fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, April 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 235



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In this issue:

Was Re: Fat engine wars????? NOW Deacon & Hot Start. ["Chris Samuel"
Re: Paint&Body ["Deacon" ]
ADMIN: New list server working [Ken Payne ]
Re: Paint&Body [Dennis Pearson ]
Little Pink Pills [ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)]
Q-jet adapter [ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)]
Oil [ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)]
Hot starts (sans Deacon) [sdelanty sonic.net]
FE teardown ["J.Scott Harkema" ]
Re: Paint&Body ["Deacon" ]

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:57:18 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: Was Re: Fat engine wars????? NOW Deacon & Hot Start.

From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Fat engine wars?????

SNIP
>>brain cells I'm going to build it completely from scratch...

>Will you have to put something up for sale first? :)))

Yes I will... I thought about SWMBO but she just gave me that look... You
know the one!
Thought about the Off-springers... But SWMBO again! cheese! What's she got
Radar?!!
Thought about the dog'z but then the rabid YuppyzChebyCamaroer owners might
get me...
So... Oh, I will have to think about this one!

>That hurt me!

I no mean to hurt Deacon, Deacon Insane, Opinionated, Creative Internet
Fiend, OOP's Friend, Me no hurt Deacon... sniff, sniff... I Sorry Deacon.

SNIP
>trick stuff but if I tell ya about it I has to kill ya! and I Kant
afford
>Bullets right now!

Lets see. A dual pointless distributor, (no point but it doesn't it
twice) dual splitfires per cylinder (quad sparkless) a turblower ( it
sucks the exhaust out to add power) and underover drive pulleys....
click, click, click.

Ahh-darn-it Deacon...
You Told!
Now I don't even need to build it cause you just told all the good stuff!
But... Hey I don't have to sell nuthing!!!!!!!

>Hey who do you think you are. A middle school
student? :)

In some of the bench race sessions that I have had the misfortune to take a
perambulation though, I have heard some seriously misinformed opinions
espoused as containing factual data content, coming close to being ISO 9001
Certified, and: Having recently perused a current issuance of an alleged
High Performance Monthly Publication and observed the Bovine Excrement
content contained there in.
I should, and therefore shall, take the middle school question as a
complement as to attain such an intellectual level; comparatively speaking;
is certainly too have achieved or to be approaching greatness, even if only
at this keyboard!-)

>And if you are even thinking about swapping to anything else you are
even
>dumber then me!

Cuz I'm special. I am! :)

Deacon
deconblu gte.net

Deacon, you are most "defiantly" special, and I shall go farther Original!

Peace Bro.
Muel

FTC:

>Dan Lee:
>Although it could be that the aluminum manifold (Edelbrock)
>conducts too much heat to the carb (Carter). I will be glad to here
>any other opinions on this problem.

I'd suspect electrical components and Heat.
While it is possible that your Carb is "Percolating".
Most of the time Carters don't do this if the Carb is not damaged and the
Float Level is set correctly.
Check the Carb by getting the truck into the hot condition, shut the engine
off, then OUTSIDE, pull off the top of the Air cleaner and look down into
the Carb. If you see gas dripping into the Carb plan on a rebuild and
replace the floats just for drill.
Supposedly you can float the Floats in a pan to see if they sink, I have
tried testing this way a bunch of times... now if I suspect I just replace
them, then I know they are good.





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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:12:40 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Paint&Body

From: Dennis Pearson
>It should be hooked up to a compressor with very little pressure if
what
>you say is true.

You know, your pretty funny for a teacher! :)

>1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
>1970 Marquis 429
>1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
>1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)

Hey, that's our tax money your buying all these toys with! Four
classics, and teachers say their not paid well. If you'd sell A's like
Stu, you could fill that empty space in the '62 (uncouth Chevy
terminology) stepside.


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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:31:06 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: New list server working

New list server is now working. I'll be testing it until Friday
and the lists will be switched over this weekend. Full uns*bscribe,
s*bscribe and posting instructions will get send out to list
members at that time.

The current server seems to be working properly again. For how
long, who knows? Although we have 2.5 more weeks paid for with
the old service they're getting dumped ASAP.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:56:19 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: Paint&Body

Thanks for your message at 08:12 PM 4/28/98 -0700, Deacon. Your message was:
>You know, your pretty funny for a teacher! :)

Well, my students think so, but the administration ain't usually laughing.
Something about the Counterculture...(
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ctc.edu/~dpearson/popcult.html )but I think you've already been
there. I've been wanting to add a page on automotive counterculture and I
visited your page..."C'mere cat, I'm gonna make you a star..."(Bill
Parsons/Bobby Bare) My first link.
>
>>1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
>>1970 Marquis 429
>>1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
>>1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
>
>Hey, that's our tax money your buying all these toys with! Four
>classics, and teachers say their not paid well. If you'd sell A's like
>Stu, you could fill that empty space in the '62 (uncouth Chevy
>terminology) OOOPS! stepside.

Hey, I wish we could get some of that big CA tax money here in WA.
Actually, I get my vehicles by hook or crook (careful, don't say too much)
through my neighbor Levi. I just scored another 62 Unibody, pretty much a
shell, but for $20.
OK, it was from a student...Come to think of it, so was the Mustang...
The Marquis is really "donor" car (was gonna be 62 pickup, now is gonna be
Mustang).

>>1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
>>1970 Marquis 429
>>1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
>>1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)



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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:58:21 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
Subject: Little Pink Pills

>the duke of diphthongs. No way! Lissen sleddog clued me in on how to defeat
>the anti kiddie caps on my prozac (I'm still pickin' up little pink pills!)
>want one?

I hope you brought enough for everyone, young man!


Ballinger
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:18:24 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
Subject: Q-jet adapter

>BTW, are you using an adapter on a square bore intake or a stock FE
>rochester intake or did you find an aftermarket version for the FE?

It's a Mr. Gasket square to spread-bore adapter on an Edelbrock Performer
390 intake. I used the same carb and adapter on my '68 289 'Stang that I
sold a while back. The only thing that I had to change was the air-valve
tension. I'm thinking about putting a vacuam break on it, because when you
get it light enough to open right under moderate pressure, it will spit when
you slam it down. If you push it down gradually (but still quick) it will
suck it up greedily and pull until you get out of it. My pistons are a
little on the loose side, so it shoots up to 5500 pretty quick. I don't want
to push it that hard a lot, but it does it and seems to like it. I wish that
the yahoo that put it together had thought of asking for a little less
piston clearance. Must have been building it like a circle-track motor.


Ballinger
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:57:21 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
Subject: Oil

I have read a few posts on oil, and would like a little more info if anyone
is so inclined.

Every engine that I've had in the past has done well on Penzoil 10w40. I've
always changed it religuosly, and got long life and good service for my trouble.
I've always taken my oil choice for granted until now.

The engine in my truck as I've said before is set up very loose. It makes
good oil pressure at idle. (60 cold 35 hot) It rattles like a sprint car
when it's cold for about 5 minutes , but quiets down fairly acceptably when
warm. It's the piston and pin clearance. It has a lot of blow-by, and I
suspect a weak cylinder, though the cranking compression is exactly the same
for all 8. Number 8 will show a black spot on one side of the porcelin, the
other 7 are perfect, and the tailpipes are chalky white, even running short
trips. I've never had an engine set up like this one or that pulled so well.

I think that I need to do something different on the oil. All of this cold
rattling can't be good for it. I don't believe in the additives I've seen
and I hesitate to switch to a synthetic because I've heard that it willl
cause leaks. I spent a lot of time sealing leaks while it was down, the pan,
valve covers , rear main and front cover are OK now. (front cover still
leaks a little bit)The end seals on the intake are the worst. What do you
guys reccomend for an engine like this? I'm thinking of SAE 40 Penzoil as a
possibility for warm weather, and back to 10-40 in the winter. Or maybe
20w50 Penz year round. I know that the blow-by won't go away, but do you
think it will quiet down and most important be protected effectively by this
combination. Or is there something better? I have an open mind on synthetics
if they don't make a mess of the parking lot. So what works the best in this
kind of motor? When I switch I'd prefer to do it once, so's not to run into
additive package compatability troubles.


Ballinger
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:14:20 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Hot starts (sans Deacon)

>>Dan Lee:
>>Although it could be that the aluminum manifold (Edelbrock)
>>conducts too much heat to the carb (Carter). I will be glad to here
>>any other opinions on this problem.
>
>I'd suspect electrical components and Heat.
>While it is possible that your Carb is "Percolating".
>Most of the time Carters don't do this if the Carb is not damaged and the
>Float Level is set correctly.
>Check the Carb by getting the truck into the hot condition, shut the engine
>off, then OUTSIDE, pull off the top of the Air cleaner and look down into
>the Carb. If you see gas dripping into the Carb plan on a rebuild and
>replace the floats just for drill.
>Supposedly you can float the Floats in a pan to see if they sink, I have
>tried testing this way a bunch of times... now if I suspect I just replace
>them, then I know they are good.

Don't forget to put a fuel pressure gauge on it. The edelbrock/carter AFB
doesn't like more than about 6-7 psi at idle. My stock FE pump was nearly
11 psi! That big spring loaded diaghram keeps pressure in the system for
a long time, and if excess fuel pressure makes Your float needles leak
when the motor is shut off, You'se gonna be flooded when You come outa
the grocery store...
I had problems with hot start and sometimes rough stinky hot idle with
the edelbrock carb on my FE, and I added a 1" plastic carb spacer which
helped some, and then a fuel pressure regulator set at 7PSI that made
the problem go away entirely. It starts easily hot or cold now.
Oh yeah, mines on an e-brock aluminum manifold.



Steve
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When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
-- Hunter S. Thompson

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:20:12 -0700
From: "J.Scott Harkema"
Subject: FE teardown

When replaing your pushrods make sure they
are the EXACT same as your old ones. I got a
set once & fired my 390 up & instantly bent
2 of them.Puled all 16 out & compared them
to each other and noticed 2 more were about
.030 longer than the rest.
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:30:55 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Paint&Body

From: Dennis Pearson
>Well, my students think so, but the administration ain't usually
laughing.
>Something about the Counterculture...(
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ctc.edu/~dpearson/popcult.html )but I think you've already
been
>there.

Been there and I've been there. At times I'm there again. I have a
philosophy for living the good life. "I will not have a problem as long
as I remember Lizards can't talk"! Another one is "Because you know
where they've been, be sure to wash them before putting them in your
mouth". Words of wisdom from the voices in my head!

>OK, it was from a student...Come to think of it, so was the Mustang...
>The Marquis is really "donor" car (was gonna be 62 pickup, now is gonna
be
>Mustang).

I take it back, Stu needs to learn something from you "Older
Students". Stu has 6th graders so all he gets is milk money for A's.
Back when I was in school Teachers would tell me about the value of an
education but I never knew what it meant till now. :)
People may not believe this but when I was in school I was a little
disruptive. When the teacher would speak to the class I would make a
joke out of it. That was a long time ago and I was just a kid. Now I'm
in my forties and I know better. That is I know better jokes. Some
things never change. :]



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