" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wanted: 79 Gas tank filler hose.

I need a gas tank filler hose for my 1979 F-100. There's a large hose and
then a smaller one. I guess it's a vent. I accidentally cut the old ones
when I cut a bad panel off of the bed. If anyone has one laying around I'll
pay to have it mailed to me. Or if anyone knows of a place close to the Lake
Charles, La. area I'd appreciate knowing about it. Thanks

Bill Richardson
1979 F-100 302
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:36:39 -0800
From: Tim Neasham 3-cities.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Archive lists

Sorry for being ignorant, but I've seen posts referring to the
"archives." Where can I get a look at these? I'm wanting some info
regarding putting a 5 speed manual in my '69 F-250. Thanks.


Tim Neasham
Benton City, Wa.
'69 F-250 390 2wd
'74 F-250 390 Crispy Critter

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:49:59 -0500
From: "Rick & Debbie Kelso" email.msn.com>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Survey

Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:58:02 -0700
From: Andrew Antipas sopris.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey

Dear FTE Listers,

CJ and I have had a running discussion concerning the reliability of our
old trucks and there suitability for everyday use. If you would answer
the answering the following three questions and post them to the list. I
will tally the results and post them back to the list one week from
today.

1. What year and model truck do you have?
2. Do you drive it everyday or is it a "hobby" truck?
3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis?

Feel free to include any additional comments. Thanks for the help!

West Slope Andy

Answers
1. I have a 1973 Ford F-150. (nickname is Whitey!)
2. It is a "hobby" truck. Currently undergoing a frame-off resto.
3. I would gladly and will be able to drive this vehicle ANYWHERE, ANY
TIME!!!! Never could stomach those people who won't drive their
vehicles.



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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:39:36 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - No oil pressure...could use a little advise.

In a message dated 12/27/99 5:16:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
A4x4junky aol.com writes:

<< still have no oil pressure, but the noise has subsided
some (probably muffled because of the weight of the oil). Does it make
sense
that my mains are fried so bad from running one hour with a little water in
the engine that even oil this thick wont work? I am starting to think that
maybe it could/should be something else. Ideas? >>

Ouch, how did the water get in the crank case? And there are more questions,
was it muddy water? I am not sure there is such a thing as a little milky,
do you have some idea of the volume of water. The reason I ask is you are
right if it was a small amount the consquences should also be small. Your
filter should have taken the trash/grit out until it plugged, then it would
by-pass and all of the dirt would go through the bearings. If you were
running it hard and the water volume was around a quart or so then your
thought of the mains being wiped is in the relm of possibility. If the water
had a lot of grit that could make things even worse. Maybe someone else will
have some other ideas, but I think you need to look at the mains or rods.
Good Luck
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:24:26 -0500
From: "Brad Smith" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF

- ----- Original Message -----
From: John LaGrone ford-trucks.com>
To: -FordTruckDigest <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 11:42 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF


> I have been thinking on this some more. Someone said some folks put Ford
ATF
> in to make their tranny shift harder. I for one want my tranny to shift
> smoother. The only way I can tell that Henry's C6 shifts is a drop in RPM.
> That's the way it should be IMHO. To me a harder shift means more wear and
> tear. This also illustrates that there is a difference in the properties
of
> Ford ATF and Dexron.
>
> Oh yeah. If you aren't the original owner or aren't sure about the history
> of the truck, then you might not have the correct dipstick and may not
have
> the right information.
>
Believe it or not, harder shifts actually mean less wear... If a tranny
shifts slow and smooth, the bands are engaging slowly, and, well, it's kinda
like riding the clutch... That's why shift kits make your tranny shift
harder, while extending the life of the tranny...

Brad


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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:15:09 -0500
From: "T.Q. Dermako" earthlink.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 69 Bronco 4x4 Drivetrain into 67 Econoline Supervan?

Just out of curiosity, do y'all think it'll fit? I know there has got to be
some modification to the chassis, but how much? The 302 should go right in
w/crossmember changes. Help me out - nee to get this crazy idea out of my
head.

Tom

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:20:42 PST
From: "Don Jones" hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey 2

>
>
>1. What year and model truck do you have?


1970 F-250 4X4

>2. Which of the following best describes your truck:
>
> A. Competely restored to showroom condition or better
> B. Unrestored original or amateur restoration. From 30 feet
>it looks like a new truck.


B.... But more like 50 feet and 60 mph ( this vehicle has *character*)

>3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis?

Sure!..I have taken it on a few trips that were quite a bit less than cross
country, and a few that were out of tow-truck and cell phone range, where a
break down would mean a week wait till a search party was even sent out.

Don Jones
1970 f-250 ~Fordzilla~

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:21:57 EST
From: SHill48337aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ballast Resistor?

In a message dated 12/27/99 10:49:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, BDIJXSaol.com
writes:

<< have an FE in a 69 F-100 4x4. I measured the voltage at the positive side
of the coil to be in the 10-1/2 volt range. I'm using a Mallory distributor,
and they say that this voltage should be in the 8 - 9 volt range. I was
under
the impression that the coil wire was "resistive"....can there be something
wrong with this? I would assume that if there was a problem with this wire,
the resistance would go up... >>
Quick question does this distributor have dual points and was at least one of
them closed when you took this reading? The voltage will drop a volt or so
when the circut is loaded, might put you in spec. These resistance wires are
still available, bought one last year from NAPA, they had to order it, took a
day. Good Luck
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:05:59 EST
From: JJJJJGRANTaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F250 crewcab 4x4

i recently paid $1000.00 for my 79 f250 extended cab 4x4, 351m, automatic,
410 gears, 140,000 miles, all in all truck is in good condition, except for
the rod sticking through the pan, but i bought a 400 long block for it for
$1000.00, i'm getting the tranny freshened up too (175.00) so when i'm
through with it i'll have maybe 2500.00 in it and some labor. its not real
pretty, but its pretty clean underneath. with a paint job it will look nice.
the guy i bought it from had receipts where he just spent $1200.00 on the
rear end,
he had a detroit locker installed, new ring & pinion, bearings etc. and labor.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:59:12 -0600
From: George Ramsower stic.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey

'78 F-150 400/C6 1. What year and model truck do you have?

Both 2. Do you drive it everyday or is it a "hobby" truck?

Probably not.
Too many miles on it 3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a
routine basis?
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:24:46 -0800
From: "Jeff Norville" sosinet.net>
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New motor started today...

Mm, the excitement of high RPMs, smoke, loose (oops) exhaust
tube-to-manifold connections, fumes. Very gratifying to have the thing fire
up so smoothly and quickly.

However...

Power steering belt fried itself immediately after I raised RPMs to begin
cam break-in (ah, the excitement of high-speed rubber projectiles next to a
rebuilt radiator and my face) (yeah, I know, stand to the side, very lucky);
an obvious misalignment of brackets that I ignored in the heat of the
moment. Must've swapped spacers or mis-stacked brackets or something. It
was getting dark.

As the fun of tearing down all the brackets begins tomorrow morning, has
anybody done the conversion to serpentine belt on an M-block? Just curious
- - I am already over budget so it's not feasible to drool on a new project
that includes buying new alternator/water pump/etc.



Wondering about a total dollar guesstimate, and can one even find a smog
pump for an old m-block in a serpentine format? Probably not. Would a pump
from a 351 Cleveland work? How many diff't smog pumps are out there anyhow?
Mine already takes a diff't size belt that the rest of the accessories...
Oh well. Guess I'll burn that bridge when I get to it.

Jeff
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 03:33:59 -0600
From: "Freewheel" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wanted: 79 Gas tank filler hose.

Most any NAPA store sells these

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Richardson hotmail.com>
To: <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 8:33 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wanted: 79 Gas tank filler hose.


> I need a gas tank filler hose for my 1979 F-100. There's a large hose and
> then a smaller one. I guess it's a vent. I accidentally cut the old ones
> when I cut a bad panel off of the bed. If anyone has one laying around
I'll
> pay to have it mailed to me. Or if anyone knows of a place close to the
Lake
> Charles, La. area I'd appreciate knowing about it. Thanks
>
> Bill Richardson
> 1979 F-100 302
> ______________________________________________________
> >
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:55:56 -0800
From: "bronco66" teleport.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Starting front axle rebuild - Steering ?'s

It sounds to me like you are using the model of nuckels similar to a 79
bronco with disc. I have a 66 bronco and we did a nuckel out conversion
from a 79 bronco. For this to work with the stock tie rods we had to
purchase a shim. A company called BC BRONCO'S makes a shim. It is a nice
metal job fits really nicely. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bcbroncos.com/page6.html look
here for info. I think they are like $16.

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From: pacifier.com>
To: <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Cc: mailhub.pacifier.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 1999 11:47 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Starting front axle rebuild - Steering ?'s


> I am off work for the coming week, so am going to attempt rebuilding
> my front axle. I currently have the axle assembly out with the axles
> removed and diff. cover off.
>
> This is what I have:
> - 1/2 ton '74 F-100 (coil springs)
> - Reverse rotation Dana 44 with open differential and 3.50 ring &
> pinion
> - Broken teeth on the spider gears - side gears, ring, and pinion
> look good so far
> - Disk brake spindles installed by a previous owner
> - Original, funky ram type power assist setup leaking badly
>
> I am going to have a lot of questions during this process since I
> have never done this before. To start with:
>
> 1) When I disconnected the tie rod ends from the steering knuckles,
> there was some shim stock wrapped around the tapers. Also the
> Castle nuts screwed down too far so the cotter pin didn't really
> engage the cutouts in the nuts. I remember someone saying the
> tapers are a different size between drum brake and disk brake
> knuckles.
>
> Is it possible to identify the year truck that these knuckles came
> from? The only numbers on them are 620170L and 620169R.
>
> If I get a tie rod for a '79, Will it work with my existing drag
> link?
>
> Should the tie rod length be the same irregardless of whether
> the axle housing is a '74 or '79?
>
> Can I use the drag link from a '79 with the afore-mentioned tie
> rod with the existing manual steering box? I would toss the ram-
> assist stuff until I could get an integral box mounted.
>
> 2) All of the rubber bushing material on the radius arms need
> replacing. The truck is stock height.
>
> If my concerns are cost and longevity, where should I get them?
> Should I consider polyurethane?
>
> I noticed poly C bushings with a 2 degree offset for stock height
> to 2" lift. Anyone know of aftermarket springs that would give
> me the 2" lift with close to stock spring rate?
>
> 3) With everything disconnected and the spindles removed, one
> steering knuckle is very easy to turn by hand and the other is
> pretty stiff. I don't feel any play in either one. Should I
> replace the ball joints on the stiff side, or just replace them
> all?
>
> 4) Anyone near southwest Washington state have a '78 or '79
> F-150 with stock steering components I can take a look at?
> Maybe let me take some measurements and pictures?
>
>
> Mark in Southwest Washington
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html
> --
> '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
> temporarily in live mode
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:14:00 -0800
From: "bronco66" teleport.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Use Survey

1. What year and model truck do you have?
72 F100 (short bed) 4X4
429, L&L motor mounts, borgeson dual u-joint steering shaft, k&n, 6"
suspension lift, 3" body lift, 35x12.5 bfg's, buckets from a isuzu amigo,
ect.

2. Do you drive it everyday or is it a "hobby" truck?
yes, i drive it everyday, It gets me up the mountain and to work to pay the
bills.

3. Would you drive your truck cross-country on a routine basis?
no, absolutely not. This is wheeling and short trip truck.

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 05:21:04 -0500
From: "G.T. Herpich" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dexron vs Ford ATF

Ford didn't add anything to make type F shift harder, it was a case of the gm
trans needing
dextron added to make their shifts softer. That's why performance minded gm guys

would use type F.
Faster (read harder) shifts cause less wear. Smooth shifts mean there is
slippage between
upshifts.
George


John LaGrone wrote:

> I have been thinking on this some more. Someone said some folks put Ford ATF
> in to make their tranny shift harder. I for one want my tranny to shift
> smoother. The only way I can tell that Henry's C6 shifts is a drop in RPM.
> That's the way it should be IMHO. To me a harder shift means more wear and
> tear. This also illustrates that there is a difference in the properties of
> Ford ATF and Dexron.
>
> Oh yeah. If you aren't the original owner or aren't sure about the history
> of the truck, then you might not have the correct dipstick and may not have
> the right information.
>
> -- John
> jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
> 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
> Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 05:28:59 EST
From: A4x4junkyaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - No oil pressure...could use a little advise.

In a message dated 12/27/99 10:42:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SHill48337aol.com writes:

<< Ouch, how did the water get in the crank case? And there are more
questions,
was it muddy water? I am not sure there is such a thing as a little milky,
do you have some idea of the volume of water. The reason I ask is you are
right if it was a small amount the consquences should also be small. Your
filter should have taken the trash/grit out until it plugged, then it would
by-pass and all of the dirt would go through the bearings. If you were
running it hard and the water volume was around a quart or so then your
thought of the mains being wiped is in the relm of possibility. If the
water
had a lot of grit that could make things even worse. Maybe someone else
will
have some other ideas, but I think you need to look at the mains or rods.
Good Luck
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 >>

The oil was overfull by about 1/2 quart. I believe it was completely full
when I started. It was not clear water...so I am sure there was some grit.
I will be pulling it apart tonight. Thanx..

Anthony
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