fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, April 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 215



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In this issue:

Ford Pickup Red Book ON SALE [John Strauss ]
Re: Short Trips [Ractrk002 ]
Re: Ford Pickup Red Book ON SALE [james oxley ]
Early Econoline floor shift [Roy Bebee ]
Re: Short Trips and synthetics ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: power steerin cooler ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: power steerin cooler ["Michael Connor" ]
RE: Reliability of the 360 [Sleddog ]
Re: Pertronix [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Mushy springs [am14 chrysler.com]
Battery size [pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)]
Re: frame and brake hoses [George Herpich ]
RE: Short Trips [Sleddog ]
Re: pertronix?? ["Robert Mitchem" ]
Re: Ford Truck Sales WAS: Reading Material [Mike Blazek
RE: Petronics [Brian Koss ]
Short Trips [ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)]
Timing Questions [ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)]
[none] [ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)]

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:43:40 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: Ford Pickup Red Book ON SALE

Just got my latest Classic Motorbooks catalog and the Ford Pickup Red Book
is on sale for only 2.74! I happily paid 9.95 for mine so this is a great
opportunity to get a really useful book for a very low price. Don't know
if this means they are discontinuing it or what. The catalog number is
118924AP. It says the sale ends May 15. The number is 800-826-6600.


_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, _} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:10:03 EDT
From: Ractrk002
Subject: Re: Short Trips

I have to disagree with the regular oil to synthetic. The original owner of
my truck ran Mobil 1 synthetic and there was a sh*t load of sludge everywhere.
Not to mention the fact that synthetic is thinner and will leak anywhere there
is a gasket not quite sealed right much worse than regular oil. I also had
more problems with ticky lifters with synthetic.



JT
1969 F100 302/T18

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:12:12 -0700
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: Ford Pickup Red Book ON SALE

John Strauss wrote:
>
> Just got my latest Classic Motorbooks catalog and the Ford Pickup Red Book
> is on sale for only 2.74! I happily paid 9.95 for mine so this is a great
> opportunity to get a really useful book for a very low price. Don't know
> if this means they are discontinuing it or what. The catalog number is
> 118924AP. It says the sale ends May 15. The number is 800-826-6600.

What is in this book?
OX

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:10:03 -0400
From: Roy Bebee
Subject: Early Econoline floor shift

Does anyone know an easy and inexpensive way to put a simple 3-speed
floor shift into a '62 Econoline pickup? Any junkyard parts that fit?
John Kosche - 'Petersen's Complete Ford Book 4th Edition had an article
reprinted from Hot Rod on ( V8 Power For Early Econolines ), but it was
just the mechanical stuff, which you seem to have under control.
My Econoline and 1928 roadster-pickup were at the International Car Show
in Toronto in February in the Wynn's display. They claimed the '62 was
leaking gas so they trailered it back right away. The '28 stayed for the
whole 10 days - what a blast to see old Fords on display.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:24:46 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Short Trips and synthetics

> From: Ractrk002
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:10:03 EDT
> Subject: Re: Short Trips

> I have to disagree with the regular oil to synthetic. The original
> owner of my truck ran Mobil 1 synthetic and there was a sh*t load of
> sludge everywhere. Not to mention the fact that synthetic is thinner
> and will leak anywhere there is a gasket not quite sealed right much
> worse than regular oil. I also had more problems with ticky lifters
> with synthetic.

We all agree that the synthetics will leak with less provocation but
the main failings of oil in general are inability to lubricate when
cold, that is flow and deterioration due to heat. If you look at the
numbers there is absolutely no doubt that synthetics out perform
Petroleum oils by a large margin in these two areas.

As to the leaks, I've been told that some synthetics actually
preserve the seals better than the best petroleum products. All of
this, of course, remains to be seen by me emperically but we're going
to fix that shortly.

There can be many reasons the original owner's use of Mobil 1 didn't
do what it has for virtually every other person I've ever discussed
this with. Perhaps he didn't change the oil? Perhaps he never ran
the engine long enough to reach operating temps? Don't know but
sludge usually happens to engines that don't get hot enough or are
not maintained. I haven't seen a sludged up engine since the old 54
Ch**y that ran 1 mile into town twice a week............

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:32:08 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: power steerin cooler

> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:22:20 -0700
> From: james oxley
> Subject: power steerin cooler

> Have a question about cooling the power steering. Any way the power
> steering fluid could be too cool! I am planning on running very
> large tires and have an extra factory tranny cooler from a camper
> special nose I was thinking of using.

Hydraulic pumps produce heat so fast I don't think you could ever
over cool anything hydraulic. Put the cooler in the return line and
any cooler made for a tranny will work but try to put it out to the
side of the radiator in it's own spot so it gets fresh air.


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:07:06 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: power steerin cooler

Friends,

I was poking around a junkyard a couple of years ago looking for
parts and I happened to peek my head under the hood of a mid
70's Ford car of some type. There was a small cooler bolted to the
front of the motor, plumbed into the return line of the power
steering box. Its just a U-shaped piece of tubing with fins across
it with a bracket for mounting. I got to poking around some other
Ford cars and found that they all had them. I bought 2, one for
my truck, and one for my 75 Jeep. Cost - $2 each. A genuine
Ford part.

FWIW,

Mike
Phoenix, AZ.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:07:42 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Reliability of the 360

i noticed in my non-ford v10 truck about 1 mpg better with synthetics in engine only.

sleddog

- ----------
From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 9:55 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Reliability of the 360

I'm going to
experiment with AMSOIL motor oils with a farily fresh engine and
tranny to see if their claims for better mileage are true. They
claim up to 3 - 4 mpg can be gained just by using their oil. The
synthetics are superior in every way so it's got to be good for the
engine in any case but the economy would be a nice bit of icing if
true :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --





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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:38:51 -0400
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Re: Pertronix

I have had an Ignitor in the I6 that I replaced with the 302 and when I
set up the 302 I put in an ignitor and a Flamethrower coil also by
Pertronix. When I changed from points to the Ignitor I could really tell
the difference not in the seat of my pants mind you but in the
smoothness of the idle and the gas mileage and also in the gas pedal
response. If your looking for an all round better running truck this is
the way to go but if your looking for it to be a big change in
horsepower or to throw you threw the back of the seat try something
else.

I maintain that I am not affiliated with this company and get nothing to
deliver this message just a satisfied customer.

Duke's
Fine 69
F-100
302

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:43:45 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Mushy springs

Brian writes: >>I have a 1976 F250 (just short of being a Camper
Special) and I mounted a 10 1/2-foot cabover
camper on it. I have installed the Air Lift
bags, but I still feel the suspension is a
little unnerving. Any recommendations of what
others have done with their cabover solutions?

Find a dual wheel F350 Cab/chassis (or flatbed type) of the same
general vintage and get the rear springs from it and install. Also
consider a rear stabilizer bar. Some trucks have them and there are
several aftermarket versions. This will make it very solid to "roll".

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:02:46 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: Battery size

What battery type do the 61-64 F Series trucks use? Will a group 24 fit
in the floor box properly?

Jon E. Purut
Pickup65 juno.com
JCPurut worldnet.att.net
Visit my site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~JCPurut

1964 F500 (needs a battery)
1965 F100 SWB Daily Driver
1965 F100
1977 F150
1970 Mustang Fastback
1993 Escort Wagon (wife's car)

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:49:50 -0400
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: frame and brake hoses

Stu Varner wrote

> Any particular brand name to look for. Sometimes in life when buying green
> beans in the store, brand really matters *little*, but, when we start
> talking about essential life saving parts like, say BRAKE hoses, I like to
> know I have the best I can afford.
> Even if it is an illusion in my mind :O)
>
> ANY recomendations out there?

Eis, Wagner and Raybestos come to mind. They are some of the biggest names in
brake parts but I'm sure there are others. Pep Boys surprised me with the name
brands they offer cheap. When I did my '71 I got all the parts from them and
everything was either Wagner or Raybestos.

George

>

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:09:53 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Short Trips

perhaps the original owner decide not to change the oil & filter regularly?
that would make the difference right there! you can run longer intervals
with synth, but you still need to change the filter!

sleddog

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From: Ractrk002[SMTP:Ractrk002 aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 4:10 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: Short Trips

I have to disagree with the regular oil to synthetic. The original owner
of
my truck ran Mobil 1 synthetic and there was a sh*t load of sludge
everywhere.
Not to mention the fact that synthetic is thinner and will leak anywhere
there
is a gasket not quite sealed right much worse than regular oil. I also had
more problems with ticky lifters with synthetic.



JT
1969 F100 302/T18






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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:29:36 -0500
From: "Robert Mitchem"
Subject: Re: pertronix??

I replaced the points with the petronix setup with flamethrower coil in my
428 galaxie and it was the best mod I could have done. On a cold day I pump
the gas once hit the starter and can get out the car. It idles just fine
and I don't use a choke on my 750 holley. I could not do that with the old
points. After a year of use I have had no problems and no more cleaning of
the spark plugs.
- -----Original Message-----
From: CLARE WATERMAN
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 8:08 AM
Subject: pertronix??


>I'm thinking about replacing my points with a pertronix ingition module.
>
>any thoughts or experience with this out there?
>
>TIA,
>
>
>
>Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
>Department of Biology
>University of North Carolina
>Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280
>
>T: (919)-962-2354
>F: (919)-962-1625
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:06:30 -0500
From: Mike Blazek
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Sales WAS: Reading Material

Actually, the whole story is even sweeter..The Ford F-Series has been
the best selling vehicle in the world for, IIRC, about 16 years now.
Ford trucks have been outsold by that ahem, 'other' truck in only 4 or
5 of the past thirty or so years...

Mike


Hogan, Tom wrote:
>
Apparently in 1977 the F series truck was the most
> popular selling vehicle in America. The first time a TRUCK beat out an
> automobile. Also to date there have been more F series trucks sold
> world wide than any other vehicle -- including the Beetle. Cool!
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:49:06 -0700
From: Brian Koss
Subject: RE: Petronics

I have been running one for the last two years with no problems. It beats
points and it's fairly cheap.

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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:27:34 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
Subject: Short Trips

>Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:06:09 GMT
>From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)
>Subject: Short Trips

>Hi group,
>Most of my driving is very low mileage; the two miles to work is not =
>enough
>to warm up the engines in any of my vehicles.=20

I run my truck 4 miles each way everyday, and this is what I've done to mine.
It's a '65 F250 4X4 with an FE and 4 spd with 4.56 gears. First you need a
195 degree thermostat and a good solid cooling system. I run a 7 lb cap, but
late models need higher pressure caps, just dont overdo it. During most
weather this will help alot. I have a Quadrajet carb with electric choke on
an aluminum intake, no intake heat, so in the winter I'm installing a
snorkle air cleaner with a Thermal Air Valve piped to a '69 390 Galaxie
Manifold stove that fits my headers perfectly. It's still a little on the
lean side for the first few blocks in
and the ring seal doesn't seem to be suffering. Once a week I get it out on
the highway for 10 miles and goose it a couple of times.


Ballinger
Preferred Company
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:45:14 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
Subject: Timing Questions

>It is running a little rough at the stock timing recommendation- but seems
>to run the smoothest at a timing set that is way off, i.e. not even in the
>range of the marks.

My FE is like that for some reason. I'm running about 20-22 degrees of
timing with added ported and centrifugal advance. But I also have a lot of
blow-by, I suspect a bad ring or piston at #8 due to crossfire at some time
or another. The other 7 are strong but #8 is weak when cold but improves
alot when warm, blow-by stays about the same. It's sad that it is only
supposed to have 10,000 miles on it, and pulls like a freight train, but
shows these problems. I have an aftermarket cam, intake and headers and with
this timing I make 15-16 hg of vacuam at idle and no sign of ping. At 6-12
degrees it just backfires when you accelerate. It was this way when I bought
it, I did a real double take when I put the timing light on it. I'd
appreciate any comments or experiences in this area too.


Ballinger
Preferred Company
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:02:05 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
Subject: [none]

>I've used PTO and front mount hydraulic pumps on a stake truck for
>log splitting and the BS, Wisconsin, Kholer etc. is a much, much,
>much better choice. For a winch OTOH I can't think of a better
>choice than PTO hydraulic. If you drive 60 mph and get 10 mpg thats
>about 6 gal/hr with the truck engine.............Gobs of power but if
>it's not necesary......... Let me put it this way, you can't make
>any money splitting wood with a truck motor, trust me :-)....


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