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In this issue:

RE: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special ["Abajo, Ed" ]
Re: Carbon and suffering. ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special [Don Grossman ]
Re: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special [Don Grossman ]
Re: VALVE CLATTER [JRFiero ]
Headers - A/C Compressor Brace Question. [Keith Srb ]
Re: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: 1977 351M [Tyler Wilkins ]
Fwd: Duraspark transplant [BULL229 ]
RE:F-100 Milestone [BULL229 ]
Re: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special [Tyler Wilkins ]
swapping in 390 [shoman p3.net]
looking for 390 4bbl manifold [shoman p3.net]
RE: torque converters [Sleddog ]
Re: C6 aftermarket shifters [GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)]
66 E-Line Pickup ["John Kosche" ]
Re: 1977 351M [Paul ]
RE: looking for 390 4bbl manifold [mcat epix.net]
RE:F-100 Milestone [marko ]
clutch [marko ]

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:10:46 -0800
From: "Abajo, Ed"
Subject: RE: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special

I'll get the truck on jack stands as soon as I can and look at what you
recommend --- how do you check the ball joints? What should I look for?

> ----------
> From: Sleddog[SMTP:kevkem epix.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 11:46 AM
> To: 'fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net'
> Subject: RE: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special
>
> My d*dge 4x4, with a straight front axle, four link, and track bar had
> a
> similiar problem. every time i hit the same bump on rt 80 in NJ the
> left
> tire would bounce for a cuoiple hundred feet before settling down. i
> thought i had a bad rancho 9000, but even on full stiffness, the same
> thing
> would happen. i usually was doing well over 65 though.
>
> after returning the truck for a recall on the front suspension, it
> never
> did it again. apparently the track bar was loose.
>
> so, i think that you have something loose. support the whole front
> off the
> ground when looking for loose parts on the front suspension. but
> remember
> that bump puts alot more force into the truck than you can by hand.
>
> with the tires on the ground have someone turn the steering wheel
> while you
> look at the steering linkages, especially noting if one side seems to
> turn
> earlier than the other side, like if one side is "tighter" than the
> other.
>
> check all the rubber bushings and ball joints (tire must be unloaded
> to
> check - please use jack stands, not just a jack.)
>
> if 4WD, very loose spring eye bushings can cause similiar problems i
> believe. loose shock mounts may conribute to this problem also.
>
> i hope this gives you some idea of where to look. i know my truck was
> a
> real shaker till i got it fixed. i hope you can find the problem
> soon.
>
> sleddog
>
> ----------
> From: Abajo, Ed[SMTP:EAbajo TacoBell.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 1:35 PM
> To: 'fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net'
> Subject: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special
>
> My truck has developed a strange problem that I hope someone can help
> me
> with.
> Sometimes, if I hit a bump with the left front wheel (and traveling at
> least 30mph) the wheel will start to bounce rapidly up and down until
> I
> brake and slow the truck down to below 20mph. Then everything
> returns
> to normal. This happens only infrequently and I can not make it occur
> on demand. I've examined the front end but nothing seems to be either
> loose or broken. I've replaced the front shocks (thinking that was
> the
> problem) but it still occurs. Any ideas? The wear on the tires is
> normal so I believe the alignment is ok. What should I check next?
> Ed Abajo
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:59:32 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Carbon and suffering.

> from what you say, it doesn't sound like it's a fuel problem, unless
there's
> sugar in your gas or something. Try using clean gas, some kid may have
> played a cruel joke on you. Barring that, I couldn't see gasoline
causing
> that kind of fouling that fast.

Sugar doesn't dissolve in gas. They're both hydrocarbons. Sugar will only
plug the fuel filter if it gets pulled into the fuel lines.
>
> My suspicion is it could be oil fouling the plugs, but that would be
> unlikely unless you have lotsa blue smoke. But then again, you just
rebuilt
> the motor, so how likely is that? Make sure your pcv system is working
> fine, check your oil level and condition (it doesn't go black right
away?).

Actually if the new rings haven't seated yet it could be oil fouling. Might
wanna try a hotter plug for awhile 'til the rings seat. Try one range
hotter and see if that helps the problem.

The other thing you might look at is the emissions system. Many engines
during the 70s and 80s were modified with extra vacuum passages and so
forth for emissions purposes. When emissions control components get removed
it can actually be detrimental to engine performance.

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 15:22:29 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special

Abajo, Ed wrote:
>
> My truck has developed a strange problem that I hope someone can help me
> with.
> Sometimes, if I hit a bump with the left front wheel (and traveling at
> least 30mph) the wheel will start to bounce rapidly up and down until I
> brake and slow the truck down to below 20mph. Then everything returns
> to normal. This happens only infrequently and I can not make it occur
> on demand. I've examined the front end but nothing seems to be either
> loose or broken. I've replaced the front shocks (thinking that was the
> problem) but it still occurs. Any ideas? The wear on the tires is
> normal so I believe the alignment is ok. What should I check next?
> Ed Abajo

Go over the tie-rod ends.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:30:59 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special

- ----------
> From: Abajo, Ed
> To: 'fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net'
> Subject: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special
> Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 10:35 AM
>
> My truck has developed a strange problem that I hope someone can help me
> with.
> Sometimes, if I hit a bump with the left front wheel (and traveling at
> least 30mph) the wheel will start to bounce rapidly up and down until I
> brake and slow the truck down to below 20mph. Then everything returns
> to normal. This happens only infrequently and I can not make it occur
> on demand. I've examined the front end but nothing seems to be either
> loose or broken. I've replaced the front shocks (thinking that was the
> problem) but it still occurs. Any ideas? The wear on the tires is
> normal so I believe the alignment is ok. What should I check next?
> Ed Abajo

I'm serious about the tires. When my J**p did the same thing I replaced the
shocks, tie rod ends, and steering stabilizer. Fortunately I had a donor
vehicle so I only had to buy the tie rod ends which it needed anyway. I
also checked the wheel bearings, brake drums & shoes, drag link, shackles,
springs, driveshafts, transfer case, motor mounts, etc, etc, etc. The only
thing that fixed it was different wheels & tires (also from the donor
vehicle). At least swap the tires side to side and see if the problem
follows the tire.

Good Luck.

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 15:37:20 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special

Abajo, Ed wrote:
>
> I pretty sure it is vertical motion -- the truck is a 2wd with 9.50x16.5
> tires on it. The left front tire seems to develop a flat spot on it
> when its been sitting for a while --- I feel/hear a thumping noise for
> the first couple of miles of driving until the tire smooths itself out.
> When I changed the shocks last weekend I did not see any evidence of a
> cracked frame, loose shackle mount bracket, loose steering box etc..

Thats just the bias-ply tires talking. After you get the front end
problem solved, get rid of those tires.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:11:50 EST
From: JRFiero
Subject: Re: VALVE CLATTER

In a message dated 98-01-05 22:11:42 EST, you write:


.002-.0022" PROBABLY WORK JUST AS WELL WITH A LOT LESS NOISE!
>>
Not necessarily true. I ran .028 and .032 in my '56 F100 Panel 375/396 BB
Ch*vy, and it wasn't all that noisy. From the valve train, anyway.

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:40:27 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Headers - A/C Compressor Brace Question.

Hi all,

I want to put headers on my 74 F250, 390 V-8. I noticed a brace that ran
from the exhaust manifold to the air conditioning compressor. Do I really
need this brace, or can I leave it off when I put the headers on?? It is a
square shaped compressor that I need to replace anyway.

Thanks!

Later



Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie/
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:40:09 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special

- ----------
> From: Don Grossman
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special
> Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 3:37 PM
> Thats just the bias-ply tires talking. After you get the front end
> problem solved, get rid of those tires.

If they're bias ply tires. If not it could be a separated be belt in the
radial which could cause the problem he's having. I've also seen separated
belts cause mild to severe pulls.

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:18:38 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: 1977 351M

> Gregg: I suggest you put the fan shroud back on as it forces air to be
> sucked through the radiator at idle. Ford put that fan shroud on for a
> reason. Also remember that the 351 is basically a punched out small block
> so there isn't alot of water jacket for that motor.

The 351Mod's are punched out Small blocks?
I thought the Mod's were a completely different family/design

Tyler Wilkins
Milwaukee, WI

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:55:54 EST
From: BULL229
Subject: Fwd: Duraspark transplant

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Changing an FE to Duraspark is an easy swap, best done with a factory wiring
harness. Its can be done in a few hours with little brainpower (good thing for
all of us)

I have done this 3 or 4 times, including my own truck, a 70 F-100 4wd
shortbed. The harness you need to make it easiest is a 76 360 truck, the
wiring harness is fromt he distributor to the box stays intact, you just need
to mount the ign box on the fender just like the 76's and plug it in, and the
coil harness will be in the proper place (use the 76 push on coil). That will
leave two remaining wires on the ign box, you will see, the two are a seperate
harness coming out of the box, just put 12v to these two wires, make sure the
12V you use is switched off when the key is off, then BOOM, you have spark!

One last point, the ign box MUST be grounded, be sure to clean the back with a
little sandpaper, and scrape a little paint off the fender where it mounts. I
have saved many a customer who thought they had a bad box, just by cleaning
the mounting to make a good ground. Good luck to all, and talk to you soon -
Ross

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:56:41 EST
From: BULL229
Subject: RE:F-100 Milestone

Just wanted to add a story of Ford longevity. My father drove a 68 F-100 4WD
shortbed up until 1984. This truck traveled ove 400,000 miles before it
succumbed to a fire in our garage. It had a 68 390 4V in it since 72,
replacing the anemic 360, and the motor had been rebuilt once after that.

Keep in mind this was no regular daily driver, it was a work truck for a heavy
equipment mechanic and plowed every Berkshire winter. He once used the truck
to pull a tractor-trailer from PA, only to get stopped by a trooper, telling
him it was WAY out of legality

Our belief was that this truck refused to die, and I am sure, even today it
would be running if not for a catastrophic fire that took the truck as well as
12 other cars, tools, and treasures. Thought you may like this story! - Ross

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:18:48 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: 1973 F-250 Ranger Camper Special

> > Sometimes, if I hit a bump with the left front wheel (and traveling at
> > least 30mph) the wheel will start to bounce rapidly up and down until I
> > brake and slow the truck down to below 20mph. Then everything returns
> > to normal. This happens only infrequently and I can not make it occur
> > on demand. I've examined the front end but nothing seems to be either
> > loose or broken. I've replaced the front shocks (thinking that was the
> > problem) but it still occurs. Any ideas? The wear on the tires is
> > normal so I believe the alignment is ok. What should I check next?
>

I had this problem with my '73, it was just from a worn front end, I
replaced the tie rods and linkage and it went away. Ok I admit at first
I just put on bigger, heavier tires which lessened the effects but then
i finally rebuilt the front end.

Also, I'm sure you've checked to make sure the tires are balanced,
right? Just making sure....


Tyler Wilkins
Milwaukee, WI

'79 F-100 351M, C-6
'74 F-100 360, C-6
'73 F-250 4x4 360, 4-speed
'94 Explorer 4-door

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:37:24 -0800
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: swapping in 390

Well With winter here in PA I'm getting itchy to do my transplant
of my 302 to a 390....I was wondering what i will need other then
motor mounts...Can I use the 302's motor mount towers(part attached
to the frame???Or can these be moved to accept the 390 or just
unbolt the ones from the donor truck????Will i need different
carb linkage???Anybody who has done this I would like to here
from...
- --
Joe 1968 F-100 4x4 302 NP435 "Its not pretty but its gets me there"
1969 F-250 4x4 390 NP435 "Undecided Future"

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:40:36 -0800
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: looking for 390 4bbl manifold

Looking for a factory 4 bbl 390 manifold...As told by the Pickup red book
in the middle of 1974 all 390's got 4 barrels so these manifolds
must be plentiful?????
- --
Joe 1968 F-100 4x4 302 NP435 "Its not pretty but its gets me there"
1969 F-250 4x4 390 NP435 "Undecided Future"

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:34:33 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: torque converters

you would benefit from a lower stall speed on a daily driver as follows:
better gas mileage, cooler tranny temps, better "drivability".

and, since you are going to a taller rear gear, you will effectively
increase the stall rating of the converter. so your 3000 stal may end up
more like a 3250 or 3500 stall.

stall speed depends on so many factors, such as tire dia, rear gear, torque
of engine, internal design of converter, converter dia, oil temperature,
tranny gear ratio, etc.

that same converter you have (asuming it is a 3000 stall) may be only a
2000 stall behind a healthy 302, or be 4500 behind a very strong 460 with
tall tires and gears.

behind a 460, the wide ratio gearset works very well, even with tall rear
gears.

converters are not cheap, but if you feel the engine is running fairly high
rpm when you pull out at a normal driving pace, then a lower stall will
help out, providing better mpg and drivability. and with the torque of a
460, the lower stall speed would most likely not be noticeable (as far as
acceleration) except on the hardest WOT take-offs. another good advantage
is that the less converter "slippage", the cooler the tranny oil stays and
that means much longer tranny life for the clutch packs and such.

sleddog

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From: SAR HOG[SMTP:SARHOG aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 4:26 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: torque converters

Can someone please explain the advantages/ disadvantages of a high
stall
speed torque converter? I have a C-6 coupled to a 460. The guy I bought
the
truck from said it has a 3000 rpm torque converter. What does this mean?
The
truck appears to be built towards drag racing, but I'm using it as a daily
driver first and foremost. The transmission kinda "clunks" sometimes when
it
shifts between 1st and 2nd so I'm thinkin it's gonna need some work soon.
If
I pull it, would I benefit from a lower speed torque converter? Can I put
a
wide-ratio gearset in it? I'm changing the rear end gear from 4.11 to 3.50
soon to try to get my rpm's down. It turns about 3700 rpm at 60 mph. I'm
guessing here cause the speedo shows 90 mph! Sorry for all the questions,
I
don't know much about transmissions. Thanks for the help.






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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:03:18, -0500
From: GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)
Subject: Re: C6 aftermarket shifters

I installed a Lokar Shifter on my '53 F100. I selected a 23" handle.
It was a cinch to install on my C6. I had a question about the
installation and called Lokar, my question was answered immediately.
It looks great and works fine. It has a positive lockout in Park and
Neutral, and is adjustable so that it can be moved forward on the
transmission. This allows some room to slide by when it's in Park. I
suspect it's more expensive than some, but it looks great and the 23"
handle is the perfect height for a truck.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V C6

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:30:15 +0000
From: "John Kosche"
Subject: 66 E-Line Pickup

I have a '66 Econoline pickup that is about to receive a power
transplant. I'm going to install a 351W - C4 and a 9" (3.0) rearend.
I think this will solve my (lack of) power problem, but I fear I may
have some trouble keeping this thing pointed in the direction I want
to go. I need to somehow upgrade the suspension to provide a little
more precise handling... Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks, John
John Kosche
Two '65 Rancheros
Both two-tone, 66H

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 21:37:45
From: Paul
Subject: Re: 1977 351M

My 390 would overheat at idle as well. After checking the same items as
you I wound up replacing the radiator(not my first choice). My stock Ford
temp gauge is a little flaky too though. The gauge would bounce around to
different spots but remain steady for a time as if there was an electrical
problem. I would suggest a way to verify what the stock temp gauge is
telling you if thats what your using. You may not have a problem at all.
The shop manual talks about testing a voltage regulator at the back of the
temp gauge which is next on the to do list on my truck. Hope this helps


At 08:53 AM 1/6/98 -0800, you wrote:
>My F150 has suddenly developed an overheating problem, and I am running
>out of ideas.
>Heres what Ive checked or changed-
>Fan/Fan Clutch
>Thermostat
>Temp Sending unit
>Gauge
>Coolant level/coolant loss (none)
>Waterpump
>Compression/coolant contaminates
>Hoses
>
>It seems to be real susceptible to idle. I installed an aluminum fan
>and clutch about 3 years ago, when I put a bigger radiator in it. I had
>to dump the fan shroud at this time also, so Ive been running w/o one
>since then with no problems. Any ideas out there?
>Thanks.
>Gregg

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 98 00:52:42 PST
From: mcat epix.net
Subject: RE: looking for 390 4bbl manifold

Do you want the cast iron one? I have one that I`ll let go cheap. Where
in PA. are you? I`m in western NY near Erie PA.
Garry
- --- On Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:40:36 -0800 shoman p3.net wrote:

>Looking for a factory 4 bbl 390 manifold...As told by the Pickup red book
>in the middle of 1974 all 390's got 4 barrels so these manifolds
>must be plentiful?????
>--
>Joe 1968 F-100 4x4 302 NP435 "Its not pretty but its gets me there"
> 1969 F-250 4x4 390 NP435 "Undecided Future"
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Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 1/7/98 Time: 12:52:42 AM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 01:13:28 -0800
From: marko
Subject: RE:F-100 Milestone

>12 other cars, tools, and treasures. Thought you may like this story! - Ross

Well the beginning was great, but what a tragedy!


marko in vancouver

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