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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, January 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 049



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In this issue:

Mike Schwall 300 6 cylinder [Stu Varner ]
Re: F100 CrewCab springs [Ken Payne ]
Re: 1969 f350 i-6 300 [Gary Spradley ]
Balancing drive shaft [am14 chrysler.com]
Non Ford content [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: F100 CrewCab springs ["Michael Redden" ]
Nodular 9" [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: MOPAR V10 [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: Varsol [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: Rear sump oil pan 390 [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: Just a couple of flames [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: FE conversion. long rods ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Gas as a cleaner ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
compression [am14 chrysler.com]
Non FOMOCO content [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: Varsol ["Deacon" ]
Re: Manual tranny for 351M ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: compression [John Pajak ]
Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck [perryfarrell juno.com]
Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck [marko helix.net (marko mar]
Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck [John Pajak
Re: Varsol [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: 1969 f350 i-6 300 [Jean and Phillip Johnson ]
Re Gas as a cleaner ["Hogan, Tom" ]
Re: Manual tranny for 351M ["John F. Bauer III" ]
Re: Rear sump oil pan 390 [John MacNamara ]
Springs [am14 chrysler.com]
Mineral spirits [am14 chrysler.com]
V10 in '70's vintage Ford Truck [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: Manual tranny for 351M ["Michael Connor" ]
Re: Factory 4WD for late 70s vans? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:48:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Mike Schwall 300 6 cylinder

Mike,
Please do not take this as a prelude to war, I am just registering
my opinion regarding the 300 inline 6 cylinder engine. I have owned a 90
F-150 that had an inline 6 300 engine and regretted buying it because I did
not feel it had enough smoke. I should have sprung for the 5.8 or some
other engine!
The 300 is an awesome little (ok, it is big for a 6 cyl.) motor. Very
dependable and provides great service. Let me ask you oh devoted one to the
inline 6 banger........EVER DRIVE AN FE V8? Again, Mike, Please this is
not a flame or a bash, simply my opinion. I am a lover of the FE variant
and a HATER of anything produced by Generic Motors! I really am on
yourside!

Nuke GM!
Stu

By the way, I know of some roundy round guys near here who have some really
hopped up inline 300 6 bangers they run that produce gobbs of torque kicking
everything it its way into the weeds!

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:03:21 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: F100 CrewCab springs

>
>Finally time for a question.
>What's your all's opinion on whether I should keep the
>stock spring set-up, or put something in there that
>is a little beefier?
>
>- Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab

Before you make a decision on this, email me privately
to remind me (kpayne mindspring.com) In a recent issue
of Classic Auto Restorers there's an article about
springs. They mention a company that has templates for
nearly every leaf spring ever made. This company can
probably make a match that's identical to the factory
parts. They did it with the rare car in the magazine
so I'm sure your truck won't be a problem. Sagging
springs certainly don't do a thing for value regardless
of whether they are original.

Remind me and I'll get the company name.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:52:00 -0600
From: Gary Spradley
Subject: Re: 1969 f350 i-6 300

>snip

Being the past owner of a 300 six, I have nothing but good to say about this
motor. Mine went 120,000 miles before I pulled it in favor of a Windsor.
That same six is still running today in a work truck and doesn't use a drop
of oil.

All it's power was made way down low. As for the upper rpm range, it
definately had its limits. Gearing down on the interstate during a climb
was frequent here in Alabama, but in a 5500lb truck with 33" tires and 3.08
gears what six wouldn't bog a little.

After my expensive conversion to the Windsor, I noticed all sorts of aftermarket
parts popping up for the I6. I believe Performance Automotive Warehouse out of
California sells a kit to boost horsepower to 115 over stock. No torque figures
were given with the kit.

It includes a Cam, Offenhouser Intake manifold but I'm not sure if the 390cfm
Holley came with it or not.
Hooker is making a header for the 300.
I can't imagine a 300 six with this kind of power. A little head work and it
just might eat my Windsor's lunch.

Can anyone give me the torque and horsepower figures on a stock 300 six?

Thanks
Gary Spradley

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:03:05 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Balancing drive shaft

You say:>>
3)The bearing installation instruction sheet (literally a 1 sq. inch
piece
of paper) says to rebalance the driveshaft. This seems excessive to me,
especially since I have taken care to mark the pieces of the driveshaft
and
where they attach to the transmission and the rear end so all of the
orientation is the same. Thoughts?

In my humble opinion this would be a waste of time. You've done your
homework - marked
everything - didn't change a darn thing relative to the balance, so why
waste your time. If you
feel a vibration after you get back on the road and feel that it is
your driveshaft, you can pull it
in 15 minutes or less -- right???!!!

Azie

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:10:48 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Non Ford content

Boy have I ever done that a bunch!!!!!!

>>With people like what we have on this list, it's dangerous to let a
head
get too big. Trust me on this. My foot's been in my mouth so many
times, I
buy shoes by flavor rather than style! :~[

Azie

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:21:22 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: F100 CrewCab springs

Classic/Custom Springs: they have "over 17,000 OEM blueprints"

Eaton Detroit Spring Co.

1-313-963-3839



Mike

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:23:49 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Nodular 9"

For all you older knowledgable FOMOCO gurus: Was the Nodular 9"
offered in any FOMOCO vehicle as standard????? What was the most
common offering as "optional"????

Azie


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:44:12 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: MOPAR V10

>At 11:50 AM 1/26/98 -0500, am14 chrysler.com wrote:
>>>>>>Dodges V-10 is a tuned down viper motor and there have been tuners
>>out there pumping out 700 plus horses with them!
>>
>>Vipers have aluminum heads. Dodge trucks are cast iron. Not quite the
>>same. Also use different cams - valves - exhaust and intake
>>manifolds.
>>Bolt patterns are the same.
>>
>
>Viper motor is tuned for high-RPM horsepower and the truck motor is tuned
>for low-RPM torque.
>
>700 HP is also available from turbocharged small I-4s at 9500 RPM but I
>wouldn't want to put it in a 1-ton ;>
>

The only Vipers I've ever seen are the ones on the windshields of Ford
trucks driven by old Ukrainians around Two Hills, Alberta. But it doesn't
rain much there, so they only get used once in awhile. My Viper motor works
on electricity and makes much less than 700 horsepower.

Stu Warner, vot do you tink?

(Just making sure this thread has its required Ford content!)


marko in vancouver
(formerly of rural Ukraine, I mean Alberta)

71 f250 4x4
67 merc m100

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:54:19 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Varsol

> I remember there is a solvent called Varsol which is used in
>parts washers. It is non-flammable. I am looking for a source to buy
>this stuff. Sure, gasoline is a great cleaner.....but I'd hate to have
>my new garage go up in flames! I do have a parts washer and I need to
>fill it. Where can I buy Varsol?
>
>===
>John Pajak JSPajak rocketmail.com
>Lexington Park, Maryland http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

Yep, you can buy it at Home Depot. When I was young I remember it coming in
jugs marked "Esso Varsol" so you may be able to pick it up at Exxon too,
especially like a bulk Exxon depot.


marko

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:56:25 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Rear sump oil pan 390

>John: Only application I'm sure of for rear sump oil pans for the FE
>series is the 4X4 360/390. Vans might also be rear sump, but I know
>for sure the 4X4's are. Any FE will fit. Remember to get the oilpump
>pickup tube and one of the center main bolts that helps to secure the
>pickup tube and also the dipstick tube and dipstick is located in this
>pan.
>
>>>Hello: I just receive an email from a gentleman looking for an oilpan
>with the sump in the rear for a 390 FE. Can someone tell me what this
>pan would have come off of. Also does anyone have a spare they don't
>want.>>
>
>Azie

Azie is absolutely right, my 71 360 4x4 has the rear sump with the dipstick
at about #3 cylinder on the driver's side bank. My mercury m100 2wd has the
dipstick at the front.

marko

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:02:37 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Just a couple of flames

Hey, guys, calm down.

If you really do think it's a hoax or whatever, then just ignore it. A
hoaxer wants attention and if you go off flaming then you are just playing
into his hands.

If, on the other hand, the truck is owned by some new driver (like, 16 y.o.)
who happens to like Jane's Addiction or is really named Perry Farrell, then
of COURSE he will ask some rather basic questions.

I'm sure you all have similar goofy things in your past, like the time I
blew up a $20,000 fairway mower by forgetting to add motor oil, or when I
covered my dad's '51 pontiac with dish soap to wash it and filled the garage
to the WINDOWS with suds, etc. Not to mention the number of times I took
things apart on his cars only to be unable to put them back together.

In short, if you can't say anything good, don't say anything. Unless you
know the guy.


marko

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:47:21 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FE conversion. long rods

> From: "Deacon"
> Subject: Re: FE conversion. long rods
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:22:03 -0800

> I read once on another list that the long rod left the piston at
> TDC for
> a longer amount of time. I have tried to understand this concept but
> for the life of me "That dog can't hunt". But the people I've heard

It's simple trig, Deacon. The angle of incidence is lower so the
piston moves less per degree at the top so stays there longer in the
sense that it moves away from TDC more slowly per degree. The longer
rod tends to make the stroke mathmaticlly smaller in relation,
closing up the triangle so from one peak to the other 180 degrees
apart the transition from horizontal to vertical becomes more linear
as the rod gets longer.

Try this, when you increase the rod length for a given stroke you
reduce the "Peak" piston speed during the cycle and also reduce the
movement of the piston near the apex or TDC because of the ratio
between the stroke and the rod length. If you draw a picture of this
and really exaggerate the difference I think you will see how it
works. Connect the small end at the bottom of the piston in one case
and the top in the other and the mechanical advantage you get in both
cases is obvious.

Picture a dump truck with cylinder connected directly and through a
cantilever. The cantilever will raise the bed much faster due to
it's relationship with the bed pivot and related goemetry.....Ok,
maybe that's not a good example.........

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:35:49 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Gas as a cleaner

> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:32:01 -0500
> From: Brian
> Subject: Re: Gas as a cleaner

> John...I don't know about "Varsol" but I filled my parts washer with
> the Mineral spirits washer fluid. Its about $21.00 for 5 gallons. My

Isn't mineral spirits almost as flamable as gas or turpentine?

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:51:38 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: compression

DUH!!!!! I didn't know that either!!!! I asways thought the
compression was lowered with the '72 bu larger combustion chambers -
not piston oin location. If this is true, then I've learned two
important things about FE's lately. 1st it was different rod lengths -
now piston pin height in the piston. DUH!!!!!

>> There's some exceptions out there, but most garden variety 390 heads
have the same combustion chamber volume whether from car or truck.
(68-72cc's)
Different compression ratios are mostly accomplished by piston deck
height.
65 (66?) and earlier heads may have the larger CJ sized ports and
slightly
smaller combustion chambers. 68 thru 76 heads all have similar ports
except for the "smog bump" in the exhaust.

Azie

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:02:11 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Non FOMOCO content

Maybe an Auburn graduate would do this!!!!!!!

>>If a person wants to know how to get their family out of their truck
when they lock their keys in it.

Azie

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:09:26 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Varsol

. > When I was young

When you were young? Hell marko, your not old enough to say when you were
young. You say a few years ago or something. You saying when you was young
makes me feel too damn old. Stop it!

As far as non-flammable eco-safe no fun cuz it can't blow up, I just use
Simple Green. If I'm feeling a little pyro I like kerosene. Cool to wash the
truck with. Removes bugs road tar what ever and looks like the truck's just
been waxed. Just a splash in a bucket of water. Very little danger. But I
like gas most. Have hose, I'm never out. Even if my truck is empty my next
door neighbor can't watch his car all the time. :) At $1.5 a gal it's the
cheapest cleaner there is. When people come over and see I'm using gas to
clean parts, they leave. Many good things I like about it. It may not be for
everyone but I like it. My middle name is danger! :) Plus I'm a renter.
worst thing that can happen is I move again. :) Yes I smoke. Yes I smoke
when I'm cleaning parts with gas. Yes I do it outside. Yes I have been on
fire big time. I like fire. Fire is my friend. No it's not the most
dangerous thing I do! I don't recommend it to people that may panic. I don't
panic. I was on fire when I was 7 years old and I panicked. Paid a painful
price for it. Now I put out the fire. I look at it this way, Using paper
twigs and dry wood I consider myself lucky if I get my fireplace going on my
first try. I would really need to mess up getting the house lit without
trying! :)


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:12:31 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M

> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:22:58 -0600
> From: Tyler Wilkins
> Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M

> > Ford makes one manual Tran that is a 5 speed out of late 80's
> > early 90's that will fit. Right now i can't recall the name. But
> > i believe it is out of a 5 speed straight 6. I'll look for you
> > and let you know.
>
> Thanx! Thats probably an overdrive tranny too then hey? That would
> be really cool. Off a straight six it will bolt right up? Or will I
> have to change the bell-housings? I have a bell-housing of an early
> 80's 351M 4-speed, maybe that'll work...... +-------------- Ford

The only 5 speed for the BB pattern I know of is the ZF which has an
aluminum housing and integral bell housing made only for the BB's.
There are two versions the 542 and 547 the latter being the stronger
one. Now I hear there is a new, heavier duty version in the new
fords which may be a better choice. They run around $1600 new.

For the small blocks the T-5 can be built pretty strong.

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:10:36 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak
Subject: Re: compression

Excerpt from some recent FE talk:
"Different compression ratios are mostly accomplished by piston deck
height."

Was that supposed to mean different dishes in the pistons to get the
different CRs? On most engines the deck height is consistent.....and
compression is determined by combustion chamber size in the heads
and/or dish size in the pistons.....

Just wondering


===
John Pajak JSPajak rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

75 F100

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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:10:24 -0500
From: perryfarrell juno.com
Subject: Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck

>>If it's a straight six, it is NOT a 302. Probably a 300. A 302 is a
V8
>>engine.
Yeah, I just realized the 302 is a V8. Someone said something somewhere
about a 306, but I haven't seen anything about a 306 anywhere.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:20:12 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck

>>>If it's a straight six, it is NOT a 302. Probably a 300. A 302 is a
>V8
>>>engine.
>Yeah, I just realized the 302 is a V8. Someone said something somewhere
>about a 306, but I haven't seen anything about a 306 anywhere.
>

Now, in the Queen's English, "three hundred six" is actually written 306 but
that's not exactly what you mean, you mean 300 c.i., six cylinder.

Unless you're talking about the 406 which isn't a 6 at all.


marko ;-)

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:13:15 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak
Subject: Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck

- ---perryfarrell JUNO.COM wrote:
Someone said something somewhere about a 306, but I haven't seen
anything about a 306 anywhere.

>They must have meant 300 six (cylinder), not three-hundred-six (306)
cubic inches! Your 300 probably has more torque than my overcammed 360
(not my fault, the previous owner installed the cam!). But ~soon~
(hopefully) my 360 will turn into a 390!

John Pajak




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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:23:38 -0800
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Varsol

>. > When I was young
>
>When you were young? Hell marko, your not old enough to say when you were
>young. You say a few years ago or something. You saying when you was young
>makes me feel too damn old. Stop it!
>
> As far as non-flammable eco-safe no fun cuz it can't blow up, I just use

Well, I could say, "when I was even younger than I am now". Bet that'd make
you feel better!!

My '67 merc m100 is eligible for antique plates (well, was until I took it
apart) and since I am of the same model year, I guess I am too!!

marko

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:13:38 -0600
From: Jean and Phillip Johnson
Subject: Re: 1969 f350 i-6 300

Gary Spradley wrote:
>
> >snip
>
> Being the past owner of a 300 six, I have nothing but good to say about this
> motor. Mine went 120,000 miles before I pulled it in favor of a Windsor.
> That same six is still running today in a work truck and doesn't use a drop
> of oil.
>
> All it's power was made way down low. As for the upper rpm range, it
> definately had its limits. Gearing down on the interstate during a climb
> was frequent here in Alabama, but in a 5500lb truck with 33" tires and 3.08
> gears what six wouldn't bog a little.
>
> After my expensive conversion to the Windsor, I noticed all sorts of aftermarket
> parts popping up for the I6. I believe Performance Automotive Warehouse out of
> California sells a kit to boost horsepower to 115 over stock. No torque figures
> were given with the kit.
>
> It includes a Cam, Offenhouser Intake manifold but I'm not sure if the 390cfm
> Holley came with it or not.
> Hooker is making a header for the 300.
> I can't imagine a 300 six with this kind of power. A little head work and it
> just might eat my Windsor's lunch.
>
> Can anyone give me the torque and horsepower figures on a stock 300 six?
>
> Thanks
> Gary Spradley
>
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Not sure of the exact numbers but it produces about the same torque as a
302 only at a lot lower rpm.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:25:12 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: Re Gas as a cleaner

To all who have a parts washer, two ideas.
1. I used to work at a machine shop and they had mineral spirits to use
as a solvent for certain jobs. Check with a local machine shop and they
may be willing to sell you a small quantity for you washer. Since they
may buy in bulk they may get it cheaper.

2. A friend of mine who had a parts washer told me about a "water trap"
idea he used. Basically he put 2 or 3 gallons of water in the parts
washer. Mineral spirits is lighter than water and floats on top of the
water. The parts washer would siphon the spirits from a point higher
that the water level so as not to pull any water through the washer.
The drain for the washer sink had a tube that carried the dirty solvent
all the way to the bottom of the tank (the washer sat on top of a drum
that acted as the tank/washer stand). The dirty solvent had to pass
through the water. The dirt was heavier than water and sank to the
bottom. The mineral spirits separated and floated to the top. This way
dirt is not being circulated continuously through the system.


Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)




>
John...I don't know about "Varsol" but I filled my parts washer with
the Mineral spirits washer fluid. Its about $21.00 for 5 gallons. My
parts washer is a 20 gallon, so I put in 5 gallons of this, then I used
2 gallons of regular Mineral spirits. (about $1.50 per gallon)
and it has cleaned eveything I've needed to clean.

Brian

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:31:12 -0500
From: "John F. Bauer III"
Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M

Anyone know a source for ZF new/remanufactured/etc. transmissions for Joe
Consumer like myself?

John

At 03:12 PM 1/28/98 +0000, you wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:22:58 -0600
>> From: Tyler Wilkins
>> Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M
>
>> > Ford makes one manual Tran that is a 5 speed out of late 80's
>> > early 90's that will fit. Right now i can't recall the name. But
>> > i believe it is out of a 5 speed straight 6. I'll look for you
>> > and let you know.
>>
>> Thanx! Thats probably an overdrive tranny too then hey? That would
>> be really cool. Off a straight six it will bolt right up? Or will I
>> have to change the bell-housings? I have a bell-housing of an early
>> 80's 351M 4-speed, maybe that'll work...... +-------------- Ford
>
>The only 5 speed for the BB pattern I know of is the ZF which has an
>aluminum housing and integral bell housing made only for the BB's.
>There are two versions the 542 and 547 the latter being the stronger
>one. Now I hear there is a new, heavier duty version in the new
>fords which may be a better choice. They run around $1600 new.
>
>For the small blocks the T-5 can be built pretty strong.
>
>Where's Murphy when
>you really need him??
>
>-- Gary --
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+
>| Send posts to fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net, |
>| List removal information is on the web site. |
>+---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:42:05 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Rear sump oil pan 390

am14 chrysler.com wrote:

> John: Only application I'm sure of for rear sump oil pans for the FE
> series is the 4X4 360/390. Vans might also be rear sump, but I know
> for sure the 4X4's are. Any FE will fit. Remember to get the oilpump
> pickup tube and one of the center main bolts that helps to secure the
> pickup tube and also the dipstick tube and dipstick is located in this
> pan.
>
>

Marko: Can you give me the part number off your pan just on the chance
there is one sitting in a dealership somewhere.

Thanks
JOhn

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:41:06 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Springs

Jeff: It's all up to the individuals requirements. Personally, I'd go
to the salvage yard - find a truck that had springs that looked like
they had never been loaded and maybe with an extra leaf or so, and make
sure they would fit my truck prior to purchasing them, amd rebush them
and install them on my truck. You might look at an F250 of the same
general year. their springs are always heavier duty than f100.

>>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:45:38 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Mineral spirits

Isn't mineral spirits as as gasoline?????????????

>>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:55:24 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: V10 in '70's vintage Ford Truck

DEACON ASKED; >>(can i put one in a '70's truck ford?)

You know better than to leave yourself open for this answer!!

Darn right you can!!! Got enough money and a "bluetipped" wrench, you
can make anything work.

Azie

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:12:38 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M

Tyler, Gary, and the group,

I have used the late model ZF 5speed manual overdrive
with the 400M engine. The ZF will bolt to any 351/400M
and the 460.
I did the swap in an attempt to drop my rpm's at highway speeds
and get a little better mileage since I have 4.10 gears in my truck.
Interestingly enough, my mileage STAYED THE SAME after the
swap. The overdrive dropped me about 700rpm at 60mph, from
around 2700rpm to 2000rpm. I thought that running lower rpm would save a
little gas, but not so. It seemed like the 400 labored a little more
trying to push the truck at that speed and rpm than before. It also
ran a couple degrees hotter at that speed. I theorized about many
things such as timing, etc. but was disappointed that my mileage
didn't change at all.
I now run a slightly warmed over 460 with a C6 automatic and 3.54 gears. I
wonder if
the ZF behind the 460 would have been a better bet. The 460 produces
gobs of low end grunt through that rpm range, and I would venture a guess
that it would be a better combination than the 351/400 with the ZF.

Side note - It was kinda fun doing 90mph on the interstate- first time that
truck had
ever been that fast.:-) Sure surprised a few people.:-) Some guy in a chevy
blew by me at about 75mph, so I blew by him at about 85 and kept going.:-)
It just so happened about 40 miles later, he pulled up to the same gas pump
I did. He came over and asked me about my truck. I finally 'fessed up that
I had an overdrive tranny. He laughed then and said it shocked him that an
older truck
went by his truck that fast.:-)

Bottom line - It is a do-able swap. Anything that runs a 351/400M or 460 is
a
candidate for the ZF 5speed manual overdrive. I have all the swap info
if anyone is interested.

Hope this helps,

Mike
Phoenix,
AZ.
( loving that big block power):-)





- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary, 78 BBB
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M


>> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:22:58 -0600
>> From: Tyler Wilkins
>> Subject: Re: Manual tranny for 351M
>
>> > Ford makes one manual Tran that is a 5 speed out of late 80's
>> > early 90's that will fit. Right now i can't recall the name. But
>> > i believe it is out of a 5 speed straight 6. I'll look for you
>> > and let you know.
>>
>> Thanx! Thats probably an overdrive tranny too then hey? That would
>> be really cool. Off a straight six it will bolt right up? Or will I
>> have to change the bell-housings? I have a bell-housing of an early
>> 80's 351M 4-speed, maybe that'll work...... +-------------- Ford
>
>The only 5 speed for the BB pattern I know of is the ZF which has an
>aluminum housing and integral bell housing made only for the BB's.
>There are two versions the 542 and 547 the latter being the stronger
>one. Now I hear there is a new, heavier duty version in the new
>fords which may be a better choice. They run around $1600 new.
>
>For the small blocks the T-5 can be built pretty strong.
>
>Where's Murphy when
>you really need him??
>
>-- Gary --
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961 thru 1979 --------------+
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