fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, February 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 096



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In this issue:

Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: '65 F100 transmission replacement ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Engine color [DEAN LACY LINDA LACY ]
Re: '79 Merc [Dennis Pearson ]
Re: '79 Merc [RL ]
Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms ["Deacon" ]
71 F-100 4x4 pitman arm stuff [BDIJXS aol.com]
Drop down pitman arm [BDIJXS aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #93 [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Wi]
Re: Header torque specs? ["Deacon" ]
302 Mounting question [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Phone # [am14 chrysler.com]
Rejections by Mailer [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #93 [Kurt Albershardt ]
351Mod [cdriddervold juno.com (Charles D Riddervold II)]
Re: '79 Merc [ECampb5214 aol.com]
Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms [Dennis Pearson ]
to Shoman [Bruce Hart ]
Re: Plastic model trucks... [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Big Block conversions [sdelanty ]
Re: 351Mod ["Jason K. Schechner" ]
Re: 1969 302 Engine Code ["Greg Charney" ]

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:12:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms

> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:05:37 -0800
> From: Kurt Albershardt
> Subject: Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms

> Dampeners are things that make things wet.

Take a look in the dictionary, I bet that's not quite right :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:13:50 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: '65 F100 transmission replacement

> From: steve.peters mts.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:15:47 -0500
> Subject: '65 F100 transmission replacement

> very old and hard to get parts for, I've decided it best to replace
> it. My first thought was to go with a C6, since I know they are
> very popular. My truck has a 352 engine.
> Is the the C6 a good choice? Are there better choices?

C-6 is good and wide ratio C-6 for big block applications is better.
Toughest tranny ford ever built (auto that is) :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:15:59 -0800
From: DEAN LACY LINDA LACY
Subject: Re: Engine color

shoman p3.net wrote:
>
> >From what my mind remembers...After 1966 all ford v-8's were dark blue..
> My friend had an original 67 cougar the 289 was dark blue my 69 mustang
> motor is dark blue...the 302 in my f-100 dark the 390 in the 70 f250
> dark..hope this helps
> Joe
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Showman,
If memory serves me correctly the 289 block s were blue. The 390 s were
red.

Dean

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:02:17 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: '79 Merc

Again, my typing causes an inaccuracy. I should have typed 1970
Marquis. Sorry for the screwup.

Thanks for your message at 01:44 PM 2/16/98 -0500, am14 chrysler.com. Your
message was:
>Dennis writes:>>I have just been offered a 79 Marquis with a 429 and (I
>assume) a C6 tranny.
>
> The C6 is probably correct. 429 is probably wrong. It should be a
>460 if it is of the 385 family. I think the 429 died along with high
>compression at the end of 1972.
>
>Azie
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:27:31 -0600 (CST)
From: RL
Subject: Re: '79 Merc

They still had the 429 around in 1973 but it was limited numbers. I've
seen one in a Margius of that yr in a yard.
Ryan
1971 Torino 500, 1971 F-100, 1977 Hornet Sportabout,
1978 New Yorker e-mail: st0478 student-mail.jsu.edu
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/9027
Fairlane Club of America, American Station Wagon Owners
Association

On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 am14 chrysler.com wrote:

> Dennis writes:>>I have just been offered a 79 Marquis with a 429 and (I
> assume) a C6 tranny.
>
> The C6 is probably correct. 429 is probably wrong. It should be a
> 460 if it is of the 385 family. I think the 429 died along with high
> compression at the end of 1972.
>
> Azie
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:37:35 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms

>I am tired and it is Munday.....See I cain't even speell. Don't tell
anyone
>I is a skool teacher. If you are like me you read some posts
soooooofast
>and Like I said, I can't spell for krap. Right Deacon?
>STU
>Nuke GM!

And to Mr. Varner. The teacher that taught me to always go that
extra mile. Ya, He told me to get out of his sight, so I walked away.
When I stopped I could hear him scream "I SAID, OUT OF MY SIGHT"! Good
ol' Mr. Varner. He was always working real hard on his computer. I think
he was writing a book or something. :}


I don't know but sometimes it sounds to me you guys are talking
about a Steering Stabilizer. When using large tires they keep the
front-end from shimmying. I had a vibration damper in the rear-end of a
'62 MB 220S. It was a clothe coupling that attached the yoke to the
pinion. The thing that keeps things wet is called a leak. Most of us try
to stop those, not install them. :)


Henry Ford was a grand old man
Had four wheels and an old tin can
Put 'em together and the damn thing ran
Henry Ford was a grand old man


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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:05:32 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: 71 F-100 4x4 pitman arm stuff

Hey Stu,

I was thinking a little about your lift kit project and subsequent search for
a drop-down pitman arm. Its possible that they don't have one for your 71
since those arms (if they are the same as my 69 was) had a "ball" pressed into
the end to accept the adjustable "socket" on the drag link. Having this little
ball makes this style pitman arm a little more difficult to manufacture. These
setups also had the drag link connecting to the TOP of the arm. The only drop-
down arms I've seen were for the 78 and newer rigs where the drag link
attached from bottom of the arm, and only a tapered hole was required in the
arm to accept the fully-integrated ball joint in the drag link. This was a
better setup since the drag link angle was kept lower. The 76-77's had the
ball joint integral with the pitman arm, making them expensive.

There's a couple of ways you can go here, the best being to update the whole
setup to a 78-79, including a power steering box. If you don't want to go that
far, you can get the 78-79 drop-down pitman arm and a 78-79 drag link. The
pitman arm will bolt right up to your manual steering box (if thats what you
have), but the drag link may need to be shortened to fit between the steering
box and the lower connection on the main tie rod. The tapered hole in the main
tie rod may need to be honed out a little to accept the new drag link as well,
I'm not sure.

Also, since you are doing a 4" lift, don't forget to get the "C" bushing kit
from Energy Suspension that rotates the front end 4 degrees to keep your stock
caster angle pretty close.

Another thing to consider with this much lift is the tracking arm
bracket...better lower it also like Tony says...at least 2 or 3 inches.

Finally, the bracket at the back of the radius rod from a 79 would be a good
addition, since it drops the rear of the radius rod about 2 or 3 inches lower
than the stocker (at least this was the difference between my 69 and the 79).
The bolt holes all line up, you'll just have to grind some rivets to get the
old brackets off....

Hope some of this is useful....

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:27:13 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: Drop down pitman arm

Hey Stu,

One manufacturer of the drop-down pitman arms is Superlift in Monroe,
Louisiana. I don't have their number, but you can call information for area
code 318 and they should be able to get to your closest distributor. ...just
tell them your year truck, and hopefully they'll have one. You can also order
them from JCWhitney....check out their catalog....

You might want to check out if your damper is working or has long-since lost
its oil. Just pull off one end and see, it should damp the same in both
directions. You may just want to upgrade to the larger versions (something
like 1-5/8" piston) for the larger tires (even though the sizes you mention
are relatively small....there are a quite a few F-100 4x4's with 33" and
taller tires) as the stock dampers can be pretty small in diameter.


Colorado Jeff

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:12:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #93

- -> The Novell message was most likely an automated 'out-of-office
- -> assistant' (Microsoft Outlook term) which responds to any incoming
- -> mail. You'll probably see more of them as time goes on.

That stuff pops up regularly as an "enhancement" to mailer software;
the clueless people who write the stuff never seem to quite learn.

The normal response is to flame the hell out of the sender, who will
then contact his system administrator. Eventually the "enhancement" is
quietly withdrawn or made into a non-default feature.

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:02:34 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Header torque specs?

>From Ted
>Is there a torque spec. for the bolt that tightens the header to the
head?

I used the torque spec in the manual for the exhaust manifold. I
think 20 ft.lb. but it's no big deal. Header bolts tend to get loose. If
you don't keep them tight and they start leaking, the gasket gets
valleys burned into them and you can't get them to stop leaking.
My truck has stock Mustang shorties that I ground the weld out of
each port. Been on over a year and have never come loose. So far their
the best headers I've ever had. To bad Ford doesn't have them for an FE.
I'd get a free set from another Mustang owner that had money burning a
hole in his pocket. Just like I did for my 302!
Later!



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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:23:47 -0500
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: 302 Mounting question

Yes it's me again maybe one of these days I'll get this truck finished
and stop asking what are question which you all are probably bored with
but I am very confused so please bear with me and Help! I ordered 302
motor mounts the ones to the frame well they came in and they look
exactly the same as the 240 mounts at a quick glance which is all I
could get in the pouring rain. I set the new ones beside the old ones
(240) and I swear they're the same is this my imagination or is there
that slight of a difference? I really do appreciate all the help and I
promise to stop bugging everyone with this little stuff soon. Thanks

Duke's
Fine 69
F-100
302

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:07:47 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Phone #

Boy, Sleddog!!!!! You got a bunch of answers on that ph# request. Do
all of them agree it is in N Jersey and not NY???????? New Jersey --
NY Not much difference. Right??

Azie

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:09:28 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Rejections by Mailer

Hey Stu>>My dad has been having the same problem for about 2
weeks.......he is new to
the mail thing though. It could be a problem wuth the server in
murfreesboro, TN.

Tell your Dad about the Lower/Upper case thingy that Deacon set me
straight on.

Azie

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:22:35 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #93

At 03:12 PM 2/16/98 -0500, Dave Williams wrote:
>
>-> The Novell message was most likely an automated 'out-of-office
>-> assistant' (Microsoft Outlook term) which responds to any incoming
>-> mail. You'll probably see more of them as time goes on.
>
> That stuff pops up regularly as an "enhancement" to mailer software;
>the clueless people who write the stuff never seem to quite learn.
>
> The normal response is to flame the hell out of the sender, who will
>then contact his system administrator. Eventually the "enhancement" is
>quietly withdrawn or made into a non-default feature.
>

Or get a personal mailbox that doesn't do those things and use it for
listservers. Hotmail, etc. come to mind as good solutions for those with
gadgeteers for mail admins.

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:14:52 -0500
From: cdriddervold juno.com (Charles D Riddervold II)
Subject: 351Mod

Hi guys, I have been a member for a few months now and have enjoyed the
tech support and the antics too! But now I have questions.
I own a '78 F-250, w/ a 351M, a friend of mine offered me a '71
351C engine for $100. It has an Edelbrock Performer on it and the heads
are good. The cam gear and dist gear blew chunks but the rest of the
motor seems fine.
My truck is a daily driver,(60 miles a day tobe exact) I use the
4WD often in the ice and snow of the Lake Ontario area of New York. And
I really don't have the time to have my engine out for a week or so to
have the heads done.
My question is, would these heads work on my motor, if so I would
have them done before I pull the motor and do the lower end and rings
myself. this way I'm done in a minimal amount of time and I get a fresh
set of heads.
Also would the intake work, all gaskets for the 351C/M seem to be
the same?
Thanks in advance for the hints

Charlie
Sodus,NY
78 F-250 351M, 4-Speed, 4WD

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:19:31 EST
From: ECampb5214 aol.com
Subject: Re: '79 Merc

Dont jump to conclusions those were some extremely nice cars. leather interior
air conditioning they were biult like tanks

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:34:30 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: F-100/F-150 Tracking Arms

And I don't know, but some of the entries seem to relate to one of my
students' project page: Timeline of LSD
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ctc.edu/~dpearson/gale.htm .


Thanks for your message at 02:37 PM 2/16/98 -0800, Deacon. Your message was:
>
>>I am tired and it is Munday.....See I cain't even speell. Don't tell
>anyone
>>I is a skool teacher. If you are like me you read some posts
>soooooofast
>>and Like I said, I can't spell for krap. Right Deacon?
>>STU
>>Nuke GM!
>
> And to Mr. Varner. The teacher that taught me to always go that
>extra mile. Ya, He told me to get out of his sight, so I walked away.
>When I stopped I could hear him scream "I SAID, OUT OF MY SIGHT"! Good
>ol' Mr. Varner. He was always working real hard on his computer. I think
>he was writing a book or something. :}
>
>
> I don't know but sometimes it sounds to me you guys are talking
>about a Steering Stabilizer. When using large tires they keep the
>front-end from shimmying. I had a vibration damper in the rear-end of a
>'62 MB 220S. It was a clothe coupling that attached the yoke to the
>pinion. The thing that keeps things wet is called a leak. Most of us try
>to stop those, not install them. :)
>
>
>Henry Ford was a grand old man
>Had four wheels and an old tin can
>Put 'em together and the damn thing ran
>Henry Ford was a grand old man
>
>
>Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
>================================================
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>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:50:43 -0500
From: Bruce Hart
Subject: to Shoman

Great site,I've visited a few times and the info is great(I have a 1969
F-350) one problem I've had is when I click on the decoder I get a
netscape page fault and have had to shut down my browser.I 've tried
several times all with the same result.I'm not sure why but I wanted to
let you know and ask the group if anyone else has had this problem.I'll
keep checking my end as this is probably at my end but any help would be
appreciated.Bruce Hart

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:43:33 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Plastic model trucks...

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
> > From: danadeb pacbell.net
> > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:02:51 -0800
> > Subject: Re: Plastic model trucks...
>
> > Why not try the technology of the 90s. Take a few photos and have
> > them scanned, then use a paint program to try different color
> > schemes!
>
> Too bad you can' t scan the truck itself...........:-) And then save
> it over itself when you get it the way you want.........:-)
>


Deacon, I think Gary is trying to steal your crown! ;)

Dana

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:42:33 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: Big Block conversions

>Hey everyone!
>
>I'm interested in hearing from anybody that has stuffed a big block FE
>V-8, or a 429/460 into a F100 truck.
>
>
>Show me the money!
>
>
>Dan


Not much "stuffing" to do getting an FE into a F100 since the factory
did it for so many years...

My '71 F100 had a 240/6 with a T-18 tranny in it origionally. Dropping
an FE390 into it went like this:

Remove 240, move motor mount support brackets back 2-1/2" (the holes were
already in the frame), Change bellhousing on tranny to FE style, drop FE390
in, change radiator and hoses, change 6 cyl style gas pedal assy to V8 style,
change exhaust system.
That's about it. The wiring all hooked right up, except I had to lengthen
the oil press wire about 4".
If You've got an automatic You'll need a C6 with FE bellhousing....

Happy motoring,

Steve

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment
by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
-- Justice Louis D. Brandeis

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:12:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jason K. Schechner"
Subject: Re: 351Mod

Yup, the 351C heads will bolt right on to the 351M. I've heard
that it's one of the best bang-for-the-buck mods you can do to the 351M.

- -Jason
79 Bronco (460 coming soon, C6, 33" BFG AT's) GRN GYNT - offroad monster
79 Bronco (400M, C6, 31" Wranglers) blue - BGHOSS....


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