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fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, January 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 044



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In this issue:

Re: Rear Brakes Dana 60's ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Rear Bearings ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Rear Bearings [james oxley ]
351M/400 calibration specs [Adam Clever ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #34 ["Dennis K. Austin"
Hesitation, and thanks! ["MICHAEL THOMAS" ]
Re Brake light ["Hogan, Tom" ]
Re: 56 F-100 [Marv Miller ]
RE: 56 F-100 [Sleddog ]
Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #43 ["Harry Jennings"
Re: 460 ex manifolds [CandyDMan ]
Re: Brakes Part 3 ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: P/s things [OldTrux ]
New 5.0 Head ["Deacon" ]
ADMIN: MAJOR MILESTONE!! [Ken Payne ]
Re: 460 ex manifolds [Brian ]
Re: ADMIN: MAJOR MILESTONE!! ["Michael Connor" ]
Re: Rear Bearings [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: ADMIN: MAJOR MILESTONE!! [shoman p3.net]
Re: Hesitation, and thanks! [marko ]
Re: Power Steering Conversion [Don Grossman ]
Re: P/s things [Don Grossman ]
F350 4x4's ["Dave Walbeck" ]
Re: Hesitation, and thanks! [marko ]
Re: Hesitation, and thanks! ["Deacon" ]
Re: ADMIN: MAJOR MILESTONE!! ["Deacon" ]

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:17:34 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Rear Brakes Dana 60's

> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:12:08 -0800
> From: Don Grossman
> Subject: Re: Rear Brakes Dana 60's

> Does anyone have any information on the earlier dana 60's? I was
> thinking about adding the 3" drums to the back. It's not that I
> would not be open to swapping the entire rear end out but the later
> models are to wide.

There was a very good article in one of the 4x4 mags last year and it
mentioned that there were 4 types of dana 60 with the 35 spline being
the strongest and the 16 being the weakest. There were housing and
tubing concernes as well but I don't have it in front of me right
now.

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:42:38 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Rear Bearings

> From: danadeb pacbell.net
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:29:36 -0800
> Subject: Rear Bearings

> On a full floating rear hub ( Dana 60 in my case ) should the inside
> of the hub be packed with grease like I have always done in the
> front hubs?
>
> Should I pack grease into the front hubs for that matter?
>
> My shop manual only says pack the bearings, doesn't say anything
> about grease anywhere else.

Technically all a bearing needs is a thin film of moly lube to
protect it from metal to metal contact so all that needs packing is
the bearing. We usually leave some on the outside of the bearing
itself to add a little reserve but beyond that you just waste grease
and reduce the axle's heat sinking capacity since the grease is a
poor conductor of heat.

If you're talking about front 4x4 hubs the problem is one of not
locking up properly due to the grease interfering with the sprocket
or ring gear's movement since locking is spring loaded and there is
no way to force it to lock manually. This is IMHO the main reason
people blow up hubs. (not fully engaged)

I just redid mine and put a very thin film on all the moving parts in
the hub, packed the bearings leaving a fair amount on the outside of
each and reassembled it with new seals and the hubs work better than
any I've ever done, smooth and crisp with good detent feel at either
position. Since mine are disk brakes I used Moly Lube made for that
purpose and noted that they had 3 different kinds of wheel bearing
grease for differnt purposes. I simply buy the best moly disk brake
bearing grease and put it on all my bearings I pack regardless.
(course most are disk brakes)

BTW, when you clean the bearings, rotate them in the solvent with
your fingers to clean them and blow them out with air but hold the
cage so it can't spin. NEVER SPIN BEARINGS WITH AN AIR GUN! I just
used a coffee can with about a pint (maybe up to a quart) of gas in
it and kept the lid on it to reduce fumes in the garage since I was
using an oil furnace for heat and was very carefull not to spill it.
This amount of gas cleaned all my hub parts and 4 bearings as well as
most of the bearings and parts in the dana diff and other
miscellaneous parts as I re-assembled the dana.


Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:10:36 -0800
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: Rear Bearings

>Technically all a bearing needs is a thin film of moly lube to
>protect it from metal to metal contact so all that needs packing is
>the bearing.

I thought dana 60 rear (rear) bearings were lubed by the diff oil.
There is no seal to keep oil from going down to bearings. My bearings had
oil all over them and no grease when I got dana 60.

OX

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 08:30:00 -0800
From: Adam Clever
Subject: 351M/400 calibration specs

the hood sticker in my '79 bronco oh so conveniently has a hinge-sweep scar
right through the calibration number. All that's left is: "D ... (scar)
... GA." I want to figure out what is the exact appropriate EGR valve and
orifice diameter. The 'original' EGR did not have the information on the
valve. Any advice, any Ford bible/encyclopedias out there? I have the
distributor and original carburetor tag numbers, they are the same for the
first four characters: "D9TE," then go their own ways. Also, my vacuum
diagram is "AFF" version. I do not have a sticker on either rocker cover
and there is no indication on the door jamb.

anyone?

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:08:23 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #34

You didn't say what brand of gas you are buying. I remember the same
problem on a big 477 Ford using Exxon Gas. Shell or Texaco didn't cause
this to happen.

- -=DENNIS=-
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:49:41 -0700
> From: "Dave Resch"
> Subject: 351M Pinging & Dieseling
>
> Yo Dudes:
>
> Help! I need some advice.
>
> My low compression 351M (8.0:1 factory spec CR) now consistently demands 92

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:07:43 -0500
From: "MICHAEL THOMAS"
Subject: Hesitation, and thanks!

Hi to all-

I first want to thank all of those who have helped a young and dumb
one (such as myself). The Carbon and suffering problem has been
conqured. A new coil and a hooter heat range of spark plugs did the
trick. As a matter of fact, I beat all of the doubt given to me by
the Ch*vy boys work. They claimed that my trucks maiden voyage
this weekend would be a bust. Well, they were wrong. I put 346
miles in one and a half days on the fresh 400.

Now here's the new problem. The truck idles fine. It has
hesitation when given full throttle when under load (like 3rd gear
35 mph). It's a slight pop and low power of the motor. It sounds
like starvation of fuel and I have replaced the accelerator pump. I
wouldn't think idle mix. screw would be it.
Maybe power valve? Help! I'm so close!!



M. Dustin Thomas
mdthomas nc.edu
KB9OGG

'77 F150 Ranger 400 cubes
'91 G*C Sonoma 4-popper (the Gigantic Mistake)

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:14:30 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: Re Brake light

Daniel,
My $.02 worth. If the brake light is coming on I would definately pay
attention to it. Yes its purpose is to indicate a difference in
pressure between the front and rear braking systems. In some
cars/trucks it does come on to indicate the parking/emergency brake is
set but not on 73-79's (if I'm wrong on this tell me so I can fix it!!)

It could come on indicating a leak in the master cylinder, brake line or
wheel cylinder/piston. If the leak is in the MC it may not be visible.
In my truck when the MC went out the fluid leaked past the piston into
the vacuum booster!!. One thing to try would be to apply the brakes
with the engine running and hold them. Does the pedal slowly bleed down
to the floor? If so its leaking somewhere.

I don't see how heat or extended braking could cause the light to come
on unless one of the wheel cylinder/pistons starts leaking when it gets
hot.

Good luck and I hope you find the problem before you have to do a
"Flintstones" style stop!!


Tom H
San Francisco, California
76 F-150 SuperCab 390FE
96 Windstar 200 hp 3.8L (Wife's Hot Rod)



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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:07:12 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Brake light

Daniel: You got a brake problem and it isn't because you continuously
braked for 20 minutes. The light comes on when there is a pressure
differential between the front and rear systems, or when the emergency
brake pedal is pushed. I would say that you either have a leak at one
of the wheel cylinders/calipers or that the master cylinder is letting
fluid past one of the pistons. A complete check of your brake system
is necessary, as this is dangerous. A safety factor you can't ignore.
Usually (and I say this cautiously) when the light comes on, and will
later go back out, without any repair work being done, it is the master
cylinder allowing seepage by one of the pistons. If it is the piston
fartherest away from the cowl, it merely gets in the other pistons
passage way and is almost undetectable (no visible leakage). You could
have a pinhole in a line, but once the light goes on from one of these,
it usually stays on.
>>Of course, I was always told that the light comeson
when there is a difference in pressure between the two braking circuits.
All I know is that today I am going to pull my wheels and check the pads
and lines. But, does anybody have any idea why my truck is doing this?


Good luck.

Azie

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:05:05 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: Re: 56 F-100

Subject: Re: Found an awesome truck...

Daniel H. Jenkins wrote:
> I found a 1956 Ford pickup truck for sale. It has a non-stock (I > think) 429 V8. The truck also has, for all intensive
> purposes, no rust. :) The down side is that it isn't exactly put
> together.

Uhhhhhh, it isn't a BIG window, is it? Is the glass all there?

- --
- -Marv-
- ---
For when the One Great Scorer comes to mark against your name,
He writes - not that you won or lost - but how you played the game.
Grantland Rice
Alumnus Football - 1941

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:13:55 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 56 F-100

IS IT NEAR EASTERN PA??????

sleddog

- ----------
From: Marv Miller[SMTP:ae722 lafn.org]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 1998 5:05 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: 56 F-100

Subject: Re: Found an awesome truck...

Daniel H. Jenkins wrote:
> I found a 1956 Ford pickup truck for sale. It has a non-stock (I > think) 429 V8. The truck also has, for all intensive
> purposes, no rust. :) The down side is that it isn't exactly put
> together.

Uhhhhhh, it isn't a BIG window, is it? Is the glass all there?

- --
- -Marv-
- ---
For when the One Great Scorer comes to mark against your name,
He writes - not that you won or lost - but how you played the game.
Grantland Rice
Alumnus Football - 1941





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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:13:30 PST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #43

> MOPAR V10
[am14 chrysler.com]

>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:50:16 -0500
>From: am14 chrysler.com
>Subject: MOPAR V10
>
>>>>>Dodges V-10 is a tuned down viper motor and there have been tuners
>out
>there pumping out 700 plus horses with them!
>
>Vipers have aluminum heads. Dodge trucks are cast iron. Not quite the
>same. Also use different cams - valves - exhaust and intake
>manifolds.
>Bolt patterns are the same.
>
>Azie
>
Viper V-10s are ALL aluminum. The heads and intake are VERY different.
Not to mention the cam, pistons, etc. But, yes, the blocks come from the
same casting (just that the truck block is iron). And to make this OK on
a Ford site, anyone here anything about the new Ford V-10 lately?

Harry.

______________________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:06:34 EST
From: CandyDMan
Subject: Re: 460 ex manifolds

For bracketing on the 460s, check out Lincolns. I used the alternaor and
Powersteering brackets from a Continental for the 460 in my 70 F250 4x4. Of
course both brackets had to be used because the alternator bracket uses only
the inner pulley which does not line up with the fan-currently I'm using the
powersteering pump as an idler pulley for the fan(need to find the power
steering box). The other thing about the Continental powersteering bracket is
that is also part of the bracket for the A/C. I'm not using it yet, so I'm
not sure if it will work exactly, the steering shaft looks like it might be a
little close.

Dennis

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:23:15 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Brakes Part 3

Dana said;
>Good thing they never told and I never asked when they were mounted so when
they
>need replacement in a year or so they should be free??????

Good luck Dana! My experience with warranties has been really bad. They
are all prorated which means you only get credit for the miles left on your
tires under the warranty. They will use the full list price when figuring
this. My experience with batteries and tires has been that unless the item
is really new you are better off buying a new item on sale than using what
little warranty credit they will allow you. The warranty is a sales tool
to get you to buy the item and hopefully to come back and buy another one
later. IMO except for the protection provided against defects on new items
the warranty isn't worth the paper it's printed on. 100% replacement
warranties on items like mufflers are an entirely different matter and are a
good deal......make sure you keep the paperwork!

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:24:14 EST
From: OldTrux
Subject: Re: P/s things

In a message dated 98-01-26 11:42:34 EST, you write:

> I bought a box,and pump from a junk yard for $45.

I would be interested if you had the brackets to mount the pump to my 352 (390
is the same)

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:07:24 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: New 5.0 Head

Hi Gang!
A friend and I were talking the other day and he said he had read in a
magazine (I think he said MM&FF) that he just received in the mail, that has
a new 4 valve semi hemispherical bolt-on head for a 302. Has anyone seen
anything on this head? It was big bucks. He was saying the pushrod activated
a lever that operated the two corresponding valves. The flow increase was
around double that of the stock heads.
Later!


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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:17:09 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: MAJOR MILESTONE!!

Tonight at 8:55pm Ford Truck Enthusiasts hit a major milestone:
100,000 visitors!!! Thanks to everyone for making us a success!

Ken & Peggy Payne
Admins, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:10:02 -0500
From: Brian
Subject: Re: 460 ex manifolds

Well I found a motor at a boneyard laying on its side..both manifolds
still there. So I grabbed them, their in great shape. Ran them through
my bead blaster...little flat black high temp paint...
and there on the truck !!

Now for the scary part....they fit fine !!
no modifying of anything...except the pipe hook ups.

Some days are good !!!

Brian

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:14:55 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: MAJOR MILESTONE!!

Ken & Peggy,

Congratulations!

I for one appreciate your efforts, and I really enjoy the list.

Thanks for everything.:-)

Mike
Phoenix, AZ.


>Tonight at 8:55pm Ford Truck Enthusiasts hit a major milestone:
>100,000 visitors!!! Thanks to everyone for making us a success!
>
>Ken & Peggy Payne
>Admins, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:24:24 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Rear Bearings

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
> I just
> used a coffee can with about a pint (maybe up to a quart) of gas

NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER use
gas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wanted to burn some old documents in the fire place in my house. I did not
want to start a big roaring wood fire so I thought that if I put a little gas on
it then all of the paper would burn. I put about 4 tablespoons of gas on the
stack of papers then went for a match. I lit the match about 2 feet away from
the fireplace and when I was about 18 inches away from the fireplace
opening........ WOOOOOF....... the fumes ignited and a flash of flame was all I
saw. no harm done but I now have the proper respect for gas.

there are many much less volatile cleaners that do just as good a job.


> in
> it and kept the lid on it to reduce fumes in the garage since I was
> using an oil furnace for heat and was very carefull not to spill it.

Sorry There is no way to be careful enough!!!!!!!!

> This amount of gas cleaned all my hub parts and 4 bearings as well as
> most of the bearings and parts in the dana diff and other
> miscellaneous parts as I re-assembled the dana.
>


Dana

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:24:52 -0500
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: Re: ADMIN: MAJOR MILESTONE!!

Congrats...Both of you deserve a ROUND OF APPLAUSE!!!!!
Great Job on the sight...
Joe
68 F100
69 F250

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:35:24 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: Hesitation, and thanks!

At 03:07 PM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi to all-
>
>I first want to thank all of those who have helped a young and dumb
>one (such as myself). The Carbon and suffering problem has been
>conqured. A new coil and a hooter heat range of spark plugs did the
>trick. As a matter of fact, I beat all of the doubt given to me by
>the Ch*vy boys work. They claimed that my trucks maiden voyage
>this weekend would be a bust. Well, they were wrong. I put 346
>miles in one and a half days on the fresh 400.
>
>Now here's the new problem. The truck idles fine. It has
>hesitation when given full throttle when under load (like 3rd gear
>35 mph). It's a slight pop and low power of the motor. It sounds
>like starvation of fuel and I have replaced the accelerator pump. I
>wouldn't think idle mix. screw would be it.
>Maybe power valve? Help! I'm so close!!
>
>
>
>M. Dustin Thomas
>mdthomas nc.edu
>KB9OGG

I still think it's probly the power valve. The 'pop' is leanness usually.
It may be that your accelerator pump actuates TOO MUCH from idle to slightly
open, and has no more room to actuate from partly open to WOT. I don't
think it's the idle screw either.



marko

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:06:42 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Power Steering Conversion

BDIJXS wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> I see where you will be switching to a 77 front end. I have an almost new set
> (complete, about 1800 miles on them) of tie rods for the 77 F-150 4x4....are
> you interested? Includes pitman arm.

Is that the Y- stuff? I will go with the t-style linkage or aftermarket
adjustable.

> I have made the same P/S conversion myself, the only hassle (69 F100 4x4) is
> you need to cut a small hole in the back of the frame in order to mount the
> front bolt on (with a socket) the 77 power steering unit. You can drill
> through the frame for the other two, but you'll want to put at least a 1/4"
> plate on the back to stiffen up this area....

I am going to use the frame boxing pieces off the 77 as well and will
have to drill ALL the holes for everything :(

I have a stiffer set of coils but was thinking of lowering the spring
buckets 1-2", anyone been here or done that?

> I then put on one of the newer-
> style black steering wheels since the bus-sized one wasn't needed any
> more....it slipped right on to the old column.

Already have an old Grant on there now so when I get to the interior I
may upgrade just a little.

> The other thing I had to do was
> modify the shaft from the u-joint to the steering box to accept a new rag (or
> plastic) joint, I think the shaft had to be shortened. You might then have to
> adjust the steering stops so your tires don't rub on the front axle support
> arms....

That will be the ez part

> Good luck,
>
> Colorado Jeff

Thanks CJ
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:08:02 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: P/s things

OldTrux wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-01-26 11:42:34 EST, you write:
>
> > I bought a box,and pump from a junk yard for $45.
>
> I would be interested if you had the brackets to mount the pump to my 352 (390
> is the same)

Just make sure that they are the truck brackets.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:25:13 PST
From: "Dave Walbeck"
Subject: F350 4x4's

Hello again, Bill is correct. There were NO F350 4x4's Built until
1977 1/2-1978. I have every shop manual from 73-79 and there is no such
a thing. It's either a conversion, badging, or who knows what.
Dave Complete and Total FORDNUT & Highboy nut too!!!!

______________________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:59:33 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: Hesitation, and thanks!

Dustin, I was thinking one thing and wrote another. I DON'T think it's the
power valve, I think it's the accelerator pump. My typing mistake!


marko
>
>I still think it's probly the power valve.

NO, I meant "accelerator pump".


The 'pop' is leanness usually.
>It may be that your accelerator pump actuates TOO MUCH from idle to slightly
>open, and has no more room to actuate from partly open to WOT. I don't
>think it's the idle screw either.
>
>
>
>marko
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:02:36 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Hesitation, and thanks!

>Dustin, I was thinking one thing and wrote another. I DON'T think it's the
>power valve, I think it's the accelerator pump. My typing mistake!
>
>
>marko

I agree with you marko, but I have a question. The accelerator pump not
working would be the first thought. Lets say the accelerator pump was set
too high. Would too much fuel entering the intake. puddle and cause a lean
out situation?
Just a thought!
Later.


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