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fordtrucks61-79-digest Sunday, January 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 040



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In this issue:

Re: FE 352 to 390 [BADFORD4x4 aol.com]
ADMIN: Web site pictorial [Ken Payne ]
RE:Carb/Ignition problem [GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)]
9" rearend ? [ECampb5214 aol.com]
Re: High End Audio [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: Rear Brakes [Kurt Albershardt ]
RE: 460 vs 427 [reedg ns2.cetlink.net]
RE: 454 Ford [Sleddog ]
RE: 460 vs 427 [Sleddog ]
Re: FMX/C5 ?? ["Michael Connor" ]
Re: Highboys [Jim Henjum ]
Found an awesome truck... ["Daniel H. Jenkins"
Re: Highboys [Don Grossman ]
Re: Rear Brakes Dana 60's [Don Grossman ]
Re: High End Audio ["Michael Redden" ]
Re: Bucket Seats ["Michael Redden" ]
Late model 5 speed onto a 300. ["J. A. Knapper"
Re: Was Highboys Now 460 Conversions [Randy Collins ]
Re: Late model 5 speed onto a 300. ["Michael Connor"
Re: Highboys [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: 9" rearend ? [BADFORD4x4 ]
Re: Rear Brakes [BADFORD4x4 ]
Re: Highboys [Randy Collins ]
Re: Highboys [BADFORD4x4 ]
Re: 9" rearend ? [BADFORD4x4 aol.com]
Re: Found an awesome truck... [ECampb5214 ]
Re: Found an awesome truck... [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: FE 352 to 390 [marko ]
Re: 9" rearend ? [marko ]
Re: Found an awesome truck... [marko ]

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:33:34 EST
From: BADFORD4x4 aol.com
Subject: Re: FE 352 to 390

Yes your 352 block can be used for a 390, the only difference there is
between the to is the crank and the rods. The bore size is the same. If you
want a high compression motor redo your 352 heads because they have a smaller
combustion chamber. Also you can use your 352 pistons because they should be
Flat tops. This will also help with horsepower. Don't get me wrong I love my
390. But if i had to do it again I would have used parts off my 352 to make
one hell of a 390. I have used a 352 block to build a 390 and let me tell you
that you will never know the differnce in the two blocks because if you look
at both blocks you would see that they are both marked 352.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:47:52 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Web site pictorial

Web pictorial will not be updated this weekend. I'm very
busy gather information about the Pigeon Forge show for
the list members so updates will have to wait until next
week. This includes the 50th Anniversary wall-paper and
start-up screen.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:49:41, -0500
From: GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)
Subject: RE:Carb/Ignition problem

Sounds like you need manifold vacuum hooked to the distributor to
retard the spark. Does your dist have two connections? One of these
is for ported vacuum the other for manifold vacuum. By the way get
rid of the Holleys and get a Carter or Edelbrock you will never again
replace a power valve.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V
750 Carter

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:23:35 EST
From: ECampb5214 aol.com
Subject: 9" rearend ?

Hello all

Are there any identifing marks i can use to identify my (9?) rearend?

Thanks Ethan

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:51:59 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: High End Audio

I used to own a high end audio retail business. Autosound wasn't our
primary business, but we sold & installed some pretty wild stuff into
Ferraris, BMWs, etc. as well as some ridiculously expensive yachts.

There's alot you can do to improve an audio system without spending huge
amounts of money. Two of the most effective things are power supply and
vibration control.

Here's an exhaustive course on marine electrical systems, 90% of which
applies to trucks as well
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~wee/marine.seminar.html
Worth reading for anyone using lots of DC, whether it's for your
amplifiers, winch, lights, or motorhome.

As to Crutchfield, I'd use them as a last resort (although they do have
alot of stuff in the catalog) since you can usually get the same prices
locally and then you have a warm body nearby if something goes wrong.

If you're bargain hunting, remember that autosound equipment depreciates
just slightly slower than computer hardware, so last year's best may be
available for 30 cents on the dollar. Also keep in mind that amplifier
technology hasn't changed a whole lot in the last decade or more, so a good
amplifier from five years ago is still a good amplifier (assuming it hasn't
been blown up or abused.) CD technology, OTOH, is constantly changing, and
so a CD head (or anything with moving parts, for that matter) is a pretty
risky bet used. Speakers definitely have a limited life in a car, so again
be careful.

Harman International has a factory outlet right down the road (the factory
is about 50 miles away) that's definitely the hot tip for amps and
speakers. Harman is the parent company of JBL, Harman/Kardon, Infinity,
Pyle, Concorde, Becker, plus a few more I can't remember and they OEM for a
whole bunch of others as well. I've bought $600 amplifiers there for $120
brand new just because they were discontinued. They're at 805-981-3800 and
I think they've got a catalog of some sort.

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:20:25 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: Rear Brakes

At 09:45 PM 1/17/98 -0800, danadeb pacbell.net wrote:
>
>Who knew that there are two bearing
>sizes used on 1970ish, F250, Dana 60 rear ends!
>

Sounds like the 60 and the 60HD.

The standard Dana 60 has 30 spline 1.375" shafts
The 60HD has 35 spline 1.50" shafts

Both have 9-3/4" ring gears

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:01:53 +0000
From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
Subject: RE: 460 vs 427

> From: Sleddog
> To: "'fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net'"
> Subject: RE: 460 vs 427
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:48:42 -0500
> Reply-to: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net

> a stock 460 crank can hold some serious high rpm HP. it has bigger mains
> and rod journals than the bowtie crap. they do race the fords again.
> Floyd Cheek set a new IHRA record using the "boss" heads for an
> aditional $2000 a 460 can be converted to a "boss", read HEMI !
>
> raceparts distribution, inc
> 19500 zion st.
> po box 1203
> cornelius NC 28031
> 701-892-8688
>
> is the place to call for the really big 460 parts.
>
> ----------
I think the number is 704-892-8688

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:11:48 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 454 Ford

all the best built severe duty engines have individually shaft mounted
rockers. the shaft is better. but modern parts can make even high wieght
valvetrains survive high rpm use. and for stud mounted rockers, a stud
girdle "evens up" the difference of a shaft mounted type. an even bigger
difference is the heads' ports, and the canted valve design of the 385
series compared to the older single angles of the FE, and windsor motors.
notice that all the good modern aftermarket heads for SB bowties, and
windsors, are of the canted valve, or "twisted wedge" design.

sleddog

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From: JAMES MERLO[SMTP:JJKMER worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 1998 4:29 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: 454 Ford

It is my understanding that the FE's (having a rocker shaft assembly) have
greater valve train weight and that limits their ability to live at high
rpm - although the benefit of the rocker shaft is improved valve train
stability. Any comments?

Jim

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:17:12 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 460 vs 427

thank you, it is 704-892-8688. my mistake.

sleddog


> From: Sleddog
> To: "'fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net'"
> Subject: RE: 460 vs 427
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:48:42 -0500
> Reply-to: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net

> a stock 460 crank can hold some serious high rpm HP. it has bigger mains
> and rod journals than the bowtie crap. they do race the fords again.
> Floyd Cheek set a new IHRA record using the "boss" heads for an
> aditional $2000 a 460 can be converted to a "boss", read HEMI !
>
> raceparts distribution, inc
> 19500 zion st.
> po box 1203
> cornelius NC 28031
> 701-892-8688
>
> is the place to call for the really big 460 parts.
>
> ----------
I think the number is 704-892-8688

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:15:35 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FMX/C5 ??


- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary, 78 BBB
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: FMX/C5 ??


Gary and the group,

I can't speak about the straight 6, but I know you can put a
ZF 5 speed manual w/overdrive into a 77-79 Ford pickup.
I've done it. It works.

Mike
Phoenix, AZ.

>> Does this mean the 300-I6 has the same bolt pattern as a 351W? In
>> other words can I take a 5-spd from a late model 351-based F250 or
>> F350 and put it on an older straight six?
>
>They use the same bell housing pattern and dimensions but the
>flywheel, pilot bearing and other particulars would have to be worked
>out. The parts are out there you just need to mate them up.
>
>Where's Murphy when
>you really need him??
>
>-- Gary --
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:19:07 -0600
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: Highboys

So,
Does this mean that my '75 F250 4x4 with 5 springs (2 1/2 in. wide) in
the rear isn't a Highboy? Then what is it? Thanks!
P.S.- It has a 6500 GVWR.

Also,
I plan on putting a 460/ 4-spd./ married 205 into it. It currently has a
390/ C-6/ divorced 203. I'm rebuilding the 460 right now. The tranny and t.
case I would be getting from a local wrecker yard. I'm thinking the
crossmember under the tranny should fit from the truck with the tranny and
transfer case into my frame (same widths and all?). Also, I think I'd use
the driveshafts from a 3/4 ton truck with married 'case in my truck, maybe
with some custom lengthening if needed. Also I hope to add dual tanks (both
under frame) along with a '78 2wd body ( yes, I'll have to do some cutting
on the floor and drill holes in the box). There is going to be a lot to it
and was wondering if anyone out there had any info these swaps,
particularily about the tranny and transfer case stuff. I won't be doing
much swapping 'till next summer (just in time for my 16th birthday!!!)
Thanks again!

Ross Henjum
Pennock, MN

'75 F250 4x4 390, C-6, 203
'78 F150 302, C-4 (engine and tranny for sale)



Dave Walbeck wrote:

> Hi All. You'll have to excuse me but this is one of my all time PET
> PEEVES. Ford made the Highboy from 67-77 1/2. To even be considered a
> Highboy It must First be a 3/4 ton (F250 ,Ford didn't make a 4 wheel
> drive F350 until late 77 early 78). This part irks me to no end when I
> see an ad in the newspaper (hypothetical ad) 1976 Ford F150 Highboy blah
> blah blah. WRONG!!!!!!Just because your truck is tall does not make it
> a Highboy if it's an F100 or F150 and it's tall it's been lifted.
> Secondly it must have six leaf springs in the front pack & nine in the
> rear (Hello no coils). And the front hubs must me the HUGE 4 1/2" hubs
> (not the neck down ones that use the same
> dial as the half tons). There was however after market hubs for the big
> ones that neck down but only at the end ie; Warn etc.Well enough of my
> ranting and raving. (Flame suit on)
> Dave Complete and Total FORDNUT & Highboy Nut(I own 7 Highboys)
>
> ______________________________________________________
> >



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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:31:47 -0800 (PST)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: Found an awesome truck...

OK, I know that this may be a couple of years too early for this
group, but I wanted to get the opinions of some of the wiser and older
people here. I found a 1956 Ford pickup truck for sale. It has a
non-stock (I think) 429 V8. The truck also has, for all intensive
purposes, no rust. :) The down side is that it isn't exactly put
together. :( I have a good deal of technical ability and would like to
put it together. What do you guys think would be a good asking price for
this truck? Everything appears to be there, it just isn't put together.
Also, where would you guys store something like this? I can't store it at
the house. :( Sorry if this is off topic, but I appreciate any input you
guys have; you're usually right. Thanks.

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.eduwrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_...

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:06:13 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Highboys

Jim Henjum wrote:
>
> So,
> Does this mean that my '75 F250 4x4 with 5 springs (2 1/2 in. wide) in
> the rear isn't a Highboy? Then what is it? Thanks!
> P.S.- It has a 6500 GVWR.

Where did rear springs come into this? It's the front springs, Front
Springs!

> Also,
> I plan on putting a 460/ 4-spd./ married 205 into it. It currently has a
> 390/ C-6/ divorced 203. I'm rebuilding the 460 right now. The tranny and t.
> case I would be getting from a local wrecker yard.

You are full of cash ain't you ;-)

> I'm thinking the
> crossmember under the tranny should fit from the truck with the tranny and
> transfer case into my frame (same widths and all?).

You might be able to use your existing crossmember in the 75.

> Also, I think I'd use
> the driveshafts from a 3/4 ton truck with married 'case in my truck, maybe
> with some custom lengthening if needed.

As long as the wheel base is the same the the front axle is also a
reverse rotation, you shouldn't have much of a problem.

> Also I hope to add dual tanks (both
> under frame) along with a '78 2wd body ( yes, I'll have to do some cutting
> on the floor and drill holes in the box).

It would depend on the year. I think that the duel tanks were offered
in both years but the shape between the tanks might be different.

> There is going to be a lot to it
> and was wondering if anyone out there had any info these swaps,
> particularily about the tranny and transfer case stuff. I won't be doing
> much swapping 'till next summer (just in time for my 16th birthday!!!)
> Thanks again!

Much of the swap should be straight forward. the only real trick part
you will need will be the 460 mounts from L&M or is that L&L? And the
clutch pedals inside the cab. You are going from an auto in the 78 to a
manual so the pedal asemble will be required. You can grab these out of
any truck 73-79. the 67-72 might also work but why take a chance.

>
> Ross Henjum
> Pennock, MN
>
> '75 F250 4x4 390, C-6, 203
> '78 F150 302, C-4 (engine and tranny for sale)

Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:12:08 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Rear Brakes Dana 60's

Kurt Albershardt wrote:
>
> At 09:45 PM 1/17/98 -0800, danadeb pacbell.net wrote:
> >
> >Who knew that there are two bearing
> >sizes used on 1970ish, F250, Dana 60 rear ends!
> >
>
> Sounds like the 60 and the 60HD.
>
> The standard Dana 60 has 30 spline 1.375" shafts
> The 60HD has 35 spline 1.50" shafts
>
> Both have 9-3/4" ring gears

Does anyone have any information on the earlier dana 60's? I was
thinking about adding the 3" drums to the back. It's not that I would
not be open to swapping the entire rear end out but the later models are
to wide.

Thanks
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-100 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44, power
steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR!

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:02:54 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: High End Audio

Thanks for the common sense tips! Also, even the best amps and cleanest
tweets don't help much if they're firing from a door into your leg, or if
the system is EQ'd with the bass rattling the cab (although that seems to be
the norm!)

just my two cents!

Mike

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:08:26 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: Bucket Seats

Awhile back, someone mentioned Lincoln seats, now Bronco and Escort seats.
Any other thoughts on a junkyard replacement bench seat for a '71 F-250?

Thanks,

Mike

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:30:18 -0500
From: "J. A. Knapper"
Subject: Late model 5 speed onto a 300.

The bell housing is the same pattern, but the late model uses a hydralic
clutch. I wouldn't want to have to chop a hole in my truck to make the
clutch master fit. I have the master, line and slave cylinder part
numbers at work if you need them.

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:27:24 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: Re: Was Highboys Now 460 Conversions


I plan on putting a 460/ 4-spd./ married 205 into it. It currently has a
390/ C-6/ divorced 203. I'm rebuilding the 460 right now. The tranny and t.
case I would be getting from a local wrecker yard. I'm thinking the
crossmember under the tranny should fit from the truck with the tranny and
transfer case into my frame (same widths and all?). Also, I think I'd use
the driveshafts from a 3/4 ton truck with married 'case in my truck, maybe
with some custom lengthening if needed. Also I hope to add dual tanks (both
under frame) along with a '78 2wd body ( yes, I'll have to do some cutting
on the floor and drill holes in the box). There is going to be a lot to it
and was wondering if anyone out there had any info these swaps,
particularily about the tranny and transfer case stuff. I won't be doing
much swapping 'till next summer (just in time for my 16th birthday!!!)
Thanks again!

The transmission crossmember is the same piece for both the automatic and
manual transmission. The transmission crossmember that is in the highboy
will work just fine under the standard transmission. If you plan on using
the driveshafts from a latter model married transfer case truck make
certain that you use the transmission to transfer case adapter from the
same vehicle. there are 2 different lengths of these adapters and using
the wrong one would case you to have 2 driveshafts that won't work. I know
that there are 2 different lengths of adapters for the automatic version so
I assume that there are different lengths of the standard transmission
version. There are also different lengths of the transfer case shift
linkage. I think the stock driveshafts from the later model truck will fit
fine in your highboy.

I am not sure if the front tank from a 2 WD drive will fit in your highboy.
Aren't the frame rails closer together on the highboy? When I measured
the frame rails of the 77 1/2 to 79 F250 4WD and a 1975 2WD the 2WD was
5/16" narrower. I think you will find there is quite a difference in your
highboy...but I haven't measured them so I don't know how much.

Hope this helps.

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET
Short Block Completed...Stage II head work


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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:49:19 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: Late model 5 speed onto a 300.

Guys,

When I put the 5 speed into my 77F250, I used my original
clutch linkage. I didn't want the hassle of converting to the
hydraulic clutch, so I cut the mounting tab for the plunger off
the bellhousing portion of the trans and just ran my original
linkage. It seemed to work fine. I did have to lengthen the rod
going from the linkage to the clutch fork, but that was it.

FWIW,

Mike
Phoenix, AZ.


>The bell housing is the same pattern, but the late model uses a hydralic
>clutch. I wouldn't want to have to chop a hole in my truck to make the
>clutch master fit. I have the master, line and slave cylinder part
>numbers at work if you need them.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:08:05 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: Highboys

At 06:50 PM 1/23/98 PST, Dave Walbeck wrote:
>Hi All. You'll have to excuse me but this is one of my all time PET
>PEEVES. Ford made the Highboy from 67-77 1/2. To even be considered a
>Highboy It must First be a 3/4 ton (F250 ,Ford didn't make a 4 wheel
>drive F350 until late 77 early 78). This part irks me to no end when I
>see an ad in the newspaper (hypothetical ad) 1976 Ford F150 Highboy blah
>blah blah. WRONG!!!!!!Just because your truck is tall does not make it
>a Highboy if it's an F100 or F150 and it's tall it's been lifted.
>Secondly it must have six leaf springs in the front pack & nine in the
>rear (Hello no coils). And the front hubs must me the HUGE 4 1/2" hubs
>(not the neck down ones that use the same
>dial as the half tons). There was however after market hubs for the big
>ones that neck down but only at the end ie; Warn etc.Well enough of my
>ranting and raving. (Flame suit on)

So were there any SuperCab Highboys? Seems like the F250 4x4 SuperCab
appeared in '77 or '78 depending on who you ask.

Actually, what applications have the reverse cut front pumpkin? Is there
any sure way to tell, outside of looking at the truck?


Thx...

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:09:20 EST
From: BADFORD4x4
Subject: Re: 9" rearend ?

A 9 inch rearend bolts and unbolts from the front of the axle housing. 9
inch's only came in 1/2 ton trucks. The only other rearend offered in a 1/2
ton truck was the 1/2 ton dana 60-2. The two are very differant. The 60-2
was only offered from 68-72, so anything else would be a 9 inch. Incase your
wondering, the front is a dana 44, unless you have a 1 ton then its a dana
70.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:11:39 EST
From: BADFORD4x4
Subject: Re: Rear Brakes

the 30 splines are only in the dana 60-2. Its is a half ton axle housing.
SEMI-FLOATING. Also in the mid 70's ford had a change in bearing for the 9
inch.

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:26:21 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: Re: Highboys


So were there any SuperCab Highboys? Seems like the F250 4x4 SuperCab
appeared in '77 or '78 depending on who you ask.


Yup '78 as I understand it, at least I've never seen a '77. There were no
Supercab highboys. 77 1/2 was the year when the change to the F250 4WD
took place. The last highboy rolled off the line in early 1977. Some of
the changes were different frame, steering box, lowered ride height, and
married transfer box.

With out the F150 or F250 ID tags it is difficult to distinguish the 1/2
ton from the 3/4 ton 78 to 79 Super cab. Both trucks have leaf springs and
the same type of steering box. The way I tell them apart is the lug bolts.
F150's have 5 lugs and F250's have 8 lugs.

My truck is a hybrid. It will be licensed as a 1975 Supercab but it has
the 78 to 79 style 3/4 ton front end under it. BTY it has been lifted so I
guess that makes it a "wanna be" highboy.

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET
Short Block Completed...Stage II head work

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:31:06 EST
From: BADFORD4x4
Subject: Re: Highboys

I totally agree with you on your highboy thoery. But Ford did to make a F350
4x4 before 77. My father has one sitting in his driveway. It is a 72.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:32:35 EST
From: BADFORD4x4 aol.com
Subject: Re: 9" rearend ?

sorry that is a type'o the front might be a dana 60 not a 70

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:22:22 EST
From: ECampb5214
Subject: Re: Found an awesome truck...

Dan

I aint old (16) but heres my 2 cents.
There are many statistics that can play a factor when buying an automobile,
even the shear age of the person can play a factor.
If its a in mint condition I would ask 2000 give or take.
If its in rodding shape start round 3500
Check the engine out first it may look good but cracks can be smaller then a
hair.
When you go to negotiate be Firm, you might be better off doing it offer the
phone, (so you can counsult with someone else). Or if you do it in person
bring your local mechanic especially if hes got a car 2, they can help you out
a lot. If you start high they well jump on you. If you start low you and
they dont except, you might collapse, then they well take major advantage of
you.

Anyway Good luck
Ethan

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:46:37 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Found an awesome truck...

Daniel H. Jenkins wrote:
>

> Also, where would you guys store something like this? I can't store it at
> the house.
>


If you have to pay for storage add up how long it will be there and the total
cost for that storage. As I found out when I was young and stupid if you keep it
in storage long enough you could have tossed it all and saved the money and
bought a running completely restored truck!!

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:53:46 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: FE 352 to 390

Hate to disagree a little, but...


>Yes your 352 block can be used for a 390, the only difference there is
>between the to is the crank and the rods.

The 352 is a 4.00" bore and the 390 is a 4.05" bore. But you can bore your
352 block 50 over and have a stock 390. The same block is used. The crank
is different, and the rods are different. The rods in the 352 are longer by
about .010.

>The bore size is the same.

>want a high compression motor redo your 352 heads because they have a smaller
>combustion chamber.

True. The 59 352 heads have a slightly smaller combustion chamber. About
valves, etc. apparently (according to my book) "the first performance head
appeared on the 360-horsepower 352HP. This head used taller intake ports
and forged intake valves. Intake valve seat angles were ground to 30 deg.
on all HP engines, instead of the normal 45 deg." The valves are the same
size, though. If your engine is not a HP, then listen to this: "the first
heads used on the 332 and 352 engines had machined combustion chanbers with
a 69-72cc combustion chamber volume. Valves were 2.02" intake and 1.55"
exhaust. [btw this casting number is EDC or EDC-E]. After only 90 days of
production these heads were replaced with heads having as cast 70.4-73.4cc
combustion chambers. This eliminated the expensive machining
process.....[the casting number for this head for 58-59 352 is 5752142].
[The 1960 352 head casting number is C0AE 6090 C]

Also you can use your 352 pistons because they should be
>Flat tops. This will also help with horsepower.

You can't use your pistons from the 352, even tho they are flattops. Reason
is that 352 pistons have full skirts, not slipper skirts. The full-skirt
352 piston will contact the crank counterweight at bdc causing, well you get
the picture. Also, if you're building a 390 the 352 pistons will be 0.050"
too small in diameter. The wrist pin bore is about 0.05" lower on the
piston on the 352, resulting in the piston being that much closer to the
valves at tdc. Since deck clearance is less than that on a 390 you may get
a pop-up situation.


Don't get me wrong I love my
>390. But if i had to do it again I would have used parts off my 352 to make
>one hell of a 390. I have used a 352 block to build a 390 and let me tell you
>that you will never know the differnce in the two blocks because if you look
>at both blocks you would see that they are both marked 352.

This is true. Even 410 and some 428 blocks are marked 352. You can only
tell the difference between the blocks is by checking the bore.

Post the casting numbers of your heads (between #2 and #3 spark plug on the
head), intake manifold, and block. I'll look them up.


marko in vancouver

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:56:42 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: 9" rearend ?

At 06:23 PM 1/24/98 EST, you wrote:
>Hello all
>
>Are there any identifing marks i can use to identify my (9?) rearend?
>
>Thanks Ethan


You mean, is it a 9" or not? Couldn't tell ya really, I just know one when
I see one. Look at the pumpkin from the back, it shud be round, with a
dimple where the plug goes in. The diff comes out the front, there is no
cover plate on the rear. The yoke comes out of the diff at the bottom, and
there's a crosshatch pattern cast into the front cover. If there's an N
cast into the cover it's cast of high nodular iron, which is good and quite
strong. Look for a tag, I guess.


marko

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:04:08 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: Found an awesome truck...

At 05:31 PM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>OK, I know that this may be a couple of years too early for this
>group, but I wanted to get the opinions of some of the wiser and older
>people here. I found a 1956 Ford pickup truck for sale. It has a
>non-stock (I think) 429 V8.

Yup, that'd be non-stock cause the 429 didn't come out till 68 or 69 I think
(sleddog?)

The truck also has, for all intensive
>purposes, no rust. :) The down side is that it isn't exactly put....


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