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fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, January 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 048



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In this issue:

Re: Torque Spec's on 289 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
blue oval and url request [jniolon uss.com]
Gas as a cleaner [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck. ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck. ["Gary, 78 BBB"
F100 CrewCab springs [Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)]
Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck. [Jean and Phillip Johnson ]
Re: Gas as a cleaner [John Pajak ]
Re: 300 6 cyl [Jean and Phillip Johnson ]
Re: FE conversion. long rods ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
'68 vs '74 390 [am14 chrysler.com]
Rear sump oil pan 390 [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck. ["Michael Redden"
Re: 1969 f350 i-6 300 [Jean and Phillip Johnson ]
Solvents [John Pajak ]
Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck. [Don Grossman
Re: FE conversion. long rods ["Deacon" ]
Re: Gas as a cleaner [Brian ]
alkyhol for Ethan [Stu Varner ]
Re: FE conversion. long rods [John Pajak ]
RE: offy port-o-sonic intake [Sleddog ]
RE: V10 [Sleddog ]
RE: long rods, offset piston pins [Sleddog ]

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:33:27 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Torque Spec's on 289

> From: JRFiero
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:26:00 EST
> Subject: Re: Torque Spec's on 289

> a footnote which says 1/2" bolts 95-105 ft. lbs., 3/8" bolts 35-45
> ft.lbs.
>
> Spark plugs 15-20
> Heads 70-75
> Intake 20-22
> Exhaust 13-18
> Valve Cover 3-5
> Con Rod 19-24
> Mains 60-70
> Flywheel to Crank 75-85
> Vibration Damper 70-90

My head says WHOA! The flywheel bolts can't be bigger than 1/2" on a
302 and on a 460 the torque is only 45# for these as I recall. The
302 uses 5/16" rod bolts so 24 could be right but seems a bit low to
me even for 5/16?? 5/16 manifold bolts are torqued around 20# as
well but sealing a manifold requires a different strategy than
holding rod caps on and rod bolts are made of a special material
which can withstand more torque. 3/8 bolts normally won't handle 45#
but that's what the 460 uses and that's the correct torque so who
knows.

All the others look about right. I'd get a second opinion before
using the ones I mentioned at least. Some times these manuals have a
typo that can be disasterous. Someone tell me what diameter the
threads on the flywheel bolts are pleasse so I can exonerate myself
here?

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: blue oval and url request

I Tried once before but I think my server ate my message.....

I'm looking for a copy of a bmp or pcx file of the shiny Ford blue
oval. The one with the chrome ring and lettes over a blue background.
I need it suitable for wallpaper or screen saver or at least
enlargeable. Anybody got one to share ???

Also, ( and I hate to ask this here, but you guys know EVERYTHING) I
need the address of a discussion group that can handle CHE*Y
problems...much like this one for Fords. Got a friend who needs some
help.

If you have an address and wish to remain annonymous to this
group...reply directly to me at jniolon uss.com

I guess knowing addresses of Chevy sites is kinda like having a sister
working in a house of ill repute... you'de just as soon not let it be
known to everybody you know, isn't it

thanks in advance

john

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:44:39 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Gas as a cleaner

>>I'm not advocating this BTW and I'm not
really arguing with you, I actually agree with your sentiments
and would like very much to have something available which is
safer to use, is easily available in small quantities, inexpensive
AND STILL DOES THE SAME JOB :-) I'm all ears now for the suggestions
which meet these criteria :-) Please note where I put the main
emphasis :-

Gary: I'm 61 years old and have been doing this all my life. My
father did it - his father did it. Common sense goes a long way when
doing things you know to be dangerous. I used to smoke, but quit in
'85 after 37 years of puffing myself to death. I usually take my can
of gas outside whild brushing the parts off, and I never never never
use it in a tightly enclosed structure with open flame heating, or
operating vehicles. This would be just setting yourself up for a
disaster.
I too, would like to be able to purchase a solvent that is completely
safe - affordable - and as effective as gasoline, so come on folks what
is it and where can I get it.

Azie


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:50:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck.

> From: "Deacon"
> Subject: Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck.
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:02:29 -0800

> >What do you take people on the list for? I believe you are just
> >here to
> pull
> >my leg with these question. I have always heared that " the only

Deacon wrote:

> It took me some time to learn not to "flame on" right off the
> bat (right
> Gary?:~]) because it don't take long before your wishing you never
> posted it.

So far I've seen 3 posts that shouldn't have been posted Deacon :-(
It's too bad some people feel they're better than others or assume
it's a hoax because someone REALLY doesn't know what he's talking
about.

Perry, don't let them get to you, we all had to learn some
time, even me........er.... I'm still learning and it's fun. The
rest of us want you on the list so don't run off. We'll try to
answer your questions.

Common engines in trucks were the 240 and 300 I6 so it's most likely
one of those. It's almost certain to have a one barrel in that
vintage and the differences are the holes in the carb which allow air
to flow to the intake. Unless you want to race the truck the one
barrel is the best choice for you.

Automatics can be a comfort on a truck since you don't burn up
clutches trying to back a trailer etc. and since you already have one
I'd stick with it even if it needs repairs or replacement. A stick
can get old real fast if you don't really have a need for it.

I don't think I would put speakers in the engine bay due to heat and
water problems. Even if you manage to seal it the heat will take a
toll and with the grills at your feet water and mud will constantly
be splashed up into the speakers and eventually damage them. I
though most systems used only one sub-woffer with cross overs? I'd
put it in the center under the seat or behind the seat if there's
room. I think in your truck those areas may be a little tight tho so
I'm not much help here :-)


Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:54:55 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck.

> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:28:57 -0500
> From: perryfarrell
> Subject: Just a couple of questions about my truck.

> only the grille sticks out. My question is this: since the master
> cylinder (and 2 hoses, by the way) is kind of in the way, I would
> like to relocate it, maybe to the side fender. Would this be okay to
> do? I mean, it wouldn't screw up the brakes or anything, would it?

Perry, some trucks apparently have divorced boosters and master
cylinders but I don't think yours does so you can't move the master
cylinder since it's linked to the brake pedal. There is very little
in the engine bay you can successfully move in fact so this speaker
idea isn't going to fly without a lot of forthought. Perhaps one
under the dash in the center where the original speaker would go
using crossovers to join the two channels into one at the sub level??

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:00:17 -0800
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: F100 CrewCab springs

Recent posts concerning re-arcing springs
versus getting used ones triggered this post.

I have a '64 F100 Crewcab. Custom ordered from
Ford. I have since learned from this list that Ford
never offered a F100 Crewcab, only F250 & F350's
starting in '65.

My dad had a 3 /4 ton (actual weight) custom made
6 foot overhang camper made for it (wish I still had it!).
Even with old style overload springs on there, the springs
are seriously flat, as in in a negative arc! The bushings
are shot allowing the vehicle to shift side-to-side while
going around corners. We tried radial tires years ago,
but it made the truck dangerous to drive.

Hauling stuff to the dump has revealed that the truck
weighs roughly 4800 lbs empty.

The door sticker shows that the GVW is 5000 lbs.
That doesn't leave much for payload.

Since this is a one-of-a-kind truck, I hesitate to change
what was originally included with the truck. OTOH it would
be nice to have a little payload capability. Being ignorant is
sometimes a good thing, as we didn't know it didn't have
any payload when we had the truck while I was growing up.
I don't intend to haul seriously heavy stuff.

Finally time for a question.
What's your all's opinion on whether I should keep the
stock spring set-up, or put something in there that
is a little beefier?

- - Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:58:52 -0600
From: Jean and Phillip Johnson
Subject: Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck.

perryfarrell wrote:
>
> I have a few questions concerning my '77 Ford F100 Custom. I am pretty
> sure the engine is a 302. It is a straight six, but I am not totally
> 100% sure that it is a 302. I have looked under the hood to find this
> information but it is not there. I haven't looked on the driver's side
> door, but is that where I could find out what my engine is? Anyways, now
> that I've started off with a stupid question, I have a little harder
> question. Does anyone know what size (I guess that's how one would
> describe it) the carburator (how many bbls) is for a '77 302? I'm pretty
> sure it's 1. What's the difference between 1, 2, 3, and 4 bbl carbs? If
> it is a 1, could I replace it with a 4? I also have a question regarding
> the transmission. Would it be possible for me to take the old automatic
> trans out and replace it with a new manual? I don't see why not, I'm
> just making sure. Also, I am in need of places to buy parts for my
> truck, so any online sites or places where I could get a catalog would
> be greatly appreciated. Finally, I have a question regarding the master
> cylinder. Since there is quite a bit of space in the engine compartment,
> I would like to put 2 subwoofers (one on each side) in the engine
> compartment and have them fire into the cabin. I would like to cut holes
> out on each side and seal the subs, so that only the grille sticks out.
> My question is this: since the master cylinder (and 2 hoses, by the way)
> is kind of in the way, I would like to relocate it, maybe to the side
> fender. Would this be okay to do? I mean, it wouldn't screw up the
> brakes or anything, would it? Thanks for any help.
> perryfarrell juno.com
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It's not a 302 as that is a V8. If it's a 300 six then it has a one
barrell Carter carb. There are four barrell manifolds available for the
300 six. Check J.C. Whitney, they have one for I believe around $130
dollars. They also have a small Holley carb listed for $390. You might
be able to beat these prices at your local parts house though. I'm not
sure about moving that master cylinder. There is a short rod that runs
directly from your brake pedal in the cab to the master cylinder. I'm
no expert on the subject but I'd place it in the "too hard to do"
category. Transmission swaps aren't too big of a thing. You may need a
different bell housing depending on the trans. you select and you will
need a different fly wheel and a clutch, plus a shifter modification to
make it work. What do you plan to do with the truck? IMHO I'd stick
with the automatic as it's generally better for towing and less of a
pain to drive around town.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:08:20 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak
Subject: Re: Gas as a cleaner

I remember there is a solvent called Varsol which is used in
parts washers. It is non-flammable. I am looking for a source to buy
this stuff. Sure, gasoline is a great cleaner.....but I'd hate to have
my new garage go up in flames! I do have a parts washer and I need to
fill it. Where can I buy Varsol?

===
John Pajak JSPajak rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

75 F100
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:03:32 -0600
From: Jean and Phillip Johnson
Subject: Re: 300 6 cyl

Michael Connor wrote:
>
> Gang,
>
> Just curious; what kind of mileage do you guts get running
> the 300 6cyl. in a full size truck?
>
> Mike
> Phoenix, AZ.
>
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I get between 13 and 15 in town. Never run it on the highway enough to
check it out.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:16:04 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FE conversion. long rods

> From: "Hogan, Tom"
> Subject: FE conversion
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:25:00 -0800

> There's been a lot of traffic about the venerable FE series of
> motors. Here's a question. Hot Rod magazine has been running
> articles about building long rod (not stroke) motors with high
> compression (about 11.0:1) claiming more power and the ability to
> run on 87 octane pump gas. So far they have featured a 350 of

I read something about that a while ago too. The longer rod
"theoretically" allows more torque for a given displacement and
stroke since the mechanical advantage is less in favor of the piston
resistance at 90 degrees due to shallower angle of incidence. It
also puts the forces closer to the piston crown reducing pressure on
the skirt for less wear and friction (theoretically) but I think
there was another reason they did it, can't remember now. Seems like
it has an effect on the piston speed which is the main advantage so
allows for higher revs. I think that was it.

As to compression, I can't see how this would have much impact on the
flow or combustion characteristics so wouldn't expect any miricles
here?? If you used certain stock compression height pistions it
could increas compression but wouldn't help the burn rate so don't
see any correlation with using low octane gas??

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:15:51 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: '68 vs '74 390

Joe: I'd take the '68 any day. Compression changes after the '71
model year due to the "Smog Patrol". "68's have good torque from
1800/2000 thru 4800/5000 rpm range. The '74 probably won't even turn
5000. Cam is better heads are better, and the pistons are probably
better. Use whichever of the blocks you find in better shape, or if
you plan to bore it anyway, use the block that is most worn in the
cylinders. All the major parts are interchangeable. Be sure to have
the block crank and heads checked for cracks prior to purchase
especially if it is disassembled. If it is complete, have some type
agrement that the heads/block/crank are rebuildable, or something of a
gentlemans agreement as to reliability of the parts.

>>Is there any differnce between 68 390 car heads and 74 390 truck
heads.
Or basically the whole motor...I can pick up a 68 390 block crank and
heads for $150 there from a 68 car...would they be good for a truck
motor(heads?)
joe

Azie

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:29:51 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Rear sump oil pan 390

John: Only application I'm sure of for rear sump oil pans for the FE
series is the 4X4 360/390. Vans might also be rear sump, but I know
for sure the 4X4's are. Any FE will fit. Remember to get the oilpump
pickup tube and one of the center main bolts that helps to secure the
pickup tube and also the dipstick tube and dipstick is located in this
pan.

>>Hello: I just receive an email from a gentleman looking for an oilpan
with the sump in the rear for a 390 FE. Can someone tell me what this
pan would have come off of. Also does anyone have a spare they don't
want.>>

Azie

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:42:08 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck.

Guys:

>someone REALLY doesn't know what he's talking
>about.

Hey that could be ME (most of the time). I'm not a vehicle mechanic. I've
been on different lists (including motorcycles) and people can be RUDE to
each other. Makes me not want to ask much.

I want to thank you guys for being understanding and answering the questions
of the inexperienced like myself. The most I've ever done to trucks is put
on starters, radiators, etc... Your collective knowledge is a real treasure
and your respect for each other and humor is what makes the list fun for
me, anyway.

Mike

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:32:01 -0600
From: Jean and Phillip Johnson
Subject: Re: 1969 f350 i-6 300

Bruce Hart wrote:
>
> I'm starting to round-up the info to do some work on my engine,300 cu/in
> six.Its original equipment with 70,000 miles on it and it runs
> great,however I would like to get more torque at lower rpm's.I've heard
> comments that 300's can be worked up to get some pretty good power.I use
> the truck just about exclusively for pulling my horse trailer and it
> does a good job but hills can get to it and with the tranny I have(t-18
> I think)dropping back to 3rd means dropping to 40 mi/per/hr.So to make a
> long story short I could use more torque at the lower end(2200-3600 rpm
> max).Anybody with experience or info on what might be some modifications
> availible for this engine I would like to hear from.Thanks Bruce
> Hart
>
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Your six produces almost as much torque as the 302 and does it at a much
lower RPM. As a matter of fact everyone I've talked to has seemed to
think the 300 six is great for low end torque and speaking from
experience I'd agree. Now high end, that's another story. Are you
having any other problems with your truck that might explain a lack of
low end power?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:01:48 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak
Subject: Solvents

Hey folks, I have an answer to the solvent question:

Varsol is a trademark for "odorless mineral spirits". You can buy it at
Home Depot in a one gallon can for about $5.00. However, if you don't
mind a slight kerosene odor, regular "mineral spirits" is the same
thing, only slightly less refined. IIRC, plain mineral spirits is about
$2.00 a gallon at Home Depot.
If you want, you can buy larger quantities of both, just look under
"Solvents" in the Yellow Pages.Hope this helps!
Patrick Flowers
Mailto:patri63 ibm.net

This came from the Olds Toronado mailing list......but hey, Oldsmobile
grime is just as nasty as Ford grime! I've used Varsol in the past and
it works great IMHO :)

===
John Pajak JSPajak rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

75 F100
and a buncha Oldsmobiles



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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:18:57 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Just a couple of questions about my truck.

Hey Kevin,

About that flaming to the list.

> "BULL"!

If PF is really just jerking us around then he will get what he
deserves, and if not leave him alone. Everyone has to start somewhere.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:22:03 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FE conversion. long rods

>> From: "Hogan, Tom"
>> Subject: FE conversion
>> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:25:00 -0800
>
>> There's been a lot of traffic about the venerable FE series of
>> motors. Here's a question. Hot Rod magazine has been running
>> articles about building long rod (not stroke) motors with high
>> compression (about 11.0:1) claiming more power and the ability to
>> run on 87 octane pump gas. So far they have featured a 350 of
>
>I read something about that a while ago too. The longer rod
>"theoretically" allows more torque for a given displacement and
>stroke since the mechanical advantage is less in favor of the piston
>resistance at 90 degrees due to shallower angle of incidence. It
>also puts the forces closer to the piston crown reducing pressure on
>the skirt for less wear and friction (theoretically) but I think
>there was another reason they did it, can't remember now. Seems like
>it has an effect on the piston speed which is the main advantage so
>allows for higher revs. I think that was it.
>
>As to compression, I can't see how this would have much impact on the
>flow or combustion characteristics so wouldn't expect any miricles
>here?? If you used certain stock compression height pistions it
>could increas compression but wouldn't help the burn rate so don't
>see any correlation with using low octane gas??
>
>Where's Murphy when
>you really need him??
>
>-- Gary --

I read once on another list that the long rod left the piston at TDC for
a longer amount of time. I have tried to understand this concept but for the
life of me "That dog can't hunt". But the people I've heard it from know
what their talking about. Does this make sense? I can see where it would be
beneficial allowing a longer time for expansion of the burning gases. I just
can't see how it would stay TDC any longer than a shorter rod.
BTW Gary, both my Haynes and Chilton concur with the flywheel bolt
torque. They don't give the bolt diameters so I can't help there.
Later!


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:32:01 -0500
From: Brian
Subject: Re: Gas as a cleaner

John Pajak wrote:
>
> I remember there is a solvent called Varsol which is used in
> parts washers. It is non-flammable. I am looking for a source to buy
> this stuff. Sure, gasoline is a great cleaner.....but I'd hate to have
> my new garage go up in flames! I do have a parts washer and I need to
> fill it. Where can I buy Varsol?
>
> ===
> John Pajak JSPajak rocketmail.com
> Lexington Park, Maryland http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
>
> 75 F100
>
John...I don't know about "Varsol" but I filled my parts washer with
the Mineral spirits washer fluid. Its about $21.00 for 5 gallons. My
parts washer is a 20 gallon, so I put in 5 gallons of this, then I used
2 gallons of regular Mineral spirits. (about $1.50 per gallon)
and it has cleaned eveything I've needed to clean.

Brian

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:40:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: alkyhol for Ethan

Ethan,
My experiences with alkyhol and motor fuels from working for *&^%$#
Petroleum Co. in their tank farms tells me never to use Isopropyl Alky in a
car......I can't tell you why. We always blended enthanol, the kind you
can drink had they not splashed a little gasoline in with it! It would kill
you. Then they have come up with some alternative fuels M85 which is a
blend of gasoline and methanol and requires some special setups in the
engine management system! Other than that, I would not try it unless you
like doing your own engine work! STU
NUKE GM!

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:46:51 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak
Subject: Re: FE conversion. long rods

- ---Deacon wrote:
I read once on another list that the long rod left the piston at TDC for
a longer amount of time. I have tried to understand this concept but
for the life of me "That dog can't hunt". But the people I've heard it
from know what their talking about. Does this make sense? I can see
where it would be beneficial allowing a longer time for expansion of
the burning gases. I just can't see how it would stay TDC any longer
than a shorter rod.

>>The piston won't stay at TDC for a longer time with the long rods
but it will stay NEARER TDC for a greater time with the longer rods.
Envision a really short rod. It will 'snap' the piston away from TDC
quickly as the crank rotates. Now visualize a really long rod. The
piston would move away from TDC more slowly because of less anguality.
Custom parts such as pistons with shorter pin to deck dimensions are
required to compensate for the longer rods.

>>Is any of this worth doing to any of the Ford engines? Don't know.
If it was you'd probably see it written up somewhere if someone tried
it and it worked out.

===
John Pajak JSPajak rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

75 F100 360/C6 390 conversion someday!

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:24:19 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: offy port-o-sonic intake

as some of my customers say, "it is woth what the market will bare."

new from summit catalog, they are $221.39
for proffessionally worked beyond what most street vehicles need from
engine systems, over $600.

if it is untouched by the grinder, it is worth more to someone who wants a
new one. if it has been hit by the grinder for something like
portmatching, it is worth more to the person looking for performance.
either way it is not worth more than the price of a new one.

swapping is the best way to "get what it's worth."

i would reccommend a weind stealth for you. it has good bottom end, and
from 3000 to 6500 will likely pull just as hard as the offy. closer to
stock is wanted, the dual plane from svo is good. it is similiar to what i
have on my 77 (blue thunder). on the 79 i have a weind stealth (ported).
i would stay away from the edelbroke stuff unless you want a really big
single plane-the only good intake they make IMHO.

maybe someone on the list would like to swap. at this point, i need my
dual planes still.

swap meets are a good place to go if you do not want to place adds. i have
found that the absolute best way to swap parts, or buy and sell is through
freinds, and their freinds, and so on. as long as you can trust them :)

sleddog



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From: SAR HOG[SMTP:SARHOG aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 7:14 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: offy port-o-sonic intake

Hey Sleddog, what is a stock port-o-sonic worth? Are they hard to
come
by? I have one that I'm not very happy with (it doesn't seem to like
anything
under about 3000 rpm). Anybody got a good dual plane they wanna trade? :)

John Z
67 F-100 460/C-6






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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:26:35 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: V10

ok, i love the mopar v10, but this ain't a mopar list :) so, has anyone
seen, driven, heard, or otherwise experienced the ford v10? i am curious
as to it's nature. (can i put one in a '70's truck ford?)

sleddog

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From: Kurt Albershardt[SMTP:kurt nv.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 2:28 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: MOPAR V10

At 11:50 AM 1/26/98 -0500, am14 chrysler.com wrote:
>>>>>Dodges V-10 is a tuned down viper motor and there have been tuners
>out there pumping out 700 plus horses with them!
>
>Vipers have aluminum heads. Dodge trucks are cast iron. Not quite the
>same. Also use different cams - valves - exhaust and intake
>manifolds.
>Bolt patterns are the same.
>

Viper motor is tuned for high-RPM horsepower and the truck motor is tuned
for low-RPM torque.

700 HP is also available from turbocharged small I-4s at 9500 RPM but I
wouldn't want to put it in a 1-ton ;>









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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:41:41 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: long rods, offset piston pins

the sits longer at BDC and TDC so some theories suggest that this will
effect the flow, especially at the time of valve overlap.

many pistons have an offset pistin pin. the effects of the longer rod can
be duplicated by putting the offset pin the other direction, if the valve
releifs are right. instead of the arrow pointing foward on the pistons, it
is reversed. in the end acting as if the engine has a longer rod pf about
the same distance as the pin is offset.

sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 4:16 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: FE conversion. long rods

> From: "Hogan, Tom"
> Subject: FE conversion
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:25:00 -0800

> There's been a lot of traffic about the venerable FE series of
> motors. Here's a question. Hot Rod magazine has been running
> articles about building long rod (not stroke) motors with high
> compression (about 11.0:1) claiming more power and the ability to
> run on 87 octane pump gas. So far they have featured a 350 of

I read something about that a while ago too. The longer rod
"theoretically" allows more torque for a given displacement and....

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