fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, April 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 220



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In this issue:

Turn Signals ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Pitman Arm ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
List [am14 chrysler.com]
Noise (knock) [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: re:dreaming/b...sing/460's ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Dextron/ Type F ATF [am14 chrysler.com]
PS & PB ["John LaGrone" ]
Re: Dextron/ Type F ATF ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
re: Timing Questions [CLARE WATERMAN ]
Re: PS & PB & exhaust ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: manual to auto conversion ["Bill Beyer" ]
PS Coolers & Hood Ornaments ["John LaGrone" ]
Re: PS Coolers & Hood Ornaments ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: manual to auto conversion ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: manual to auto conversion ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Dextron/ Type F ATF [John MacNamara ]
Re: Dextron/ Type F ATF ["Michael Connor" ]
RE: dreaming/b...sing/460's [Sleddog ]
Re: Dextron/ Type F ATF ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: manual to auto conversion ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
A note from Peggy [Ken Payne ]
Re: Turn Signals ["Deacon" ]
Re: PS Coolers & Hood Ornaments ["J. Oxley" ]
Re: PS Coolers & Hood Ornaments ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:05:33 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Turn Signals

Well, I hope you're satisfied who ever asked about turn signals the
other day! It's all your fault! Your question prompted me to say
".........haven't had any problems since", remember that? First turn
I made this morning, no signals! #$%%T#$ # Guess that new fuse
block is coming sooner than I planned :-( Good thing I'm not
superstitious, I'd think someone set me up :-)

At least...........no, I'm not even going to say it. I want to get
home tonight :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:27:09 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Pitman Arm

> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:54:16 -0400
> From: "Dean A. Noland"
> Subject: Re: Pitman Arm

> I have a 69 F100 Ranger that I just converted to power steering. I
> used a power steering gear (Bendix) and pump from a 67 ford truck.
> I used this setup because I didn't have to change the steering
> column! But now I am having trouble finding a pitman arm to fit my

Didn't you take the pitman arm with the box? This should be pretty
easy to remedy? I had a problem with using 2wd links with 4wd arm
once and just shimmed the tapered pin (wrapped thin shim stock around
it till it fit) to fit the hole, will this work for you?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:55:09 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: List

John writes: >>I'm also sure others could profit from your labors.
thanks, and you can email privately if you don't want to waste
the list space.

Naaawwww!!!! If you got a good idea with Tools - shop equipment -
and any other things that might help us with our FORDS, it has a
place on the list. Right Guys!!!!!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:26:54 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Noise (knock)

Gary writes: >> A wrist pin can make some noise but usually isn't
intermittant as can piston slap with the same proviso.

He stated that he had pulled all the plug wires, one at a time, and
that the noise didn't change. This procedure would eliminate either of
these, would it not??????? I've always experienced a change in the
type of noise, if not complete elimination of it, when I removed the
sparkplug wire from the cylinder with one of these defects.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:39:56 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: re:dreaming/b...sing/460's

> From: "Deacon"
> Subject: Re: re:dreaming/b...sing/460's
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:41:00 -0700

> From: Bruce Hart
> >Deacon,your opinon has been noted.

> >Re:Dennis and form follws function.Its a great idea and I

That was my comment. You guys are really getting worked up about
this! The poor guy obviously has more money than he needs and wants
to play so let him! My point was that over the years I've seen I6's
get 12 - 14 mpg and 460's get 17 mpg. Typically they over lap
depending on how the intake and cam are set up and how they are
driven and the vehicle weight etc.. Form follows function for me
when I can get almost as good a mileage with a 460 which makes
bundles of power as I can get with an I6 which is way down on power
(comparatively speaking) unless you spend big bucks to get it up
there and then it is always under a lot of stress to make that power.
The 460 makes the power as a matter of course with no stress and no
additional high tech parts. The function is the power at the same
cost, the form is the 460 IMNSHO :-) This was not meant to be a
lecture but just a suggestion for goodness sake :-)

Most of us would fix the body and chassis first or maybe build the
engine first because that makes sense when we are on a budget so have
to do things in a logical progression that builds on itself. Others,
like me look to power (cheap power) above all else with the hope that
the body will hold up till we can get around to it. Aparently some
people are not constrained by those weaknesses and can do things in
the order that excites them. It's sort of like making the icing for
the cake first so you can lick the bowl while you bake the
cake........:-) (course, in my case the iceing would be all gone
so.....)

If Bruce was the guy with the I6, happy super charging Bruce! Don't
let these guys get you riled, they're just jealous :-)

I guess we tend to "advise" others based on our own understanding of
what's prudent eh?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:40:25 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Dextron/ Type F ATF

Some one writes and I forgot who: >>Somewhere along the line, someone
put Ford ATF in the C6 instead of Dexron. The viscosity is different
and they aren't interchnageable. Ford ATF is thinner and ruins the
cooling, efficiency, internal pressure and everything else.

I'm not trying to start a war here and I will be the 1st to defend
anyone for the right to have their own opinion, but I feel I must say
this.

I've been building automatic transmissions for as long as they have
been around, and I have very good luck with all of them. I've had to
re-do only 5 or 6 in my 45 plus years of rebuilding them and I use type
F ATF in all of them. I don't care what the mfg calls for or what make
it is. I have, in recent years, started adding one quart of Synthetic
30 wt motor oil(Mobile 1) along with the type F. I read everything I
can on performance Automatics, and this seems to be the widest accepted
method for most performance shops. I've had extremely good luck with
this method, and until I convince myself of a better way, I'll stick by
it.

Just had to get my $.02 in here.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:44:04 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: PS & PB

Thanks for all of the feed back on my brakes and power steering.

The brake systems (front and rear) are supposed to be isolated when
everything works right, the theory being that only half of the master
cylinder will fail at a time and you can still stop when the little red
light comes on. The way I discovered the proportioning valve problem was
examinig my maintainence records and realizing how many master cylinders I
was installing. The brakes work very good the way they are now, but I don't
like it because they aren't the way they are supposed to be. I'll find out
about the isolation of the systems when I replace the valve and take the
old one apart. Regarding the nose dive, because of the equalization hole I
drilled, the master cylinder has to be level to keep from overflowing when
you take the lid off. Putting the front wheels in the gutter at the bottom
of my driveway works very well. The stock spring clamp was not designed to
hold the pressure generated by forcing the fluid between the two
reservoirs, thus the hose clamp. Like I said before, the parts guys all
told me this stuff never fails. If I owned it, the head would fall off of a
nail...

I think I'll buy a new power steering pump. I'm cheap, but I'm not as young
as I used to be and check balls, needle bearings, spring loaded teeth, etc.
rile me more than they used to. Besides that, if I lose sight of some of
them, they are gone.

I stand corrected on the 351 in the 91 Bronco. I can't tell the difference
by just looking, yet...

Even though the F150 is a heavy half and could physically haul more, most
states, including Texas, register a truck for either 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton.
You couldn't register it as a 3/4, so most 5/8 ton heavy halfs are
registered for only 1/2 ton, including mine.

For overall performance, synthetic oil is probably "better" in most
applications. Personally, I don't care for it, but I am an unusual duck.

The exhaust pipe advice has been good. Generally, the bigger the pipe (or
total of two pipes), the better. After pipe size, cosider flow patterns.
Twists and turns can cause turbulence that will ruin the efficiency. You
want the exhaust to freely flow out of the cylinders as much as possible by
providing the lowest possible back pressure against the piston on the
exhaust stroke. Open haeders have the lowest back pressure, but are totally
illegal on a street machine. I don't understand the purpose of the
equalizer pipe between the duals and specifically eliminated it from my
Towncar. Because of the single catalytic converter on the F150, I had to go
with a single inlet, dual outlet muffler. Not as good as true duals, but
better than a single outlet.

- -John

jmlagron tenet.edu
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
1979 MC (my son is rebellious)

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:05:41 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Dextron/ Type F ATF

> From: am14 chrysler.com
> Subject: Dextron/ Type F ATF
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:40:25 -0400

> use type F ATF in all of them. I don't care what the mfg calls for
> or what make it is. I have, in recent years, started adding one
> quart of Synthetic 30 wt motor oil(Mobile 1) along with the type F.

I want to try the AMSOIL ATF which is compliant with all MFG's specs
so they say but like Mercon it has slighly more anit-chatter
additives than the type F but due to it's leaner nature is supposed
to actually improve on type F for clutch life etc. smooth up the
shifting, clean up the varnish etc.. BTW, has anyone ever wondered
were all this cleaned up varnish goes............??

When someone says "smooth up the shifting" I automatically think
"slip". I don't mind a hard shifting tranny myself. It lends some
confidence that it won't wear out quite as quick to the mix I think.

The advantage I believe the synthetic has over all the others is the
flow-ability it has compared to the same weight petroleum oil,
especially cold. This should help my converter clutches in the TBird
(I hope) :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:09:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: re: Timing Questions

thanks for the suggestions about timing adjustments- its not quite
purring like a kitten, but its running much much better



Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280

T: (919)-962-2354
F: (919)-962-1625

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:12:36 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: PS & PB & exhaust

> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:44:04 -0500
> From: "John LaGrone"
> Subject: PS & PB

> Because of the single catalytic converter on the F150, I had to go
> with a single inlet, dual outlet muffler. Not as good as true duals,
> but better than a single outlet.

Wait wait wait wait! Single inlet, dual outlet??? I think someone
turned it backward?? It's supposed to be dual inlet, single outlet
aint it? Mine was for sure. Walker has a kit for ford pickup 460
swaps that works that way and I bought all 4 pieces so I know it was
hooked up right.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:20:30 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: manual to auto conversion

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> From: Gary, 78 BBB
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: manual to auto conversion
> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 3:17 AM
>
>
> As far as coolers go, you need an auto radiator to do it right. I
> would not trust an after market cooler, even mounted beside the
> radiator with it's own electric fan to do the job. If you do some
> towing etc. then this "extra" cooler may be a good idea but get the
> radiator set up right first. Don't worry about running too cold, the
> torque converter and front pump warms the fluid up very quickly, long
> before the radiator is up to temp.
>

I'm really curious why so many people are down on aftermarket coolers. I've
done the manual to auto swap and added a B&M aftermarket cooler (with no
radiator cooler) and temp gauge and the trans has never gotten over 160 F
even during moderate four wheeling. Now I don't live in the dessert and the
ambient air temp rarely exceeds 100 F but still the trans is behind a
reasonably warmed over V8.

The cooler is mounted in front of the radiator and I installed an electric
fan in "pusher" config on the front of the radiator between the cooler and
rad. I have more trouble keeping the engine cool than the tranny, but I
think that's because the radiator is a little undersized for the engine and
the electric fan isn't getting the voltage it should. I sure as heck
wouldn't want my tranny fluid running thru an overheating radiator.

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:00:30 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: PS Coolers & Hood Ornaments

I finally remembered where the biggest power steering coolers were and why.
I had a 77 Eldorado that had a very nice setup. The big Eldo's and the GM
(sorry for the expletive) diesels of this vintage used the power steering
pump as the booster for the brakes also. Apparently those diesels didn't
produce the right vacuum and the front end on those Eldos weighed more than
a lot of cars do today plus it had 4 wheel disc brakes (a nightmare to fix
when they didn't work).

Speaking of diesels, you have to limit air flow to the radiator during the
winter to keep them hot. Remember, no spark plugs.

My F150 sports a hood ornament from an early 80's Crown Victoria, I think
it was an 85. There wasn't a whole lot of it there. It is about the same
dimensions as the Ranger ornament being discussed, but it is all chrome and
open through the center instead of solid. It is obviously Ford, not so big
as to be gaudy, and a whole lot easier to find than a pickup ornament. I
think I paid $7 in the junk yard. I had to drill the mounting holes in the
finished surface of the hood, but the inner sheet metal was ready for it.
It took one big hole and two little holes. Hmmm.. The base has the right
slope for this location. It looks like it belongs. I have also seen the
Explorer ornaments, but never a Ranger one, either on the road or in a junk
yard.

I really like this list. I get to talk to knowledgeable people about my
truck and use my computer at the same time. Too bad I keep getting
interupted with work...

- -John

jmlagron tenet.edu
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
1979 MC (my son is rebellious)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:25:08 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: PS Coolers & Hood Ornaments

> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:00:30 -0500
> From: "John LaGrone"
> Subject: PS Coolers & Hood Ornaments

> I finally remembered where the biggest power steering coolers were
> and why. I had a 77 Eldorado that had a very nice setup. The big
> Eldo's and the GM (sorry for the expletive) diesels of this vintage
> used the power steering pump as the booster for the brakes also.

My 78 town car has this brake system. I'm thinking very seriously
about putting it to good use in the bronco. What do y'all think?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:47:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: manual to auto conversion

> From: "Bill Beyer"
> Subject: Re: manual to auto conversion
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:20:30 -0700

> I'm really curious why so many people are down on aftermarket
> coolers. I've done the manual to auto swap and added a B&M
> aftermarket cooler (with no radiator cooler) and temp gauge and the
> trans has never gotten over 160 F even during moderate four

I'm not down on after market coolers, but would not trust one to
do the whole job. Most after market coolers are designed as
"additional" coolers and are not designed to do the whole job in the
first place. If you find one large enough then I supposes that is
possible but this is a key factor in your success. I have a fairly
large one but just looking at it I don't think I would trust it to do
the whole job even with a fan.

> voltage it should. I sure as heck wouldn't want my tranny fluid
> running thru an overheating radiator.

The radiator setup more or less guarantees that the output will be no
hotter than the engine temp under normal operation since it is routed
into the bottom which is the coolest part of the radiator. If the
engine temp at the heads is showing 195 the bottom of the radiator
will be much cooler so will cool the tranny fluid very well. Left
uncooled at all I can only guess that the fluid would quickly boil
away so if we add a cooler to the radiator cooling system we have
even better cooling for towing etc..

If you want to see how much heat a tranny puts out try leaving it in
gear on a hot day with the brake locked and watch your engine temp.
A trick I learned a long time ago with autos is to put it in neutral
at stops on hot days and it keeps the engine much cooler. Of course
if the radiator is sized right and in good shape it doesn't matter
:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:05:20 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: manual to auto conversion

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> From: Gary, 78 BBB
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: manual to auto conversion
> Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 5:47 AM
>
>
> I'm not down on after market coolers, but would not trust one to
> do the whole job. Most after market coolers are designed as
> "additional" coolers and are not designed to do the whole job in the
> first place. If you find one large enough then I supposes that is
> possible but this is a key factor in your success. I have a fairly
> large one but just looking at it I don't think I would trust it to do
> the whole job even with a fan.

You're absolutely correct, this is one case where "size matters" ;-) When I
bough the cooler for my conversion I called the company to find out if it
would work. They told me that it wouldn't be a problem just to add about
5000 lbs to the GVWR which I did. So since the vehicle is 7500 GVWR I put a
14,500 lb cooler on it. (A little overkill never hurts) I have seen engine
temps at the head on this vehicle approaching 220 (like I said I think I
have a little engine cooling issue!) and still the tranny never goes over
160. But of course they are totally separate systems on my rig.

> The radiator setup more or less guarantees that the output will be no
> hotter than the engine temp under normal operation since it is routed
> into the bottom which is the coolest part of the radiator. If the
> engine temp at the heads is showing 195 the bottom of the radiator
> will be much cooler so will cool the tranny fluid very well. Left
> uncooled at all I can only guess that the fluid would quickly boil
> away so if we add a cooler to the radiator cooling system we have
> even better cooling for towing etc..

> If you want to see how much heat a tranny puts out try leaving it in
> gear on a hot day with the brake locked and watch your engine temp.
> A trick I learned a long time ago with autos is to put it in neutral
> at stops on hot days and it keeps the engine much cooler. Of course
> if the radiator is sized right and in good shape it doesn't matter

Right so if the tranny fluid is hot enough to raise the temperature of the
entire cooling system significantly then it seems to me that the stock in
radiator cooling system is not doing a very good job.

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:19:21 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Dextron/ Type F ATF

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:

> > From: am14 chrysler.com
> > Subject: Dextron/ Type F ATF
> > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:40:25 -0400
>
> > use type F ATF in all of them. I don't care what the mfg calls for
> > or what make it is. I have, in recent years, started adding one
> > quart of Synthetic 30 wt motor oil(Mobile 1) along with the type F.
>
> I want to try the AMSOIL ATF which is compliant with all MFG's specs
> so they say but like Mercon it has slighly more anit-chatter
> additives than the type F but due to it's leaner nature is supposed
> to actually improve on type F for clutch life etc.

This comment on anti-chatter caught my attention as my C6, even though
rebuilt, has this pulsation off idle and it kind of bugs me as I've never
experienced it before. I just put some new fluid in a couple of weeks
ago(Valvoline) and I think it's better but haven't seen in additives that
might cure this annoyance.

If you do try the AMSOIL, would be interested in any results you find.

Thanks
John

78 F250 4X4 Supercab

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:33:07 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: Dextron/ Type F ATF

Hmmm...mine too...recently rebuilt and have a slight
vibration or pulse or slippage just off idle...gonna take it in
to my buddy who owns a tranny shop and find out what it is...

Mike
Phoenix, AZ.


>This comment on anti-chatter caught my attention as my C6, even though
>rebuilt, has this pulsation off idle and it kind of bugs me as I've never
>experienced it before. I just put some new fluid in a couple of weeks
>ago(Valvoline) and I think it's better but haven't seen in additives that
>might cure this annoyance.
>
>If you do try the AMSOIL, would be interested in any results you find.
>
>Thanks
>John
>
>78 F250 4X4 Supercab
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:35:05 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: dreaming/b...sing/460's

it's called a sleeper, and i remember taking the money in a couple of races
with a "rattling piece of crap with an engine straight off of Hot Rod TV"
eccept that the engine was built from junk parts and even the gaskets were
made from pizza boxes (used old head gaskets too). now, it didn't stop too
well, but there is still joy in running it. this is were hot rodding's
roots are! it all started with jalopies that didn't look safe and many
times were not. what's wrong with starting out this way? seems that if
someone is willing to go thru all that work for his car/truck as previously
mentioned he will most likely have more pride in his ride than the guy who
bought a "finished" piece of iron, put a crate motor in it and different
wheels, paid someone to paint it and fix it a little more and calls it his
own work. hell, my truck is far from beutiful, and the current engine is
no winner every day, but i built it, and i have more pride in it than the
people i compete against who may win more often, but they paid someone else
to build it.

build what you want. make it as safe as you can, as good as you can, with
the money, time, and abilities you have. take pride in it and don't let
someone else cut you down because it doesn't fit into what they feel is
right. i myself enjoy running around in a roach that will blow the doors
off of the local rich kid in his shiny big block chevelle or late model
sports car. primer is cool, sleepers are cool, and all that rust just
makes the truck lighter :)

sleddog



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From: WILLIAM L BALLINGER[SMTP:ballingr ldd.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 11:14 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: re:dreaming/b...sing/460's

Give me a break!! What kind of joy can
you get out of driving a rattling piece of crap with an engine straight off
of Hot Rod TV?

Ballinger
Preferred Company
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:47:34 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Dextron/ Type F ATF

> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:19:21 -0700
> From: John MacNamara
> Subject: Re: Dextron/ Type F ATF

> This comment on anti-chatter caught my attention as my C6, even

That's not what they really call it but my brain farted and I
couldn't think of the right name. Aparently they put some stuff in
other ATF's to make it more slippery but the type F has less of this
in it. The AMSOIL has a tad more than the type F but the tech guy
said the nature of the systhetic more than makes up for it so I guess
we'll see.

I put some slippery stuff in a OEM L/S once and it quite chattering
in turns but it also quit working when I needed it to so It left a
bitter taste if you know what I mean. I'd rather have the chatter in
turns and be able to go when I want............:-)

My 94 bird has the electronic AOD with locking converter which is now
slipping as signified by the chatter when shifting into OD. I've
been told the flow to the cluch actuator is the problem and the
synthetic will flow better and keep the clutches cleaner for better
performance. We can only hope...........(I do plan to replace the
converter first tho)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:58:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: manual to auto conversion

> From: "Bill Beyer"
> Subject: Re: manual to auto conversion
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:05:20 -0700

> Right so if the tranny fluid is hot enough to raise the temperature
> of the entire cooling system significantly then it seems to me that
> the stock in radiator cooling system is not doing a very good job.

Generally the auto configured radiator will have more capacity for a
given application than a manual setup so it should balance out. You
said you put the cooler in front of the radiator so in effect you
have roughly the same heat exchange going on in the radiator that you
would with the "in radiator" cooler. The hot air from the tranny
cooler is reducing the radiator's capacity and you have reduced the
air flow as well. If you put the tranny cooler off to the side (like
I did in my van) you would probably notice a much lower engine
operating temp. Remember the older A/C cars and how they used to
over heat?


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:57:56 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: A note from Peggy

To the members,

I would like to express my personal thanks to each and
every one of you who has chosen to be so generous to the
cause. Thanks to you, we have secured a new list server
and within the next two weeks the problems with service
interuptions will stop.

Many of you know how many grueling hours and hair-raising
minutes Ken has spent to make this the incredible success
it is today. It means a great deal to us to know that when
"the truckin' gets tough, the tough get truckin!"

Thanks again and God bless!

Peggy Payne
Coadministrator, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:07:23 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Turn Signals

From: Gary, 78 BBB
>Well, I hope you're satisfied who ever asked about turn signals the
>other day! It's all your fault! Your question prompted me to say
>".........haven't had any problems since", remember that? First turn
>I made this morning, no signals! #$%%T#$ # Guess that new fuse
>block is coming sooner than I planned :-( Good thing I'm not
>superstitious, I'd think someone set me up :-)

Oops, sorry! :) Tom has the best method on fishing the wires through the
column. I don't know why someone would want to set you up, just cuz you
get all the best toys,,, tools, I meant tools!

Lets see, eye of newt, lizard lips, stab the doll and twist it's head...
So I'm a poor sport! :)

Deacon
deconblu gte.net
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Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm
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http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:10:46 -0400
From: "J. Oxley"
Subject: Re: PS Coolers & Hood Ornaments

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:00:30 -0500
> > From: "John LaGrone"
> > Subject: PS Coolers & Hood Ornaments
>
> > I finally remembered where the biggest power steering coolers were
> > and why. I had a 77 Eldorado that had a very nice setup. The big
> > Eldo's and the GM (sorry for the expletive) diesels of this vintage
> > used the power steering pump as the booster for the brakes also.
>
> My 78 town car has this brake system. I'm thinking very seriously
> about putting it to good use in the bronco. What do y'all think?
>

How well does it work on the Lincoln??

OX

PS, thanks for the posts on the PS cooler. I will be using a factory
trans cooler. Last time I went wheelin, I was in some off camber
mini-hills that forced me to really tax my PS. I ended up pissing almost
half my PS fluid out the top of the pump (fill). I'm sure it was....


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