fordtrucks61-79-digest Saturday, February 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 092



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In this issue:

Re: OLD TRUCKS [George Herpich ]
Phoenix bleeder ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
E350 [am14 chrysler.com]
a couple trucks [Dennis Pearson ]
390 into 428 [BDIJXS aol.com]
Flathead [am14 chrysler.com]
OLD TRUCKS [John Strauss ]
390/428 [am14 chrysler.com]
Dana 60 front in 1/2 ton [james oxley ]
My 67-72 Site is Up [shoman p3.net]
390 Upgrades ["PAUL MONTY" ]
Re: Dana 60 front in 1/2 ton ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 1969 302 Engine Code [JRFiero aol.com]
Heater Core Trouble ["Abajo, Ed" ]
Thank You! [Jesus Cardoso ]
Re: OLD TRUCKS [JRFiero aol.com]
Re: 1969 302 Engine Code [wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #91 [Carey Rekedal ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #91 [Dan Koster ]
Re: fordtrucks & wives... ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: fordtrucks & wives... [mongo ]
misc. parts sources needed ["Jeff Towne" ]
Re: fordtrucks & wives... [ECampb5214 aol.com]

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 06:55:46 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: OLD TRUCKS

RANDY D wrote:
>
> I know this is the wrong list but your advice and wisdom is worth more
> than all the gold in FORT KNOX. I found a truck not sure of the year. I
> think its between 1948 to 1952 F1 could anyone tell me what year FORD
> put a FLATHEAD V8 in this truck ? I would like to know what year this
> truck is ? I am trying to fine the owner of it , but would like to know
> a little about it before i talk to him . I have the serial number from
> the firewall if this helps its (F1R1MP13101)

I don't know much about F1's but since you're not getting many answers I
can help a little.
If the grill goes all the way across with one bar and a few big teeth,
it's a '51 or '52. From the vin I would guess the second digit '1' would
indicate '51.
George

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:34:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Phoenix bleeder

Well I got the bleeder kit last night but didn't try it out yet.
I've got to watch Air Force One tonight but may have time to try it
later on. The kit case is pretty nice but not sure if it's really
worth $18. As for the rest of it time will tell I guess. Sure
doesn't seem like very much for a $98 investment. Better work like a
million bucks :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:27:03 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: E350

Thank you, Ryan. This might "fill the bill".

>>>I saw this in the local bargin trader and since there was some talk
about it I'd post it to the list:

1977 Ford E-350, 4x4 Van, 460 engine, not running
(205) 354-5065

No price was lisited. I'm not sure where they are located as I don't
have a phone book but they should be in the Calhoun, Etawoh, and
Talladega County area. One of these places.


I live in N. Al. 1 mile south of the Tn. State line and 3 miles E of
I65, so it can't be too far from either of us. My area code is also
(205).

I would say "Go Jax State", but I have a daughter at UAB now, and one
that just graduated from UNA, and 3 that graduated from UAH, so even if
I can't say that, I appreciate your info.

Azie

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 06:39:41 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: a couple trucks

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm

Just passing along a URL for a new website with a couple trucks practically
in my back yard!

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:40:49 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: 390 into 428

Hey Carey,

Dan is probably correct in discouraging you a little in building the 428 if
this is your first go-around. The primary reason is cost and difficulty in
finding parts. I am building a 360 into a standard 428 (not a CJ or Cobra Jet)
and have had to spend quite a bit of time finding parts such as the crank
(pretty rare) and a special flywheel. Since I have a couple of years to put it
together piece by piece, its not too big of a deal. I'm thinking it will pay
off though, since I won't be going with the CJ parts, it should really be a
"stroked" 390. The toughest part for me now is trying figure out exactly what
type of cylinder heads to go with to get the torque....

Anyway, I've had two or three 390's in my 69 F-100 4x4 over the the last 20
years, and not only are they reliable, if you make the modifications that Dan
suggests, it will have plenty of power for a reasonable price....

If you are bound and determined to go with the 428, send me a message and I
can give you a few more details of what you need to do...(at least what I know
of so far....)

Good Luck!

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:42:13 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Flathead

Randy writes:>> I know this is the wrong list but your advice and
wisdom is worth more than all the gold in FORT KNOX. I found a truck
not sure of the year. I think its between 1948 to 1952 F1 could anyone
tell me what year FORD put a FLATHEAD V8 in this truck ? I would like
to know what year this truck is ?

Flathead V8's were optional in Ford trucks from somewhere around 1938
thru the 1953 models. In '49 the distributor changed from a box
looking device located in the front of the engine to a distributor
looking device located on top of the engine.(can't remember if it was
in the front or the rear, but I'm thinking it was in the rear) This
might help in determining what years it could be.

Azie

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:47:38 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: OLD TRUCKS

>I know this is the wrong list but your advice and wisdom is worth more
>than all the gold in FORT KNOX. I found a truck not sure of the year. I
>think its between 1948 to 1952 F1 could anyone tell me what year FORD
>put a FLATHEAD V8 in this truck ? I would like to know what year this
>truck is ? I am trying to fine the owner of it , but would like to know
>a little about it before i talk to him . I have the serial number from
>the firewall if this helps its (F1R1MP13101)

It is most likely a 1952 as the "F1" designation on the first 2 digits of
the VIN were not used prior to September 1, 1951, according to the Red Book.


_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, _} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:11:27 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: 390/428

Carey writes: >>I've been told to go to a four barrel carb, get some
headers, etc. But someone said to "build it into a 428". Can anyone
explain in lamens terms what this entails? Is this a real big deal?
Supposedly, its the same block as a 428. I'm looking for what I guess
everyone wants from their Ford... MORE POWER!!!

Any suggestions or input will be much appreciated. Thanks!!

Don't mean to "bust your buble", but the 428 and the 390 blocks are not
the same. They are
the same family. FE family. The 390 has a bore size of 4.050", and
the 428 bore is 4.030'. Most
390's will not bore this additional .080". Some will, but not all.
I've bored at least 3 into the water
jacket trying to get to 4.130". I've also had 2 that made it with
enough meat to spare to be reliable
performance engines. Everything else remains constant, I believe.

If you still want to pursue this, ask the list again. There are some
very knowledgeable folks here
on the FE's. as well as all FOMOCO engines.

Azie

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:20:48 -0800
From: james oxley
Subject: Dana 60 front in 1/2 ton

Hey all

been workin lots of OT, so I gots to unload this burnin wad. Anyway, I
have been thinking about putting a dana 60 in the front of my 78 Bronco.
My original plan was to use rad arm mounts off an old dana 44 front I
have and weld them to Dana 60 front. I would then cut off spring pads. I
have been warned that Dana 60 front is too heavy for coil spring susp,
but I'm going to try it anyway. I have also been told that my 1/2 ton
steering will almost bolt up to the knuckles on the dana 60 front. Does
anyone have any thoughts on using the whole 1/2 ton steering with 1 ton
front axle? Will tie rods bolt up? What else do you think I will need?
I'm not afraid of fabricating some parts.


Thanks

OX

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:22:46 -0500
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: My 67-72 Site is Up

Ford truck members...My web page is up..Its my first try at it so
I would appreciate any comments emailed to me after you visit it...
What you like dislike, what I need to add etc...the url is

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://web.p3.net/~shoman/

I really would appreciate some feedback

Joe
68 F-100
70 F-250

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:14:33 -0800
From: "PAUL MONTY"
Subject: 390 Upgrades

Hi, I'm Paul and also relatively new to the list. I live on the Central
Coast of CA (near San Luis Obispo), but don't hold that against me as my
wife and I are moving to CO within the year. I still drive (not daily) a
1971 F-250 which I bought new in 1970 when I was 18 years old. 92K miles
now, original paint, and as much fun to drive as it was then--actually more
fun now and that it what this posting is about...

I wanted to respond to Carey's posting about performance improvements for
the 390.
Several years ago, I removed the 300+change CFM Autolite two-barrel and
very heavy cast-iron intake manifold and replaced it with an Edelbrock
Performer (not the Performer Plus version) and a Holley 4150, manual choke,
600 CFM four-barrel. That alone made my truck into a completely different
machine, much more fun to drive. Total cost about $400 if you buy the
parts through Summit Racing Equipment (www.summitracing.com) and do the
installation yourself. It's almost a two person job getting that h-e-a-v-y
cast-iron intake out of the engine compartment!

Since then, I've added one of the new Mallory electronic ignition
distributors (about $200--Summit), which relieves me of worrying about
point and timing changes e-v-e-r! They do sell an aftermarket module
(don't know what brand, but a friend bought one at a Napa store) that fits
within your stock Ford distributor and converts it to electronic, but it's
almost as expensive and distributor bushings tend to get worn at 100K+
miles.

Now, I'm on a quest to let the engine get rid of the burnt stuff a bit
better...I've had dual exhausts for years as the Ford single exhaust on the
390s tended to cause a burnt valve situation...Can speak from my own
experience as I've had this truck 27 years now! Recently bought a set of
428CJ exhaust manifolds, which will not bolt directly to the stock 390
heads. However, those heads are pretty restrictive anyway, and I intend to
slap a set of 428 CJ heads onto my block. A direct bolt-on and they will
(many friends have done this) really perk up the performance to another
level. Those heads go for between $350 and $600 depending on how many
times they've been surfaced--one definitely doesn't want to raise the
compression level too much these days on the gas we get! FelPro makes
different thicknesses in head gaskets and a head that hasn't been surfaced
more than twice shouldn't bring the compression up past 10.25 at the most.
The stock truck 390 had 9.0 or 9.5, I believe.

One of these days I'll have the long block done, but it's not time yet it
still runs too tight. Anyway, that's been my quest for increased
performance and driveability. If anyone can set me straight or offer any
better suggestions, even sell me a set of those heads, I'll certainly
welcome hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Paul

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:46:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Dana 60 front in 1/2 ton

> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:20:48 -0800
> From: james oxley
> Subject: Dana 60 front in 1/2 ton

> the dana 60 front. Does anyone have any thoughts on using the whole
> 1/2 ton steering with 1 ton front axle? Will tie rods bolt up? What
> else do you think I will need? I'm not afraid of fabricating some
> parts.

I used the van parts down to the dana 44 tie rod and the tapered pins
were smaller on the van so I used an appropriate thickness of shim to
wrap around the pin so it would seat properly in the dana tie rod
hole.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:23:25 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: 1969 302 Engine Code

In a message dated 98-02-12 22:26:08 EST, you write:


>I need the engine code for the 69 model year for the 302 engine
>I'm in the final part of my web site and need the code for the date
>plate decoder
>Joe

302 code for '69 is G >>

According to the Red Book, G is correct for F Series and Bronco. Rancheros
and cars are F. Since this is a truck list, I'll bet you want the G!

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:36:27 -0800
From: "Abajo, Ed"
Subject: Heater Core Trouble

I have a 73 with factory A/C and I also need to replace a leaking heater
core -- I don't have access to the Helm manual -- could someone tell me
what
the manual says? I sure don't want to mess up the A/C and dump the freon
to do this. TIA.
Ed Abajo

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:38:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: Thank You!

Howdy!

I wanted to thank everyone for helping me with the oil tubes for
the rocker arm assembly that I was looking for. My 292 now sounds and
runs great. I especially want to thank Fred for sending me the tubes
through the mail and Neil for taking the time to help me out, as well as
everyone else that gave me such great advise. I did not expect that much
of a response for the problem that I was having. Thank You! Needless to
say these two listservs have a lot of great people that are willing to
help out in the drop of a dime!

Once again thanks and have a great weekend.

p.s. I also found out that not only did the machine shop loose the tube,
but they put the rocker assembly on upside down! I will never take them
another engine again because not only did they screw up then, but they put
the heads on backward, install the wrong freeze plugs, and improperly
installed the camshaft. Thank God that I took the truck to a good shop
that did an awesom job fixing and catching the majority of the machine
shop's screw ups!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
w: 409-845-4623, h: 409-775-0737, fax: 845-6259
Personal Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX 77841-2214
e-mail: cardoso ee.tamu.edu, url: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso



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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:18:33 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: OLD TRUCKS

Just to reinforce another correct post, the F1R1 means its a '51 with a
flathead V8. The other post said 239 inch V8, which is correct, but in later
years there were also overhead 239s. This one should be a flathead. The
following post from Azie is correct that the VIN format changed in Sept '51,
but various sources say Sept 1, Sept 4 and September 15. Model years were the
same as Calendar years back then, so '52 production didn't start till 1952,
and would be F1R2. If you can get to the data plate on the inside of the
glovebox (if its still there), the production code will tell you exactly what
date it was produced. But it is a '51 from the number you gave.

In a message dated 98-02-13 09:53:49 EST, you write:


>than all the gold in FORT KNOX. I found a truck not sure of the year. I
>think its between 1948 to 1952 F1 could anyone tell me what year FORD
>put a FLATHEAD V8 in this truck ? I would like to know what year this
>truck is ? I am trying to fine the owner of it , but would like to know
>a little about it before i talk to him . I have the serial number from
>the firewall if this helps its (F1R1MP13101)

It is most likely a 1952 as the "F1" designation on the first 2 digits of
the VIN were not used prior to September 1, 1951, according to the Red Book.
>>

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:16:53 GMT
From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)
Subject: Re: 1969 302 Engine Code

On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:14:23 -0500, you wrote:

>I need the engine code for the 69 model year for the 302 engine
>I'm in the final part of my web site and need the code for the date
>plate decoder
>Joe

The lil' Red Book sez code for 302 V-8 is"G".
Rob

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:29:19 -0800
From: Carey Rekedal
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #91

To Dan Koster....

Hey Dan,

Thanks for the advice - I'll look into it. By the way, my old 390 is a
rebuilt already. Does this make any difference? I think its a '71
390. Will it be too bored out? It has a WHOLE LOT of miles on it.

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:48:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #91

Carey,

about your rebuilt 390, it does make a difference. but one more bore
is still allowable. best way to check is to take it to a automotive
machinist and have them measure the bore. many shops still do that
for free. though, getting it cleaned and measured doesn't cost much
anyway.

that's the best way to tell. my '61 has never been bored.

Dan


- ---Carey Rekedal wrote:
>
> To Dan Koster....
>
> Hey Dan,
>
> Thanks for the advice - I'll look into it. By the way, my old 390
is a
> rebuilt already. Does this make any difference? I think its a '71
> 390. Will it be too bored out? It has a WHOLE LOT of miles on it.
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:18:31 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks & wives...

Well that does it!!!! My wife got interested in pickup trucks. A
while back my wife was out in her Pontiac sedan and got caught in a
gully washer of a storm. She came home and said, rather sternly,"When
we get a new car I want a truck!!!" Well, the time to get her a new
truck is here sooner than I wanted it to be. I had hoped to get into
summer.

So, I took her out to look at some trucks. She likes a customized '98
short bed Che*y with the extended cab..(kids) and big flared fenders all
around. Only it costs $27,900. (did you see that horse that just kicked
me in the head??) Ouucchhh!!!

Later in the evening she says,"You know those pickups that are short
with big fenders are cute." and the she says, "But, yours (my '65
Styleside longbed) is ugly!" (&*%$ that horse just kicked me again!)
OUUCCHH!! Now what do I do?!?!. Find a longbed with big fat fenders?

I think I will paint it purple and script her name in big letters across
the tailgate!!! Ha! Ha!

- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:31:55 -0600
From: mongo
Subject: Re: fordtrucks & wives...

Dennis K. Austin wrote:
>
> Well that does it!!!! My wife got interested in pickup trucks. A
> while back my wife was out in her Pontiac sedan and got caught in a
> gully washer of a storm. She came home and said, rather sternly,"When
> we get a new car I want a truck!!!" Well, the time to get her a new
> truck is here sooner than I wanted it to be. I had hoped to get into
> summer.
>
> So, I took her out to look at some trucks. She likes a customized '98
> short bed Che*y with the extended cab..(kids) and big flared fenders all
> around. Only it costs $27,900. (did you see that horse that just kicked
> me in the head??) Ouucchhh!!!
>
> Later in the evening she says,"You know those pickups that are short
> with big fenders are cute." and the she says, "But, yours (my '65
> Styleside longbed) is ugly!" (&*%$ that horse just kicked me again!)
> OUUCCHH!! Now what do I do?!?!. Find a longbed with big fat fenders?
>
> I think I will paint it purple and script her name in big letters across
> the tailgate!!! Ha! Ha!
>
> -=DENNIS=-
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hey dennis doesn't it suck when a woman says a chevy is cute? don't feel
bad my wife grew up with chevys and i'm tring to convert her but that
horse hits me every time lol hehehe good luck lolhahahah

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:55:42 -0800
From: "Jeff Towne"
Subject: misc. parts sources needed

been lurking for a while to get a feel for the list, and decided
it was finally time to dive on in.


My name is Jeff Towne, live in the Pacific Northwest, just north
of Seattle. I currently own a 65 F-250 Camper Special, the
ultimate hauler. I am also in the process of building a Cobra
replica, but that is for another mail list..

The truck is in generally good mechanical shape. Due to years
of inactivity it has several nagging problems. The most important
of which is that I need to rebuild/replace the front wheel brake
cylinders. It appears that Ford used a non-standard brake cylinder
on these trucks and I've been having trouble locating replacements.
Any parts source or acceptable interchange ideas would be appreciated.....

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