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In this issue:

Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #35 [John MacNamara ]
Re: Don't know what to call this thread [OldTrux aol.com]
Re: Performance, FE or 385? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
72 Bronco that leans. [BJGR47D prodigy.com (MR RYAN STACK)]
Brake light... ["Daniel H. Jenkins" ]
Re: Brake light... [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Brake light... ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 72 Bronco that leans. ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Speedometer Correction [Steve & Michele Hoyt ]
RE: 460 vs 427 [Sleddog ]
Re: Speedometer Correction ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
FE 352 to 390 [Antonio ]
RE: 460 vs 427 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: Performance, FE or 385? [Sleddog ]
Re: Highboys ["Bill Beyer" ]
RE: 460 vs 427 [Sleddog ]
Re: FMX/C5 ?? [Kurt Albershardt ]
Re: FMX/C5 ?? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Performance, FE or 385? [Gardner ]
Re: Dupont Imron & Dangerous Chemicals [Keith Srb ]
Re: 454 Ford ["JAMES MERLO" ]

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:54:09 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #35

BULL229 wrote:
>
> If anyone needs to buy a stroker, email me directly, I have a lot of
> experience with these, and between myself and a buddy of mine, we can supply
> you with all you need.
>
> As far as a 460 vs a stroker 454, the FE is far stronger, especially due to
> the cross bolted mains, but nothing runs like one, not even a 460

Thank you! IMHO I certainly have my doubts that you can build a 9000
rpm 460 cheaper than a 427 FE.

I have a 460 in my truck and it puts out more horsepower than the Dodge
V10 so I'm a 460 fan but for performance, I'll take the FE!!

No Flames please!!

Regards
JOhn
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:49:30 EST
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: Don't know what to call this thread

In a message dated 98-01-23 23:38:40 EST, you write:


steering, power brakes, and now ON BOARD AIR! >>

How did you get P/S on that 4x4? Is it a power assist cyl on the linkage or a
later year box swap? My '66 F100 4x4 (Dana 30) could use a little assist!

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:51:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Performance, FE or 385?

> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:54:09 -0800
> From: John MacNamara
> Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #35

> > As far as a 460 vs a stroker 454, the FE is far stronger,
> > especially due to the cross bolted mains, but nothing runs like
> > one, not even a 460

You can get 4 bolt mains in 460's too and you can even get 2.75"
mains in them from SVO with siamesed cylinders for up to 4.6" bores
etc.

> Thank you! IMHO I certainly have my doubts that you can build a
> 9000 rpm 460 cheaper than a 427 FE.

Got to agree with that one but will the 427 at the same price run
9000 rpm?

> I have a 460 in my truck and it puts out more horsepower than the
> Dodge V10 so I'm a 460 fan but for performance, I'll take the FE!!

What exactly is performance? and in who's eyes? Would you rather
make your vehicle go 60 mph at 2500 rpm or at 1500 rpm? Would you
rather get your torque where you normally run the vehicle or at some
less usefull rpm range? If I can make 400# torque at 1700 rpm and
still see 4500 with no problems I feel I have GREAT performance :-)

OTOH, if I'm pulling sleds I probably can't shift gears so a higher
rpm range might be desired. Does anybody shift gears when pulling
sleds?

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:06:01, -0500
From: BJGR47D prodigy.com (MR RYAN STACK)
Subject: 72 Bronco that leans.

I have a 72 Bronco that leans to the passenger side. The tires stick
out, but not evenly. The pass. front only sticks out an inch. The
drivers side front tire sticks out 3 inches.
I have a 3 1/2" lift and 31" tires. I was told the it had some thing
to do with the trac bar. I'm not sure if thats true or not. If any
body knows about this problem, i'm open to your suggestions.

I'd also like to here from anyone else that owns a 66-77 Bronco.

Thanks
Ryan

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:21:55 -0800 (PST)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: Brake light...

Well, this has happened twice now. Both times it hs followed my
spending about 20 minutes riding the brakes while going at low speeds. My
brake light has gone on. I make sure the brakes stop me, but it still
bugs me when this light comes on. :) My girlfriend was in the truck
tonight when this happened, and she thinks it has to do with the brakes
overheating. Makes since, as I did spend 20 minutes of continuous
downhill braking. Of course, I was always told that the light comeson
when there is a difference in pressure between the two braking circuits.
All I know is that today I am going to pull my wheels and check the pads
and lines. But, does anybody have any idea why my truck is doing this?
It kind of freaked my girlfriend out. :) AThanks.

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Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.eduwrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_...

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:46:50 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Brake light...

If the light goes out by itself then it might be as simple as the valve is not
centered completely. I could see If the front got real hot as compared to the
rear then there might be a small pressure difference.

Just my thoughts !!

Dana

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:22:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Brake light...

> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:21:55 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
> Subject: Brake light...

> minutes of continuous downhill braking. Of course, I was always
> told that the light comeson when there is a difference in pressure
> between the two braking circuits. All I know is that today I am
> going to pull my wheels and check the pads and lines. But, does
> anybody have any idea why my truck is doing this? It kind of freaked
> my girlfriend out. :) AThanks.

Do the brakes work? Do they work well? Don't sweat it. The
proportioning valve couldn't care less about heat, it only sees
pressure. The valve moves one way or the other based on a preset
differnetial ratio in the valve. The light comes on when it moves,
that's it :-)

One way to get the light back off is to hit the pedal hard a couple
of times at low speeds. The quick, extreme pressure tends to center
it again unless there really is something wrong with the system.

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:05:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 72 Bronco that leans.

> From: BJGR47D prodigy.com (MR RYAN STACK)
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:06:01, -0500
> Subject: 72 Bronco that leans.

> I have a 72 Bronco that leans to the passenger side. The tires
> stick out, but not evenly. The pass. front only sticks out an inch.
> The drivers side front tire sticks out 3 inches. I have a 3 1/2"
> lift and 31" tires. I was told the it had some thing to do with the
> trac bar. I'm not sure if thats true or not. If any body knows
> about this problem, i'm open to your suggestions.

The trac bar has nothing to do with ride attitude. It pivots at both
ends so cannot affect this. It could affect the location of the axle
which could offset the tires to the body/chasis and, in fact this is
common I think. I had to straighten mine to get the steering box
centered when traveling straight on the highway. (not completely
straight, it had an extra bend in it) This must be done in a press,
cold, do not heat tie rods, track bars or drag links.

Is this with your mother in law in the passenger seat? Just kidding
but constant use with an uneven load will "set" the springs unevenly
over many years. You may have a broken rear leaf or damaged front
perch or upper spring tower or the spring may just have taken a set.
The frame could be bent as well or, god forbid, rusted through so it
sags.

One other possibility is a binding shock and, in fact, I think this
might be the first place to look. A binder will move with the weight
of the vehicle working against it but when it comes to rest and is
rebounding from a bump the forces are less so can be overcome by
friction within a damaged or dry shock so it stays in an unatural
position or biases the position the spring would have it at etc..
You have to take one end of the shock loose to determine this by
manually compressing the shock to see if it binds.

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:45:12 -0800
From: Steve & Michele Hoyt
Subject: Speedometer Correction

O.K. I just changed out the differential in my truck, now how do I
determine which speedometer gear to install to correct for the lower
gear ratio?

Info:
Engine: 292
Tranny: FMX
Gears: 3.00
Tires: 235/75R15

Any help is appreciated.

Steve Hoyt
'62 F100 Unibody Longbed

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:06:12 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 460 vs 427

this is the last i'll say. the 460 is strong enough that it doesn't need
the cross bolted main. 2-bolt mains work into the 9000 rpm range. in the
end, the 460 doesn't need the exotic parts, or the high amount of cash
needed to build a powerful motor. 600 cube 385 series can be built for
less cash than a stroked 427 center oiler.

i am not putting down FE, i really like the 390, 410, 4428, 427. but for
an engine of comparable cost the FE can't do what the 460 can do. it is
not just cost, but finding parts that are good and can be used to build the
motor is easier to do if one builds a 460. i have looked into building a
427 for my dream of building an AC cobra. the price for a reconditioned
block alone almost killed me! for a smaller sum of money i found i could
build a windsor motor (with less CID) that would perform almost as good,
and a 460 that would outperform it easy!

oh, and one more thing, if cost is NO object at all, if you put the same
amount of money into both engines, like say $30,000 - $50,000, the 460 with
the semi hemi heads (and maybe the 800 cube aluminum block now available)
will suck an FE into its intake and spit it out the headers like a little
bug.

sleddog

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From: BULL229[SMTP:BULL229 aol.com]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 8:38 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #35

If anyone needs to buy a stroker, email me directly, I have a lot of
experience with these, and between myself and a buddy of mine, we can
supply
you with all you need.

As far as a 460 vs a stroker 454, the FE is far stronger, especially due to
the cross bolted mains, but nothing runs like one, not even a 460






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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:14:55 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Speedometer Correction

> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:45:12 -0800
> From: Steve & Michele Hoyt
> Subject: Speedometer Correction

> O.K. I just changed out the differential in my truck, now how do I
> determine which speedometer gear to install to correct for the lower
> gear ratio?

It's basically going to be the same ratio as the gears:

change from 3.55 to 3.00 = .845 ratio

if you have a 20 tooth gear for instance it's .845 X 20 = 17

MIne already has a 17 and I understand they don't come any smaller
but I haven't actually checked with ford on this yet. In my case I
changed from 29" tires to 33's and need to go smaller as well to a
15. Anyone ever see a 15 tooth for a NP205?

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:15:45 -0700
From: Antonio
Subject: FE 352 to 390

Hello Ford People,
I have a 59 352 4V Police Special motor in my 59 Ranchero. It is tired and
cranky.
Can this block be used to build a 390?
Thanks in advance,
Antonio.

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:30:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: 460 vs 427

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: RE: 460 vs 427
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:06:12 -0500

> oh, and one more thing, if cost is NO object at all, if you put the
> same amount of money into both engines, like say $30,000 - $50,000,
> the 460 with the semi hemi heads (and maybe the 800 cube aluminum
> block now available) will suck an FE into its intake and spit it out
> the headers like a little bug.

A co-worker here tells me a rat motor will eat any 460 you can build.
I keep telling him the only advantage rats have over fords is the
tandem intake tract and now you can get ford heads made that way
so.............Anyway he keeps saying they don't race them because of
poor block design which can't be overcome and I said it's just a
frame to hold all the REAL performance parts so has little to do with
potential performance (not precisely true but true enough in this
case)

Really the crank is the only real problem with high revs in the 460
as I see it and that can be remedied with a billet 2.75" main crank
then you basically have all the advantages of the FE block but with
more after market support and, as you say cheaper parts.

You guys better shut up about all this engine stuff, I'm just
starting to get some money saved up again..........:-)

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:37:04 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Performance, FE or 385?

- ----------
From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 1998 5:51 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Performance, FE or 385?

> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:54:09 -0800
> From: John MacNamara
> Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #35

> > As far as a 460 vs a stroker 454, the FE is far stronger,
> > especially due to the cross bolted mains, but nothing runs like
> > one, not even a 460

You can get 4 bolt mains in 460's too and you can even get 2.75"
mains in them from SVO with siamesed cylinders for up to 4.6" bores
etc.

yes, but they are not "cross bolted!" but there is a new aluminum block
for 800 cubes available now that uses the 385 series heads, crank, etc.

> Thank you! IMHO I certainly have my doubts that you can build a
> 9000 rpm 460 cheaper than a 427 FE.

Got to agree with that one but will the 427 at the same price run
9000 rpm?

that 9000 rpm (over 500 cubes) 460 uses doesn't use a forged or billet
crank - can you say "i just saved $4,000?"
the block is a 2 bolt main -not svo- block. can you say "i just saved
$2,000?"
can you say "i put my $6,000 of savings into the top end where the real
performance gains are found?"
how about - the 460 needs no oiling system work compared to an FE for high
rpm use. how about the early A1A 460 blocks cost less than a 427 block in
any condition. how about of all the choices of FE heads to use, the fully
asembled CJ alum. heads run under $2,000 complete, brand new, where can you
find a comparable breathing head for the FE like that? used the prices are
high, then you still need to buy all the componentry for the valvetrain.
and in the end, the best breathing heads ford ever made sit on topp of a
385 series, not an FE. even the tunnel ports, or SOHC FE engines can't
compare.

> I have a 460 in my truck and it puts out more horsepower than the
> Dodge V10 so I'm a 460 fan but for performance, I'll take the FE!!

well, that's not hard, the v-10 only has 300 HP. a half-ass build on an
decent 460 puts out over 400. but that same 460 won't have over 400 lbsft
TQ from 1500 rpm to 5500 rpm either. it is called "power under the curve"
and the v-10 has alot of it. (i have one parked alongside my fords, and on
the track it has already, with my girlfriend driving, outpulled dodges,
fords, and chevs, that have alot more power, a lot more rpm, and lower
gears.)

What exactly is performance? and in who's eyes? Would you rather
make your vehicle go 60 mph at 2500 rpm or at 1500 rpm? Would you
rather get your torque where you normally run the vehicle or at some
less usefull rpm range? If I can make 400# torque at 1700 rpm and
still see 4500 with no problems I feel I have GREAT performance :-)

OTOH, if I'm pulling sleds I probably can't shift gears so a higher
rpm range might be desired. Does anybody shift gears when pulling
sleds?

yes, it is done sometimes. the higher rpm range is because of the basic
concept of the engine. the more fuel you burn in a given time the more
power you are making. it's the idea that honda used in the early years to
beat the 2 stroke GP bikes with a 4 stroke. just spin the snot out of it!

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --






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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:39:57 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Highboys

Thanks for straightening us out Dave. I thought that the "High Boy" moniker
was only for F250s but I just wasn't sure. They sure are great looking
trucks.

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> From: Dave Walbeck
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Highboys
> Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 6:50 PM
>
> Hi All. You'll have to excuse me but this is one of my all time PET
> PEEVES. Ford made the Highboy from 67-77 1/2. To even be considered a
> Highboy It must First be a 3/4 ton (F250 ,Ford didn't make a 4 wheel
> drive F350 until late 77 early 78). This part irks me to no end when I
> see an ad in the newspaper (hypothetical ad) 1976 Ford F150 Highboy blah
> blah blah. WRONG!!!!!!Just because your truck is tall does not make it
> a Highboy if it's an F100 or F150 and it's tall it's been lifted.
> Secondly it must have six leaf springs in the front pack & nine in the
> rear (Hello no coils). And the front hubs must me the HUGE 4 1/2" hubs
> (not the neck down ones that use the same
> dial as the half tons). There was however after market hubs for the big
> ones that neck down but only at the end ie; Warn etc.Well enough of my
> ranting and raving. (Flame suit on)
> Dave Complete and Total FORDNUT & Highboy Nut(I own 7 Highboys)
>
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:48:42 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 460 vs 427

a stock 460 crank can hold some serious high rpm HP. it has bigger mains
and rod journals than the bowtie crap. they do race the fords again.
Floyd Cheek set a new IHRA record using the "boss" heads for an
aditional $2000 a 460 can be converted to a "boss", read HEMI !

raceparts distribution, inc
19500 zion st.
po box 1203
cornelius NC 28031
701-892-8688

is the place to call for the really big 460 parts.

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 1998 9:30 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: RE: 460 vs 427

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: RE: 460 vs 427
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:06:12 -0500

> oh, and one more thing, if cost is NO object at all, if you put the
> same amount of money into both engines, like say $30,000 - $50,000,
> the 460 with the semi hemi heads (and maybe the 800 cube aluminum
> block now available) will suck an FE into its intake and spit it out
> the headers like a little bug.

A co-worker here tells me a rat motor will eat any 460 you can build.
I keep telling him the only advantage rats have over fords is the
tandem intake tract and now you can get ford heads made that way
so.............Anyway he keeps saying they don't race them because of
poor block design which can't be overcome and I said it's just a
frame to hold all the REAL performance parts so has little to do with
potential performance (not precisely true but true enough in this
case)

i don't feel that the tandom intake tract is any kind of advantage at all.

Really the crank is the only real problem with high revs in the 460
as I see it and that can be remedied with a billet 2.75" main crank
then you basically have all the advantages of the FE block but with
more after market support and, as you say cheaper parts.

You guys better shut up about all this engine stuff, I'm just
starting to get some money saved up again..........:-)

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --






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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:15:27 -0800
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: FMX/C5 ??

At 11:50 AM 1/16/98 -0500, serian usa.net wrote:
>
>The C6 is the tough, heavy-duty trans. used on big V8's, some medium V8's,
and
>even the 302 (I have a C6 for a 302/351W in my garage if anyone is
interested ...
>this will bolt up to a I6-300, too ..)
>

Does this mean the 300-I6 has the same bolt pattern as a 351W? In other
words can I take a 5-spd from a late model 351-based F250 or F350 and put
it on an older straight six?


Thx..

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:25:12 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FMX/C5 ??

> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:15:27 -0800
> From: Kurt Albershardt
> Subject: Re: FMX/C5 ??

> Does this mean the 300-I6 has the same bolt pattern as a 351W? In
> other words can I take a 5-spd from a late model 351-based F250 or
> F350 and put it on an older straight six?

They use the same bell housing pattern and dimensions but the
flywheel, pilot bearing and other particulars would have to be worked
out. The parts are out there you just need to mate them up.

Where's Murphy when
you really need him??

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:06:19 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Performance, FE or 385?

Sleddog wrote:
>
> ----------
> From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 1998 5:51 AM
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Performance, FE or 385?
>
> > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:54:09 -0800
> > From: John MacNamara
> > Subject: Re: fordtrucks61-79-digest V2 #35
>
> > > As far as a 460 vs a stroker 454, the FE is far stronger,
> > > especially due to the cross bolted mains, but nothing runs like
> > > one, not even a 460
>
> You can get 4 bolt mains in 460's too and you can even get 2.75"
> mains in them from SVO with siamesed cylinders for up to 4.6" bores
> etc.
>
> yes, but they are not "cross bolted!" but there is a new aluminum block
> for 800 cubes available now that uses the 385 series heads, crank, etc.
>
> > Thank you! IMHO I certainly have my doubts that you can build a
> > 9000 rpm 460 cheaper than a 427 FE.
>
> Got to agree with that one but will the 427 at the same price run
> 9000 rpm?
>
> that 9000 rpm (over 500 cubes) 460 uses doesn't use a forged or billet
> crank - can you say "i just saved $4,000?"
> the block is a 2 bolt main -not svo- block. can you say "i just saved
> $2,000?"
> can you say "i put my $6,000 of savings into the top end where the real
> performance gains are found?"
> how about - the 460 needs no oiling system work compared to an FE for high
> rpm use. how about the early A1A 460 blocks cost less than a 427 block in
> any condition. how about of all the choices of FE heads to use, the fully
> asembled CJ alum. heads run under $2,000 complete, brand new, where can you
> find a comparable breathing head for the FE like that? used the prices are
> high, then you still need to buy all the componentry for the valvetrain.
> and in the end, the best breathing heads ford ever made sit on topp of a
> 385 series, not an FE. even the tunnel ports, or SOHC FE engines can't
> compare.
>
> > I have a 460 in my truck and it puts out more horsepower than the
> > Dodge V10 so I'm a 460 fan but for performance, I'll take the FE!!
>
> well, that's not hard, the v-10 only has 300 HP. a half-ass build on an
> decent 460 puts out over 400. but that same 460 won't have over 400 lbsft
> TQ from 1500 rpm to 5500 rpm either. it is called "power under the curve"
> and the v-10 has alot of it. (i have one parked alongside my fords, and on
> the track it has already, with my girlfriend driving, outpulled dodges,
> fords, and chevs, that have alot more power, a lot more rpm, and lower
> gears.)
>
> What exactly is performance? and in who's eyes? Would you rather
> make your vehicle go 60 mph at 2500 rpm or at 1500 rpm? Would you
> rather get your torque where you normally run the vehicle or at some
> less usefull rpm range? If I can make 400# torque at 1700 rpm and
> still see 4500 with no problems I feel I have GREAT performance :-)
>
> OTOH, if I'm pulling sleds I probably can't shift gears so a higher
> rpm range might be desired. Does anybody shift gears when pulling
> sleds?
>
> yes, it is done sometimes. the higher rpm range is because of the basic
> concept of the engine. the more fuel you burn in a given time the more
> power you are making. it's the idea that honda used in the early years to
> beat the 2 stroke GP bikes with a 4 stroke. just spin the snot out of it!
>
> Where's Murphy when
> you really need him??
>
> -- Gary --
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Dodges V-10 is a tuned down viper motor and there have been tuners out
there pumping out 700 plus horses with them!

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:51:57 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: Dupont Imron & Dangerous Chemicals

At 09:06 PM 1/23/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Panel repair is possible, difficult yes, but it is possible. You have to
>repaint the entire panel.
>
>I don't think you understood my post. The statement made above is kinda
>out of context. We were discussing urethanes that are used on airplanes.
> This statement was made about Imron. Yes Imron is used on airplane as are
>most all of the other automotive formulated paints.

Question, was Imron Formulated for the Automotive Industry and adopted by
the Aircraft Industry, or was it formulated for the Aircraft Industry and
adopted by the Automotive industry? I am asking because I really don't
know. The first time I ever heard about Imron was in reference to the
Aircraft Industry. And later I was told by someone that you could use it as
an Automotive Finish.

> I was talking about
>real high performance urethanes, not the ones typically sold buy auto paint
>stores.

I haven't been able to obtain Imron from any of the "Auto Paint Stores here
in Arizona". I have to go to a store that specializes more in Industrial
Coatings, and suppling tools to "Industrial Mechanics", I am not sure what
they mean by that either. If I want just a quart or a gallon, I have to
have it special ordered. They "normally" don't sell it in such small
quantifies.


> I assure you that the major manufactures don't buy the same paints
>that the auto paint stores sell you to repair the dinged fender on your
>station wagon.

Which major manufactures? Automotive, Aircraft or other industries ???

>
>If you repaint an entire panel...is that panel repair?

IMHO, Yes. You are returning the panel to the appearance it had before it
was damaged (Damaged is also a broad term). Sometimes, in the Automotive
Body Shops you have to repaint and entire panel to remove all of the damage
that was done to it, AKA, Scratches put in the paint from 4-wheeling to
close to a tree.

Panel repair is a broad term, for the purposes of this List I am talking
Automotive Panels. I made my original post about Imron being used on
Aircraft for this reason. "If this product can stand up well on an
aircraft, I think it should stand up very well in an Automotive
Application." That's all, nothing more, nothing less. Please excuse me for
leaving that portion of my statement so open.




>
>Flame suit and extinguisher ready...
>
>Later,
>
>Randy Collins
>Boise, Idaho
>rcollins micron.net
>
>1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
>460 SUPER COBRA JET
>Short Block Completed...Stage II head work
>
>
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Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
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1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:29:07 -0600
From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: Re: 454 Ford

It is my understanding that the FE's (having a rocker shaft assembly) have
greater valve train weight and that limits their ability to live at high
rpm - although the benefit of the rocker shaft is improved valve train
stability. Any comments?

Jim

- ----------
> From: John MacNamara
> To: fordtrucks61-79 listservice.net
> Subject: Re: 454 Ford
> Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 8:07 PM
>
> marko maryniak wrote:
> >
> > >yes, it make about 454 cubes and is one old rodders trick used to beat
the
> > bowties for many years!!
> > >
> > Hey Sleddog,
> >
> > How would one of these things run? How would it compare with, say, a
460?
> > Would it be reliable, and would the 428 crank bolt right in? What kind
of
> > cam would you use? How much power would it make?
> >
> > And could you keep tires on your car if you had one of them? ;-)....


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