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fordtrucks61-79-digest Sunday, March 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 151



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In this issue:

Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand [George Herpich
'66 Ford F100 - possible purchase this/next week [John Strauss
IGNITION IGNORAMUS [Sean Christian Hess ]
Re: 427 oil filter adapter and filter applications [BULL229
Re: Large Passageways in Oil Filter Adapter [Marv Miller ]
Re: Shorter Oil Filters [Marv Miller ]
Re: 351C & Pantera [JRFiero ]
Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand [Ken Payne
Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand [sdelanty ]
Dreaded Driver Seat Problem -PLEASE RESPOND- ["Terry Sherman"
Re: Engine Wars ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: 351's [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:__AARRGH!=A0_?= ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
Re: AARRGH! and intro [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: IGNITION IGNORAMUS [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Dreaded Driver Seat Problem -PLEASE RESPOND- [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Intro [sdelanty ]
Re: IGNITION IGNORAMUS [marko ]
Re: AARRGH! and intro [marko ]
Re: Intro ["Bill Beyer" ]
Re: Matched set of Lincolns ["Dennis K. Austin" ]
Re: Intro [Stu Varner ]
Re: AARRGH! and intro [Stu Varner ]
Re: Engine Wars [Stu Varner ]
Re: AARRGH! and intro [Stu Varner ]
Re: AARRGH! [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: AARRGH! and intro [danadeb pacbell.net]
Truck and Hog Farm ready! ["Deacon" ]
Re: Engine Wars - some basics [SuperMagot ]
Re: 360 and 460 swap [sbest ]
Re: Is the 352 worth keeping??? [sbest ]

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 06:12:36 -0500
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand

marko wrote:
>
> >Good tip. I don't know if you can still get them or if they'll work in a
> >truck but the 427 oil filter adapter has much larger passages and is a
> >good match for the enlarged passage Marv spoke of. I just bought one
> >a few years ago from Ford. 428cj uses it too, I think.
> > George
>
> Ganahl's book talks about this stuff in detail. I think he says the 428
> style, down-pointing filter is the stock replacement part from Ford, but who
> knows if they still sell it.
>
> If you use it on a 67-72 2wd, though, be aware that with the standard PH8A
> oil filter there is not enough clearance for the filter to the crossmember
> under the engine.
>
> Apparently shorter oil filters are available to get around this problem, but
> I don't know what number they are.
>
I forget the number but it's the one for police mustangs and lightnings
with oil coolers........George

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:22:43 -0600 (CST)
From: John Strauss
Subject: '66 Ford F100 - possible purchase this/next week

>According to my '66 sales brochure, the two engines available in the
>F-100/F-150/F-250 were the 300ci six and the 352ci. The brochure doesn't
>mention any other engine option. My '66 F-250 has been fairly trouble-
>free until recently it has developed something the old timers call
>"morning sickness" (the transmission is a little balky in the morning
>- - doesn't shift into third gear until it covers about three miles or so
>and won't go into reverse until it's warmed up also). My understanding
>is that the O rings in the trans have turned to bakelite and don't allow
>things to move smoothly until warmed up. I added some big radial tires
>and it rides nicely too! Now I just need some time to swap in my new
>390 and get the trans rebuilt......
>
I believe that the 240 Six was the standard engine for that year, VIN code "A".

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 07:37:31 -0800
From: Sean Christian Hess
Subject: IGNITION IGNORAMUS

Hey y'all,

Some time ago, I wrote about the WICKED HESITATION problem with my '69
Ford F250 390. I read with interest all of the posts about others
having similar problems on cold mornings. Since I live in SoCal, cold
was not the problem. Someone, I forget who, suggested that I might have
problems with the vacuum advance, and they were right.

Since the vacuum advance has gone belly up, I've been thinking about
replacing my distributor with a non-mechanical, electronic ignition set
up. Some of the systems that I've been researching are more expensive
than others, I'd like to know how to spend my dollars wisely. Does
anyone on the list have any experience with the following products on a
FE series engine?

1) Crane XR700 or XR3000 Points Conversion Ignitions

2) MSD 6 series ignition control

3) Holley HP Annihilator Ignition

4) Pertronix Ignitor points-to-electronic conversion

5) Jacobs Electronics components

6) Ford's DuraSpark system

Forrest New has already sent me a strong recommendation for the Jacobs
Electronics system, but as far as I can tell, I would still have to buy
something else to replace the points in my distributor.

Thanks in advance for any words of advice.

Sean Hess, Ph.D.
Husband
Father
Archaeologist
Mechanic Wannabe

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:57:05 EST
From: BULL229
Subject: Re: 427 oil filter adapter and filter applications

Marco was talking about the larger passages in the 427 oil filter adapter,
Ganahl was right about the passages, and as of 2 years ago, Ford still sold
the adapter, matter of fact, its the only one they sell now for FE's. As far
as a shorter filter, a Dodge 318 filter is the same thread and gasket and can
be interchanged if clearance is a problem, but I wouldn't expect it to be -
Ross

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:00:10 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: Re: Large Passageways in Oil Filter Adapter

George Herpich wrote:
Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand

I don't know if you can still get them or if they'll work in a
> truck but the 427 oil filter adapter has much larger passages and is a
> good match for the enlarged passage Marv spoke of. I just bought one
> a few years ago from Ford. 428cj uses it too, I think.

I didn't know they existed when I went through the 390 a couple of years
ago (for the second time since 1970), and simply (carefully) ran a 1/2
inch drill through those passageways, too. Opening these up gives you
about 75 percent greater flow capacity. Could save your bottom end if
you're twisting the motor real tight.

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:11:48 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: Re: Shorter Oil Filters

marko wrote:
Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand

> Apparently shorter oil filters are available to get around this problem, but I don't know what number they are.

PH-43 is a little shorter, PH16 is even more so.

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:12:49 EST
From: JRFiero
Subject: Re: 351C & Pantera

In a message dated 98-03-13 17:40:31 EST, you write:


thought it was 68? Remember any head swapping between the 335 and
small block engines would require water jacket mods.>>

with a 302. No 351 until the '70 when the name was changed to Pantera.
You guys got me to do a little digging to come up with that.
>>

Mangustas and Panteras are different cars, not only different names.
There's a DeThomaso USA website, http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.detomasousa.com/ with the details
- - they list the first Pantera model year as 1971.
A rich kid in my undergraduate days 69-73) had two - one stock, one
modified. With either one he could go out on the old runways around the
school and just embarrass the local Corvette guys. Always had a certain
fondness for them after that.

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:35:53 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand

At 06:12 AM 3/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>marko wrote:
>>
>> >Good tip. I don't know if you can still get them or if they'll work in a
>> >truck but the 427 oil filter adapter has much larger passages and is a
>> >good match for the enlarged passage Marv spoke of. I just bought one
>> >a few years ago from Ford. 428cj uses it too, I think.
>> > George
>>
>> Ganahl's book talks about this stuff in detail. I think he says the 428
>> style, down-pointing filter is the stock replacement part from Ford, but who
>> knows if they still sell it.
>>
>> If you use it on a 67-72 2wd, though, be aware that with the standard PH8A
>> oil filter there is not enough clearance for the filter to the crossmember
>> under the engine.
>>
>> Apparently shorter oil filters are available to get around this problem, but
>> I don't know what number they are.
>>
>I forget the number but it's the one for police mustangs and lightnings
>with oil coolers........George

I'm running this filter arrangement. You cannot use a PH8A. It
will not fit! And if you could get it in, one good stomp on the
gas would cause the engine torque to crush it. I use a FL300.
Its the same sized fitting and just as wide but about an inch shorter.
It gives about 1" cross-member clearance. I've had no problems
with oil pressure with this arrangement.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:58:51 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: Reliability Tricks While On the Stand

>>Good tip. I don't know if you can still get them or if they'll work in a
>>truck but the 427 oil filter adapter has much larger passages and is a
>>good match for the enlarged passage Marv spoke of. I just bought one
>>a few years ago from Ford. 428cj uses it too, I think.
>> George
>
>Ganahl's book talks about this stuff in detail. I think he says the 428
>style, down-pointing filter is the stock replacement part from Ford, but who
>knows if they still sell it.
>

Some FE352's used it also. Watch Your wrecking yards.
I have one of these filter adapters on my truck. It has the larger
oil passages and the filter points straight down.
Mine came off a '62 FE352.

The numbers are kinda hard to read cuz the fuel pump's in the way, but
it looks like it's either C0AE 6884 A or maybe 6881 A.
Keep Your eyes on those old FE352's maybe You'll run across one of these
adapters.

>If you use it on a 67-72 2wd, though, be aware that with the standard PH8A
>oil filter there is not enough clearance for the filter to the crossmember
>under the engine.

Mine fits my '71 just fine. There's about 3/16" of clearance to the Xmember
when You start the filter on the threads. I use a PH8A.
Maybe some day when the motor mounts are really old and squished down I
won't be able to change it anymore but right now it works great.

One of the things I like best about this adapter is that since it points
straight down, You can fill the filter with oil before You install it after
an oil change. Sideways filters give me the creeps cuz after a filter change
You've got to pump 3/4 of a quart of air thru the bearings before You get
any oil pressure up. Not nice...

>Apparently shorter oil filters are available to get around this problem, but
>I don't know what number they are.

I used to have a list of "alternate" filters that would fit a Ford, but
that was long ago. There was 4 or more shorter ones available.
I know that one of the good ones fit an older toyota, and was an inch or
so shorter than PH8A. I think the number may have been PH2650, but my
brain is too old to be sure.
Check the filter applications book at Your local parts house...

Happy motoring,

Steve

"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be
seriously considered as a means of communication.
The device is inherently of no value to us."
-- Western Union internal memo, 1876

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:10:19 -0600
From: "Terry Sherman"
Subject: Dreaded Driver Seat Problem -PLEASE RESPOND-

I have a 1976 Ford Highboy(Please no more arguments on what it means...) and
the driver side of the bench seat is really saggy, the springs are dead I
think, not much "bounce " in them any more. Is there anything I can do to
fix the problem without spending to much money? Please help me. If possible
please respond to terbear discover-net.net
*P.S. I have sent this message three times and havn't gotten a response! I
would really like to solve this problem. Please respond.

Thank you,
Terry Sherman
'76 Ford Highboy...
'84 Ford Bronco II

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:15:14 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: Engine Wars

Mike said;
>[snip a bunch]
>>And keep in mind, they are just chunks of metal with some moving parts.
>>and may the best chunk of metal win...
>
Chris said:
>
>If this is how you really feel, why are you into old trucks at all?

Whoa, Chris!!! I think Mike is absolutely right. The point to keep in mind
is that GM bashing, engine debates, or whatever is an entertaining sport,
not life and death. The problems crop up when people start to believe their
own B.S. Any engine can be improved upon from its stock form. After all,
Sleddog even admits to getting beat by an "M" block! Thanks Sleddog, that
made my day!

Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M
York, Nebraska

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:38:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: 351's

- -> Crank breakage isn't the problem. It's bearing speed due to the
- -> overly large main
- -> journals. That's why you can't spin them as high as a C.

Sure, whatever you say. Far be it from me to spread enlightenment.


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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:41:42 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:__AARRGH!=A0_?=

>Tip for the day: NEVER remove a stuck steering wheel by pulling as hard as
>you can towards you, or you will end up with a bloody nose!

>I've carried a scar for twenty years learning that same lesson! :)


Well guys, I feel better knowing that I'm not the only one who does stupid
things. :-)

Saturday a.m. - removed old hail dented hood from my '79 f-150. Left tools
and hardware setting on the rear bumper of the wife's '87 Olds, because it
was convenient and it was "right there". Got distracted, "Oh, I'll get the
new hood on later this afternoon".

Saturday p.m. - Can't find the ratchet, extension, socket, and half the
hardware for my hood. Start to swear under my breath at those d*mn kids who
have been messing with my tools again! Find out the wife took her car to
the grocery store while I was out. Now who's the idiot? Loss......tools,
hardware, and pride. What is most amazing is that half the hardware
actually rode across town and back and stayed on the bumper!

Have a great day Truck Fans!
dale c

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:55:55 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: AARRGH! and intro

marko wrote:
>

>
> Tip for the day: NEVER remove a stuck steering wheel by pulling as hard as
> you can towards you, or you will end up with a bloody nose! Do NOT ask me
> how I know!
>


I gave myself a black eye pulling a wrench towards myself under my 56 once!!

Dana

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:06:56 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: IGNITION IGNORAMUS

I vote for the ford duraspark. no mater where you are you can always get
replacement parts.

There is at least one called a Stinger Ignighter ( or something like that ) that
is a direct replacement for the points and can be replaced at a moments notice
have never used it but it would be easier then duraspark.

I had an MSD system once didn't notice any improvements and it made my Sun tach
read incorrectly.

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:10:40 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Dreaded Driver Seat Problem -PLEASE RESPOND-

Go to a pick-your-part wrecking yard and pull some springs from the center of a
few seats and install them in your old seat maybe even yes more then the stock
seat had.

Dana

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:30:57 -0800
From: sdelanty
Subject: Re: Intro

>Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:04:45 -0800
>From: "Deacon"
>Subject: Re: Intro

> This is a corner? Thank God, I thought it was my eyes playin'
>tricks! I hope it's a stool, but it could explain this grin if it isn't!

>>Hi Steve D. (briefly looks up from computer, hey), Don, we
>>must be neighbors
>
> Don's alright but hooking up with Delanty your in trouble. His tatoo
>of Timothy Leary is a dead give away to the path he'll take you down! :)

Hey c'mon Deacon, I thought the tattoo was supposed to be a secret just
between You and me!
And the tat isn't T. Leary, it's Hoffman. He was da man!
But thanks for not telling what part of my body it's on...

So Deacon, You've been pretty quiet about Your truck lately... Is it
gonna be reliable enough for You to drive up here for a visit this
summer? The Hog Farm is calling! I think when You come up we need to
get all the other North Ca. Fordtruck guys together for a day so We can
taunt You in person..
I don't wanna hear any excuses that Your truck wont make it, so You
better get outside and get workin on it!

Pat again:
>>Previous truck was a '68 F-100 ranger, 390/C6, loved that truck
>>but it just didn't do well with a cabover camper, wife, two kids, weeks
>>worth of food and favorite adult beverages aboard.

>That's it. You've got Steve thanking Pagan gods for you! ;]

Yup. There's not many things I love more than an FE powered Ford truck
loaded down with camping gear and adult beverages!
Souns like a recipe for good times to me!

>Good to have you Pat.
>Later!

Ditto! We love fresh meat...

Happy motoring,

Steve

"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be
seriously considered as a means of communication.
The device is inherently of no value to us."
-- Western Union internal memo, 1876

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:41:50 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: IGNITION IGNORAMUS

At 07:37 AM 3/15/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Hey y'all,
>

A number of us on the list have converted our FE's to electronic. You buy a
reubuilt duraspark distributor for your engine from your parts store (I
prefer Autoline to Arrow) and buy an ignition box.

Get a suitable harness (box to distributor, box to firewall, coil connector)
from the wrecker out of any old ford thing (cougar, ltd, whatever) of the
late 70's.

Wire it up and you're home free.

I can help you with the color codes if you want.


marko helix.net

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:48:32 -0800
From: marko
Subject: Re: AARRGH! and intro

At 12:18 AM 3/15/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>Tip for the day: NEVER remove a stuck steering wheel by pulling as
>hard as
>>you can towards you, or you will end up with a bloody nose! Do NOT ask
>me
>>how I know!
>>
>>
>>marko in vancouver
>
>I've carried a scar for twenty years learning that same lesson! :)
>
>
>Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net

Just think: If I'd held my head any higher I would have had an 'enlarged
intake gallery' on my milk filter, all without using a drill.

Okay all you guys, just position your engine stand in the driver's seat, and
have the engine pull the steering wheel REAL HARD towards the spot where the
oil filter bolts on...


marko (formerly :-], now 8^])

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:04:11 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: Intro

- ----------
> From: sdelanty
> To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Intro
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 10:30 AM
>
> Hey c'mon Deacon, I thought the tattoo was supposed to be a secret just
> between You and me!
> And the tat isn't T. Leary, it's Hoffman. He was da man!

Abbey or Dustin?

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:08:20 -0600
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: Re: Matched set of Lincolns

Sorry George..
Checked with my old man. He says that Towncar was one half of a matched
set that was special ordered and a Special Edition at that. He had a
Mark and a Towncar ordered to match. His Lincolns were Special Edition
Cartiers He still had his '59 Bentley show car at that time.
(This was the period where Lincoln offered about 5 different special
order cars based on some special designers names. These particular cars
came in a soft grey non-metallic paint with red pin strips and grey
matching interior. He mentioned the special door molding was at that
time $100.00 per foot too.(Somebody swiped a section of it off the
Towncar.)

He was offered the 477, in that car, so he ordered it. (and I remember
the breather with the label that stated so). I think my neighbor (who
owned Hurricane Engines, an engine rebuilder) had the 512 or bigger in
his Caddy.

I also, remember cleaning up the mess under the Towncar hood when the
battery exploded one day. My father did say that car would hold 55
gallons of gas. A real killer for these days. I was pumping gas
into my '58 Fairlane 500 at 48 cents per gallon back then. (A note for
you guys up on the East coast...Yesteday, I bought gas here in
Shreveport, Regular Unleaded at 98.9 cents per gallon from Mobil.)

And to quote someone else on this post. There were a lot of thing Ford
did, but not officially. So, Ford/Lincoln historians could there have
been a special order 460 bored to 477, sometime in the '75-'76 year?

- -=DENNIS=-

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:11:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: Intro

A
>>Mushroom clouds on the horizon - Ahh,
>>somebody drove a Che** by Stu's house.
>
> Stu has life wiped. He's a school teacher. Everyone sees him at his
>computer all day long and think he's working. He starts the kids with
>C's and D's and gives them A's and B's at the end of the year. Then he
>tells everyone how all the work he did was worth it, just to see the
>overall improvement in the kids!
> There is no truth to the rumor his hatred for GM was the result of
>having a Vaga for a first car and was teased relentlessly by the other
>kids. No truth to it at all! :)
>

NO Deacon, It was an 82 Olds Delta 88 that I put 3 count them, three
trannies in in a matter of months! It was a hand me down, what can I say!

Stu
Go Green Peace! or is that Green Peas??

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:16:54 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: AARRGH! and intro

At 12:18 AM 3/15/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>Tip for the day: NEVER remove a stuck steering wheel by pulling as
>hard as
>>you can towards you, or you will end up with a bloody nose! Do NOT ask
>me
>>how I know!
>>
>>
>>marko in vancouver
>
>I've carried a scar for twenty years learning that same lesson! :)
>+
Yo Marko -
Don't they make steering wheel pullers?? In case you haven't figured it
out yet, I am
letting you make all the mistakes and get all the bloody noses first before
I do it.
Thanks so very much for the help!

STU

I love green peace! Born again Anti Nuke activitist! I have been thinking
about a 350 GM engine in my old 71 F-100 for the resto..............

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:26:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: Engine Wars

At 11:15 AM 3/15/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Mike said;
>>[snip a bunch]
>>>And keep in mind, they are just chunks of metal with some moving parts.
>>>and may the best chunk of metal win...
>>
>Chris said:
>>
>>If this is how you really feel, why are you into old trucks at all?
>
>Whoa, Chris!!! I think Mike is absolutely right. The point to keep in mind
>is that GM bashing, engine debates, or whatever is an entertaining sport,
>not life and death. The problems crop up when people start to believe their
>own B.S. Any engine can be improved upon from its stock form. After all,
>Sleddog even admits to getting beat by an "M" block! Thanks Sleddog, that
>made my day!
>
Fellas,
Believe it or not, I do have a tremendous fondness of "certain" GM engines
and vehicles.
There I said it! Boy, do I ever feel better. My therapists has been
telling me to get this off my chest! Gald I did!

But when you have some family memebers who are/were FoMoCo employees and and
one that owned a dealership, you tend to get brand loyal especially when you
have one (3 transmissions) lone terrible experience with an 82 Olds Delta 88!!

I love the FE's, in fact all Ford engines. Peroid. The FE's hold certain
nostalgia from my youth. Some of you may remember such an engine in your
past. There are a few women that do the same thing ! I poke in good fun
when I say, NUKE GM!
No PCV wars here! PLease I beg of you!

Stu
Reformed GM hater and member of Green Peace!

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:31:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: AARRGH! and intro

>Just think: If I'd held my head any higher I would have had an 'enlarged
>intake gallery' on my milk filter, all without using a drill.
>
>Okay all you guys, just position your engine stand in the driver's seat, and
>have the engine pull the steering wheel REAL HARD towards the spot where the
>oil filter bolts on...
>
>
>marko (formerly :-], now 8^])

Yo Marko,
The "almost lost eye incident" of a few weeks ago you were wondering
bout. It was a screw driver that went catapulting out of my hand while
removing trim......came dang near loosing that right eye! I am sure happy
to know I ain't the only one who does stooppid stuff!

STU
(just plain ole' STU, no weapons)

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:40:21 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: AARRGH!

Dale and Donna Carmine wrote:
>
> Now who's the idiot? Loss......tools,
> hardware, and pride. What is most amazing is that half the hardware
> actually rode across town and back and stayed on the bumper!
>
Did same thing with my wedding ring found it 6 hours later two blocks away.

Also had a watch ride in the door edge of a 67 dodge dart 300 miles then looked
out, rolled down the window picked it up and put it on.

Dana

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:43:56 -0800
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: AARRGH! and intro

Stu Varner wrote:
>
> I have been thinking
> about a 350 GM engine in my old 71 F-100 for the resto..............
>


Blasphemer! ;-)

Dana

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:19:01 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Truck and Hog Farm ready!

> So Deacon, You've been pretty quiet about Your truck lately... Is it
> gonna be reliable enough for You to drive up here for a visit this
> summer? The Hog Farm is calling! I think when You come up we need to
> get all the other North Ca. Fordtruck guys together for a day so We
can
> taunt You in person..
> I don't wanna hear any excuses that Your truck wont make it, so You
> better get outside and get workin on it!

My truck is ready now that I put new wheels and tires on it. Maybe
we can talk some Southern Cal. members to join in the Hog Farm fun!
Nothing more fun than that old time Rock n Roll and Ford truck people
getting together to destroy some brain cells!
Taunt me? Bring 'em on. I love playin' the dozens! I don't wear
gloves and I don't play fair! ;]

Deacon Blues deconblu gte.net
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but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:38:29 EST
From: SuperMagot
Subject: Re: Engine Wars - some basics

In a message dated 98-03-14 22:42:41 EST, you write:


Wouldn't it be more logical for you to buy a new truck with a OHC engine
that pumps more air with less cubes? I think that when you talk about
hobbies like this, or affinities for old trucks as daily drivers, logic
takes a back seat to appeal. >>

Who says you cant have both? Why cant I have the appeal of an old Ford PU with
a hi-tech power plant? Besides, a new truck of any worth is gonna run me
close to $20,000. I got my 70 F-100 460 C-6 put together for under $4000
total. Nothing more logical than that...

- - Mike

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:53:23 -0400
From: sbest
Subject: Re: 360 and 460 swap

>Anybody HELP!! I just found a dream deal. While checking out one of the
>local bone yard. I found a 79 LINCOLN which was driven off of the tow truck.
>I thought it was coasting but the driver said it was and it was. I bought it
>on the spot. Now will the 460 fit right into my 71 f-350 and bolt onto my
>NP435? If so I'm going to put my 360 into the LINCOLN. BTW it is in
>vurtually >mint condition.


It is nowhere near a "fit right into" swap. Mounts, bellhousing and much
else is different.


Steve Best, Nova Scotia, sbest glinx.com
6.9 litre diesel Ford van, full-time 4 wheel drive
"Hang on kids, we're going through..."
4 wheel drive van page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.glinx.com/users/sbest
Tire chains, camping gear, tools and first aid stuff too...

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:53:29 -0400
From: sbest
Subject: Re: Is the 352 worth keeping???

>Is the 352 worth keeping??? Is this a really reliable engine? I noticed in
>Edelbrock's catalog that they show Performer manifold for all FE engines but
>Performer RPM was not listed for 352. Is this right? Are there some
>fundamental differences between a 352 and a 390 that would affect bolt-on
>parts? My line of thinking here if this is the case is just to nurse the
>thing along long enough to rebuild a 460 & C6, get a nice fat radiator, and
>swap it. If the 352 is really reliable though it might be worth keeping a
>little longer.

"Is the 352 worth keeping???" Absolutely! The 352 while not a mega-
powerhouse is a real strong low rpm motor well suited to higher gears like
3.08 and 3.25. It has no problem pushing a pick-up around, is very strong
and dependable and most were not that bad on fuel. In my opinion headers....


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