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fordtrucks61-79-digest Sunday, March 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 152

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In this issue:

Re: Australian crossflow cylinder head [sbest ]
Re: Mine is bigger... [sbest ]
Re: Towing [sbest ]
Re: Engine Wars - Clear the water [SuperMagot ]
Re: Dreaded Driver Seat Problem -PLEASE RESPOND- [Brian
Re: IGNITION IGNORAMUS [Brian ]
'66 was a dud ["Chris Hedemark" ]
66 is still a dud ["Chris Hedemark" ]
Re: IGNITION IGNORAMUS ["Chris Hedemark" ]
Re: Engine Wars ["Chris Hedemark" ]
RE: gas prices [Sleddog ]
RE: Engine Wars [Sleddog ]
Re: gas prices ["Michael Redden" ]
RE: gas prices [Ken Payne ]
Re: gas prices ["Chris Hedemark" ]
Re: gas prices [FORD-TRUCK-70

webtv.net (RANDY D)]
ADMIN: Web site updates [Ken Payne ]
Re: gas prices [Mike Schwall ]
Re: gas prices [A64F100 ]
Engine Wars - some basics [sbest ]
Re: 351C and 429/460 [sbest ]
Re: gas prices [danadeb

pacbell.net]
Re: '65 Ford engine buildup [Carey & Norm ]
mystery oil plug [DC Beatty ]
Today, not quite the day! [pickup65

juno.com (Jon E Purut)]
ARRGH! FTV2 #151 [Alan Mittelstaedt / Chad Dailey ]
Re: IGNITION IGNORAMUS [sdelanty ]
Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand [sdelanty ]
Re:Dreaded Driver Seat Problem -PLEASE RESPOND- [sdelanty
Re: 351's [sdelanty ]

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:53:26 -0400
From: sbest
Subject: Re: Australian crossflow cylinder head

>>At one Ford was experimenting with a cross flow head for the 300, it was
>>refered to as the "Australian" cylinder head. I saw a few at the Ford
>>experimental engine development building about 7 years ago. As far as I
>>know, the head never was available in north america, but it may have
>>been in use in Australia,(reason for the name????).
>
>I would love to find any info on this head, and would probably ship one
>from Australia if I could. Let me know if you have any pointers on where I
>might start looking.

The "Australian crossflow cylinder head" you are refering to is for the
170, 200, 25 series motors, I believe. I once hot-rodded a 250 and dreamed
of getting my hands on one of these. Since then I have chatted with Aussie
gearheads who have owned them and they seem to believe we aren't missing
anything. There may have been more potential but the actual performance
was much the same as the integral manifold head in stock form anyway.

Steve Best, Nova Scotia, sbest

glinx.com
6.9 litre diesel Ford van, full-time 4 wheel drive
"Hang on kids, we're going through..."
4 wheel drive van page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.glinx.com/users/sbest
Tire chains, camping gear, tools and first aid stuff too...

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:47:02 EST
From: SuperMagot
Subject: Re: Engine Wars - Clear the water

In a message dated 98-03-15 15:26:53 EST, you write:

Whoa, Chris!!! I think Mike is absolutely right. The point to keep in
mind
>is that GM bashing, engine debates, or whatever is an entertaining sport,
>not life and death. The problems crop up when people start to believe their
>own B.S. Any engine can be improved upon from its stock form. After all,
>Sleddog even admits to getting beat by an "M" block! Thanks Sleddog, that
>made my day! >>

Thank you. I wasn't trying to say that old trucks aren't fun, and that there
is no appeal. I just hate people to get caught up in their own beliefs, which
may not be based upon logic. I love old trucks, especially Ford ones. I
dont hate GM's or Dodges, I just like Fords alot more. I happen to like the
460 engine. I dont hate 351M's or C's or W's. My whole point is like what
you want, but dont spend so much time bashing what someone else likes because
its different. And I am not accusing anyone person of bashing, so please no
flames!

[Jump down from Soap Box]

Old Ford Lover (Trucks and Cars),
Mike

P.S. A good friend of mine just bought a new Dodge Full size with the V-10.
Beautiful truck. If I had $25,000 to throw around, I might buy one too.
But when we raced, my mild 460 stomped him bad. Newer is not necessarily
better, and bigger is not necessarily better. Its all a matter of
perspective. Course, when he told me the gas mileage he got, my smile faded a
little...:)

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:02:52 -0500
From: Brian
Subject: Re: Dreaded Driver Seat Problem -PLEASE RESPOND-

Go to the boneyard and get a new seat. They can be had for around
$50.00. It would cost you more to have someone repair it then it would
to replace it.

Brian

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:07:54 -0500
From: Brian
Subject: Re: IGNITION IGNORAMUS

I agree with Dana...Dura-spark is easy to install and can be done for
less than $100.00 for everything including a distributor. Any boneyard
will have the set up you need. I got mine from the boneyard for $40.00.
(included module & wire harness) I bought a rebuilt distributor for
$65.00 from the auto parts store. Had some trouble getting it to work at
first but that was due to a bad pick up in the distributor. Otherwise it
was a breeze to install and get working.

Brian

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:46:51 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: '66 was a dud

Well I took the '66 for a spin today. What a hack job. The guy has already
done a 460/C6 installation as well as a power steering swap but did a real
hack job on it. He never connected the guages, took the steering column
from who knows what but the steering wheel was sticking WAY back out into my
gut... the engine was a stock 460 but spray painted (with ZERO prep) blue.
Radiator was leaking. Brakes were dead. Engine had NO power may as well
have been a 4 cylinder. I would have preferred the truck *before* this guy
took his wrenches to it. The '66 isn't going to be in my parking lot guys.

I drove all over the place looking at other trucks and I must say that these
southern boys sure love their spray paint. Every Ford I stopped and looked
at had spray paint everywhere, again with zero prep. One guy had white
wagon wheels where the rust was showing through the paint, and the pain was
on the tires as well as the brake drums. Wonder what he's trying to cover
up with all that paint? Anyway I saw a lot of real hack work that would be
much harder to undo than restoring a bone stock truck that had been
abandoned in a field.

Just as I got back into town I found a 76 F150 that actually looked pretty
good. The sign on the window said it's got a 390 V8 with automatic, new
radiator, and new master cylinder. The inspection was recent. It had a
cheesey camper shell on the back but this is easily removed. The bed was
scuffed up but otherwise pretty cancer-free. The truck looks well worn but
also well cared for. I tried calling but he wasn't around, may hear back
soon. 76 is much newer than I wanted but it's a pretty straight truck and
looks a lot better than all the other *junk* that I've seen in the last
several weeks.

I know this last truck is too new to be on topic, but it is an interesting
hot rod of a truck and I thought I'd share anyway. A widow is getting rid
of her deceased husband's 1988 Ford Ranger that has a 302 and AOD tranny out
of a cop car with an 8.8" rear out of a late model mustang. This truck
sounds like it's got a lot going for it and for only $1,500. It's over 2
hours drive though and it's getting late here so I'll try again next
weekend.

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:49:39 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: 66 is still a dud

Forgot something (duh) the frame was shot on the 66. Probably THE biggest
reason I passed it up. But there are so many other reason that I won't bore
you with. The frame was enough for me. The thing would fold up while going
over hills where the middle would buckle upwards... hard to explain but I
think you can picture it if you imagine the joint between the cab and bed as
more of a hinge. Yeah, that bad.

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:51:19 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: IGNITION IGNORAMUS

>I vote for the ford duraspark. no mater where you are you can always get
>replacement parts.

Just keep in mind if you go the Duraspark route, always keep a spare module
under the seat. I went to an MSD on another truck because of the poor
reliability of the Duraspark modules.

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:58:06 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: Engine Wars

>Believe it or not, I do have a tremendous fondness of "certain" GM engines
>and vehicles.

Oh, I do, too. I just hate seeing Brand X engines in Ford cars/trucks.
When I was making my rounds today I passed a place I never saw before, and
this guy had a big garage out back with a 1948(?) GMC pickup that was
halfway done getting sprayed (GORGEOUS), a trio of Chevy panel wagons (one
of which looked like it was almost done so I pulled over and BS'd with the
guy for awhile). Turns out that underneath it's got coil springs on all
four corners now, set up for chevy 350 (of course) and almost all the body
work was done and primered. Interior still needed lots of attention but
basically it was a driver at this point. I can appreciate a good looking
truck and hard work when I see it. It just seems like putting a pig heart
into a sick person when there are plenty of compatible human hearts
available.

And beleive it or not, before I had my 1996 Mustang I was driving a 1995
Dodge Ram V10. Peice of crap, but I liked it enough to buy it (and then
did I ever learn my lesson about buying Chrylser products...). I haven't
had a similar experience with GM's yet but the two bowties I did own were
definitely not of the same fit & finish as the competing Ford models.

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:05:07 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: gas prices

i got gas in south jersey on wed for 93 cents a gal. here in the poconos
where i live, it is still $1.20 for the cheepest. prices here never drop
when the rest of the country drops. :(

sleddog

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Sent: Sunday, March 15, 1998 2:08 PM
To: fordtrucks61-79

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Subject: Re: Matched set of Lincolns

(A note for
you guys up on the East coast...Yesteday, I bought gas here in
Shreveport, Regular Unleaded at 98.9 cents per gallon from Mobil.)

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:19:30 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Engine Wars

then there is that pesky mopar 340 of my cousin's that keeps everyone
thinking it's a big block turnin' 8500, and that chebby 350 (most likely
400+) with the nitrous (CHEATER!! CHEATER!! CHEATER!! CHEATER!!) that
shamelessly runs and all those really big (over 500 cid) fords and bowties
that i just can't catch...

not this year, if the axles, diffs, u-joints etc, can take it my new 521
will be givin the crowd something to really scream for! no more gettin'
beat by my girlfreind running my dudge v10 on the traction tracks...

sleddog

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From: Dale and Donna Carmine[SMTP:dcarmine

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Sent: Sunday, March 15, 1998 12:15 PM
To: Ford Trucks
Subject: Re: Engine Wars

Whoa, Chris!!! I think Mike is absolutely right. The point to keep in
mind
is that GM bashing, engine debates, or whatever is an entertaining sport,
not life and death. The problems crop up when people start to believe
their
own B.S. Any engine can be improved upon from its stock form. After all,
Sleddog even admits to getting beat by an "M" block! Thanks Sleddog, that
made my day!

Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:35:33 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: gas prices

Sleddog:

At least you don't live, and I use that term loosely, and expose your Ford
Trucks to the
pollution of, say, Elizabeth, New Jersey. You only have to put up with
them coming to
visit the Poconos!

Mike

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:45:17 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: RE: gas prices

At 07:05 PM 3/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>i got gas in south jersey on wed for 93 cents a gal. here in the poconos
>where i live, it is still $1.20 for the cheepest. prices here never drop
>when the rest of the country drops. :(
>
>sleddog

Atlanta: $0.79 for 87 octane

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:40:32 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: gas prices

>i got gas in south jersey on wed for 93 cents a gal. here in the poconos
>where i live, it is still $1.20 for the cheepest. prices here never drop
>when the rest of the country drops. :(

Y'all are getting gouged. Here in North Carolina most places seem to have
cheap stuff for about 89 cents now.

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:51:07 -0500
From: FORD-TRUCK-70

webtv.net (RANDY D)
Subject: Re: gas prices

Wv $1.04 87 oct.
RANDY

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:58:18 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Web site updates

Pictures added to pictorial in the 50-60, 67-72, 73-79,
87-96 and 97+ sections.

January and February archives are now on line. Zip format,
maximum compression, long file names (Windows 3.x users will
need a zip util or filename util that supports long names).

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:55:38 -0600
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: gas prices

San Antonio: $.95 for 87 octane and $1.15 for 93 octane

Mike

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:01:43 EST
From: A64F100
Subject: Re: gas prices

In a message dated 98-03-15 19:25:29 EST, you write:

i got gas in south jersey on wed for 93 cents a gal. here in the poconos
where i live, it is still $1.20 for the cheepest. prices here never drop
when the rest of the country drops. :(
>>
Gas out here in So. CAL. was 0.97 near my house, but It went up to 0.99 again.
:(
I've heard it being like 0.92 down in L.A. It'd be nice if the prices keep
droping...

Later,
Scott L

*Keep It Ford Blue*

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:18:22 -0400
From: sbest
Subject: Engine Wars - some basics

>I have seen alot of posts about such and such engine being better than
>another.
>
>Well I have a few points too make:
>
>Physics does not care about brand names. It doesnot care about personal
>feelings, and it doesnot care about what someone might think.
>
>All engines essentially do the same thing. They pump air. Bigger engines in
>general, pump more air. More efficent engines pump more air. More air = more
>power. Some engines are built sturdier than others, and others are built to
>rev higher.
>
>The best thing you can do, is think about what you want, before you buy it or
>start modifiying it. The next thing you do is apply some common sense and do
>some research.
>
>I just hate to see people either bashing or putting certain engines on
>pedastals.
>Besides, given enough money and time, a person can make any engine outperform
>any other engine in any given class...
>
>And keep in mind, they are just chunks of metal with some moving parts.
>and may the best chunk of metal win...
>
>- - Mike

Jeeze Mike, I hate to start a row, but all motors are as different as
snowflakes. And they have personalities too. Compare the big lug of a
400M to a high singing 289 4v, like apples and oranges. Cummins diesel
to Powerstroke, they are as different as night and day and always will be.

Even with the same dimensions, 352, 351C, 351M, and 351W, all are very
different and cannot easily be made to perform as the others. Why, the
351C 2V and 351M share the same head and most every dimension but deck
height and yet don't compare in performance. Much the same could be said
of 427, 428, and 429. Or 300 and 302, or 221 and flathead.

I kind of like hearing the bashing and bitchin', and I like hearing
the stories of guys who go against the flow. The first guys who started
putting 400 cranks in Windsors or the old "Y" block crank in a 302.
When everyone was looking for Cleveland 4v heads to drill out and clone
into homemade Boss 302s some genius figured a 2v head made more sense.
How about that Cleveland on a 300 thread? Wow.

Anybody got some engine stories to flog, I'm all ears.

Steve Best, Nova Scotia, sbest

pacbell.net
Subject: Re: gas prices

Engine wars was bad enough but GAS PRICE WARS Now I know we all need a hobby!!!!

Dana

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:48:08 -0800
From: Carey & Norm
Subject: Re: '65 Ford engine buildup

Hi guys... In February I wrote in inquiring about a 390 buildup in a
'65 F-250. Thanks to all who responded; I've been researching ever
since and am pretty sure where I'm going now. Project starts in a
couple months. Need to pull a little overtime first. Thanks again!!

Now for some input... I notice in the posts some are buying mid-sixties
Ford pickups. There is an article in the Apr. '98 issue of Petersen's
Custom Classic Trucks intitled "What's Your Truck Worth?". It gives
estimates on old "big three" makes of pickups of various years and lists
sums for Project Trucks, Drivers, and Show Trucks. I thought it was an
interesting article. Also, and this one I personally found useful,
there is an article that takes you step by step through the installation
of a new headliner for a '65 Ford pickup. The headliner they got from
Mac's. Mac's catalog is free; I e-mailed for one. For all those who
are interested...

Norm

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:13:32 -0500
From: DC Beatty
Subject: mystery oil plug

Hey FE guys. I tore my 390 down to the long block this weekend and there
was a small oil plug that was down in the oil pan. It's roughly 5/16" or
3/8" in diameter and is similar to the ones that push in at the rear of t=
he
block on top of the oil passage hump--though these two plugs are still in=

place. =

In the front of the block behind the cam timing gear there is what looks =
to
be an oil pressure relief valve. I was wondering if non-HP FE blocks had =
a
pressure relief valve in the front of the motor. I couldn't find any
reference to it in the Pat Ganahl book (this just mentions the one at the=

back of the block on side oilers). Is there an oil pressure relief valve =
on
the front of these blocks and could this be where the mystery plug is
supposed to be? =

Thanks for any help. It's little things like this that drive me nuts!!! =

Drew Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:24:33 -0500
From: pickup65

juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: Today, not quite the day!

Question: When is a 1964 F350 not a 1964 F350?

Answer: When it is actually a 1964 F500!!!!!!

What did I learn: Before driving Five hours to buy a truck make sure the
seller gives you the vin number to decode first..

Imagine my joyous facial expression turning to horror when I approach my
prize and realize, "That is not an F350!" The response from the seller
was classic, "The guy I got it from said it was an F350." I open the
driver door to revel the data plate and there in all it's embossed glory
were the words I sought, "Model F500." "Well what do you know" was the
response.

Actually all was not lost. The truck is complete (minus bed) and in good
shape. I may still buy it to use around my wife's uncle's farm. The guy
really felt bad about the whole thing plus he wants to get rid of it so
he cut the price to only $250.00. If I do get it I will need to trailer
it home since that thing is larger and heavier than what I planned for.

Moral of the story: When handed lemons, make lemon aid.

Chris, $1200.00 is not too much if the truck is in good shape and runs
well. I paid $975.00 for mine from a used car lot in Durham. It ran
poorly and needed work but it had three things going for it that made it
worth the money to me.

1. Nearly rust free body.
2. Flair Side (step side) bed.
3. Originally owned by the US Government (possibly the Air Force.)

Remember. If the truck good condition it means you have to put less work
and money in it in the long run.

Keep us posted.

Jon E. Purut
Pickup65

juno.com
JCPurut

worldnet.att.net
Web Site Under Construction

1964 F500 (maybe)
1965 F100 SWB Daily Driver
1965 F100
1977 F150
1970 Mustang Fastback
1993 Escort Wagon (wife's car)

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:33:58 -0800
From: Alan Mittelstaedt / Chad Dailey
Subject: ARRGH! FTV2 #151

> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:16:54 -0600 (CST)
> From: Stu Varner
> Subject: Re: AARRGH! and intro

..snip..

> I have been thinking
> about a 350 GM engine in my old 71 F-100 for the resto..............

Boy! I bet old Henry is rolling in his grave about now... ;-P

Chad

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:27:17 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: IGNITION IGNORAMUS

> Does
>anyone on the list have any experience with the following products on a
>FE series engine?
>
>1) Crane XR700 or XR3000 Points Conversion Ignitions
>
>2) MSD 6 series ignition control
>
>3) Holley HP Annihilator Ignition
>
>4) Pertronix Ignitor points-to-electronic conversion
>
>5) Jacobs Electronics components
>
>6) Ford's DuraSpark system

The stock DuraSpark setup from a '75-'76 FE works quite well and it's
inexpensive. You can buy a rebuilt FE D-spark distributor for under $50
plus a $20 core charge. The spark boxes can be had by the dozens at the
wreckers or get new from the parts store.
It's all cheap, reliable and available.

I use a '75 DuraSpark distributor with an MSD6A in My FE390 and like it
real well. The MSD definately helped low speed throttle response and made
my 390 idle much smoother when it's cold.
The D-spark pickup coil drives the MSD quite nicely and my Sun tach works
just fine with the MSD. I know others have had problems with the
MSD/Sun tach combination...

Happy motoring,

Steve

Opportunity may knock only once,
but temptation leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:27:20 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand

>>>
>>I forget the number but it's the one for police mustangs and lightnings
>>with oil coolers........George
>
>I'm running this filter arrangement. You cannot use a PH8A. It
>will not fit! And if you could get it in, one good stomp on the
>gas would cause the engine torque to crush it. I use a FL300.
>Its the same sized fitting and just as wide but about an inch shorter.
>It gives about 1" cross-member clearance. I've had no problems
>with oil pressure with this arrangement.
>
>Ken

I've got that filter adapter with a PH8A on my '71 F100 !?!?
There's not a lot of room to spare, but there's enough to get the filter
on and about 3/8" clearance to the Xmember once it's on...
I wonder what's different?

Whazzup with that Ken?

Steve

Opportunity may knock only once,
but temptation leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:27:23 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re:Dreaded Driver Seat Problem -PLEASE RESPOND-

>I have a 1976 Ford Highboy(Please no more arguments on what it means...) and
>the driver side of the bench seat is really saggy, the springs are dead I
>think, not much "bounce " in them any more. Is there anything I can do to
>fix the problem without spending to much money? Please help me.

The drivers side of the bench seat in my '71 was totally thrashed.
A big hunk of the seat cover was missing, a bunch of the foam was missing,
and the springs were real dead and broke down.
It was real bad and very uncomfortable.
I took a bunch of baling wire and carefully wired all the broken springs
back in position as best as I could. Put lots of wraps of wire around them
as it's under a lot of force when Your butt gets bouncing up and down on
a bumpy road... (well, at least it's under a lot of force with my butt)
Once the springs and framework were wired up as best as possible I took
a nice heavy burlap sack and stretched it tight over the framework in the
damaged area and tied it in with wire. Then I cut some sheets of 1" high
density foam rubber and stacked them until the "hole" in the seat was padded
back up to the right level. Once that was done, I pulled the remains of the
stock cover back over the mess and cleaned it good with alcohol and then
duct taped over the missing seat cover area until it was thoroughly "repaired"
All this I covered up with one of those $30 truck "saddle blankets"...

This was a makeshift repair I did almost 2 years ago, and it's held up
fine so far. It's comfortable, looks fine and didn't cost much money...

>*P.S. I have sent this message three times and havn't gotten a response! I
>would really like to solve this problem. Please respond.

Yeah well, mine was a total "baling wire and duct tape" repair and altho
it worked great I'm not real proud of it. Now You've made me go and tell....

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