fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, April 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 233



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In this issue:

Re: is it just me [BPayne1011 ]
ADMIN: Server update and FTE additions [Ken Payne ]
Fat engine wars????? ["Chris Samuel" ]
Re: Hard Hot Starting [GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)]
Re: Fat engine wars????? ["Deacon" ]
Re: ADMIN: Server update and FTE additions ["Deacon" ]
Re: 360/460 Apology [ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)]

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:12:53 EDT
From: BPayne1011
Subject: Re: is it just me

How do i get a message out about headporting on a 460 head I dont know how to
get in on chat could you please help me ????? thanks Bill Payne
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:34:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Server update and FTE additions

Lots of Ford Truck Enthusiasts news below, please read!

Web site: nearly working 100%. Chat is still broken.

New list server: I have new live versions of the lists working on
the new server. Digests are not working yet. As soon as the digests
are working, all the lists will be moved over and instructions sent
out. Commands and posting methods will remain the same, only the
addresses will change. The web site form and FAQ will also be updated.

As soon as the new lists are working then the following items will
get the attention they desperately need:

- -web site pictorial updates
- -web site link updates
- -free web space configuration. This shouldn't take long because the
new server is geared towards this. Additional web space beyond
the free 300k will be available for $1/month per meg (my cost).
I have about 6 meg available for free web space (about 20 sites).
There is a voting form on the web site concerning web space,
your opinion counts.
- -new chat script (tests confirm that this one shouldn't crash like
the old one kept doing)
- -t-shirt pictures will be reviewed and winners announced. Design
won't begin until after the Pigeon Forge F100 Nationals in mid
May.
- -A vendors section will be added to the page. This will be a
section that vendors can use to provide discounts to list members
and page visitors. We will get a small amount which helps to
cover our site expenses (they've gone up considerably) and pass on
the majority of the discount to you. The Working Mat will be the
first vendor in this section (they suggested this excellent idea).
More information will be available after details are arranged.
- -Pigeon Forge F100 Nationals Information (will be posted by this
weekend)

We will no longer pay for additional lists!! So the following will
occur shortly:

- -Vote for Performance/Hot Rodding truck mailing list. This ought
to take some mail pressure off the 61-79 list (busiest list).
- -Wanted/For Sale List: Additions to the Classifieds section on the
web site will automatically get posted to this list. No more
browsing of the ads page if you subscribe to this list! You'll
know immediately if someone has the part you need plus you'll be
able to respond directly to the person who posted the ad.

Sorry to be a stranger lately,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:38:35 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: Fat engine wars?????

This is a fun thread but I'll sit this dance out, cause I think that the
best engine hasn't been built yet, and someday when I have more money then
brain cells I'm going to build it completely from scratch...

Its going to be a Titanium/carbon fiber composite, with metal matrix cam
drive, 460 CI, high riser-side oilier, Long stroke DOHC, pent roofed canted
4 valve, double throwdown, DFI, Super-Turbocharged. variable displacement,
altitude compensating, inverted draw-threw 3 stroke design, getting 100MPG
using: Cow Magnets, Slick-50, and a Fish Carburetor, and I got some real
trick stuff but if I tell ya about it I has to kill ya! and I Kant afford
Bullets right now!
Power? well I built it on my cyber dyno and at a hundred inches of water it
made 1MHP per revolution no matter how high I tested it!
And if you are even thinking about swapping to anything else you are even
dumber then me!

Brain cell count reference:
I got 2 black Labs, that is 6 cells total.
SWMBO knows this because, she says one cell runs the tail to the left, and
another to the right, and the last one is for rolling in the stinkyest stuff
found on the planet or closest to the dog!
Just Sunday SWMBO said I got 3 cells mor-n my dogs, and she wer being
complementary!!
Must be right cause at the time I was welding beer cans together cuz my
buddy said I couldn't!

Laughing Muel.

FTC and Required Safety Disclaimer:
Never weld full beer cans, empty them into a suitable thirst repository
first!
I aint so dumb kuz I had this figured before SWMBO even came into the shop
!-)






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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:12:16, -0500
From: GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)
Subject: Re: Hard Hot Starting

Thanks for all the replies to my post. My battery is new, but quality
may be questionable. it is an auto parts store brand. However the
cables and connections may require some close examination. Since in
my '53 the battery is under the floor and the solenoid is under the
hood not far from the starter, there are long cables between the
battery and the engine compartment. I imagine this was not much of a
problem with a flathead V8. I don't think that heat soaking applies
here, it doesn't get worse before it gets better. It is bad
immediatly after shutting down and improves with time. Although it
could be that the aluminum manifold (Edelbrock)
conducts too much heat to the carb (Carter). I will be glad to here
any other opinions on this problem.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V


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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:53:03 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Fat engine wars?????

From: Chris Samuel
>This is a fun thread but I'll sit this dance out, cause I think that
the
>best engine hasn't been built yet, and someday when I have more money
then
>brain cells I'm going to build it completely from scratch...

Will you have to put something up for sale first? :))) That hurt me!

>Its going to be a Titanium/carbon fiber composite, with metal matrix
cam
>drive, 460 CI, high riser-side oilier, Long stroke DOHC, pent roofed
canted
>4 valve, double throwdown, DFI, Super-Turbocharged. variable
displacement,
>altitude compensating, inverted draw-threw 3 stroke design, getting
100MPG
>using: Cow Magnets, Slick-50, and a Fish Carburetor, and I got some
real
>trick stuff but if I tell ya about it I has to kill ya! and I Kant
afford
>Bullets right now!

Lets see. A dual pointless distributor, (no point but it doesn't it
twice) dual splitfires per cylinder (quad sparkless) a turblower ( it
sucks the exhaust out to add power) and underover drive pulleys....
click, click, click. Hey who do you think you are. A middle school
student? :)

>And if you are even thinking about swapping to anything else you are
even
>dumber then me!

Cuz I'm special. I am! :)

Deacon
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:15:47 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Server update and FTE additions

From: Ken Payne
>New list server: I have new live versions of the lists working on
>the new server. Digests are not working yet.

OK Gang. Lets start a thread that goes:

>From Hank
>Sorry for the long post but try it. It works!

Man thanks Hank. I can't believe no one has thought of that before.
I tried it on my truck and I can't believe the extra power and better
mileage ta boot. It didn't cost a thing but the time to do it.
Thanks again!

It will drive the people on the digest crazy wondering what it was they
missed! :)

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:29:30 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
Subject: Re: 360/460 Apology

Well said. FE's happen to spin my crank, they didn't get the street racing
respect they could have, but I've seen them do some amazing stuff for an
engine designed in the mid-fifties. A 385 series can make a mighty fine
transplant too. There's no substitute for cubic inches. On the subject of
weight, an FE loses more than the 385 with an aluminum intake, about 50 lbs,
that would be about 580 lbs in fighting trim. That's not all that heavy, esp
in a truck. They breathe really well for their displacement class. If Henry
II hadn't been so conservative about street iron, the musclecar scene would
have been a little different. Imagine a '67 390 Mustang with CJ heads,
factory aluminum intake, and solid lifter cam. I've seen this combination
home-built and man if they had only built it stock. It wouldn't have been
nearly as rare as 428 CJ cars and could have been a real Saturday night special.



>Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:19:46 EDT
>From: Ractrk002
>Subject: Re: 360_460 Swap / Apology
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>I don't understnd why anyone would have to apologize for wanting to swap
>between FE's or 385's do what ever yah want. I'm going from a 302 to a 289
>for the hell of it and to prove I can get one to beat a BB Chevy.


Ballinger
ballingr ....


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