fordtrucks61-79-digest Friday, April 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 198



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In this issue:

FE vs. 460 [ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)]
Re: FE vs 460 :-) [Zigstr ]
428 and 460 war [am14 chrysler.com]
Re: 73-79 F-100 swaps [Ken Payne ]
Re: 460 vs. FE [Stu Varner ]
Re: 460 vs. FE ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: 460 vs. FE [Sleddog ]
RE: Cam selection and F500 [Sleddog ]
RE: FE vs 460 :-) [Sleddog ]
Advanced Adapters ["Sam Weatherby" ]
Re: Bellhousing. (Was: Re: Boxing the Frame) [Don Grossman
Re: Boxing the Frame [Don Grossman ]
Re: PAW ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: PAW ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Wood floor replacement... Thanx! [Don Grossman ]
Re: 73-79 F-100 swaps [Don Grossman ]
Re: Advanced Adapters [Don Grossman ]
RE: PAW ["Hogan, Tom" ]
Re: Advanced Adapters ["Sam Weatherby" ]
Location of Swap Meet? ["Sean R. Kerns" ]
Re: 2100/2150 carbs ["Dave Resch" ]
Re: Advanced Adapters ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Location of Swap Meet? [John MacNamara ]
Re: Advanced Adapters ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Aluminum Heads [Keith Srb ]
Re: Aluminum Heads [james oxley ]
Re: Aluminum Heads ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:10:13 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
Subject: FE vs. 460

I knew that it was coming. The big-block Ford debate. Which is better?
I had a friend back home in Springfield, MO who could build FE's to sing the
circle-track aria from low E to high C. He told me that there were a few
things that required attention for the music he was making, but for the most
part, nothing exotic was required. This was his recipe for a cheap 450 to
500 hp engine.
Garden variety 390 block, checked, decked, and aligned to perfection. Drill
out the main oil passage from the oil filter adapter to the main offshoot
gallery. Drill out the restriction cast into the rear main passage, and
replace all press in galley plugs with screw-ins. Place a drilled to .10
inch pipe plug in the block to head passage that feeds the rocker arms.
Elongate the main bearing holes to match the main passages. You now have a
very capable block.
390 crank, or if you desire a 410 or 428 station wagon crank. Forget the CJ
crank, it's expensive and is only so because of the casting number, it is
nothing special otherwise. If you use the 410/428 crank be sure to get the
balancer and flywheel/flexplate for the 410/428.
Aftermarket rods are preferred for extreme use, as they are on any hard
running engine. If you have to have stock, use the 390 rod with all of the
machine work and good bolts, forget the exotic stuff, but keep the rpms down
to 6000.
Forged pistons at 10.6 to 1 for 425 to 450 hp. 12.5 to 1 for 500 hp.
There are two ways to go for heads. CJ heads or ported 390's with CJ valves.
He used 390's on his engines, especially the '61-'64 Galaxie 4 bbl because
the exhaust ports were a little bigger.
Solid-lifter cam of 312 degrees with .550 lift. A split-pattern cam isn't
necessary for this engine. the tunnel-port has the same exhaust port as the
390, so flow is not a problem.
Medium-Riser tunnel-wedge single 4 bbl intake. They are still available from
Dove.
780 double-pumper for the 400 to 425 hp, 850 for the 500hp.
2 1/8 in. primary headers.
This engine was a stout perfomer and showed the Chevies some muscle.
Sometimes enough to make up for it's weight/handling penalty.
It also is not an exotic engine from an expense standpoint, but it isn't a
street engine either. It's a cruiser-weight brute.
How does it compare to a 460? I've never owned one, but have ridden in a
couple of vehicles so equipped. The 460 was a milder engine, with '71 429
CJ heads and 10 to 1 compression, capable of street duty. It made very good
torque, but less than I expected, and it just didn't seem to pull like it
should have for the cubic inches. It was a strong engine, though the power
band seemed to have flat places in it, but it buried the speedometer very
quickly.
The 390( probably actually a 415 )on the other hand was a snorter, that made
a glorius amount of mid-range. It ran more like a high-strung small-block,
but hit like a sledgehammer at 2500rpms instead of 4000rpms. Wonderful out
of the corners.
My conclusion. You can build a strong FE for a moderate amount of money, but
it wont be as streeteble as a 460 at the same power-level. The 460 can make
more cubes, thus more power at a lower rpm level. Forget large displacement
FE's, they are no longer economically viable to build except for class drag
racing, Cobras, and classic restorations.
A 390/415 is a great cruiser-weight engine that will eat a lot of 460's for
lunch, but a 460 with all of these new aftermarket parts that are available
would have to be stouter. It has many more cubes and much more cfm flow.
The choice would depend on application. A '65-'66 short syleside with the FE
and a C-6 with 4.11's.....try keeping that one in a straight line!!!! A
competitive pulling truck or mud bogger would go that extra five-feet with
the 460, sorry guys, I've seen it.



Ballinger
Preferred Company
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:18:01 EST
From: Zigstr
Subject: Re: FE vs 460 :-)

I love the old FE motors I have one in the shop thats going to be rebuilt.
Lets face it the FE came out in 1958 the 385 came to us in 1968 I think at
that time Ford had learned a thing or two. The FE is limited by bore spacing
and block design and age . I've also raced a 460 for some years back in
1984-87 back when not to many parts were around at that time I also had a
428cj. The 460 just flat out had more power potential. If I was going racing
for money,give me a 460 If just for fun give me that good old FE
.
. motorhead

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:13:29 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: 428 and 460 war

Gary writes:>> but the 428?? I think it was past the muscle era when
that came out wasn't it? We were certainly into unleaded fuel by
then.

Not quite. The 428 was introduced in mid year '68 in CJ form in the
Mustang. It would haul. I no longer have all the specs, but I owned a
'69 428CJ Mach 1. Dragged it for several years in the "C" Super Stock
class. Didn't get beat very many times. I think unleaded was
introduced in '71 and became mandatory in '78.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:53:47 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 73-79 F-100 swaps

At 11:18 PM 4/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Would anyone have a list or database of what parts can be swaped within the
>73-79
>F series pickup`s. I know that a windshield from a 73 F-250 fit my 74 F-100
>and
>was wondering what other parts could also be swapped. Would anyone also know
>where one could find pictures of the above pickups "73-79 F-series all"
>Thanks

The pictorial on the web site has a ton of pictures in that
series.

For a database of parts, I suggest contacting Autokrafters
or another company that sells them and ask for a catalog.
The parts sold in these (and other years from all the vendors
I've seen) have the years that the parts interchange listed
next to each part.

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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 07:58:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: 460 vs. FE

At 10:53 PM 4/2/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Robert Harris wrote:
>
>> Don't start no HP war cause where the FE ends, the 385 is only warming up.
>> BTW, 500+ is available with STOCK heads, block, crank and rods - without
>> needing to enrich Jim Dove.
>
>
>Very well stated.
>
>Dana
I agree totally TOO!! It is fun for some who love the old obsolete engines
to see what we "could" have. HP / money value, definitely the 460 cobra
jet crate
motor from SVO right out of the box.........FE guys are kinda
attached to their stuff.
Heck, I thought it was very funny (toungue in cheek) that some of Dove's
motors were as high as 41,000 clams. That's more than I make in 2 years
so I know it is way out of my league, I know 460's can be built much
cheaper, but the exotically stroked FE's and sohc FE's are something to
dream about.

No HP wars intended!!

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:08:46 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 460 vs. FE

> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 07:58:12 -0600 (CST)
> From: Stu Varner
> Subject: Re: 460 vs. FE

> motors were as high as 41,000 clams. That's more than I make in 2
> years so I know it is way out of my league, I know 460's can be
> built much cheaper, but the exotically stroked FE's and sohc FE's
> are something to dream about.

Thing is they blow up just like the cheap ones and when they do
you're out $41k. I put $1200 into my 460 with forged pistons and new
cam. With roller cam and all hardware including roller rockers I can
build a 460 for about $2000. If I add some porting which I'd
probably do myself and intake matching and maybe a new intake and
carb like I plan I could get all of $2500 into it and if I add the
Pete Jackson gear set, cast valve covers etc. I could have one awsome
motor for $3000. That, of course assumes that I do most of the work
myself. Let's see, oh yeah, and bigger valves and special springs so
we maybe get another $500 into it for a grand total of $3500.

I don't know about you guys but my stone stock 460 is awsome, the
motor I just built in my head is twice that. I can't imagine my
spine wanting any more than that in my bronco or pickup??

With 2.75 gears and wide ratio C-6 my pickup will go from 40 to about
85 within a few car lengths (in second gear) and I have to be
carefull (and quick) to keep it on the road when I pull out to pass
or it gets off the road before I can turn it back! Now double that
response and...................:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:04:18 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 460 vs. FE

i agree. and in fact that is the only reason to build anything.

sleddog

The only reason to run an FE is because you love it, and that, IMHO is
enough.

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:02:34 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Cam selection and F500

cam companies are a bit conservative, so i generally try to pick one a bit
bigger than their recommendations. if you travel at all at speeds over
3800 this cam is too small. it is almost a stock sized cam.

i bought for my 460 a crower cam that said "explosive mid range torque" but
it really has explosive bottom end torque and a very strong midrange with
no top end. nice sales catalog, but the cam doesn't run the rpms they
listed it at by about 1000 rpm lower. i would say for you IMHO add .020
lift and maybe 10 deg duration and you got the right size cam. but this is
assuming a rear gear of 3.50 or numerically bigger, and normal sized tires.
your combination may differ.

sleddog

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From: Jon E Purut[SMTP:pickup65 juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 9:00 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Cam selection and F500

I do no think this went through the first time so I am resubmitting it


I need help picking a cam for the 351C that I am rebuilding. Its going in
my daily driver F100 so I need something that will offer more torque. I
have been looking in the PAW catalog and crower makes a cam that sounds
about right. Its called the BAJA Beast and is designed for "stump pulling
power and torque...1200 to 3800 RPM."
The specs are:
Lobe Center 112 Deg.
Duration: Advert. Int 258 deg. exh 264 deg.
Duration: .50 Int 200 deg. exh. 210 deg.
Lift : int .477" exh .486"

Does this cam sound right?

Also for those who are interested in the F500 saga: We got it home
sunday. We left Raleigh at 7:15 sunday morning arrived at our destination
in Maryland at 11:30. Loading it up on the trailer and chaining it down
took an hour. Started back at 12:30. Arrived at my wife's uncle's farm
outside Raleigh at 5:30. Rolled it off the trailer and breathed a big
sigh of relief. What a day!

The whole trip cost $70 in fuel too.

Jon E. Purut
Pickup65 juno.com
JCPurut worldnet.att.net
Visit my site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~JCPurut

1964 F500 (Rockwell 6.20 gear rear end, T-88 tranny)
1965 F100 SWB Daily Driver (soon to have Stump Pulling Power)
1965 F100
1977 F150
1970 Mustang Fastback
1993 Escort Wagon (wife's car)






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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:20:43 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FE vs 460 :-)

well stu, looking at those prices i feel very comfortable building a 460.
i don't make in a year enough to build this kind of FE motor.

541 cid 650 hp $21,395.00------i am building in excess of 700 hp
in my 460 using 521 cubes this year. (most likely take all year too.) i
got good deals on parts, bringng my total well below the actual value if i
bought all new parts of about $12,000. (i may have 7k in it total afterall
parts, but only 5k so far.) but this is still half a 541 FE from DOVE. i
could build a BOSS semi-hemi 460 for less than that FE you have listed.

sleddog
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From: Stu Varner[SMTP:varners ten-nash.ten.k12.tn.us]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 10:00 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Re: FE vs 460 :-)

At 09:33 AM 4/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Lunati has a kit for the 429/460 block to make it a 512 ,theres some power
>potential.

So every FE guy has a smart comeback......Way out of my league but still
fun
to think about at night before I go to sleep.....Dove manufacturing has
several FE stroker kits
Push rod engines
450 cid 540 hp $12,045.00 steel cranks cost $14,465.00

488cid 585 hp $17,000

517 cid 635 hp $19448.00

541 cid 650 hp $21,395.00

Then you can stroke a sohc FE if you really want to impress some people
with
460's
are you ready for this .......

517 cid sohc $31,020

541 cid sohc $34,210

575 cid sohc $41,250

no hp rating on these, sorry, But, I am sure they are a little more
powerful
than
most 460's.

BTW- If the FE did not exist, I would be a huge supporter of the 460!!

Smile and dream pleasant dreams of smokin a chebby with either a 460 or FE
powered by Ford!!!



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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:25:12 -0800
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: Advanced Adapters

Anyone know if Advanced Adapters has a web site/
-srw

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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 07:32:02 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Bellhousing. (Was: Re: Boxing the Frame)

sdelanty wrote:

> >I have been struggling with finding a bellhousing to mate the T98 to ANY
> >motor that was in production after the Y blocks went out.
> >Please let me know
>
> Isn't the bellhousing for the T-98 the same as T-18 and NP435?
> They should be readily available at the wreckers for almost
> any motor You might care to use...
> I *may* still have a bellhousing for a T-18 to 240/6, 300/6, 289,
> 302, 351w laying in the yard. The honeysuckle bush may have eaten
> it by now, but I could go look if you want it..
> Where are You located?
>
> Steve
>

The T98 bellhousings are a little different than the18 and435's but basicly
the same, if that makes any sense to you. On the T98's one of the tabs that
bolt to the bellhousing is higher, lets see if this comes out right.

o o

o o
This is the t18 np435


o o
o
o
T98

You can get the general idea from this. The t98 bellhousing are drilled and
tapped for both styles. The 3 speeds use the same
o o

o o

as the t18 and np435.

Another little difference is that any one (bellhousing) in a truck made
before 65 will have the mounts to the crossmember. 64 and earlier used the
3 point mounting system for the engine, one in front, and one on each side
of the bellhousing.

Side note some of the 65-66 4x4's still used the 3 point mount for the
engine.

I do not know if you can drill and tap a t-18 np435 housing for the t98 or
not but I will take a look at the casting and see if there still is a place
for it.

- --
Don Grossman
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ftp://206.184.7.89/files

duckdon pacific.net

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.

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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 07:44:07 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Boxing the Frame

Vogt Family wrote:

> Before I install a 429 or some other ridiculously huge motor in my 61
> F-100 4x4, my teacher suggested I box the frame between the two forward
> most cross members. He said that it was probably not necessary even to
> go as far as the cross members but that boxing about a foot to the front
> and rear of the motor mounts should be sufficient. He suggested using a
> piece of plate cut to fit inside the frame channel, welded to form a
> box. This truck currently has a 223 six cylinder that attaches the front
> motor mounts near the radiator and there are no provisions for V8 motor
> mounts that I can see other than a few bolt holes.
>
> Do you have any suggestions or is this way the best?
>
> Also, will I be able to find a bellhousing to match a 429 to the T98?
>
> Birken T. Vogt - KE6DLT

Sorry for getting in here late (-:What you need to box the frame for when
installing a side mount engine is for the engine stands. The way the
stands bolt into the frame they will just collapse when you tighten the
bolts down. There is plenty of frame cross members already there. One
large one in front where the 223 mounts and one just under the bellhousing,
both of substancial size. The best way to mount the 429 is to box the
frame where the engine stands will bolt in and use some thing to keep the
area from collapsing, tubeing for the bolts to go thru.

Use engine stands from a 65-79 4x4 and get the after market kit ( Advanced
Adapters or such) to mount the engine to the stands since the 429-460
wasn't factory option.

I am planning on doing the same thing with my 390. I can use the 300 six
or 360 engine stands( same for both engines) and the factory engine
mounts. I might install the factory boxing and crossmember (a-la 77) and
delete the front crossmember under the radiator.

GL

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Don Grossman
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ftp://206.184.7.89/files

duckdon pacific.net

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:46:27 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: PAW

They don't have any Internet presence yet but they are a good company. I
have bought many parts from them over the years and spent many hours
drooling over their catalogs. I've never ordered anything from Summit so I
really can't compare them. Their phone # is (818) 998-6000.

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> From: Michael Redden
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: PAW
> Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 8:39 PM
>
> Hi:
>
> I've been unable to find anything about PAW, except relating to bears or
> cats.
> Is it similar to the dreaded Summit Racing? I was wondering if PAW had a
> URL,
> or should I get a phone #
>

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:47:19 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: PAW

> From: "Michael Redden"
> Subject: PAW
> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:39:50 -0500

> I've been unable to find anything about PAW, except relating to
> bears or cats. Is it similar to the dreaded Summit Racing? I was
> wondering if PAW had a URL, or should I get a phone #

Doesn't look like they have a web site but someone already posted the
phone number so I won't but they deal with engines and engine related
components only. No chassis parts or other accessories, if it
doesn't bolt to the engine or affect the engine's operation it
probably won't be in this catalog.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:03:30 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Wood floor replacement... Thanx!

Steve

Let me know when you are ready, but not the varnish part, ewww.

- --
Don Grossman
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duckdon pacific.net

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.

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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:07:46 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: 73-79 F-100 swaps

Docmi5 wrote:

> Would anyone have a list or database of what parts can be swaped within the
> 73-79
> F series pickup`s. I know that a windshield from a 73 F-250 fit my 74 F-100
> and
> was wondering what other parts could also be swapped. Would anyone also know
> where one could find pictures of the above pickups "73-79 F-series all"
> Thanks

A shorter list would be the parts that can't be swapped. Lets see here um,
well, ah, Ignition switch housings! Thats it :-}


- --
Don Grossman
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ftp://206.184.7.89/files

duckdon pacific.net

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.

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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:21:06 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Advanced Adapters

Sam Weatherby wrote:

> Anyone know if Advanced Adapters has a web site/
> -srw
>

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.advanceadapters.com/

had to do it ;-)

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Don Grossman
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ftp://206.184.7.89/files

duckdon pacific.net

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:34:40 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: PAW

Mike,
Grab any issue of a performance magazine off the rack and look in the
advertiser's index. Performance Automotive Warehouse advertises in just
about every issue. Hot Rod seems to always have a two page ad from
them. Their catalog costs $5.00. It is about 4 times thicker than
Summit's catalog. Think of it as the Sears and Roebuck equivalent of an
auto parts catalog. I haven't ordered anything from the catalog but it
seemed to be worth the 5 bucks. They also carry a lot of stuff for the
less popular motor families. Not just the 350 C! #%.

Tom H.


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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:39:50 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: PAW

Hi:

I've been unable to find anything about PAW, except relating to bears or
cats.
Is it similar to the dreaded Summit Racing? I was wondering if PAW had
a
URL,
or should I get a phone #

Thanks,

Mike

redden enter.net

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:45:05 -0800
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: Re: Advanced Adapters

Oh...
I was looking for advanceD, not advance...
Thanks,
-srw
- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Grossman
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Advanced Adapters


>
>
>Sam Weatherby wrote:
>
>> Anyone know if Advanced Adapters has a web site/
>> -srw
>>
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.advanceadapters.com/
>
>had to do it ;-)
>
>--
>Don Grossman
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://206.184.7.89
>ftp://206.184.7.89/files
>
>duckdon pacific.net
>
>63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:44:54 -0500
From: "Sean R. Kerns"
Subject: Location of Swap Meet?

Hey,

Can anyone who's going to the swap meet in Columbus, OH this
Saturday give me an idea where this place is located in
Columbus, and/or a number I can call for directions?
I'm in Cincinnati, and I'm not very familiar with Columbus.

Thanks,
Sean


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like God took a map of the United States, tilted it,
and everybody loose and 'unscrewed down' rolled into
my business." DLR, 1997

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:50:17 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: 2100/2150 carbs

I'm re-sending this message because it should have appeared in digest #194
and I never got that digest. Ken says it was never sent out and the list
service can't recover it. So, here goes again. (Sorry if you non-digest
guys have seen this before.)

>From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
>Subject: RE: 2100/2100 carbs
>
>Are you talking about the "air metering rods"? As far as I know
>all 2150's have these "ballbat" rods. I had assumed that they
>were strictly vacuum driven but the description in the shop
>manual says that they are mechanical like you said.

Yo Dale:

So your carb has these metering rods? The Motorcraft 2150 that is original
equipment on my truck has NO metering rods. I have found another truck w/
the identical carb (matching part #s) in a local junkyard, and it is the
same w/ no metering rods in the booster venturis. What is the part # on
your carb?

>Ford describes the booster venturi as; "The booster venturi
>contains high speed bleed orifices, along with a mechanical
>high speed control system. This system consists of a
>mechanical lift rod that actuates reverse-tapered "ballbat"
>metering rods in the high speed bleed orifices. This allow
>control of fuel/air mixture to the booster venturis for more
>precise high speed operation and improved low-speed
>response."

Hmmm... That sounds like what I want! I wonder if the design I have w/ no
metering rods is a later or newer system (since mine is on a 1980 truck) or
just a simpler/less sophisticated system. Maybe on my carb w/ no metering
rods, they sacrificed the "more precise" high speed operation for
"improved" low speed response. I wonder whether the performance-oriented
1982 Mustang carb is more modern/sophisticated or just older and more
effective. Hmmm... as usual, more questions than answers.

>"On some carburetors, a hot idle compensator (HIC) is
>mounted in the air horn. A bimetal strip opens a valve to
>admit air below the throttle plates. To increase hot
>engine idle speeds and thereby increase coolant flow to
>prevent engine overheating."

If the air horn is the top of the carb from the air cleaner gasket up, then
that's where mine is located. Otherwise the description seems to coincide
w/ how it works on this carb. I wonder if this HIC device augments the
vacuum advance signal switching (by the coolant PVS, between carb spark
port and manifold vacuum), which is supposed to do the same thing, increase
idle speed to prevent overheating, or if the HIC replaces the vac signal
switch.

So, Dale, does your carb have a HIC on it? Should be on the right side,
just behind the choke tower.

>Don't know why they want so much for that rebuild kit.
>I paid about $20 for the last one I bought, I'd ask to
>look at it and see what's inside. :-)

Yeah, I thought about that, too. But the rebuild kit is a special order
item, so they don't even have them in stock in the shops, and you gotta pay
in advance for it. :-( Maybe it is just the "high performance" rip-off
after all.

OTOH, if the metering rods were used in other 2150 carbs, maybe I could get
a cheap kit that would have the parts I need. Are the metering rods
included in the rebuild kit?

Thanks.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:04:34 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Advanced Adapters

Never heard of AdvanceD Adapters...

- ----------
> From: Sam Weatherby
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Advanced Adapters
> Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 8:45 AM
>
> Oh...
> I was looking for advanceD, not advance...
> Thanks,

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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:55:05 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Location of Swap Meet?

Sean R. Kerns wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Can anyone who's going to the swap meet in Columbus, OH this
> Saturday give me an idea where this place is located in
> Columbus, and/or a number I can call for directions?
> I'm in Cincinnati, and I'm not very familiar with Columbus.

Sean: The swap meet is in the Celeste Bldg. If no one responds maybe you
can call chamber of commerce for directions.

Thanks
John

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:45:02 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Advanced Adapters

> From: "Sam Weatherby"
> Subject: Advanced Adapters
> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:25:12 -0800

> Anyone know if Advanced Adapters has a web site/

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.advanceadapters.com/index.html

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:15:47 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Aluminum Heads

Other then the oblivious savings in weight, are there any other advantages
to using aluminum heads??

Later

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Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air....


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