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fordtrucks61-79-digest Sunday, March 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 169



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In this issue:

Re: 460 build-Up [Tyler Wilkins ]
RE: Engine Wars [Sleddog ]
Re: 460 build-Up [Firrer ]
302 Swap update [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Re: 302 Swap update ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: 302 Swap update [Mike Schwall ]
Re: Subject: Re: I-6/302 boss head [Steve & Rockette ]
Re: Gas tank for Highboy? [Steve & Rockette ]
Re: 66 Ford F100 VIN # [Steve & Rockette ]
Re: Engine Wars [Steve & Rockette ]
RE: 302 Swap update [DC Beatty ]
ADMIN: Microsoft Email products [Ken Payne ]
Re: Message from Deacon. [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Message from Deacon. [Don Grossman ]
Re: Message from Deacon. [Ken Payne ]
65 F250 replies [ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)]
Re: Granada/ Monarch Fuel Tanks [A64F100 ]
Re: Message from Deacon. ["Bill Beyer" ]
Subject: RE: 65 F250 4X4 ["Hogan, Tom" ]
Re: Weak T-5!? [james oxley ]
Re: Message from Deacon. ["Michael Redden" ]
360 vs 390 ID [DGholsM ]
Those Pesty FE Exhaust Manifold Bolts ["PAUL MONTY"
Re: Message from Deacon. [danadeb pacbell.net]
460 Dual Plug ["Harry Jennings" ]
Re: Those Pesty FE Exhaust Manifold Bolts [ROSITCH SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU]
Re: Message from Deacon. ["Deacon" ]

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:06:26 -0600
From: Tyler Wilkins
Subject: Re: 460 build-Up

> >article on 460 build-ups. I am willing to scan this article for those
> >of you interested.

I would be interested in one also. Thanx!

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:16:17 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Engine Wars

i do agree. but i must apologize. i do not fall into the Petersen
Publications 'swap this to make more HP!' party line. i am just a lover of
high HP, screaming engines, high speed corrners, eye bulging acceleration
and blood vessel popping stopping power. if it has a motor, i want to make
it faster. i don't mind a motor that is what other people would consider a
poor street motor. but i also do not ever try to push this attitude on
others. i could enjoy building a low speed mileage torque motor just as
much, it is just that i have no need for one anymore. i don't mind engines
that don't idle at anything below 2000 rpm or need better gas, etc. i have
done the smaller engines, and just love getting more! i got the HP bug
bad.

and, even a small ported, valved, carbed, intake motor can be made to
perform much better than stock and still be very streetable. my last 2
460's would be proof of that.

i guess i am still a rebel after all these years.

sleddog

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From: Alan Mittelstaedt / Chad Dailey[SMTP:am33009 navix.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 1998 8:45 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: Engine Wars

Gang--

My tech opinion, which I think you will both agree to:

Smaller openings, be they valve, carb venturi, intake, are easier and
more forgiving to tune for street/low RPM operation than their larger
cousins. They don't make the max HP, but they do quite fine for most.

Chad

- --
No good deed goes unpunished.

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:38:32 EST
From: Firrer
Subject: Re: 460 build-Up

put me in for a copy if you dont mind
thank you mike

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:53:38 -0500
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: 302 Swap update

I have everything bolted up and got ready to crank it today but all it
would do was crank it would'nt start. I know a few of the list members
have the same set up as I do , 302 w/Edelbrock 600 electric choke. I
hooked up the red wire for the electric choke to the I side of the
starter relay black wire to the body of the carb. I hooked up the vac.
advance hose to the port on the left side as if you were in the truck. I
have spark at the coil and at the plugs. when I was trying to start it I
pushed on the gas and shot fire out of the carb. The engine just cranks
it does'nt try to start. What could be the problem? I have only had one
vehicle that I ever worked on backfire through the carb. and the reason
was that I had the wires on in reverse order (2 4 6 and 8 wires were on
1 3 5 and 7 plugs) this was due to someone else trying to help and they
knew less than I did. I have checked the wires they are in the correct
spots and I never touched the dist. Any help or ideas would be
appreciated.

Duke's
Fine 69
F-100
302

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:08:32 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: 302 Swap update

Last time I rebuilt a motor, Ch*vy 283, the distributor was off by 1 tooth.
Symptoms were the same as yours, crank no fire, pops out the carb.

- ----------
> From: George Schott
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: 302 Swap update
> Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 4:53 PM
>
> I have everything bolted up and got ready to crank it today but all it
> would do was crank it would'nt start. I know a few of the list members
> have the same set up as I do , 302 w/Edelbrock 600 electric choke. I
> hooked up the red wire for the electric choke to the I side of the
> starter relay black wire to the body of the carb. I hooked up the vac.
> advance hose to the port on the left side as if you were in the truck. I
> have spark at the coil and at the plugs. when I was trying to start it I
> pushed on the gas and shot fire out of the carb. The engine just cranks
> it does'nt try to start. What could be the problem? I have only had one
> vehicle that I ever worked on backfire through the carb. and the reason
> was that I had the wires on in reverse order (2 4 6 and 8 wires were on
> 1 3 5 and 7 plugs) this was due to someone else trying to help and they
> knew less than I did. I have checked the wires they are in the correct
> spots and I never touched the dist. Any help or ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
>

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:07:19 -0600
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: 302 Swap update

At 07:53 PM 3/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I have everything bolted up and got ready to crank it today but all it
>would do was crank it would'nt start. I know a few of the list members
>have the same set up as I do , 302 w/Edelbrock 600 electric choke. I
>hooked up the red wire for the electric choke to the I side of the
>starter relay black wire to the body of the carb. I hooked up the vac.
>advance hose to the port on the left side as if you were in the truck. I
>have spark at the coil and at the plugs. when I was trying to start it I
>pushed on the gas and shot fire out of the carb. The engine just cranks
>it does'nt try to start. What could be the problem? I have only had one
>vehicle that I ever worked on backfire through the carb. and the reason
>was that I had the wires on in reverse order (2 4 6 and 8 wires were on
>1 3 5 and 7 plugs) this was due to someone else trying to help and they
>knew less than I did. I have checked the wires they are in the correct
>spots and I never touched the dist. Any help or ideas would be
>appreciated.

Take out the distrubutor and re-time the engine. Your one or two teeth
advanced.

Get #1 on TDC and point the rotor at plug #1 and slide the distributor in.
Keep the distributor hold down clamp loose so you can turn the
distributor. Hook everything back up and have someone crank the engine.
If it doesn't want to start, rotate the distributor one way or the other.
If it fires but runs like it's missing a cylinder or two, the timing is
still wrong.

Mike

_____________________________________________

Email: mikes intx.net
Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.intx.net/mikes

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:23:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: I-6/302 boss head

At 07:25 PM 12/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At one Ford was experimenting with a cross flow head for the 300, it was
>refered to as the "Australian" cylinder head. I saw a few at the Ford


The "aussie head" is for the 200 ci and 250 ci sixes, it won't go
on a truck engine.......
Clifford has them for early Mustangs and Fairlanes.

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:23:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: Gas tank for Highboy?

At 09:55 PM 20/3/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if there was a gas tank made that would fit inside the
>frame rails of a '75 F250 4x4 in back? (34" from outside to outside)

I have a C-word 30 gallon van fuel tank in my 63......

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:23:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: 66 Ford F100 VIN #

>No flames please M block lovers, 385 people and small blockers, I love all
>FORD engines except maybe the Pinto engine!
>


Whats wrong with the 2L Pinto? I agree the 2.3L is a bit of
an anchor in normally aspirated trim, but the 2L is still one of
the best engines Ford ever produced. 300HP screaming 4's
makes me smile, thats what the Formula 2000 engines are
making reliably. Granted its at 9500rpm, but it sounds "reet"


Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:23:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: Engine Wars

At 05:45 PM 21/3/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Gang--
>

>Smaller openings, be they valve, carb venturi, intake, are easier and
>more forgiving to tune for street/low RPM operation than their larger
>cousins. They don't make the max HP, but they do quite fine for most.
>
>Chad

Quite true, thats why I prefer the Q-Jet, lots of bottem end velocity,
lots of top-end power.

>No good deed goes unpunished.

Also true....

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:54:34 -0500
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: 302 Swap update

Duke: =


You might want to check the direction of rotation of the distributor shaf=
t
as well. I think all Fords are counter-clockwise, but not absolutely sure=
=2E
This could cause your symptoms. If you have this right then it's time to
re-stab the distributor. Bring #1 up to TDC and when the dist. is dropped=

in and fully seated make sure the tip of the rotor is under #1 plug wire
terminal at the cap. This stuff can be tedious if you haven't done it muc=
h,
but when you get it right it will just fire up right away. =


I had the privilege of doing this on my Maverick in the snow at night one=

time. I stabbed the dist. about 12 times before I got it right. Real
annoying.

Best of luck, =


Drew Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302


- -----Original Message-----
From: INTERNET:fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net =

Sent: Saturday, March 21, 1998 5:54 PM
To: INTERNET:fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
Subject: 302 Swap update

I have everything bolted up and got ready to crank it today but all it
would do was crank it would'nt start. I know a few of the list members
have the same set up as I do , 302 w/Edelbrock 600 electric choke. I
hooked up the red wire for the electric choke to the I side of the
starter relay black wire to the body of the carb. I hooked up the vac.
advance hose to the port on the left side as if you were in the truck. I
have spark at the coil and at the plugs. when I was trying to start it I
pushed on the gas and shot fire out of the carb. The engine just cranks
it does'nt try to start. What could be the problem? I have only had one
vehicle that I ever worked on backfire through the carb. and the reason
was that I had the wires on in reverse order (2 4 6 and 8 wires were on
1 3 5 and 7 plugs) this was due to someone else trying to help and they
knew less than I did. I have checked the wires they are in the correct
spots and I never touched the dist. Any help or ideas would be
appreciated.

Duke's
Fine 69
F-100
302

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:24:24 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Microsoft Email products

This message is going out to all the Ford Truck Enthusiasts
email lists. Thanks to everyone who replied to my request
for help. I wish I could personally thank all of you but
there were many who replied.

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:31:10 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Message from Deacon.

Bill Beyer wrote:
>

> will miss Deacons sense of humor I can't just stand by while he criticizes
> the administration and content of this list.


Where/when did he say anything about the administration???????

Personally I am a little frustrated by the gas and engine wars !
Get over it!!!!!

Some engines ARE better then others!!!!!!!

Gas costs around $1.00 per gallon!!!!!

Lets move on!!!!!!



Dana

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:34:38 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Message from Deacon.

danadeb pacbell.net wrote:

> Bill Beyer wrote:
> >
>
> > will miss Deacons sense of humor I can't just stand by while he criticizes
> > the administration and content of this list.
>
> Where/when did he say anything about the administration???????

Deacon had nothing but the utmost respect for the administration. It's the
politicians he hated ;)

> Gas costs around $1.00 per gallon!!!!!

Well about $1.23

>

> Lets move on!!!!!!

You said it all!

> Dana

Don

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:45:36 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Message from Deacon.

At 06:34 PM 3/21/98 -0800, you wrote:
>danadeb pacbell.net wrote:
>
>> Bill Beyer wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > will miss Deacons sense of humor I can't just stand by while he criticizes
>> > the administration and content of this list.
>>
>> Where/when did he say anything about the administration???????
>
>Deacon had nothing but the utmost respect for the administration. It's the
>politicians he hated ;)
>
>> Gas costs around $1.00 per gallon!!!!!
>
>Well about $1.23
>
>>
>
>> Lets move on!!!!!!
>
>You said it all!
>
>> Dana
>
>Don
>

Deacon was a very big "behind the scenes" person with the
list. He kept in contact with me a lot. This explains
why Deacon took some things personally. The lists are
very important to him. He's just buried with so many
things that he doesn't have the time for it right now.
I know him well enough to say that he'll probably be
back soon (I hope).

Ken
PS. $0.79 here and FEs are the best :^>

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:49:25 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (WILLIAM L BALLINGER)
Subject: 65 F250 replies

Gang,
Thanks for the replies that I've recieved so far, please keep them coming.
To clarify a couple of things, The compression test showed consistant
compression in the 115 lb range, and no irregularities appeared on the
oscilliscope during a running test. No smoke at all, and the amount of oil
on a 15 mile 60mph drive was just a little running down the side of the
valve cover, not a major hemmorage. It is running about 3000 rpms at that
speed. Thanks for the info on the block, I can't see the crank snout because
of the way the front mount is made. The parting line was about as wide as a
pencil lead if memory serves. ( I've slept since then) There was no counter
weighting on the rear of the crank, only a notch about the distance between
two holes, and nothing special about the flywheel that I could see. No
vibration either. More mysteries...This engine runs very strong but is noisy
(piston slap)when cold. The noise improves dramatically when warm, but the
blow-by never changes. I pulled the valve covers (also redneck torque
wrenched)to seal them and found that you can rock the valves back and forth
a little, but there is absolutely no smoke on start up, and there were
burned oil stripes with their distinctive smell over the exhauat valves. I
couldn't tell if the intakes had spring PC seals or not. Would it help to
put them on the exhausts? Anyway thanks alot and I hope to hear more from
everyone. This truck is unbelievable, any other highboy owners out there?
Mine's fiteen hands high and loves all the attention, I swear it stands a
little taller after every time I fix some part that hasn't been touched
since it was new, and there are a lot of them that are still in good working
order after a little work.


Ballinger
Preferred Company
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:12:45 EST
From: A64F100
Subject: Re: Granada/ Monarch Fuel Tanks

In a message dated 98-03-21 00:58:30 EST, you write:


tank in the rear under bed area. What is the best way to route the fuel
filler
hose? This will be install in my 67 F100 2wd w/ 8 foot bed. Any thoughts on
this ?
>>
on mine, I cut the curve off of the filler neck, leaving about 5 inches of
straight filler tubing(the top part). Then I just put the tubing into the top
of the tank and cut a hole in the bed and put in a filler door. This requires
a little measuring but looks pretty good afterwards. It's just a little off of
center but still looks good.(although my bedmat covers it now) Good Luck!

Later,
Scott L

*Keep It Ford Blue*

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:41:39 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Message from Deacon.

Well if he was frustrated by the "off topic" posts then by default he's
saying the Ken was not administering the list properly. I have no quarrels
with the way this list is policed and maybe Deacon didn't either, it's just
the way I interpreted the comments.

- ----------
> From: danadeb pacbell.net
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Message from Deacon.
> Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 6:31 PM

> Where/when did he say anything about the administration???????
>
> Personally I am a little frustrated by the gas and engine wars !
> Get over it!!!!!
>
> Some engines ARE better then others!!!!!!!
>
> Gas costs around $1.00 per gallon!!!!!
>
> Lets move on!!!!!!
>
>

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:47:11 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: Subject: RE: 65 F250 4X4

William,
From what you describe the motor sounds like it is in pretty good shape.
The noise at startup has me a little worried. The oil pressure you list
sounds very good. I want to throw this idea out to others on the list
to test its merit. Is it possible that you don't have blow by but have
plugged oil passages in the heads from sludge? At higher RPMs the oil
would linger in the valve covers and possibly overflow out the filler.
Try revving to 3000 rpm and when oil appears at the filler check the
dipstick and see if any oil is left in the sump.

Good Luck,
Tom H



On Friday, March 20, 1998 8:30 PM, WILLIAM L BALLINGER
[SMTP:ballingr ldd.net] wrote:
> I have a 65 F250 4X4 that I bought a little while back. It has all of
the
> original drivetrain intact except for the engine. The engine is a
mystery
to
> me. The seller claimed that it is a 360 with 390 heads(which as far as
I
> know are the same as 360 heads) with 10,000 miles on it. It has a
terrible
> amount of blow-by but it doesn't; use any oil, smoke, or contaminate
the
oil
> with gas. No smoke on start up, or crap on the dipstick. It runs
really
good
> , but sounds like a threshing machine when it is warming up, but
quiets
down
> tolerably when warm. The oil pressure is 55 psi at start up 25 at idle

when
> warm and 45 to 50 at highway cruise speed. It blows oil out of the
filler
> cap at sustained 2800 to 3000 rpm operation. It has an atermarket cam
> (unknown specs) Performer 390 intake and headers. It makes 14 to 16hg
of
> vacuam at 825 rpms with a little lope but smooth, and runs 22 to 25
degrees
> of initial timing at the balancer( with the vacuam advance
unhooked)When
> Ipulled the pan to seal the (redneck tourque wrenched)pan the block
revealed
> another mystery. The main webs have three ribs instead of two and the
pan
> rail is about 3/16 of on inch wider than another FE I had lying
around.
It
> has a 105 cast backwards on the drivers side front of the block wher
any
> other I've seen has a 352. It is a D3TE casting.
> My questions are:
> 1. Do you think that the blow-by could be the exhaust valve guides?
The
> intakes aren't sucking oil.( no smoke ever )If so will it hurt to
drive
it
> that way changin oil every 3000 miles?
> 2.Do you think that the noise is due to forged pistons? The undersides

when
> I had the pan off had crescent shaped ribs opposite to the pins, other

cast
> pistons I've seen are flat at the skirt with no reinforcement. What
does
an
> FE forged piston look like from undrneath?
> 3. Is the oil pressure OK? and is it normal to blow out oil at highway
> speed? (2800 to 3000 rpms with my 4.56 gears and 31.50(supposed to be
> 12.50x33x16.5)ties)
> 4.Why does it need so much timing? There is no vibration anywhere, so
I
> don't think that the balancer has slipped, you cant really see it
because
of
> the front mount. I have ported vacuam advance and good responsive
> centrifugal advance, and no ping at all. It runs good.
> 5. Can anyone identify the block?
>
>
> Ballinger
> Preferred Company
> ballingr ldd.net
>
> +--------------

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:53:49 -0500
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: Weak T-5!?

Harry Jennings wrote:

>
> OK, so the T-5 isn't the strongest tranny ever made. But, come on, the
> T-5 was offered behind some very good running 302's. It isn't like he
> wants to put it behind a 460. It's going behind a smaller engine! You
> also have to remember that the T-5 does just fine in the several
> SUPERCHERGED and otherwise HO 302 Mustangs running around the country.
I can vouch for this. 70k miles of the most abusive driving you could
think of. This was with around 230 HP. Many runs after that with 150 HP
nitrous kit. Have turbo kit now and beat it regulary. Did fry 3rd gear
synchro once from too many power shifts, but I do have an 86, which was
probably the worst year for the T-5.


> am sure the T-5 would work just fine behind the mild 300 I6. I think it
> would even work just fine behine a mild 351W. After all, what manual did
> Ford use with the '93(?) Mustang Cobra (the one with the HO 351W)?

Actually, that was the Cobra R and it used the Tremec 5 Spd.

OX

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:04:52 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: Message from Deacon.

A quick observation:

After being on many lists, I've noticed that, by comparison, this list has
much fewer off-topic posts.
It has fewer flamers, sore losers, and defensive "one upsmanship" posts.
Every list has a few
strong personalities that dominate the threads. Here, they tend to stay on
the topic,
since they obviously love Ford trucks and love to share their knowledge.
I'm thankful for that.

Mike

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:04:59 EST
From: DGholsM
Subject: 360 vs 390 ID

I'm sure this has beeb asked B4, but are there any external markings to
differentiate between a 360 and a 390? I was told that I purchased a 360 but
htis thing just won't quit. I pulled a 77 Lincoln 388 miles with it and I
think I got better gas milage with a load and I wasn't lacking any power
either.

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:35:46 -0800
From: "PAUL MONTY"
Subject: Those Pesty FE Exhaust Manifold Bolts

Hi, Paul from California...I've been lurking on the list for several months
now. Made a few posts and talked to a couple of you individually...

I've got a problem I'm fairly sure isn't unique to me. Bought the '71
F-250, FE 390, new when I was 18. It's got about 90K now (isn't driven as
a daily because of the 10mpg).

I pulled the heads once, back in 1979 and had stainless valves put in.
Today, I finally got around to attempting to repair the right side exhaust
manifold gasket leak (tick,tick, tick--has been driving me crazy for too
long). The real impetus was my finding a set of cast-iron 406 exhaust
manifolds that a guy (professional welder) had modified so that they fit
his F-250. At $60 for the set it was too good to pass up.

Today, after soaking the rusty, 20 years since last loosened, bolts and
warming the engine, tapping the bolts and soaking again, I began loosening
the exhaust manifolds. I kind of knew it wasn't going to go too smoothly
when the No.1 cylinder top bolt broke
where the stud enters the head. So did the No. 3 top bolt. The remaining
came off smoothly, but one expects the bottom bolts to come off, it's only
those top studs, where the water gets in the threads that cause problems.

Now, do I pull the head or do you guys know of a trick fix. I took out my
right angle drill chuck, but it looks as if I won't have enough clearance
to use it. Any tricks of the trade will be greatly appreciated.

Also, a friend recommends using stainless bolts upon reassembly. Any
thoughts?

Paul

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:06:12 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Message from Deacon.

Bill Beyer wrote:
>
> Well if he was frustrated by the "off topic" posts then by default he's
> saying the Ken was not administering the list properly. I have no quarrels
> with the way this list is policed and maybe Deacon didn't either, it's just
> the way I interpreted the comments.


We all know what happens I we ASS-U-ME too much!!

Dana ;-)

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:14:38 CST
From: "Harry Jennings"
Subject: 460 Dual Plug

Well, I just read the article. Dual plugs is nothing new by a long shot.
The first one *I* remember seeing was in a friends '87 Nissan P/U. The
Ford Ranger uses such a set-up in the 4 cyl.

I am sure that a dual plug set-up has advantages. But the claims made in
that article seem, well, optimistic at best. True dual plug set-ups use
more than one coil and such. This engine just split the plug wires. All
that was accomplished was producing 2 sparks rather than one. I doubt
that modification alone would make a big difference.

A dual plug stroked 460 (480ci's) get better mileage than a similar
built single plug 460ci engine? I don't know about that. How were the
other engines built? Was the 460 and V10 dead stock?

I think that a good high quality ignition would work just as good as
that "dual plug" 480 system! Maybe if the second set of plugs were ran
off of their own system?

sceptical

:o)

Harry.

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:22:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: ROSITCH SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Re: Those Pesty FE Exhaust Manifold Bolts

Just be sure to use a good anti-seize compound on the bolts and you
won't have any trouble in the future. Did the bolts break flush with
the head? I have had good luck just drilling the center of the bolt
starting with a 1/8" drill bit, then use a 1/4" bit and usually the
bolt will screw itself out the back of the threads.

Good Luck,
Don Rositch
'66 F250

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:05:58 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: Message from Deacon.

Hi Gang. Today I got to missing this list to the point I had to come
back! You guys are friends of mine, I didn't realize how much you are
all part of my life until my Inbox was empty every day.
As far as the way I feel about how Ken admin's this list,,, Well,
lets just say I would be one hypocritical meat head to complain about
his allowing off topic post. Ken is the best list administrator I know
and I don't think anyone would disagree with me. I have a lot of respect
for Chuck Fry of "fordnatics" so that's not a short handed compliment. I
have only read Ken and Dana's post to see what was being said. Ken and
Dana are personal friends, with that in mind I figured I was safe from
being thrashed too badly. :) If I get off path it's because I don't want
to read something that may take away from the good feeling I have coming
back. If there's still any doubt or disagreement after reading this, it
will be discussed then.
Ken, your description of how I feel about this list was right on.
Ken helped me to build my first Webpage. He spent many hours helping me
and I owe him many thanks! Many of you know through personal experience
how unselfish Ken is! I may from time too time disagree with Ken. In no
way would I relate that with disrespect.
As far as my personal feelings on post that support other makes or
complaints because someone bashes them, their bogus! My personal
feelings on Chevy, the 350 is cheap to build. Every one I've owned has
been a big disappointment. I don't like them much, but their just nuts
and bolts so hate is a word that just doesn't come into play. Dodge on
the other hand??? If I had a choice between any 2 new Fords or a Viper,
my choice just might disappoint some list members. Two Pantera's or
GT40's would make me think, but the scale would still tilt. I wouldn't
post on this list, Dodge is better than Ford, even if it was the way I
felt. I do love Mopars but for a daily driver I prefer Ford. Sleddog
comes to mind talking about Dodge. I think he's a good example when it
comes to respect for the list by keeping his opinions on track but lets
it be known he likes his Dodge. Bashing brings Stu to mind. That is of
course if "NUKE GM" is consitered bashing! I think Stu's a good example
when it comes to respect for the list by keeping his opinions on track
but lets it be known he dis-likes GM. If I felt the same way as Stu, I
wouldn't see a problem with having this at the end of my post. Come to
think of it, if I was PeeWee Herman, I wouldn't hav.... That's another
story! :)
Chris, I hope you don't take this too personal but I feel when you
posted that a '76 302 is worthless on a list aimed at owners of '61 -
'79 Fords, was a thoughtless thing to write. Your opinion no doubt
differs from mine and frankly I don't care. If Chevy bashing on a Ford
list isn't fruitful, then Ford bashing on a Ford list!!! The way Ken
handled it was fine with me! I believe he doesn't need to police the
list and I don't want him too. But in the same way, I feel members can,
by pointing out how they feel towards it when it happens in a non-flame
way! I feel I'm guilty of the same things. So I'm not picking a fight,
just voicing my opinion. I hope you consider our disagreements as just
disagreements. Steve Delanty showed me how I take things too personally
and for that, I'm sorry, however my opinion on the subject remains.
When I left the list I received e-mail from a "couple members" upset
about some of the post that have been coming up. Along with the way I
felt, I let Ken know that I thought there was a problem. If I didn't
respect this list and Ken, or had confidence in how Ken would handle
things, I would not have told Ken my concerns.
As for the reason I left the list, I spend too much time with it,....


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