fordtrucks61-79-digest Monday, February 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 094



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In this issue:

Re:fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #93 ["Chris Findlay" ]
Re: Vin question [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
F150 Tracking Arms [BDIJXS aol.com]
Re: 9" Ford [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: 9" Ford [Brian ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #93 [Don Grossman ]
Re: 9" Ford [danadeb pacbell.net]
460 [Jim Craig ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #93 [Ken Payne ]
RE: fordtrucks & wives... [Sleddog ]
429 in a Marquis [Dennis Pearson ]
Re: fordtrucks & wives... [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Progress on the '65 project truck. ["Dennis K. Austin"
Re: Plastic model trucks... ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: Subscription numbers back up ["Deacon" ]

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 03:59:44 -0700
From: "Chris Findlay"
Subject: Re:fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #93

Novell and Sales Operations will be closed on Monday Feb 16 for Presidents =
Day.

Chris Findlay.

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:32:11 -0500
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Re: Vin question

Thanks to everyone for the reply I guess that I will just have to work
with the parts chimps since it is obvious that it's not they're fault.
Judging from the responses I guess it means these trucks are sortof
rare.

Duke's
Fine 69
F-100
302

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:53:13 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: F150 Tracking Arms

Gary and Tony,

Good work, pretty much what I suspected....

I'm looking for a 78-79 Bronco now. Anyone have a spare set of front shock
mounts (upper and lower) for the dual shock setup from the 78-79 Bronco laying
around? How about a swaybar?

Whats cool about the update is that just about EVERYTHING from the 78-79 year
bolts right into the 69. Looks like the only holes to be drilled will be for
the rear shock mounts on the frame which are currently on the spring tower...

Thanks again guys,

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:36:23 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 9" Ford

Brian wrote:
>
> Hey gang.
> I pulled the rear end apart today on my '64 to check out its well being.
> found lots of rust in the drivers side tube. So bad that the bearing was
> pretty well stuck in there, had to use my slide hammer to get the axle
> out. But the gears did look good and the bearings are new.
> Questions are as follows.
>
> 1) I counted the teeth on the ring gear and it had 39, the pinion had
> 13. Does this make it a 300 ratio ??
>


Yes you have a 3:1 gear ratio!




> 2) This seems a little tall to me, With the 460, mildly built I am
> thinking more on the lines of 4:10's or maybe 3:73's. The tire size is
> 255/60/15. What do you all think ? and will the 9" carrier except
> different gears or is it like a dana that only covers certain ratio's
> before you need a different carrier.


My guess is that 255/60/15 is about a 26 to 28 inch diameter tire, 3:1 sounds
good to me. It all depends what and how you intend to use your truck.
Tire Dia.Rear RatioRPM at 60 mph
283.002160

283.732686

284.102953

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263.002327

263.732893

264.103180



Right now I have a 460, C6 auto, 3.54 rear gears, and 33 inch dia. tires and
below are my numbers, I had a lot more get-up-and-go when I had 30 inch rear
tires. I was going to change to 3.73 rear gears when the rear was rebuilt but
the shop goofed and put 3.52 back in. ( I did not catch the error till it was
too late :( )

333.542163

( disclaimer: the above numbers were produced by me on a spread sheet and are
for relative comparison only actual RPM may be different. Slip in the trans.
etc., )


As you can see tire dia. makes a big difference.

How do you plan on using your truck?



Dana

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:17:13 -0500
From: Brian
Subject: Re: 9" Ford

danadeb pacbell.net wrote:
>
> Brian wrote:
> >
> > Hey gang.
> > I pulled the rear end apart today on my '64 to check out its well being.
> > found lots of rust in the drivers side tube. So bad that the bearing was
> > pretty well stuck in there, had to use my slide hammer to get the axle
> > out. But the gears did look good and the bearings are new.
> > Questions are as follows.
> >
> > 1) I counted the teeth on the ring gear and it had 39, the pinion had
> > 13. Does this make it a 300 ratio ??
> >
>
> Yes you have a 3:1 gear ratio!
>
> > 2) This seems a little tall to me, With the 460, mildly built I am
> > thinking more on the lines of 4:10's or maybe 3:73's. The tire size is
> > 255/60/15. What do you all think ? and will the 9" carrier except
> > different gears or is it like a dana that only covers certain ratio's
> > before you need a different carrier.
>
> My guess is that 255/60/15 is about a 26 to 28 inch diameter tire, 3:1 sounds
> good to me. It all depends what and how you intend to use your truck.
> Tire Dia. Rear Ratio RPM at 60 mph
> 28 3.00 2160
>
> 28 3.73 2686
>
> 28 4.10 2953
>
> ===================================================
> 26 3.00 2327
>
> 26 3.73 2893
>
> 26 4.10 3180
>
> Right now I have a 460, C6 auto, 3.54 rear gears, and 33 inch dia. tires and
> below are my numbers, I had a lot more get-up-and-go when I had 30 inch rear
> tires. I was going to change to 3.73 rear gears when the rear was rebuilt but
> the shop goofed and put 3.52 back in. ( I did not catch the error till it was
> too late :( )
>
> 33 3.54 2163
>
> ( disclaimer: the above numbers were produced by me on a spread sheet and are
> for relative comparison only actual RPM may be different. Slip in the trans.
> etc., )
>
> As you can see tire dia. makes a big difference.
>
> How do you plan on using your truck?
>
> Dana
>
Hey Dana...Thanks for the info. I'm just building a toy !! I'm looking
to be able to have a "sleeper". I want to be able to have the kids in
their 5.0's read only my rear license plate !! And have the power to
overcome most challengers !! Ha Ha ...sounds like about 20 years ago
when I was in high school !!

Brian

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:34:21 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #93

Chris Findlay wrote:
>
> Novell and Sales Operations will be closed on Monday Feb 16 for Presidents Day.
>
> Chris Findlay.

Thank you Chris. I would never have guessed that by my self. I did
read it the first time.

Will you be open on Tuesday?
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:44:34 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 9" Ford

Well then you probably already know what gear to use! ( 3.73 or 4.10 should spin
the tires quit well! )

Get some traction bars or other traction device, I get alot of wheel hop.


( Be SAFE out there! The baby you kill might be your own! Race on a designated
track only)

Sleddog, have any suggestions as to gearing / tire size for best traction / low
ET?


Dana

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:42:13 -0600
From: Jim Craig
Subject: 460

I got that 460, and it appears to be in excellent condition. Before I bolt
it in, I need an overdrive tranny. This engine will be a daily driver, so
mileage is a definite consideration. I've always rowed my own gears and
never liked automatics until I got a C-6, so auto or manual--it doesn't
matter. What I am looking for is a tranny with an overdrive so my rear end
gears will not play such a critical role in getting the highway RPM's down
to the point where it hurts acceleration from a standstill. I've had good
results from an E4OD, and the wide ratio gear set is always an option. The
only problem is the computer box to get her to shift to the top. As far as
manuals, this appears to be the way to go. What five speed will bolt to a
'69 460? A six speed would be killer--to the wallet, even from a boneyard
if I can find one. I appreciate any ideas.

Jimbo
'77 Supercab
Soon to be
with a 460!

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:23:00 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #93

Chris will be removed since his system is gracing us with these
messages.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

At 09:34 AM 2/15/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Chris Findlay wrote:
>>
>> Novell and Sales Operations will be closed on Monday Feb 16 for Presidents Day.
>>
>> Chris Findlay.
>
>Thank you Chris. I would never have guessed that by my self. I did
>read it the first time.
>
>Will you be open on Tuesday?
>--
>Don Grossman
>duckdon pacific.net
>

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:06:29 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: fordtrucks & wives...

find a longbed dually with the big fenders (a ford !!)

sleddog

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Later in the evening she says,"You know those pickups that are short
with big fenders are cute." and the she says, "But, yours (my '65
Styleside longbed) is ugly!" (&*%$ that horse just kicked me again!)
OUUCCHH!! Now what do I do?!?!. Find a longbed with big fat fenders?

I think I will paint it purple and script her name in big letters across
the tailgate!!! Ha! Ha!

- -=DENNIS=-





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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:09:13 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: 429 in a Marquis

I have just been offered a 79 Marquis with a 429 and (I assume) a C6
tranny. It seems to run and certainly has plenty of power. I happen to
have a '62 F100 that needs an engine and tranny. It last had a GM something
or other in it, so it looks like motor mounts, etc will be needed. Oh
yeah, Levi (see http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm) has offered it to
me for $300, car and all, if I want it. Is this a reasonable deal? This
guy sold me my '62 Unibody, which I have loved since I got it, so I believe
he's no crook--and he's my neighbor. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks.

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:29:33 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: fordtrucks & wives...

yea!
Dana

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:15:22 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Progress on the '65 project truck.

Hey Ken and folks on the list.

Well, today it rained and it was cold, but a friend of mine and I layed
out under the truck outside (real diehard's here) and put the
NP435/ATA435 back into the truck. Lucky for us he brought his big floor
jack. We did get soaked and cold before it was over, but that one big
heavy job done and out of the way.

We found out that the 302 w/ a standard transmission has on special
plate that goes from the bell housing on the driver's side to the clutch
pedal "equalizer bar." The book I am using says "only 302" for this
configuration, so there is another way to ID the 302, but from
underneath the truck.

All, I got to do now is finish up the brake lines and put the drive
shafts back in. Of course I have to do the field alignment on the front
end too. However, I am lucky in that across from the entrance to our
neighborhood is a Cooper Tire Store. As soon as I get it field aligned
I am heading straight there to have them finish up the alignment.

I just can't wait to drive it!

- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:34:41 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Plastic model trucks...

Have you guys seen a '65/'66 plastic model kit of a F-100 that I could
build? I wouldn't mind getting one to play with paint schemes on before
I take my real one in for painting.

Also, since color of engines blocks has been coming up lately...what
color was the 302 block in the '65 F-100?

- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:23:27 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Subscription numbers back up

From: Ken Payne
>About a month ago I stated that membership on this list
>was declining. Well, I just checked the numbers and it
>looks like the group is growing rapidly again. We now
>have 495 members on this list.

Maybe the people from the 80 and up list all have their bug shields
and bed liners in their trucks and have nothing left to talk about, so
their coming back here for the real tech talk! :~)

Hey, it's just a joke! :) Come on, why is it so quiet! Steve, Dana,
where'd you go? There you are. Gee, when you said go ahead and post it,
that you'd be behind me all the way. I thought you'd be a little closer
than that!
Ah no, not another fatherly talk. God not the clown all your life
speech! Well maybe I do want to be a clown. Sure I'll wear a big red
nose, give me it... "Hey Butchy Boy"... {:0) OUCH! Hey, that ain't
talkin', that's hittin'!
Later Gang. I gotta go. Sure glad the list is growing again. Hope we....


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