fordtrucks61-79-digest Wednesday, April 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 193



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In this issue:

Re: Screens, flames, and such. [John MacNamara ]
Hi, and looking for '79 parts (sorta long) ["Sean R. Kerns"
Retrofitting a rear swaybar [BDIJXS ]
Re: Hi, and looking for '79 parts (sorta long) [John MacNamara
RE: Gaskets [Randy Collins ]
National Truck and Tractor Pull ["kingw" ]
RE: Whiter whites, Brighter brights.. the website. [sdelanty
Re: Whiter whites, brighter brights! [sdelanty ]
1975 F-100 4x4 ["Justin Frank Wimpey" ]
RE: NT'L Truck Pull, cracked block, FS good 460 block [Sleddog
Re: 1975 F-100 4x4 [Stu Varner ]
RE: Gaskets [RICHARD_GARBER HP-USA-om21.om.hp.com]
RE: 2100/2100 carbs ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Motocraft carb? ["Deacon" ]
360 engines ["Hunter" ]
Shift tube ["Don" ]
Re: Retrofitting a rear swaybar... [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: 360 engines [Ractrk002 ]
Re: Retrofitting a rear swaybar [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: 1975 F-100 4x4 [danadeb pacbell.net]
OFF THE LIST [RCCRAZZZY ]
Re: 1975 F-100 4x4 ["Justin Frank Wimpey" ]
Re: Gaskets [Brian ]
Hub Gaskets ["Dave Walbeck" ]
My OOP'S: Flow Bench. ["Chris Samuel" ]
Subject: Car Magazines. ["Chris Samuel" ]
Re: Subject: Car Magazines. [Ken Payne ]
Re: BFG long trail TA's [Dan Koster ]
Re: 1975 F-100 4x4 [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: My OOP'S: Flow Bench. ["Deacon" ]

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:51:44 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Screens, flames, and such.

Don Grossman wrote:

> Excuse me Harry, Robert
>
> I don't mind a good fight but could you take this one off the list?
>
> Thanks
>
> All in favor......

Count me in. I started this thread and sorry I did!

>
>
> All opposed.....
> --
> Don Grossman
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://206.184.7.89
> ftp://206.184.7.89/files
>
> duckdon pacific.net
>
> 63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:22:53 -0500
From: "Sean R. Kerns"
Subject: Hi, and looking for '79 parts (sorta long)

Hi all,

I'm brand new to this list, so I figured I start out with a little
intro:
My name is Sean Kerns. I live in Cincinnati, OH.
I have two "children"; 1 Ford, and one "non-Ford".
The "non-Ford" is a '48 CJ-2A that's all stock.
Now, my other one, the Ford, is a little different story. It's a '79
F-250 4x4, that I've had since '90. It was my daily driver for about 3
years, and is again now, so I get to put some more $$ into it, which
is always a good thing.
Anyway, it's got the normal Dana 44/Dana 60 front and rear axles, C6,
NP205 t-case, 33" Mud Terrains, etc. Now for the not-stock stuff. The
truck originally came with a 351M in it, but the previous owner
swapped in a 429 from a '68 Thunderbird. Very peppy motor, but for as
finnicky as it is, I'd almost rather still have the 351.
The other thing he swapped in from the Thunderbird is the 6-way power
seats. Sounds good on the surface, but not really. They don't fit in
the truck very well for my tastes, and my dog (the other, other child)
really would prefer a becnh seat. So, as part of my latest
rejuvination efforts, I've been trying to find a plain old stock bench
seat for this thing.
I've had a terrible time finding one. All the local yards that have
'73-'79 trucks either don't have the seats, or the seats are trashed.
I'm not picky on color. The interior is maroon, but I can always put a
cover on the seat, right?
Can anyone recomend a good source for one of these things? Oh, before
I forget, I'm also looking for a dash pad for it. I've found "dash
covers", but I don't want to go that route. I remember when I worked
on my Mustang, there were places you could get just about every
conceivable piece as OEM or repro.

Thanks in advance, from me and my dog.

Sean


- --
"You've got to understand... Rock 'n' Roll is a lot
like God took a map of the United States, tilted it,
and everybody loose and 'unscrewed down' rolled into
my business." DLR, 1997

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:30:55 EST
From: BDIJXS
Subject: Retrofitting a rear swaybar

Hi Dan,

I have the same deal that I'm working with on my front end. I'm using a front
axle out of a 77 4x4, and a swaybar out of the 78-79 Bronco. The Bronco front
end has the same little protrusions (my 77 doesn't), I am assuming to keep the
brackets from rotating. I had asked your exact same question on the list a few
weeks ago and nobody really responded, so I decided to go ahead and use the
stock brackets, and then have some bolts welded to the housing to match the
holes in the brackets. I'm thinking that somebody with a MIG welder might be
best as this would cut down on the overall amount of heat going into the
housing.

I know some people on the list have bought aftermarket swaybars, and I'll bet
they aren't supposed to fit over any "protrusions", probably they just rely on
the C-clamp forces to keep the brackets from rotating. Anyone know?

I'm also looking for a rear swaybar to fit the Dana 60....Anyone?

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:33:10 -0800
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Hi, and looking for '79 parts (sorta long)

Sean R. Kerns wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> The other thing he swapped in from the Thunderbird is the 6-way power
> seats. Sounds good on the surface, but not really. They don't fit in
> the truck very well for my tastes, and my dog (the other, other child)
> really would prefer a becnh seat. So, as part of my latest
> rejuvination efforts, I've been trying to find a plain old stock bench
> seat for this thing.

I had one up until about 6 months ago and threw it away cause I couldn't
get rid of it. I have a friend who has one in his garage. If you want me
to check I can see if he still has it.

> Can anyone recomend a good source for one of these things? Oh, before
> I forget, I'm also looking for a dash pad for it. I've found "dash
> covers", but I don't want to go that route. I remember when I worked
> on my Mustang, there were places you could get just about every
> conceivable piece as OEM or repro.

I think Carpenters probably still has dash pads and. You can also try
Jimmy Rose at JST Automotive in Tennessee. He's coming to Columbus this
weekend for a big swap meet and he can bring it if he has it. Ph# 615 443
3086.

Thanks

John
78 F250 4X4 Supercab XLT Lariat

>
>
> Thanks in advance, from me and my dog.
>
> Sean
>
> --
> "You've got to understand... Rock 'n' Roll is a lot
> like God took a map of the United States, tilted it,
> and everybody loose and 'unscrewed down' rolled into
> my business." DLR, 1997
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:56:44 -0800
From: Randy Collins
Subject: RE: Gaskets

Colorado Jeff Wrote:
Does anyone have a source for hard-to-find gaskets?
I'm looking for some discontinued front hub gaskets (76-77 F-250 4x4), one
of them is metal...

There is a place in Boise called Six State distributors. The are fairly
large drive train parts source. The are excellent to deal with.

I am pretty sure they have a store in Salt Lake City, Utah and they have
locations in other areas. Maybe they have a store in Denver. Their Boise
phone number is: 208-377-9393


Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET
Short Block Completed...Heads Sitting on the work bench!

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:33:53 -0600
From: "kingw"
Subject: National Truck and Tractor Pull

Sleddog (and anyone else interested),
Are you planning on attending the National Truck and Tractor Pull
in Ohio this August? If you are, let me know. If yes, are you going
to compete?

Bill

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:41:54 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: RE: Whiter whites, Brighter brights.. the website.

>Steve, Deacon, Dana, Ken and all the others that commented on the thread
>Righteous write-up and diagrams. I have properly downloaded and
>will be installing this evening when I get home from work.
>I wonder if it will work with the wife's LTD? Even if it don't work w/
>the LTD its going into the 66 F100.
>
>John

Yes, it should help the LTD. The 60's/70's (at least) big sedans suffer
from the same problem. They use the same crappy switches and miniscule
wiring as the trucks...
I may do a friends '67 4-dr Custom this weekend.


Steve

Only those who will risk going too far can
possibly find out how far one can go.
-- T. S. Eliot

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:41:52 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: Whiter whites, brighter brights!

Dave R. wrote:

>Apparently, they were made of some super-hard brass alloy, probably of
>extraterrestrial origin.

Yes, they're made of 99.9% pure unobtainium!

>
>When I went out to look for suitable female spade connectors to replace the
>originals, I found the same "non-standard" problem you did. Finally, at my
>favorite off-the-wall electronics shop (you know, the one staffed by weird
>ham radio geeks that make their own vacuum tubes)

I know that place! I've got 2 favorites I shop at... Those ham-geeks
are somethin else ain't they?


>I found these connectors
>that the guy said they used to stock for electric heaters in VWs (maybe it
>is a silly 8mm thing!).

Actually I think headlight termiinals *are* 8mm, but 5/16" is within a
couple thousandths.
It's amazing how much metric stuff creeps into things, even on old U.S.
made stuff.
It's always bugged me that FE's use an 18mm spark plug thread...
Now where the hell did THAT come from in 1958?

>So, maybe you can check w/ the local VW shops or the better stocked
>electronics shops to find these babies.

I actually bought some decades ago when I was doing lots of V.W. stuff,
so I know they exist... I'll be keeping my eyes open for them again.

Later,

Steve

Only those who will risk going too far can
possibly find out how far one can go.
-- T. S. Eliot

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:16:47 -0500
From: "Justin Frank Wimpey"
Subject: 1975 F-100 4x4

I've recently come accross a 1975 Ford f-100 4x4 that I'm thinking of
purchasing.
It is owned by a good friend of mine who I've known since we were both 4. He is
an ASE mechanic and bought the truck to drive to work during the winter.

Anyway it's got a 360 V-8 and the 2 speed transfer case (2wd and 4wd no low
range). It's in decent shape and needs a little TLC.

Any problems I should be aware of with this particular model. The engine burns
a little bit of oil, but I'm not afraid to rebuild it or swap in a 390.

Thanks in Advance.

- --
Justin Wimpey North Carolina State University
333 Maywood Ave. FSAE Engine Development, SAE Publicity Chairman
Raleigh, N.C. 27603 jfwimpey eos.ncsu.edu
(919) 821-0776 86 GTi, 76 RD400C, 95 CB1000

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:32:38 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: NT'L Truck Pull, cracked block, FS good 460 block

Bill,

no, won't be there as far as i know. i take time off of work to compete
locally, but rarely get to do a road trip that far. hoping to get to
carlisle car shows this year tho.

i don't compete on the pro level, and do not even know if they have non-pro
pulls there.

bad news too. my .110 over block has a bad crack in it. don't know yet if
i can get it sleeved, if there are any more cracks, or if i need to get
another block. looks like it'll be a couple more monthes before i get my
big motor ready.

got a line on a set of 4.56 gears for the rear, got them for the front
already. maybe i'll just start the season with my "wimpy" motor and lower
gears and get the new motor in by the middle to end of the season. well, i
think i need some good news now.

by the way, got a 460 block here for sale. if someone locally needs one
(not the cracked one!) let me know. located in stroudsburg, PA.

sleddog

- ----------
From: kingw[SMTP:kingw bgnet.bgsu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 12:33 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: National Truck and Tractor Pull

Sleddog (and anyone else interested),
Are you planning on attending the National Truck and Tractor Pull
in Ohio this August? If you are, let me know. If yes, are you going
to compete?

Bill

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:45:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: 1975 F-100 4x4

>Anyway it's got a 360 V-8 and the 2 speed transfer case (2wd and 4wd no low
>range). It's in decent shape and needs a little TLC.
>
>Any problems I should be aware of with this particular model. The engine burns
>a little bit of oil, but I'm not afraid to rebuild it or swap in a 390.
>
>

If it's half the truck my 71 F-100 4x4 with the same mechanicals is (and
since mine is in a million pieces now,) :O)
it should be twice the truck !

It should be a great one. Tuff as nails! Mine burns (used to) a little oil
but was very dependable!! I will be swapping cranks and pistons to make it
a 390 4V.
Go for it and buy that sucker. You'll not regret it!

Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:59:39 -0500
From: RICHARD_GARBER HP-USA-om21.om.hp.com
Subject: RE: Gaskets

Jeff,

I had this card, picked it up somewhere. I hav'nt used it, if you do
let us know the results.

Gasket City

"Gaskets for most makes of vehicles
from teens to the sixties"

905-679-6597



Rich
54 F100

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:15:44 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: RE: 2100/2100 carbs

Hi Dave,

>yoke is moved up and down by a cam on the throttle shaft between the
>venturi bores. The yoke moves two metering rods up and down in the booster
>venturi assembly. What do these metering rods do? Do they allow for a
>variable metering system, where my truck carb w/ no rods has a fixed
>metering system?

Are you talking about the "air metering rods"? As far as I know all 2150's
have these "ballbat" rods. I had assumed that they were strictly vacuum
driven but the description in the shop manual says that they are mechanical
like you said.

Ford describes the booster venturi as;
"The booster venturi contains high speed bleed orifices, along with a
mechanical high speed control system. This system consists of a
mechanical lift rod that actuates reverse-tapered "ballbat" metering rods in
the high speed bleed orifices. This allow control of fuel/air mixture to
the booster venturis for more precise high speed operation and improved
low-speed response."

>Hot idle compensator -- a little bi-metallic valve just behind the air horn
>on the right side. When the air temp warms up, it allows extra air into
>the manifold from the base of the carb, below the venturis, apparently
>leaning out the idle mixture.

"On some carburetors, a hot idle compensator (HIC) is mounted in the air
horn. A bimetal strip opens a valve to admit air below the throttle plates.
To increase hot engine idle speeds and thereby increase coolant flow to
prevent engine overheating."

Don't know why they want so much for that rebuild kit. I paid about $20 for
the last one I bought, I'd ask to look at it and see what's inside. :-)

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:05:29 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Motocraft carb?

What are the 2 jets just above the choke plate in the air horn for?
There's a tube that runs from them to the fuel bowl.


Deacon
deconblu gte.net
==============================================================
Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese
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Deacon's
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:15:38 -0500
From: "Hunter"
Subject: 360 engines

Does any one know how to keep manifold bolts on a 72 360 tight? The RH
manifold especially, will start leaking after about 3 months even after
using new, hardened, studs. Is there any loctite substance available that
will do the job? jhb

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:00:19 -0600
From: "Don"
Subject: Shift tube

Am looking for a "shift tube" (don't know what else to call it) for a 1970
F100, P/U, standard shift (on the column). I believe the Ford part number
is C5TZ 7212 C.
Its the tube that hooks to the gear shift lever on top of the column and the
shift linkage at the bottom.

Any help would be appreciated.

Don Parker

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:48:02 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Retrofitting a rear swaybar...

Daniel H. Jenkins wrote:
> I noticed this little
> cylinders shaped protrusions on the axle housing. It looks like they are
> there for the sole purpose of holding the mounts in the same place. The
> bad news is that my 9" Ford rear end doesn't have these little
> protrusions.

I had the same problem with a sway bar I pulled from the rear of a torino, I had
a muffler shop spot weld the bracket to the housing. ( Be careful to not over
use the heat or you could warp the rear housing ) Another approach would be to
drill and tap holes then insert bolts but keeping the metal shavings out of the
housing would be tough.

Dana

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:55:38 EST
From: Ractrk002
Subject: Re: 360 engines

Put a little dab of loctite in each of the bolt holes. It should do the job.
Be careful though a little loctite goes along way.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:07:26 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Retrofitting a rear swaybar

BDIJXS wrote:
>
> so I decided to go ahead and use the
> stock brackets, and then have some bolts welded to the housing to match the
> holes in the brackets. I'm thinking that somebody with a MIG welder might be
> best as this would cut down on the overall amount of heat going into the
> housing.
>

Your on the right track!


> I'm also looking for a rear swaybar to fit the Dana 60....Anyone?
>

Don't overlook the 70's cars alot use the same mounting and the frame width is
close. On a 56 F100 I got one from a 70's torino I think. It was a little too
wide so I cold tweaked it to fit.

Dana

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:09:47 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 1975 F-100 4x4

Justin Frank Wimpey wrote:
>
> but I'm not afraid to rebuild it or swap in a 390.



Don't you mean 460?

Dana

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:20:39 EST
From: RCCRAZZZY
Subject: OFF THE LIST

Please take me off the mailing list

thanks RCCRAZZZY

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:34:01 -0500
From: "Justin Frank Wimpey"
Subject: Re: 1975 F-100 4x4

> Don't you mean 460?
>

That would work quite nicely.... But the 428 has much more power potential.
Now if I could talk my Great Aunt's Cousin out of some heads or a car I'd be
set. (I'll give you a hint, her last name use to be Shelby.....)

Later,



- --
Justin Wimpey North Carolina State University
333 Maywood Ave. FSAE Engine Development, SAE Publicity Chairman
Raleigh, N.C. 27603 jfwimpey eos.ncsu.edu
(919) 821-0776 86 GTi, 76 RD400C, 95 CB1000

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:42:40 -0500
From: Brian
Subject: Re: Gaskets

Hey Jeff, give me the exact application and I'll look it up in my
books. If its a dana/spicer I can get you a part number, and I'm sure
Mike at Total Gear will have it...or be able to get it.

Brian

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:11:33 PST
From: "Dave Walbeck"
Subject: Hub Gaskets

Jeff and anyone else interested.
I'm assuming the gaskets you are talking about are for the BIG External
type Hubs (Highboy type) If this is the case they should still be
available from Ford.
Part # D2TZ-1A021-A, & D2TZ-1A021-B, I can't remember which one is the
metal one and which one is paper but Ford should still carry them If not
try Six States Distributors.
Dave Complete and Total FORDNUT, Highboy Nut, & FE Nut too!!!!!!!!!

______________________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:46:16 -0800
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: My OOP'S: Flow Bench.

SNIP
>I have a similiar model (100 i think, it is in storage for last 4 yrs.)
>too bad it doesn't flow enough for a 460 head! it works real good on
>small engines though like 1100cc.
>sleddog

I agree that it is too small if you are going over about 400 or so Horses,
and/or you want all of the details; or if your going racing where every
fraction of a HP counts.
I have used this one to chase my way into the 600HP range so it can be done.
I never quote the flow specs (Use a %age gain instead!) off this Mdl. for a
head that big (460), but it will work well for most any stock type SB head.
Horsepower is a measure of efficiency both air and fuel more air= more fuel=
more power. So Horsepower is airflow, whether your just off idle or at WOT.
Here is a little secret that may take some thinking to get:
The low lift air flow is the most critical portion of the lift, the overall
time that the valve spends at low lift is greater then the time spent at
high lift. You never read this in the magazines!
So this bench will work surprisingly well for the big heads.
Of course were I consistently building 400+HP engines I would get a SF 300
or 600; and that is what I have unlimited access to now.
You got to start somewhere and this unit is IMHO THE place to start learning
about air.
- - ----------
From: Gary,
SNIP
I thought this was a joke?? Is someone really trying to sell a flow
bench?
SNIP

Yep, as Deacon said, It is for sale.
I guess that Ol'Sleddog has one, bet his is for sale too, from the sounds of
it his may have less hours on it, so it may be the better deal!

Joke??
Laughing Muel
79 Bronco

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:46:44 -0800
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: Subject: Car Magazines.

SNIP
"Magazines are a for-profit organization, and information there in should be
taken with that in mind..." That would be a pretty good disclaimer, eh?

Ballinger
Preferred Company
ballingr ldd.net

RIGHT ON!

Chris
79 Bronco

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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:05:52 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Subject: Car Magazines.

At 08:46 PM 3/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>SNIP
>"Magazines are a for-profit organization, and information there in should be
>taken with that in mind..." That would be a pretty good disclaimer, eh?
>
>Ballinger
>Preferred Company
>ballingr ldd.net
>
>RIGHT ON!
>
>Chris
>79 Bronco
>

In my experience, there are a few really good magazines that
don't let advertisers get in the way of content. Custom and
Classic Trucks and Classic Auto Restorer are two examples,
in my opinion.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:18:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: Re: BFG long trail TA's

James

I have long trail TA's on my sport-ute. They are great for everyday
driving and provide the minimum needed for light off road use.

I'll be putting All-Terrains on my truck. They're better for more off
road work yet don't make much noise on the highway.

If I was serious about my off-road utility, I'd look at mud-terrains.
They're the best truck tire (IMHO) that BFG has to offer.

Hope this helps.

Dan




- ---james oxley wrote:
>
> Howdy
>
> A freind of mine is looking at BFG long trail TA's vs BFG AT"s. Just
> wondering if anyone has experince with the long trails.
>

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:54:20 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 1975 F-100 4x4

Justin Frank Wimpey wrote:
>
> > Don't you mean 460?
> >
>
> That would work quite nicely.... But the 428 has much more power potential.


???????????????

Dana

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:23:50 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: My OOP'S: Flow Bench.

From: Chris Samuel
>Yep, as Deacon said, It is for sale.
>I guess that Ol'Sleddog has one, bet his is for sale too, from the
sounds of
>it his may have less hours on it, so it may be the better deal!

I see there's no price yet and points to an other flow bench that
may be a better deal. Chris must be an honest person! I bet he promised....


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